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Adjusted Affinities

I'm probably going to add these for all characters. Total affinity is already a stat but it doesn't always show the whole story since the more of an affinity you have, the less useful it is. For example, Reimu (with a total affinity of 660) actually has better overall affinities than Utsuho (who has a total of 846) because her affinities are distributed in a more balanced way. Formula for adjusted affinity is really simple, it's just:

13 - ((100/FIR)+(100/CLD)+(100/WND)+(100/NTR)+(100/MYS)+(100/SPI))

So Reimu's adjusted affinity total is 7.05 and Utsuho's is 5.65. Regarding rankings, the highest affinity character is Kaguya (9.06) and the lowest is Flandre (1.08), but the majority of characters have ranks around 5-8, so deciding rankings will be a little tricky.

I've decided to put the cutoffs at 8.73 (S), 8.22 (A), 7.61 (B), 7.29 (C), 6.86 (D), 5.76 (E), and 1.09 (F).

The character list in order is too big to post but if you want to see it, check here: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5049.msg280188#msg280188

I added the "13 -" at the start since I wanted a number that would grow higher the better your affinities were, and since it leaves the person with the worst affinities (Flandre) at a stat above 1. -- Fishin 01:37, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Damage Formulas

Should the damage formulas be evaluated? I think that the current display masks the effectiveness against varying defense. For example, Meiling's two attacks:

3 x ((ATK x 1.5) - (T.DEF / 2))
2 x ((ATK x 2.25) - (T.DEF / 4))

You can reduce these to

ATK x 4.5 - DEF x 1.5
ATK x 4.5 - DEF x 0.5

If you look at it this way instead, it is clear that Meiling's Brilliant Light Gem is strictly inferior to Mountain Breaker. The only way for the former attack to do more damage than the latter is if the target has low defense AND a SPI below 100. When I was playing the game, I simply always used MB over BLG because it always seemed to do more damage, and looking at the damage formula it's clear why.

Is there any advantage in having (up to) 3 multipliers for two stats instead of just the multipliers for the stats?

Also, another thing I've noticed. Many damage formula reference "ATT". Is that just a typo of "ATK" or what?

-- Qazmlpok 04:47, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure if it's the same z.z; I'd need to test it a bit more, but I'll look into it. I have a feeling you may be on to something, but... the order of that formula is probably that way for a reason (It's Multipler x (gap between ATK and DEF)), really. I'm tired though z.z; --Garlyle 06:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Assume attack of 2 and target's DEF of 4 for your first example.

3 x ((2 x 1.5) - (4 / 2))
3 x (3 - 2)
3 x (1)
3

Not getting the same with 'ATK x 4.5 - DEF x 1.5', you're ordering the operations wrong, I think. Furien 06:35, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

4.5 x 2 - 1.5 x 4
9 - 6
3

No, it evaluates correctly. -- Qazmlpok 13:06, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't bothered testing it out but if the damage formulas could be simplified like that, it'd be a big help. -- Fishin 01:37, March 12, 2010 (UTC)