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<div>{{Infobox Game<br />
| type = official game<br />
| titleN = {{ruby-ja|東方紺珠伝|とうほうかんじゅでん}}<br />
| titleEn = Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom<br />
| image = [[File:Th15front.jpg|256px|Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom]]<br />
| developer1 = [[Team Shanghai Alice]]<br />
| publisher1 = [[Team Shanghai Alice]]<br />
| publisher1Cat = Team Shanghai Alice<br />
| released = Trial: May 10, 2015 ([[:Category:Reitaisai 12|Reitaisai 12]])<br/> Web trial: July 31, 2015<br/> Full version: August 14, 2015<br />
| convention = Comiket 88<br />
| genre1 = Vertical Danmaku Shooting<br />
| gameplay = Single-Player Story Mode<br />
| platforms = [[Windows]] [[wikipedia:Windows Vista|Vista]]/[[wikipedia:Windows 7|7]]/[[wikipedia:Windows 8|8]]/[[wikipedia:Windows 10|10]] (Planned support)<br />
| requirements = *256MB+ of VRAM<br />
*DirectSound<br />
*DirectX 9.0c (June 2010)<br />
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{{thtitle|Touhou |Kanjuden|ruby=Ultramarine Orb Tale| ~ Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom|jp=東方紺珠伝 ~ Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom}}<ref>The {{nihongo|Ultramarine Orb|紺珠|Kanju}} is a gem said to belong to [[wikipedia:Zhang Yue (Tang dynasty)|Zhang Yue]], a prime minister of China's [[wikipedia:Tang dynasty|Tang dynasty]]. When he forgot something, he would hold the gem in his hand, and be able to remember everything.</ref> is the fifteenth official installment of the ''[[Touhou Project]]''. It was announced by ZUN on his personal blog on April 22, 2015, at 20:57 JST.<ref name=announce>{{cite web|url=http://kourindou.exblog.jp/22976576/|title=東方Project 第15弾です。|author=ZUN|date=April 22, 2015|language=Japanese}}</ref> A playable demo was released in May 10, 2015, at [[Reitaisai|Reitaisai 12]].<br />
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==Gameplay==<br />
{{Main|/Gameplay|l1=Gameplay|/Gameplay/Strategy|l2=Strategy|/Spell Cards|l3=Spell Cards}}<br />
There are four playable characters: [[Reimu Hakurei]], [[Marisa Kirisame]], [[Sanae Kochiya]], and [[Reisen Udongein Inaba]]. Before release, ZUN noted big changes to the gameplay, which would be "very different" (though still retaining core shoot 'em up fundamentals). He also made mention of the challenge and difficulty in implementing these changes, especially in time for the demo's release. <ref name=announce/><br />
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''Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom'' allows a selection between game modes: "Legacy Mode", which functions similarly to previous ''[[Touhou Project]]'' titles, and "Pointdevice Mode", a gameplay mode that removes lives and continues from the game but adds chapter checkpoints. When the player is hit in Pointdevice Mode, the game reverts back to the state at the beginning of the current chapter with only a small penalty to power. Additionally, after choosing difficulty and character from the menu, Pointdevice Mode grants the option to resume the previous game session.<br />
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Grazing is notably changed from previous titles, slowing the fall of point items so long as the player continues to graze. Prolonged grazing of bullets grants an additional 5 graze points. Graze becomes very important as players may be awarded a life fragment (in Legacy Mode) or a bomb fragment (in Pointdevice Mode) at the end of each chapter depending on how many graze points were earned and how many enemies were defeated.<br />
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==Concept==<br />
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==Story==<br />
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==Music==<br />
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==Press==<br />
''Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom'' was first announced on ZUN's blog on April 22, 2015. He confirmed playable characters and posted in-development screenshots, along with making vague mention of gameplay and story, the latter of which would remain a secret. Of the gameplay, he noted the difficulty of implementing it in time for the demo release at [[Reitaisai|Reitaisai 12]], which he would work on until then and would be released on CD-R.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
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File:Th15DemoCD.jpg|CD Demo featuring [[Seiran]]<br />
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==English patches==<br />
The following [http://thpatch.net/wiki/Project:Download Touhou Community Reliant Automatic Patcher] repositories provide (soon-to-be) complete translations of {{PAGENAME}}:<br />
; Touhou Patch Center (<tt>http://srv.thpatch.net/</tt>)<br />
* <tt>lang_en</tt> - Community translation from the [http://thpatch.net Touhou Patch Center] wiki<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/th15top.html Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom Web trial 0.01b] (Japanese)<br />
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[[Category:Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Legacy_of_Lunatic_Kingdom/Characters&diff=343389Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom/Characters2015-08-15T20:37:38Z<p>Karob: fixed image urls</p>
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<div>==Playable Characters==<br />
In [[Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom]], there are four playable characters to choose from.<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Reimu Hakurei<br />
| role =Playable Character<br />
| image =Th15Reimu.png<br />
| title-jp =楽園の巫女<br />
| title-en =Shrine Maiden of Paradise<br />
| description =The soldiers from the Pure Land finally made an entrance.<br />
Their flawlessness rejected the life and death of living creatures.<br />
}}<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Marisa Kirisame<br />
| role =Playable Character<br />
| image =Th15Marisa.png<br />
| title-jp =普通の魔法使い<br />
| title-en =Ordinary Magician<br />
| description =The Lunar Capital's Power Stone appeared before anyone knew it.<br />
It held a power that could throw Gensokyo's society into chaos.<br />
}}<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Sanae Kochiya<br />
| role =Playable Character<br />
| image =Th15Sanae.png<br />
| title-jp =山に住む奇跡の現人神<br />
| title-en =Mountain-Dwelling Living God of Miracles<br />
| description =A metallic spider appeared over the Youkai Mountain.<br />
To her, it looked like the Mars rover, Curiosity.<br />
}}<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Reisen Udongein Inaba<br />
| role =Playable Character<br />
| image =Th15Reisen.png<br />
| title-jp =地上の月兎<br />
| title-en =Moon Rabbit on Earth<br />
| description =The only thing that can oppose the moon's power is the moon's power itself.<br />
Eirin's drug had the power to experience the future.<br />
}}<br />
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==Enemy Characters==<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Seiran<br />
| role =Stage 1 Midboss (twice) and Stage 1 Boss<br />
| image =Th15Seiran.png<br />
| title-jp =浅葱色のイーグルラヴィ<br />
| title-en =The Pale Blue Eagle Ravi<br />
| description =<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Ringo<br />
| role =Stage 2 Midboss and Stage 2 Boss<br />
| image =Th15Ringo.png<br />
| title-jp =橘色のイーグルラヴィ<br />
| title-en =The Orange Eagle Ravi<br />
| description =<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Doremy Sweet<br />
| role =Stage 3 Midboss and Stage 3 Boss; Extra Stage Midboss<br />
| image =Th15Doremy.png<br />
| title-jp =夢の支配者<br />
| title-en =Ruler of Dreams<br />
| description =<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Sagume Kishin<br />
| role =Stage 4 Midboss and Stage 4 Boss<br />
| image =TH15Kishin.png<br />
| title-jp =舌禍をもたらす女神<br />
| title-en =Goddess who Invites Unfortunate Slips of the Tongue<br />
| description =<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Clownpiece<br />
| role =Stage 5 Boss<br />
| image =TH15Clownpiece.png<br />
| title-jp =地獄の妖精<br />
| title-en =Fairy of Hell<br />
| description =<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Junko<br />
| role =Final Stage Boss; Extra Stage Boss (Hecatia's Last Spell only)<br />
| image =JunkoTH15.png<br />
| title-jp =N/A<br />
| title-en =N/A<br />
| description =<br />
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{{Character Short<br />
| name =Hecatia Lapislazuli<br />
| role =Extra Stage Boss<br />
| image =TH15Hecatia.png<br />
| title-jp =地獄の女神<br />
| title-en =Goddess of Hell<br />
| description =<br />
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[[ru:Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom/Персонажи]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=User:Karob&diff=328633User:Karob2014-09-28T13:50:54Z<p>Karob: </p>
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<div>{{Infobox Person<br />
| nameEn =Kristopher McKenzie<br />
| other_name =Karob<br />
| image =[[File:User-Karob-Avatar.png|Is this what I look like?]]<br />
| caption =Ordinary Human<br />
| born =1987<br />
| location =[[Wikipedia:United States|United States]]<br />
| gender =Male<br />
| occupation =To Be Determined<br />
| website =<br />
*[https://soundcloud.com/krichotomy "SoundCloud"]<br />
*[http://krichotomy.newgrounds.com/ "Newgrounds"]<br />
*[http://krichotomy.deviantart.com/ "deviantART"]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2UiTe-jY0Dj8uRYxDMpMEQ "YouTube"]<br />
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Hello. I'm just your friendly neighborhood Touhou fan. I hope that I can make positive contributions to this wonderful wiki. My favorite [[Touhou Project]] character is [[Youmu Konpaku]]. I look forward to working with you.<br />
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This article is a stub. Bahaha.<br />
== Philosophy ==<br />
Nobody really knows anything. We're all just trying to make sense of this impossible thing we call reality. All we really want is a sense of belonging and purpose.<br />
== Occupation ==<br />
I hold a degree in Mechanical Engineering but due to rising psychological issues I have had to discontinue engineering pursuits. Presently I am seeking a job that will not be overly strenuous to my fragile mind.<br />
== Hobbies ==<br />
I obsess over my hobbies. They are the most important part of my life. I aim to eventually participate in the production of creative media such as animation and video games.<br />
=== Computer Programming ===<br />
Some time around 1999 I started studying computer programming. It became my obsession. For many years it was my primary free-time activity, until in 2013 when I succumbed to psychological distress and temporarily gave up computer programming as a hobby. I have slowly been reintroducing myself to it and have begun working on generic game programming with C++ and OpenGL to prepare myself for possible future projects. I have also resumed maintaining my [http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1278469-the-bigtrees-mod "Minecraft mod"]. Unfortunately at this time I have no works to publicly showcase other than the Minecraft mod.<br />
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;Primary Languages Studied:<br />
*C++<br />
*FORTRAN<br />
*Java<br />
=== Music Composition ===<br />
My musical history is rather off-and-on. I practiced [[Wikipedia:Recorder (musical instrument)|recorder]] and [[Wikipedia:Western concert flute|Western concert flute]] from 1998 to 2004, at which point I shifted my emphasis to [[Wikipedia:Tin whistle|tinwhistles]]. In 2006 I started college and gained regular access to piano, and I took full advantage of that privilege. Around this time I also purchased a [[Wikipedia:Appalachian dulcimer|mountain dulcimer]] and began to lull myself with it on sleepless nights. I do not consider myself particularly skilled in any instrument but I am most proficient with tinwhistles.<br />
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All throughout this time of practicing musical instruments, I also practiced transferring my simple compositions from my mind to some form of notation on paper or computer. I began composing midis, then working with sequencers. Over time this led to my introduction to Linux Multimedia Studio (http://lmms.sourceforge.net/), a free sequencer that is built for Linux as well as Windows. Today, though I still practice playing musical instruments, my primary music work is entirely on the computer. I am still quite young in the world of sequenced music and have not invested in an array of professional software (or supporting hardware) yet.<br />
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I do hope to soon achieve high enough quality of composition and production to provide music for others' creative works. You can listen to some of my best recent compositions on my SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/krichotomy<br />
=== Story Writing ===<br />
Throughout my life I always felt like I would be okay as long as I had a notebook and a writing utensil. Now that I am out of college I have found time again to practice writing. I have been studying many different stories that have appreciable plots or writing styles to try to help me improve my own writing. Presently my skill is still low enough that I dare not share my feeble attempts at creative writing. :)<br />
=== Drawing ===<br />
I do not understand why I still pursue drawing as a hobby as it is almost always very frustrating and stressful for me. However, I am pleased with the results even if I have not reached satisfactory quality yet. I upload some of my more interesting traditional and digital artworks to my deviantART page: http://krichotomy.deviantart.com/<br />
== Relation to Touhou ==<br />
#A friend composed a remix of the Towers of Hokkai theme and released it on March the 5th, 2014.<br />
#I then looked up the original to compare.<br />
#I wished to know what this "Tower" of "Hokkai" was, and querying that led me to this wiki.<br />
#I then became lost among the characters and lore of this wonderful world centered around Gensokyo.<br />
#Naturally, I became interested in the games and manga (and fanworks).<br />
And now here I am. A 100% certified Touhou fan.<br />
*'''Favorite game:''' [[Impossible Spell Card]]<br />
*'''Favorite spinoff game:''' [[The Tempest of Heaven and Earth|Tempest of Heaven and Earth ~ Suppression by Celestial Lullaby for Gaia]]<br />
*'''Favorite manga:''' [[Silent Sinner in Blue]]<br />
*'''Favorite character:''' [[Youmu Konpaku]]<br />
*'''Favorite musical theme:''' Broken Moon ([[Suika]]'s theme in [[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]])</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Tony64&diff=328560User talk:Tony642014-09-26T21:26:34Z<p>Karob: /* Marisa Kirisame page edits */</p>
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Mah talk page. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 13:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== TPW2 patch problem ==<br />
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Hi mister, have you checked the [[Talk:Touhou_Pocket_Wars_2nd#1.05_patch_.28Prismriver_sisters.29_and_English_patch TPW2|talk page]]? We currently have a problem with patch compatibility and construction: the old partial English patch doesn't work with the 1.05 patch from 2013, which adds more characters (Prismriver sisters).<br />
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I'd like to ask: do you have any idea of who or what group originally worked on the partial English patch? If not, do you know anybody that might be willing to help me with the programming, minor (and I mean ''minor'') translations, or even just useful information?<br />
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Currently, I'm trying to fuse both patches into one. It shouldn't be that hard programming-wise even though I have never had contact with this game's files before, but even if I have success, a minor part - other than the part already left untranslated by the partial English patch - would be in Japanese. I can attempt to identify exactly what strings need translating, and even translate them myself with Google (lol please), but it would be much more helpful both for me and for those who are still interested in the game to have someone who could return simple translations.<br />
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Either way, thank you for your time, and sorry to bother.<br />
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[[User:Riddle | Naï]] ([[User talk:Riddle|talk]]) 14:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello there :), I'd love to help, but unfortunately I know next to nothing about the partial English patches – not even who created these patches. I can't recall who'd want to help, but there're always other users on the wiki who're likely to be a lot more helpful than I am. I hope the project goes well though, and don't worry, you're not bothering anyone. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 16:10, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I see... thanks for the encouragement. I think nobody was working on the problem mostly because it was unknown though, so it should be okay now that we've at least identified the problem. --[[User:Riddle | Naï]] ([[User talk:Riddle|talk]]) 16:38, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== PNGs to GIFs ==<br />
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There is no reason to convert PNGs to GIFs. Please refrain from doing so. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 00:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:You need to undo all of your edits requesting deletion of PNGs, and request deleting of the GIFs. I'm not going to clean up your mess for you. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 00:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Hi there, my reason I did this is because all I thought was to minimise the size of the images by using GIFs wherever possible for less time of download, but if you don't want me to do that, then that's fine. I didn't ask on a talk page or anything whether this was okay to do because I'd expect nobody to reply to such matter due to seeing various talk posts not being responded to, including ones by me, which does frustrate me a bit when something might need fixing. However, I've no trouble in reverting the edits since you've noted me about this early, so I'll get right on it. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 00:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::It's fine, it's just an unnecessary change without any real benefit. PNG can actually reduce some images smaller than GIF anyway. I'd rather stay away from very old formats. Thanks for cleaning it up. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 01:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Sorted, and thanks for the heads up by the way. Like many would say, you make mistakes, you learn from them and you move on. But honestly though, if there's anything that I can help with, I'll try my best to contribute as I do like to be helpful at times when it's possible :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 01:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== erhu girl not being Satsuki Rin ==<br />
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Sorry for the late, just came back home after a hard week in college.<br />
Well, actually the source is form the MoTK forums in the topic 'ZUN and Touhou status update'.<br />
Here the user "cuc" which is very reliable and truthful provided the info about a topic in a japanse twitter about an user of this media trying to ask ZUN about the identity of the erhu girl. Basically, the question where if the erhu girl was a character planned to appear in EoSD and ZUN's answer to this question was negative.<br />
Well, I'm just assuming but it's pretty obvious that the character "planned to appear in EoSD" was Rin. I think with such info it should be clear what to do, but it's just my opinion. Thanks ;).<br />
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Source: https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14315.900.html<br />
--[[User:Camilo113|Camilo113]] ([[User talk:Camilo113|talk]]) 00:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Yorkshire==<br />
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScELaXMCVis Yes good]<br />
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:lol. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 16:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Marisa Kirisame page edits==<br />
Thanks for pointing out those guidelines. I'll try to keep within the English variant present in an article as I edit.<br />
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I do have a question though. In this excerpt:<br />
* In [[PC-98]] [[canon]], Marisa is depicted as having red eyes and red hair in ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', wearing a purple witch's outfit with a white bow on her hat. However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'', where she has yellow eyes and blonde hair similar to the [[Windows]] canon, which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series. There was one instance where she grew black devil-like wings. In ''[[Mystic Square]]'', her outfit changes from purple to black, which also stays with her for the rest of the series, and her hat gains faint pink frills.<br />
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Is it correct in any variant of English to write "stays" here instead of "stay"? It is referring to something plural: Her yellow eyes and blonde hair. So shouldn't they "stay" with her?<br />
- [[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 00:57, 24 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:No probs :). I try to ensure that spelling and grammar aren't changed in an edit from one variety to another, so it is fair with all English-speaking users that are from different countries who have the right to use their form of English. (I also made the same mistake changing some Americanisms to British before, so I went to do some research and created the guideline months ago so even I can't change spellings and the like.)<br />
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:Anyway, about 'stays'. From what I know, there's no variety to both 'stay' and 'stays', so they can be used internationally. In this case, it's not a plural that refers to many things (which plurals are normally used in nouns) and I saw it as a verb that means, to this case, "Marisa had kept her appearance the same throughout the series", or simply 'keeps', 'remains' or 'continue with'. I thought it was more natural to use 'stays' because, for example, if you want to keep something, it 'stays' with you. "To this day, Marisa has had blonde hair and yellow eyes since PoDD because it 'stayed' with her," which it another way of stating Marisa's standard appearance. I can't think of a way to use 'stay' in relation to Marisa's appearance, but I can say this example: "Marisa needs to stay with Reimu."<br />
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:Overall, it makes sense to me to use 'stays' in general English, but if it still doesn't make sense, it can always be re-worded. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 14:27, 24 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. :) So, the original sentence is:<br />
::*"However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'', where she has yellow eyes and blonde hair similar to the [[Windows]] canon, which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series."<br />
::If "stays" is referring to her appearance, then we can remove the middle clause to get the sentence:<br />
::*"However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'' which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series."<br />
::This results in a sentence that is not grammatically correct. If, however, "stays" is referring to her yellow eyes and blonde hair, then we can remove some material to focus on the clause:<br />
::*"She has yellow eyes and blonde hair which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series."<br />
::This is also not grammatically correct because "stays" is now referring to a plural (blonde hair and yellow eyes), similar to if we had written:<br />
::*"Marisa has a bronze mushroom and a broken broomstick which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the fanfiction.<br />
::Do you see how in this case the word "stay" should be used instead of "stays"?<br />
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::If it still appears to you that "stays" should be used, then the wording probably is easy to perceive multiple ways, and perhaps a rewording is due, such as:<br />
::*"However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'', where she has yellow eyes and blonde hair similar to the [[Windows]] canon. This appearance '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series."<br />
::That may be a better wording anyway since it avoids any ambiguity. Maybe instead of babbling about the usage of "stay" vs "stays" I should have just suggested that. Grin.<br />
::- [[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 08:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I see. Well, I suppose the latter sentence looks like the most grammatically correct based on what you've stated here. I've changed the sentence in Marisa's page. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 13:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Great, thanks! - [[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 21:26, 26 September 2014 (UTC)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=File:User-Karob-Avatar.png&diff=328524File:User-Karob-Avatar.png2014-09-26T04:36:11Z<p>Karob: Karob uploaded a new version of &quot;File:User-Karob-Avatar.png&quot;</p>
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| nameEn =Kristopher McKenzie<br />
| other_name =Karob<br />
| image =[[File:User-Karob-Avatar.png|Is this what I look like?]]<br />
| caption =Ordinary Human<br />
| born =1987<br />
| location =[[Wikipedia:United States|United States]]<br />
| gender =Male<br />
| occupation =To Be Determined<br />
| website =<br />
*[https://soundcloud.com/krichotomy "SoundCloud"]<br />
*[http://krichotomy.newgrounds.com/ "Newgrounds"]<br />
*[http://krichotomy.deviantart.com/ "deviantART"]<br />
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Hello. I'm just your friendly neighborhood Touhou fan. I hope that I can make positive contributions to this wonderful wiki. My favorite [[Touhou Project]] character is [[Youmu Konpaku]]. I look forward to working with you.<br />
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This article is a stub. Bahaha.<br />
== Philosophy ==<br />
Nobody really knows anything. We're all just trying to make sense of this impossible thing we call reality. All we really want is a sense of belonging and purpose.<br />
== Occupation ==<br />
I hold a degree in Mechanical Engineering but due to rising psychological issues I have had to discontinue engineering pursuits. Presently I am seeking a job that will not be overly strenuous to my fragile mind.<br />
== Hobbies ==<br />
I obsess over my hobbies. They are the most important part of my life. I aim to eventually participate in the production of creative media such as animation and video games.<br />
=== Computer Programming ===<br />
Some time around 1999 I started studying computer programming. It became my obsession. For many years it was my primary free-time activity, until in 2013 when I succumbed to psychological distress and temporarily gave up computer programming as a hobby. I have slowly been reintroducing myself to it and have begun working on generic game programming with C++ and OpenGL to prepare myself for possible future projects. I have also resumed maintaining my [http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1278469-the-bigtrees-mod "Minecraft mod"]. Unfortunately at this time I have no works to publicly showcase other than the Minecraft mod.<br />
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;Primary Languages Studied:<br />
*C++<br />
*FORTRAN<br />
*Java<br />
=== Music Composition ===<br />
My musical history is rather off-and-on. I practiced [[Wikipedia:Recorder (musical instrument)|recorder]] and [[Wikipedia:Western concert flute|Western concert flute]] from 1998 to 2004, at which point I shifted my emphasis to [[Wikipedia:Tin whistle|tinwhistles]]. In 2006 I started college and gained regular access to piano, and I took full advantage of that privilege. Around this time I also purchased a [[Wikipedia:Appalachian dulcimer|mountain dulcimer]] and began to lull myself with it on sleepless nights. I do not consider myself particularly skilled in any instrument but I am most proficient with tinwhistles.<br />
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All throughout this time of practicing musical instruments, I also practiced transferring my simple compositions from my mind to some form of notation on paper or computer. I began composing midis, then working with sequencers. Over time this led to my introduction to Linux Multimedia Studio (http://lmms.sourceforge.net/), a free sequencer that is built for Linux as well as Windows. Today, though I still practice playing musical instruments, my primary music work is entirely on the computer. I am still quite young in the world of sequenced music and have not invested in an array of professional software (or supporting hardware) yet.<br />
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I do hope to soon achieve high enough quality of composition and production to provide music for others' creative works. You can listen to some of my best recent compositions on my SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/krichotomy<br />
=== Story Writing ===<br />
Throughout my life I always felt like I would be okay as long as I had a notebook and a writing utensil. Now that I am out of college I have found time again to practice writing. I have been studying many different stories that have appreciable plots or writing styles to try to help me improve my own writing. Presently my skill is still low enough that I dare not share my feeble attempts at creative writing. :)<br />
=== Drawing ===<br />
I do not understand why I still pursue drawing as a hobby as it is almost always very frustrating and stressful for me. However, I am pleased with the results even if I have not reached satisfactory quality yet. I upload some of my more interesting traditional and digital artworks to my deviantART page: http://krichotomy.deviantart.com/<br />
== Relation to Touhou ==<br />
#A friend composed a remix of the Towers of Hokkai theme and released it on March the 5th, 2014.<br />
#I then looked up the original to compare.<br />
#I wished to know what this "Tower" of "Hokkai" was, and querying that led me to this wiki.<br />
#I then became lost among the characters and lore of this wonderful world centered around Gensokyo.<br />
#Naturally, I became interested in the games and manga (and fanworks).<br />
And now here I am. A 100% certified Touhou fan.<br />
*'''Favorite game:''' [[Impossible Spell Card]]<br />
*'''Favorite spinoff game:''' [[The Tempest of Heaven and Earth|Tempest of Heaven and Earth ~ Suppression by Celestial Lullaby for Gaia]]<br />
*'''Favorite manga:''' [[Silent Sinner in Blue]]<br />
*'''Favorite character:''' [[Youmu Konpaku]]<br />
*'''Favorite musical theme:''' Broken Moon ([[Suika]]'s theme in [[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]])<br />
== Other Fandoms ==<br />
I guess you could say that, other than Touhou, I'm primarily a fan of:<br />
* '''Sonic the Hedgehog''' (I am slightly active on the Sonic Robo Blast 2 message boards.)<br />
* '''The Legend of Zelda''' (I just play the games and listen to the music.)<br />
* '''Naruto''' (I just watch the anime and read the manga. Yes, I am aware of this series' faults, but I am in love with the world and characters that make it up.)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=File:User-Karob-Avatar.png&diff=328522File:User-Karob-Avatar.png2014-09-26T02:55:36Z<p>Karob: Created page with "Category:User avatar"</p>
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Mah talk page. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 13:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== TPW2 patch problem ==<br />
<br />
Hi mister, have you checked the [[Talk:Touhou_Pocket_Wars_2nd#1.05_patch_.28Prismriver_sisters.29_and_English_patch TPW2|talk page]]? We currently have a problem with patch compatibility and construction: the old partial English patch doesn't work with the 1.05 patch from 2013, which adds more characters (Prismriver sisters).<br />
<br />
I'd like to ask: do you have any idea of who or what group originally worked on the partial English patch? If not, do you know anybody that might be willing to help me with the programming, minor (and I mean ''minor'') translations, or even just useful information?<br />
<br />
<br />
Currently, I'm trying to fuse both patches into one. It shouldn't be that hard programming-wise even though I have never had contact with this game's files before, but even if I have success, a minor part - other than the part already left untranslated by the partial English patch - would be in Japanese. I can attempt to identify exactly what strings need translating, and even translate them myself with Google (lol please), but it would be much more helpful both for me and for those who are still interested in the game to have someone who could return simple translations.<br />
<br />
Either way, thank you for your time, and sorry to bother.<br />
<br />
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[[User:Riddle | Naï]] ([[User talk:Riddle|talk]]) 14:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello there :), I'd love to help, but unfortunately I know next to nothing about the partial English patches – not even who created these patches. I can't recall who'd want to help, but there're always other users on the wiki who're likely to be a lot more helpful than I am. I hope the project goes well though, and don't worry, you're not bothering anyone. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 16:10, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I see... thanks for the encouragement. I think nobody was working on the problem mostly because it was unknown though, so it should be okay now that we've at least identified the problem. --[[User:Riddle | Naï]] ([[User talk:Riddle|talk]]) 16:38, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== PNGs to GIFs ==<br />
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There is no reason to convert PNGs to GIFs. Please refrain from doing so. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 00:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:You need to undo all of your edits requesting deletion of PNGs, and request deleting of the GIFs. I'm not going to clean up your mess for you. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 00:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Hi there, my reason I did this is because all I thought was to minimise the size of the images by using GIFs wherever possible for less time of download, but if you don't want me to do that, then that's fine. I didn't ask on a talk page or anything whether this was okay to do because I'd expect nobody to reply to such matter due to seeing various talk posts not being responded to, including ones by me, which does frustrate me a bit when something might need fixing. However, I've no trouble in reverting the edits since you've noted me about this early, so I'll get right on it. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 00:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::It's fine, it's just an unnecessary change without any real benefit. PNG can actually reduce some images smaller than GIF anyway. I'd rather stay away from very old formats. Thanks for cleaning it up. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 01:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Sorted, and thanks for the heads up by the way. Like many would say, you make mistakes, you learn from them and you move on. But honestly though, if there's anything that I can help with, I'll try my best to contribute as I do like to be helpful at times when it's possible :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 01:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== erhu girl not being Satsuki Rin ==<br />
<br />
Sorry for the late, just came back home after a hard week in college.<br />
Well, actually the source is form the MoTK forums in the topic 'ZUN and Touhou status update'.<br />
Here the user "cuc" which is very reliable and truthful provided the info about a topic in a japanse twitter about an user of this media trying to ask ZUN about the identity of the erhu girl. Basically, the question where if the erhu girl was a character planned to appear in EoSD and ZUN's answer to this question was negative.<br />
Well, I'm just assuming but it's pretty obvious that the character "planned to appear in EoSD" was Rin. I think with such info it should be clear what to do, but it's just my opinion. Thanks ;).<br />
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Source: https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14315.900.html<br />
--[[User:Camilo113|Camilo113]] ([[User talk:Camilo113|talk]]) 00:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Yorkshire==<br />
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScELaXMCVis Yes good]<br />
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:lol. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 16:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Marisa Kirisame page edits==<br />
Thanks for pointing out those guidelines. I'll try to keep within the English variant present in an article as I edit.<br />
<br />
I do have a question though. In this excerpt:<br />
* In [[PC-98]] [[canon]], Marisa is depicted as having red eyes and red hair in ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', wearing a purple witch's outfit with a white bow on her hat. However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'', where she has yellow eyes and blonde hair similar to the [[Windows]] canon, which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series. There was one instance where she grew black devil-like wings. In ''[[Mystic Square]]'', her outfit changes from purple to black, which also stays with her for the rest of the series, and her hat gains faint pink frills.<br />
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Is it correct in any variant of English to write "stays" here instead of "stay"? It is referring to something plural: Her yellow eyes and blonde hair. So shouldn't they "stay" with her?<br />
- [[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 00:57, 24 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:No probs :). I try to ensure that spelling and grammar aren't changed in an edit from one variety to another, so it is fair with all English-speaking users that are from different countries who have the right to use their form of English. (I also made the same mistake changing some Americanisms to British before, so I went to do some research and created the guideline months ago so even I can't change spellings and the like.)<br />
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:Anyway, about 'stays'. From what I know, there's no variety to both 'stay' and 'stays', so they can be used internationally. In this case, it's not a plural that refers to many things (which plurals are normally used in nouns) and I saw it as a verb that means, to this case, "Marisa had kept her appearance the same throughout the series", or simply 'keeps', 'remains' or 'continue with'. I thought it was more natural to use 'stays' because, for example, if you want to keep something, it 'stays' with you. "To this day, Marisa has had blonde hair and yellow eyes since PoDD because it 'stayed' with her," which it another way of stating Marisa's standard appearance. I can't think of a way to use 'stay' in relation to Marisa's appearance, but I can say this example: "Marisa needs to stay with Reimu."<br />
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:Overall, it makes sense to me to use 'stays' in general English, but if it still doesn't make sense, it can always be re-worded. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 14:27, 24 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. :) So, the original sentence is:<br />
::*"However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'', where she has yellow eyes and blonde hair similar to the [[Windows]] canon, which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series."<br />
::If "stays" is referring to her appearance, then we can remove the middle clause to get the sentence:<br />
::*"However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'' which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series."<br />
::This results in a sentence that is not grammatically correct. If, however, "stays" is referring to her yellow eyes and blonde hair, then we can remove some material to focus on the clause:<br />
::*"She has yellow eyes and blonde hair which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series."<br />
::This is also not grammatically correct because "stays" is now referring to a plural (blonde hair and yellow eyes), similar to if we had written:<br />
::*"Marisa has a bronze mushroom and a broken broomstick which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the fanfiction.<br />
::Do you see how in this case the word "stay" should be used instead of "stays"?<br />
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::If it still appears to you that "stays" should be used, then the wording probably is easy to perceive multiple ways, and perhaps a rewording is due, such as:<br />
::*"However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'', where she has yellow eyes and blonde hair similar to the [[Windows]] canon. This appearance '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series."<br />
::That may be a better wording anyway since it avoids any ambiguity. Maybe instead of babbling about the usage of "stay" vs "stays" I should have just suggested that. Grin.<br />
::- [[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 08:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Tony64&diff=328474User talk:Tony642014-09-24T00:57:57Z<p>Karob: </p>
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Mah talk page. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 13:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== TPW2 patch problem ==<br />
<br />
Hi mister, have you checked the [[Talk:Touhou_Pocket_Wars_2nd#1.05_patch_.28Prismriver_sisters.29_and_English_patch TPW2|talk page]]? We currently have a problem with patch compatibility and construction: the old partial English patch doesn't work with the 1.05 patch from 2013, which adds more characters (Prismriver sisters).<br />
<br />
I'd like to ask: do you have any idea of who or what group originally worked on the partial English patch? If not, do you know anybody that might be willing to help me with the programming, minor (and I mean ''minor'') translations, or even just useful information?<br />
<br />
<br />
Currently, I'm trying to fuse both patches into one. It shouldn't be that hard programming-wise even though I have never had contact with this game's files before, but even if I have success, a minor part - other than the part already left untranslated by the partial English patch - would be in Japanese. I can attempt to identify exactly what strings need translating, and even translate them myself with Google (lol please), but it would be much more helpful both for me and for those who are still interested in the game to have someone who could return simple translations.<br />
<br />
Either way, thank you for your time, and sorry to bother.<br />
<br />
<br />
[[User:Riddle | Naï]] ([[User talk:Riddle|talk]]) 14:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello there :), I'd love to help, but unfortunately I know next to nothing about the partial English patches – not even who created these patches. I can't recall who'd want to help, but there're always other users on the wiki who're likely to be a lot more helpful than I am. I hope the project goes well though, and don't worry, you're not bothering anyone. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 16:10, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::I see... thanks for the encouragement. I think nobody was working on the problem mostly because it was unknown though, so it should be okay now that we've at least identified the problem. --[[User:Riddle | Naï]] ([[User talk:Riddle|talk]]) 16:38, 11 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== PNGs to GIFs ==<br />
<br />
There is no reason to convert PNGs to GIFs. Please refrain from doing so. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 00:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:You need to undo all of your edits requesting deletion of PNGs, and request deleting of the GIFs. I'm not going to clean up your mess for you. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 00:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Hi there, my reason I did this is because all I thought was to minimise the size of the images by using GIFs wherever possible for less time of download, but if you don't want me to do that, then that's fine. I didn't ask on a talk page or anything whether this was okay to do because I'd expect nobody to reply to such matter due to seeing various talk posts not being responded to, including ones by me, which does frustrate me a bit when something might need fixing. However, I've no trouble in reverting the edits since you've noted me about this early, so I'll get right on it. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 00:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::It's fine, it's just an unnecessary change without any real benefit. PNG can actually reduce some images smaller than GIF anyway. I'd rather stay away from very old formats. Thanks for cleaning it up. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 01:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Sorted, and thanks for the heads up by the way. Like many would say, you make mistakes, you learn from them and you move on. But honestly though, if there's anything that I can help with, I'll try my best to contribute as I do like to be helpful at times when it's possible :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 01:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== erhu girl not being Satsuki Rin ==<br />
<br />
Sorry for the late, just came back home after a hard week in college.<br />
Well, actually the source is form the MoTK forums in the topic 'ZUN and Touhou status update'.<br />
Here the user "cuc" which is very reliable and truthful provided the info about a topic in a japanse twitter about an user of this media trying to ask ZUN about the identity of the erhu girl. Basically, the question where if the erhu girl was a character planned to appear in EoSD and ZUN's answer to this question was negative.<br />
Well, I'm just assuming but it's pretty obvious that the character "planned to appear in EoSD" was Rin. I think with such info it should be clear what to do, but it's just my opinion. Thanks ;).<br />
<br />
Source: https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14315.900.html<br />
--[[User:Camilo113|Camilo113]] ([[User talk:Camilo113|talk]]) 00:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Yorkshire==<br />
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScELaXMCVis Yes good]<br />
<br />
:lol. :) {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 16:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Marisa Kirisame page edits==<br />
Thanks for pointing out those guidelines. I'll try to keep within the English variant present in an article as I edit.<br />
<br />
I do have a question though. In this excerpt:<br />
* In [[PC-98]] [[canon]], Marisa is depicted as having red eyes and red hair in ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', wearing a purple witch's outfit with a white bow on her hat. However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'', where she has yellow eyes and blonde hair similar to the [[Windows]] canon, which '''stays''' with her for the rest of the series. There was one instance where she grew black devil-like wings. In ''[[Mystic Square]]'', her outfit changes from purple to black, which also stays with her for the rest of the series, and her hat gains faint pink frills.<br />
<br />
Is it correct in any variant of English to write "stays" here instead of "stay"? It is referring to something plural: Her yellow eyes and blonde hair. So shouldn't they "stay" with her?<br />
- [[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 00:57, 24 September 2014 (UTC)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Marisa_Kirisame&diff=328381Talk:Marisa Kirisame2014-09-20T18:06:43Z<p>Karob: /* Redundancy in the Page */</p>
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==Ordinary, or Queer==<br />
Eh? I know about her evil personality but I thought she was an "ordinary" witch?<br />
Still, great stuff to have a translation =)--[[User:ChronoReverse|ChronoReverse]] 20:26, 18 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
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'Queer' is a horrible translation in everyway possible. It's the exact opposite in fact! Marisa is supposed to be the "Ordinary witch" with her broom and a hut in forest. --[[User:Sssssz|Sssssz]] 00:32, 23 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
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Queer, Strange or whatever you would like... strangely she's described as "奇妙な (Queer)" in EoSD text.<br />
However, in PCB and later series she's refered as "普通の (Ordinary)"... I wonder what caused ZUN to describe her in completely opposite way. -- Aona<br />
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It also seems to fluctuate between "normal" and "normal black" magician. I guess ZUN was drunk and forgot? --nameless fairy<br />
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: Even when Marisa solves the mysterious problem or rushes in, she calls herself "ordinary". Of course, she is not "ordinary", but it's a comedic or ironic manner. It must show how Marisa's personality is: she doesn't want to be too proud of her job and she trys to deceive not to be blamed of burglar.<br />
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==Did she really?==<br />
That "Marisa is the person who actually taught Reimu how to fly."... where did you read about this?<br/><br />
I don't think I've read something like this in official sources I've been reading in past... well, perhaps Puregirl CoLA?<br/><br />
If it's fan-fiction stuff, please state so in same line like other fan-thing in Fan Facts (like Chugoku and such).<br />
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:Oops, I must have gotten that into my mind from watching too much of Touhou 2's Bad Endings and Marisa trying to train(?) Reimu with stuff. Retracting immediately. --[[User:Leviathean|Leviathean]] 07:26, 14 Jun 2005 (PDT)<br />
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Help...<br />
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She is a complex lose-hater that hates a lose-hater whose elicit their sign of being lose-hater.<br />
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As is the nature of a magician, she is very intelligent, but does NOT act cynically nor sets off Cobalt Bomb with shout of "Fuck you, Human!!"<br />
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== Collectomaniac or Kleptomaniac? ==<br />
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Apparently I noticed this a while ago, and it bugged me.<br />
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Some of Marisa's profiles (the *.txt files) translated on this article use the word "collectomaniac" instead of "kleptomaniac".<br />
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Is this translation literal in context (ie, a translated pun with the kanji) or is it a mistake (the two words sound familiar, seem to have the same meaning, but one isn't real)?<br />
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Kleptomania's definition:<br />
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[[Wikipedia:Kleptomania]]<br />
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kleptomania<br />
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-Inu<br />
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I think "collectomaniac" is what they're going for. Marisa doesn't steal from compulsion, she does it because...well...she's Marisa. The "collectomaniac" part is from a few references (mostly in CoLA) that she likes to collect stuff and doesn't like to throw anything away. For instance, Kourin found a legendary sword in a scrap pile that Marisa kept just because she didn't wanna throw away a pile of scrap.<br />
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[[User:Luceid|Luceid]] 07:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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An old subject, but a compulsive collector could be called a [[wikipedia:compulsive hoarding|Syllogomaniac]]. Though that might assume she doesn't consider her hoard even somewhat useful.<br />
[[User:Arekku|Arekku]] 02:52, February 19, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Name ==<br />
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"Marisa doesn't make much sense though... the first character means "magic", the second "logic" or "reason", and the third "sand"."<br />
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Marisa is just a feminine given name. [[User:90.156.33.152|90.156.33.152]] 13:11, 23 February 2008 (PST)<br />
: I disagree. Western names do have meanings, it's just that most of them are archaic. If you give ZUN the benefit of the doubt and assume that he chose "Marisa" with some meaning intended, then there's a few possible meanings. From what I can find, there's debate over where it comes from, but most of the sites seem to agree that Marisa either comes from "Maria" or "Maris". Maris is latin for "of the sea", wile Maria comes from the hebrew [http://www.behindthename.com/name/mary| Mary]. According to behindthename.com, there's dispute as to what Mary means, but the possibilities they list include "Bitterness", "rebelliousness", "Wished for Child", and "Love". So it's a bit of a stretch, but rebelliousness would fit Marisa pretty well.[[Special:Contributions/206.174.3.88|206.174.3.88]] 04:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Oh and jisho.org says that 魔 means<br />
1: demon; devil; evil spirit; evil influence; (Noun suffix)<br />
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2: someone who (habitually) performs some (negative) act<br />
:I don't know much about kanji, but those definitions seem pretty different from "magic".[[Special:Contributions/206.174.3.88|206.174.3.88]] 04:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Magic is called 魔法 (mahou) in Japanese, the Ma in Marisa's name is taken to mean this. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] 07:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: I agree with Deadkid dk. I think the biggest reason why she is given her name "Marisa" by ZUN is that it sounds so girlish and cute. From Meiji era, some people tried naming their children after Western European-like names, for example Mako, Eliza. So some Japanese people's names aren't Japanese-like in careful looking. In fact, the name of one of my friends is Risako (理沙子), which sounds never odd, but isn't traditional. It's too modern. What I want to say is the most important is the sound "marisa", or else the character "MA" (魔).<br />
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It sort of makes sense considering Gensokyo is apparently stuck in the Nineteenth Century. Remember, back then the Japanese used Kanji even to write foreign names if they were proper nouns, I believe (ateji), for example America was written 亜米利加 though nowadays it's (thankfully) just written using Katakana. If you're familiar with the series When Seagulls Cry, many of the characters have Westernized Japanese names. The spelling of Marisa's name may be on the same line of thinking, though this is just my assumption.{{Unsigned|Wererat42|2009-09-06T12:49:25 (UTC)}}<br />
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== Playgirl ==<br />
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Well we know that Marisa is hitting alot of characters right? She's the only character who already<br />
got in EoSD,MoF and SA<br />
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== Another stolen spell card ==<br />
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In [[Undefined Fantastic Object|UFO]], Marisa just stolen Aya's attack from <br />
[[Subterranean Animism]]in Reimu C.<br />
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== Da-ze ==<br />
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Where does Marisa's catchphrase "da-ze" come from?<br />
:Do look at [[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil: Marisa's Scenario|Marisa's Dialogue in EoSD]], for example. It appears in the other works, also in another type "ze". "ze", "da ze". Both aren't quite different to Japanese people. --Masuo64 12:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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だぜ isn't so much as catchphrase as it's just a more masculine form of です. Makes Marisa sound more rough than the other girls who use words like ですわ, and if a translator elects to not leave it untranslated, they'll usually make her speech more brusque to reflect this. --[[User:Wererat42|Wererat42]] 16:25, September 6, 2009 (UTC) <br />
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:Makes her sound bad-ass. A mix of assertive, confident, and daring. It's cute, unless you're someone who doesn't like Haruhi-type characters. [[User:TheTrueBlue|TheTrueBlue]] 17:29, September 6, 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==12.5 Appearance==<br />
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Marisa's appearance has changed in 12.5. I wonder if people pay attention to that...I think it should be added to her main profile. She no longer has that "M" on her outfit, and her hat seems to be more pointed now. Well, maybe someone else can describe it better than I can.(Maybe some other characters' appearances have changed as well in this game?) [[Special:Contributions/24.13.162.218|24.13.162.218]] 22:46, March 15, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Wands ==<br />
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I figured I added this in talk in case people become skeptical...<br />
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'''Story of Eastern Wonderland:''' She uses a star wand in battle.<br/><br />
'''Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream:''' Take a look at her portrait when she casts a spell.<br/><br />
'''Lotus Land Story:''' One of her Bad Endings and title page.<br/><br />
'''Undefined Fantastic Object:''' Her character portrait.<br/><br />
[[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 18:16, June 20, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate palette from Touhou Hisoutensoku==<br />
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I see that there's some conflict on whether her alternate palette from [[Touhou Hisoutensoku]] is purple or blue. Well, there are two palettes that seem to match the description. One has her completely purple (including her hair), while another has only her clothes and hat blue and her hair red. It's just my guess but the completely purple palette seems to make some reference to Patchouli, while the blue-clothes and red-hair palette is the one making reference to Marisa of the PC-98 games. I'd like to know how u all think. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 04:57, September 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:In the PC98 games, she is completely purple. No sign of blue. [[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 06:32, September 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah, I agree with that. So the purple one should be the reference to Marisa of the PC98 series, but among the palettes, there's one that has her wear bluish purple (I took a look at it again and now it doesn't look completely blue) clothes and red hair. Also in Story of Eastern Wonderland, although Marisa wears purple clothes, she has red hair, kind of similar to the palette I just described. Assuming that the completely purple palette is the PC98 reference, does anyone think that the blue clothes and red hair one is a reference to Story of Eastern Wonderland? Probably there are two palettes out there making reference to the same PC98 series. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 02:31, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, btw, I'm allowed to post images here? Maybe it'll help clear some confusion if I could post the images I'm describing here. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 02:33, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Sure. Post the images. [[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 02:51, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Thanks, here's the blue palette I think some people were talking about: [[File:MarisaPalette1.png]]<br />
::::And this is the Marisa completely purple: [[File:MarisaPalette2.png]] <br />
I dunno if it's just on my computer or not, but the red hair Marisa's clothes look slightly bluish. Probably that's why there has been some recent edits on the palette color. I agree on your point that the purple palette is a reference to Marisa from the PC98 series, but the purple clothes palette in Hisoutensoku has Marisa's hair even purple, while in PC98 games Marisa's hair was red (in Story of Eastern Wonderland) or yellow (in all other PC98 games). Probably I'm just being too stingy about the palette color, so please correct me if I'm wrong on this. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 03:04, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::The blue pallette and red hair would be suitable for the pc98 games, and the completely purple one would resemble patchouli. [[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 15:30, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Alright. Thanks for your time on this issue. I hope that would clear some confusion amongst people. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 20:25, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Consistency Issues==<br />
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Ok, make a decision, because we have order of appearance (pertaining to description...) in ascending order (From Old to New ) in some profiles, while others have descending (New to Old) order... so make up your minds?<br />
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(Post in the community talk section if necessary...)<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:57, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Regarding palette comparison ==<br />
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red-hair blue-outfit marisa more resembles VIVIT than SoEW marisa.<br />
If you're only comparing hair color then you could say that it's based on the older colors, but our own sources say that SoEW marisa had purple outfit.<br />
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VIVIT's a maid with a blue dress and a white apron --[[User:Tsukihime|Tsukihime]] 14:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:VIVIT has a light blue dress and Marisa has a rather dark blue in her palette, so I can't see this reference. Must have forgot to say that... {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 14:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::It doesn't look dark blue at all. And definitely wouldn't be considered purple. --[[User:Tsukihime|Tsukihime]] 15:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::mmm... it doe's look more to SoEW Marisa to me. I mean, can you really make one palette looking like two things? {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 15:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes. That's how art works =P --[[User:Tsukihime|Tsukihime]] 23:40, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Things needing attention on the Marisa page ==<br />
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Alright, I rewrote the main description, the appearance section, and updated the page for the new InfoBox layout. However, a few things are missing, and I would like to have some help since I have to edit the Youmu page, as well as dig in canon to rewrite the relationships sections for Reimu and Marisa before Comiket 80 since the wiki will get a lot of traffic.<br />
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Things needed to be done;<br />
*A relationships section needs to be added and written, the original page did not have one. Add the section under concept for now.<br />
*The story sections needs to be rewritten in the same style as [[Reimu]]'s.<br />
*The Fandom as well as the Trivia section need to be looked over.<br />
*Spellchecking the grammar.<br />
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--[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 01:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Disputing Marisa's "Other Ability"==<br />
I believe she can only copy danmaku if it's within the scope of being a witch, in fact there are several instances like...<br />
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'''"Not feeling like it"'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Nitori Kawashiro's Spell Cards|Nitori's]] ''"By the way, I don't think I will imitate this danmaku. It really makes me feel anxious and disturbed."'' '''Meaning she does not like it and will not take this one.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Shizuha Aki's Spell Card|Shizuha's]] ''"There's a bit of a miserable feeling, like the melancholy that comes when I have to clean my garden, and I don't want to copy this spell card."'' '''This depresses her and does not want to copy.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Minoriko Aki's Spell Cards|Minoriko's]] ''"With moderate sunlight and rain, that will ensure that the farming efforts will not be lost. But what earthy danmaku. I'm not interested in this at all."'' '''This bores her and she doesn't want.'''<br />
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'''"Can't do it"'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Hina Kagiyama's Spell Cards|Hina's]] ''"This spell card uses her specialty well; as she spins in the water, it starts to sting. I can't copy this spell card, nor do I want to. "'' '''pretty much defeats that statement.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Aya Shameimaru's Spell Cards|Aya's]] ''"Anyway, since this danmaku cannot be referenced for my magic in any way, it is only good for training my dodging skills."'' '''Being a Human Witch pretty much says that she can not do this one. Can't reference, can't copy.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Suika Ibuki's Spell Cards|Sukia's]] ''"This sort of thing isn't really danmaku. I can't use this as a reference at all. She really is just a monster. "'' '''This is a Oni trait and being a Human Witch does not allow this.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Suika Ibuki's Spell Cards|Sukia's]] ''"This isn't danmaku either, and it really hurts."'' '''Same as above'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Suika Ibuki's Spell Cards|Sukia's]] ''"As always, I can't use this as a reference."'' '''Same as above'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Flandre Scarlet's Spell Cards|Flandre's]] ''"A spell card where clones are made and they each attack as they like. While I don't think I'll be able to make clones of myself like this, I still want slaves."'' '''Marisa states that she can not''' <br />
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'''"Out of Reach"'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Chen's Spell Cards|Chen's]] ''"This kind of unreasonable power-up technique can't be imitated by humans."'' '''pretty much says Marisa, a human, can not do this one.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Suika Ibuki's Spell Cards|Sukia's]] ''"Since she's not used to using spell-card-like spell cards, when she decides to use one once in a while, this unfair spell card is the result. Oni sure are behind the times. They don't know the newest spell cards for playing around."'' '''Also suggests cards from the past can't be copied by her.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Yuugi Hoshiguma's Spell Cards|Yuugi's]] ''"Though I don't know how she does it - as Yuugi takes a step, this skill buries the area around her stride with high-density danmaku. Though it's nearly instant death in less than three steps, since Yuugi's three steps are too wide, it's basically instant death. But it's marvelous how she places her danmaku as if she wants me to enjoy this. She shows that even in a feat of strength, she can find leisure to play. It's a shame I probably won't be able to imitate the oni's incomprehensible techniques. Even so, there are various oni around. Hmm."'' '''This is beyond her comprehension.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Kaguya Houraisan's Spell Cards|Kaguya's]] ''"An unreasonably big ceiling. Formidable, considering that this is said to be one tile. I can't really imagine the tree from which this is made. Bringing that tile over is a foul move. The pressure that the big walls give is abnormal. Holding this tile up with her two hands and showing it off to everyone, Kaguya is scary. By the way, this rare item gets in the way so I don't want it. In the end, Kaguya's spell cards all make use of special items, so I realize that they can't be referenced. She doesn't really use her own ability in spell card battles. Maybe the lunar urbanites aren't adapted to spell cards."'' '''Can't use since items are used in aid of spells. '''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Utsuho Reiuji's Spell Cards|Ustuho's]] ''"Superhot fireballs. Though it's fine to graze the danmaku a little, touching the fireball just a little bit makes me fear for my life. Hence, large evasions are a must. I think, other than daring and precise actions, there are no countermeasures. Even the mini-[[hakkero]] can't produce such high temperatures. Nuclear fusion sure is amazing."'' '''The Mini Hakkero limits her power to do certain spells.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Patchouli Knowledge's Spell Cards|Patchouli's]] ''"A spell card that crystallizes the basic unit of five magics and makes them shoot. Because it calls forth many magics, the danmaku that is released from each stone is weak. She's probably only capable of making it fire automatically. I want to know how to make these kinds of stones, but the specific procedures aren't written in any books I look at. The philosopher's stone. What I got from reading books was, it's capable of turning non-metals into metals, curing everyone's health, and it makes good topping for any culinary dish. Man, I would love to make a five-colored boxed lunch topped with philosopher's stone"'' '''For lack of a book, means no copy'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Flandre Scarlet's Spell Cards|Flandre's]] ''"If I get hit, then there will be none. When your opponent disappears, you can't tell where attacks will come from, and it's scary. In this situation, avoiding the danmaku is dependent on being able to see the opponent. For what it's worth, I want her to tell me how she can hide her form like that."'' '''This says that she does not know how by herself.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Tenshi Hinanawi's Spell Cards|Tenshi's]] ''"A spell card that violently makes the ground uneven. By thrusting the keystone into the ground with fearsome power, the reaction raises the ground level of its surroundings. Somewhat like a chest of drawers. Forcefully closing one makes the others come flying out. Can I imitate this? Nah, probably not. They're not that heavy."'' '''Can't do it if she states so.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Yukari Yakumo's Spell Cards|Yukari's]] ''"A spellcard that forces you to dodge within a border created by danmaku. This is scary. There may be many instances of having no elbow room, but not of being bordered by danmaku. That is because danmaku tend to expand. Common sense says that the volume increases and density decreases. However, Yukari's danmaku differs from this. As time passes, the border shrinks and becomes dense. When battling with an opponent, that would be the right thing to do. Put pressure on the space to stop the prey from escaping. Danmaku isn't made for an actual battle, but Yukari probably took the border between a danmaku for play and a danmaku for battle to create this barrier. That is the danmaku barrier. A bit too much for me to copy... "'' '''Is way to powerful for her to copy.'''<br />
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(Sorry, not trying to be mean, just avoid really big statements like that. Otherwise GJ!)<br />
I'd also like some "theories" on what spellcards she plans to take (Monochrome SPARK!!) and ones that she has taken from already!<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
*Oh, sorry, I thought that was already inferred/implicit. For one thing, we know she makes her master spark using her Hakkero, which Yuka probably did NOT use to make her own master spark. We also have a specific example of Marisa saying one of her spell cards was inspired by Alice, but she uses a different method to do it (IE, light instead of dolls that she won't explode because she thinks that's disturbing). And Marisa flat out states that she's terrible at making something that could mimic a slave card, which I thought obviously meant that she didn't have a way to create something that could be remote controlled (IE, obvious to the point where it didn't need to be pointed out). If the abilities section implies that she's like Gogo from Final Fantasy who can instantly mimic ANYTHING in a flash, then I guess I'll change it to make it clear that "mimic" is the case of a REALISTIC mimic. Like if you jump and I jump, I'm mimicking you. Not like if I see a dragon breathe fire, I can instantly breathe fire too. But if I find a flamethrower, I can then mimic that dragon breathing fire to some extent (I don't think it'd be very safe to hold that flamethrower so close to my mouth, tho, so I'd probably just use it like... well, how you'd use a flamethrower. The end effect is the same, just like Marisa using the Hakkero to mimic Yuka's master spark). [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 03:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
*As an aside, while Marisa is the most notorious for this due to her spell cards and Grimoire of Marisa, this is actually something that all magicians do. Marisa states in Grimoire of Marisa that it's "magicians who build on observation", not "only I who builds on observation." So technically, Patchouli and Alice learn by watching too. Just like... well... EVERY researcher, really. Actually, come to think about it, Patchouli herself says in Silent Sinner in Blue that it's a magician's pride to build upon someone else's work and add their own touch to it to make it unique. It's basically the equivalent of how any researcher builds upon others' research. Marisa just happens to be the most notorious for it. [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 03:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
*...technically, instead of "ability", this should be filed under "personality", shouldn't it? Since it's not a particular abililty but instead something Marisa is prone to do due to her personality. [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 03:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Ah right you are!<br />
But with the wiki, we must assume that the user knows absolutely nothing about these facts and we must make instances where this doesn't apply. To have all of these on that page is silly, but a few examples as u have just stated works just as well!<br />
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For your aside, you are correct again! Stating so in the article is important.<br />
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For the Technicality, parts of it should go under personality, but not the entire thing (as you said) I'm sure you know which parts go there, and I'll be on stand by to help you out!<br />
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(I also suggest changing Strength) (sounds like it belongs to Yuugi) to (Magic a better fit imo*) <br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==My edits==<br />
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Ok This is a big page and just to do things w/o rhyme and reason is bad, so lemme tell ya!<br />
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*Battle Record? I have problems accepting this term. for two reasons<br />
1. This strongly suggests that we pick a perspective and declare it as true. None of the adventures say for sure Reimu or Marisa solved the incident. (Examples )<br />
2. Speaking of it, we have to think who REALLY solved it, Reimu or Marisa? They both couldn't have and this gets even more confusing when we start adding in the others... (So I nixed it, although if we speak in Terms of power, put that in the Contemplations page)<br />
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*Danmaku that can kill? That is a bit of a large leap. We are sure that the spellcard rules are made for the Youkai to face off the current shrine maiden and this does not kill her (otherwise Hakurei Barrier breaks and is bad) I'm not even sure Danmaku hurts, so I removed that bit.<br />
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*Removed the weird relationships stuff(Or Quwanti did, but I agree with him) The characters are separated by games so listing those are speculative (most Youkai are like Hey it's Red White!) and there is enough time for the relationships to change, so let's not mess with what definitive terms are with each other.<br />
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*Rearranged a whole lot. A majority is in the Backstory<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 02:30, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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*I am not sure if you read the PC-98 Marisa sections and Seihou Marisa sections before you tried moving them since none of it actually had any relation to the backstory.<br />
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*It might be just the standard to assume that all scenarios played out even if it would seem contradictory for that to be so. That is why we are able to say, "this character says X in this scenario" without having to attach a condition, "if you play as this character with this shot type, then conversation would have occured." However, I guess that for such statements, "defeat Remilia and Yuyuko," it might be good to attach, "she was able to" or something like that.<br />
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*Not sure if you read the whole section or not, but what it actually said was that danmaku was not for killing.<br />
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In short, I am not sure if you read everything before you moved it, but some things in that edit and in your comment do not quite seem to make sense.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:There shouldn't be a PC-98/Seihou Marisa section to start with (THEY THE SAME CHARACTER). That's just like any other info around... {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 02:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::There are many people who disagree with that. In fact, PC-98 Marisa is very frequently portrayed to be a separate character from windows Marisa. That is why it is important to talk about how PC-98 Marisa is different.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::So what if people disagree. That's fandom talking. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 04:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Furthermore, it should be assumed by default that they are actually different, but that a portion from PC-98 is "carried over" into windows. ZUN himself has said so, that from windows the characters start over fresh, and that PC-98 can be disregarded, indicating that PC-98 is a somewhat separate existence (although obviously many portions are carried over, and exactly how separate it is is debatable).--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. Start over fresh, but it's just like a kid going from childhood to adulthood, starting new once again with a good job and such. There's clearly many backups to why PC-98 is widely linked to Windows (way larger than a portion), even if ZUN himself did say PC-98 is separate (maybe he just doesn't want to give info away on Yuki and Mai, or doesn't have any, but he did eventually said something about them. After all, he'll still give some good answer if he was asked something related to the PC-98 era). Also, ZUN could have avoided the 6 after MS for EoSD and create another Series or anything else, but he didn't. That must indicate that PC-98 and Windows are the same Project. Moreover, "PC-98 Marisa is very frequently portrayed to be a separate character". That's fandom talking. This wiki doesn't do fandom to official material, only under the fandom section. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 04:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::You should read [http://wayback.archive.org/web/jsp/Interstitial.jsp?seconds=5&date=1112951873000&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgensou.s93.xrea.com%2Fworld%2Fqa0301.html&target=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20050408091753%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fgensou.s93.xrea.com%2Fworld%2Fqa0301.html#03052801 this], specifically, the portion on the date 2003/05. I have translated it on the [[PC-98]] page. They are definitely separate, but a portion is carried over. The PC-98 and windows versions of the characters need to be talked about separately.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 04:13, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Furthermore, the first two answers that ZUN made [http://web.archive.org/web/20050408092238/http://gensou.s93.xrea.com/world/qa0307.html here] on 2003/08 are very revealing as well. I will translate them and put it on the [[PC-98]] page as well.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Note very carefully ZUN's reply, "definitely they have not changed." Whereas ZUN says that whatever is official is always the series' newest work, the canon of PC-98 games "have not changed". ZUN thus speaks of the canon of PC-98 as a separate entity.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::OK, now that's good proof, but I still think a section just for this isn't good. That's not the spirit of Touhou. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 01:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yes, it is in the spirit of Touhou. Separate things in PC-98 have to be noted.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::Please note that not only is this what this wiki is doing right now with the character titles (due to masuo's edit), but it is also what all the Japanese people are doing right now. Every single source separates PC-98 and Windows versions like this.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::And note that this even includes the Japanese wikipedia, which adheres strictly to canon and does not write about anything fanon at all.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::'''As for why the PC-98 Marisa is significant''': if PC-98 Marisa was not very significant, the differences could have, of course, been noted in some other paragraph, or scattered throughout. However, PC-98 Marisa has significantly been noted to be quite different. Not only is her appearance very different, but even her tone of speaking and personality are significantly different. The "ufufu" and "atai" belongs to PC-98 Marisa, whereas "da ze" belongs to windows. And other numerous differences already noted in that section - that is why it gets its own section.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I need to get my head round this........ {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 02:38, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Furthermore, it is actually significant for every character who showed up in both windows and PC-98. Though they have the same name and similar appearances, they are '''not''' the '''same''' character. So such sections should be created for Alice, Yuuka, and Reimu as well.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
Well, for what it's worth, as much as I myself kinda hate to say it since I always thought the PC-98 games were canon in some way, assuming those ZUN statements are accurate and true, I find it hard to argue against Tosiaki's reasoning. In the posted links, ZUN apparently was even specifically asked about Reimu and Alice's past and said the PC-98 games don't apply. [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 03:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I myself did not actually know this until yesterday when I looked up and translated those statements. In any case, it was somewhat late to get to know this, but at least we know this now.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:13, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Here is yet another portion from Gensou Bulletin Board that I have yet to translate before now:<br />
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{{lang|ja|Q.「アリス」は紅魔郷以前の東方シリーズに登場していたキャラなのですか?<br /><br />
A.アリスは東方怪綺談(シリーズ第5弾)でも3面ボスでした。特に関連性は無いし、思いっきり別人です(^^;ので気にしなくても大丈夫ですよ。}}<br />
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Q: Is "Alice" a character who showed up before Embodiment of Scarlet Devil?<br /><br />
A: Alice was the stage three boss of ''Mystic Square'' (fifth in the series). Particularly there is no relation, and with all one's heart a different person (and so it is even okay not to worry).<br />
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On the other hand, there was also this answer:<br />
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{{lang|ja|Q.「アリス」は怪綺談のアリスと本当に関係ないんですか?<br />
A.一応、同一人物ですが、ストーリー的には一切関係ありません。妖々夢のストーリー的にも、まるで重要な位置にいません。(というか妖々夢体験版に出てくるキャラは、全員ストーリーに無関係です(笑))}}<br />
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Q: Is there truly no relation to the "Alice" from ''Mystic Square''?<br /><br />
A: Although for once they are the same character, in terms of story it has absolutely no relation. Even in the story of ''Perfect Cherry Blossom'', it was entirely an unimportant position. (That is to say, for the characters who came out in the trial version of ''Perfect Cherry Blossom'', they are all unrelated to the story (haha))<br />
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In the end, perhaps I was incorrect in say that they were "different characters" in that they are not, but in terms of story, they are entirely unrelated. That is to say, they are the same in the sense that they are the "same" in some way, but different in appearance in personality and other things, (i. e. as if the character has been lifted into an ''alternate universe'' with no connection to the previous) so exactly what things are carried over from their previous version has to be up to interpretation (especially with "Grimoire of Alice" and the talk about "former friend,") but for all purposes, for this wiki, to treat them separately should be the way to go. That is to say, it would be appropriate to say "windows version of Alice" and "PC-98 version of Alice" but not "there are two characters named Alice."--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 04:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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That is to say, "they not ''two separate'' characters, but they are ''different'' characters" is the way to put it.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 04:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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@ Tolaski: This is true. I don't want to make another character page for Pc-98 or Seihou versions of chars as that would be unnecessary. But since as you said the story/origins has either been ambiguous or "different". Therefore that's why I proposed to place that section in the Backstory, and still keep the label as "PC-98" & "Seihou" so that backstory would be explained (for those eras) and for "2000" we will list the backstory of Marisa's Unnamed Father. If you feel that isn't sufficient enough to separate the series, a Note in italics would suffice for PC-98 and Seihou shall be placed there.<br />
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Our Concept box is getting really large and I feel that a lot of the stuff can be placed in different sections of the wiki.<br />
Also part of this is some browsers have trouble displaying pages that are very large and apart from this, aren't very attractive.<br />
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@ TiamatRoar Keep at the posting! I will sort out where the stuff should go. Try to keep them within the appropriate sections, but not not hesitate to post what you think, we need this information to be presented to have a chance at being sorted. <br />
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@ Everything else: What I propose to move what stuff and where (with reasons as to why):<br />
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Remember kids, Concept box is basically the character at a glance with materials such as Name,Appearance, Abilities, Connections to the Real World and Literature etc, inside. History intensive things goes inside Story and Theories goes in Tony64's invented Theories Section, and any connections to other charters or any place inside Gensokyo goes to Relationships. Everything else that doesn't fall in those categories must go somewhere else (and just ask if you need help placing them there!)<br />
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*PC-98 & Seihou Marisa to Backstory - Yes, I realize that this isn't part of "2000"'s backstory so using the tags "Pc-98 & Seihou" should suffice to cover this; and if not an italicized note to state so.<br />
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*Actual family to Backstory - No tags necessary, helps to show that this one belongs to "2000"<br />
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*Powerfulness to ...many things - Let's take this one bit by bit. <br />
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The first Paragraph indicated that her magic ability is notable and this warrants a tag of "Magic" <br />
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Then we go to the second Paragraph and we dive into origins which should be a synopsis which I felt does not belong in the Concept box. Origins should go under Backstory. <br />
:I am not sure how you are reading it as origins. It is simply a talk about what happened as it relates to her strength.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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The third and fourth Paragraphs then goes into a Tier related discussion. Yes, there are somewhat concrete talks of who is suppose to be stronger by who (Such as Cirno is Low Tier and Shikieiki is High Tier), but after that, we can do nothing but speculate and that belongs in the [[Contemplations]] page. Also, here we assume Marisa solved the incidents and that isn't so Reimu was always there when Marisa was involved, so we can never be sure it was Marisa or Reimu who solved the incident or even when (Did Reimu go first and then Marisa or vice versa or did one just go and the other "vanish"?) This isn't clear, but what we do know is the incidents were solved, we just can never know who did it and who (or even with who, as evidenced in PoFV) Some endings have to be assumed never happen (like Kotohime locking Reimu away or the main chars receiving a wish in PoDD; then what? Did all of them get their wishes, only one or none at all?) So as you see, it's a nightmare to figure this out, so I really suggest removing any thing that concretely states Marisa or Reimu was the one to solve an incident<br />
:I am still not sure what you mean by "tier related discussion" but the third and fourth paragraph do not contain any speculation. The third paragraph is only explaining a quote from the attached text file, and the fourth paragraph is only explaining the contents of the game itself.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Fifth Paragraph is guilty of this too.<br />
:That is not speculation either. That is also official.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Sixth Paragraph has a ZUN comment, in where this should stay... but not in the way it's being used at the moment. Where it should go is anyone's guess...<br />
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Seventh Paragraph explains the ZUN comment, which is fine, but the one explains Bosses intentions should be avoided, killing humans tends to give a Youkai a short lifespan because of the Miko so that may be why they do not kill. Also, the spellcards rules were made to fight the Shrine Maiden without endangering the Hakurei Border. There are more explanations, but it gives me a headache to list all of them so I hope I can leave it at that.<br />
:It is not explaining why the bosses do not want to kill humans. It simply says that the bosses do not want to kill humans.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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*Possessions to Can Stay - Good job on that guys! I agree with where that is 100%. This is something where the other tags can not explain.<br />
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*Occupation to Can Stay - Another job well done! That can stay because this is notable and explains what no other tag can explain if placed somewhere else.<br />
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Any questions, just ask!<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Nazeo, it still seems that you have not read what the PC-98 Marisa and Seihou Marisa sections actually say, since that part of your comment does not make sense. It would not make sense at all to move it to "backstory" at all, as none of it is related to backstory.<br />
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Also, I am not exactly sure what you mean by "Tiers," but this is not about speculation who she is stronger than or whatnot. It is not for speculating what characters she is stronger than but to give a concrete picture of what her strength is overall. As exactly how powerful Marisa is is perhaps one of the unclearest of all, that is why it is notable enough. In the [[Cirno]] article, it covers pretty much the same things in "Abilities," but for Marisa, it is more complicated. As stated earlier, perhaps the words "she was able to" should be added in front of sentences like "defeated Remilia and Yuyuko" but that does not mean that it is untrue.<br />
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Yes, there may be ten sub-sections in "Concept" right now, but the additional eight after "name" and "appearance" were the ones that I thought important to her character as a concept. So, now that I have completed adding those, there should not be expected to be much more than that.<br />
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Now as for size. If pages get too large, it would indeed be troublesome. However, the point at which one really needs to be careful about that is in the 200kb range. Right now, it is at about 100kb, only about 20kb larger than the [[Reimu Hakurei]] page. Before moving meaningful content out of the article, it should first be clear that such a thing actually is needed.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I did in fact read the Pc-98 and Seihou sections and like the one in Powerfulness, it's all over the place.<br />
Like with the one with "Powerfullness", I wanted to delete that section but I attempted to work with it.<br />
Besides, here is my strongest criticism for it:<br />
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Both sections read like this is meant for a Character page all crammed into one section which detracts from the attractiveness of the page.<br />
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What do I mean?<br />
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1st Paragraph is a appearance description.<br />
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2nd Paragraph and down then bounce between relationships she had (Reimu etc) and ends with extrapolation with her name... If we were to keep this, we seriously need to rearrange these sections as they are all over the place (and right now it reads like a trivia page...)<br />
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I will give you the point that perhaps it doesn't make sense for it to go in the Backstory, but for the purpose of everything we should rewrite it so it does.<br />
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For your tier comment, I must say that again, Tiers is assessing a power level which is vague for any character. In comparison Cirno is probably the weakest but the full extent for it is unknown. With Shikieiki, it is said that Reimu, Yukari and Yuyuko can't defeat her, but again, what is strong really? I must also say that you assume it was Marisa who defeated these people when it could've been Reimu who did it. ZUN made it so you can play the game, the incident gets solved and you can sleep soundly at night thinking the girl you picked did it, but he was also smart enough to make it so it wasn't expressly said who solved it. I appreciate the genius of this as this way the players can enjoy which heroine they pick and ZUN avoids contradicting himself in future games. So let's not assume things, that is bad. The most we can do with this is place this unsure stuff in the Contemplations page where it belongs. Besides I must disagree with strength anyway as the spellcard rules make it so you can face off against someone like Yuuka and still have a "Fair fight" as the Youkai hold back so this can never be exact. This was so the Youkai and humans can settle disagreements peacefully this way and it's "Fair on each side". <br />
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If you want the sources, I got plenty.<br />
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For Size, it still a lot on that page, and I want to trim it down a lot more, but this should be fixed on it's on if the other stuff were to happen.<br />
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Anyway, there is an obvious difference in opinion, so we will sort this out on [[User talk:Nazeo/Standardization of Character Pages#Final Standardization|Final Standardization]] until we have concrete descriptions.<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 00:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The purpose of the PC-98 and Seihou Marisa sections is to give an overview on the differences in personality and appearance and other things from the windows version of Marisa. Surely it belongs in no other section than "Concept." It would be a mess to scatter it all across the article, especially since PC-98 and Seihou Marisa are different, which is why they are each one section.<br />
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:Furthermore, the power level of each character is definitely something that belongs in concept. If it is vague, then what needs to be done is to say what the original work says about them, and say that it is vague (as the section is saying right now). Contemplations are for speculations that do not talk much about what relates directly to the original work - nothing in the "powerfulness" section does that - just the bare facts from the original work. As I have said, perhaps the words, "she was able to," should be added to "defeated Remilia and Yuyuko" but the same point is made. For example, I guess one could say, "in Marisa's scenarios in Embodiment of Scarlet Devil and in Marisa scenarios in Perfect Cherry Blossom, she was able to defeat Remilia and Yuyuko" but I cut out the beginning because that part should already be understood. Furthermore, "strength" can mean many things, and it was made clear in the last paragraph that "strength" here means "strength within the bounds of the spell card rules."<br />
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:Also, size is not really a good reason to erase important information that actually does belong on the page.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, fair, I'm not against the sections themselves, it's just they look awkward there. But you do bring up a point scattering this all over the page would be tragic. So, we need a different approach, if this is going to be part A to Part B, then let's rewrite the article so we can have them in the Backstory nice and proper for such a change to be made. If you are worried about accomplishing this yourself, don't be as I am willing to lend a hand for this cause.<br />
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The power levels, again, I agree, but to a extent. I am all for the first 24 words (which is the sentence "As a human Marisa's true strength is such that she is able to use the highest class of magic power and things like that") but after that, it begins to go dangerously into speculation. For your vagueness argument, yes it can be extrapolated upon, but not within that section (Take that into the Contemplations). Yes, it can be reasonably inferred that she could take on baddies like Yuyuko and Remilia,but the way it's stated bothers me very much and I listed my reason above. Lastly, the "strength" is irrelevant, using my past example, Cirno has an equal chance of taking on Shikieiki and winning, so this becomes void. (Check out PoFV, you'll begin to see what I meant by ZUN's genius of not saying who did what,when, etc [[Phantasmagoria_of_Dim.Dream/Story#Kotohime.27s_Ending|if at all]].)<br />
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For your size counterpoint, I meant to say that we can rewrite this while keeping the important stuff and still be able to trim this down. Some pieces I still strongly feel should be in different sections.<br />
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I ask again to please hold on until we sort this out @ [[User talk:Nazeo/Standardization of Character Pages#Final Standardization|Final Standardization]] (I posted and will keep posting), otherwise we'll have gridlock and that's no good<br />
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:I am not exactly sure how many times this needs to be stated, but none of the stuff in the PC-98 Marisa and PC-98 Seihou sections belong to "backstory." All of it is firmly things within "concept."<br />
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:I am not sure what you mean by "it can be reasonably inferred." It is not a just "reasonable inference." The fact that one is able to complete the final stage with Marisa on any of the games is simple verification directly from the original work.<br />
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:Furthermore, strength is a relevant part of a character's concept. Even within spellcard rules, there exists a concept as "strength." As noted in the [[Cirno]] page, even when she defeated Aya and Yuuka, the opponent was unhurt and she ran away from Yuuka after winning.<br />
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:Now thinking about this, perhaps the section should indeed be renamed back to "strength" rather than "powerfulness." I am not sure why you might think strength would be talking about Yuugi, but when Cirno says "I'm the strongest," I am pretty sure everyone knows what "strength" here means.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I agree with Nazeo. Sure it may not fit under backstory, but it should not be where it is now (as we know they the same character) and that spell cards come into all this as I also agree that most of the stuff under Strenth is aiming at speculation. Also, it seems I need to add this to my sandbox... {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 15:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Perhaps if you want to say that there is speculation in "strength," you should point out what exactly is speculating. For example, Nazeo specifically said paragraphs three and four were speculating. However, the third paragraph only concerned a quote from official material, and the fourth paragraph is only an overview of what happened (or was able to happen) in the official work. I am not sure how that is "speculation."<br />
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:Also, although they have the same "identity," they are not really the same character. That is why the PC-98 Marisa and Seihou Marisa are introduced separately - because '''they are separate in all aspects of character and concept.''' Therefore, it should probably stay as is.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 16:44, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Do note that although the PC-98 versions of the characters are "same" in some sense, that in actuality in all aspects of concept they are separate - that is why it is all explained in a separate section.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Therefore, I do have to say: it would not be a good idea to take apart the PC-98 and Seihou Marisa sections. As they are separate concepts, they should '''not''' be mixed in with other things throughout the page.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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'''If it really does not go good on the page''', then perhaps one should consider creating separate pages for the PC-98 versions of the characters. Though they are the same character, they are different in all aspects from story to personality and therefore are practically different characters. It would definitely not be a good idea to mix in PC-98 information in with the rest of the article, so perhaps it could simply be moved to its own article, and a note can be given on the page that it is the same character - but a different version of the character.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 19:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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'''In fact''', perhaps creating separate pages for the PC-98 version might just be the best idea if one really wants to move this outside of the page itself. There are many instances outside of Touhou where characters in one universe have been re-used in another universe with no connection in story to their previous, and with various changes in personality and appearance (as is the case here). Though they have been noted to be the "same" in some sense, they are still practically treated as different characters, and are mentioned completely separately from each other. That could be applied here as well - if a "PC-98 Marisa" does not belong in concept, perhaps it would be much better in its own article.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 19:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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And do note, that this approach of creating separate articles is actually what the entire Japanese world has been doing for the longest time (I did not quite know why they were doing it until I read the three comments from ZUN).--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 19:21, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok, I'll start with the Yuugi thing and work my way down from there. I was using strength as an example because strength is an innate characteristic of the Oni and should be noted as "Strength". So, now that's clarified, I'll move on.<br />
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:It's my turn to reiterate that PC-98 & Seihou '''SHOULD''' be rewritten so it fits better in Backstory. <br />
:I say this because as Ibaraki Ibuki (and was my position)stated the backstory is "to explain the parts of the story that were not mentioned in the source material in great detail" and what better way to do this with the PC-98 & Seihou sections. <br />
:You are right, as there are '''NOW''' it wouldn't make sense; but rewriting this would fix this. <br />
:Oh, and we are not going to have separate pages for PC-98 and Seihou as they are the same person and is redundant.<br />
:This also confuses the User because two character pages suggests that they are two different people.<br />
::If the separate page says, "PC-98 Alice is the same character as the windows Alice" somewhere near the beginning, I think that it should be fine.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:There have been instances where PC-98 has had an impact on Windows era. For example, when Yuuka comes back (PoFV) she says "Ah, you're still alive? You've grown up quite a bit." which this connection has PC-98 roots. Or when Alice says "Long time no see." when she sees Reimu.<br />
:You no longer get to say that they are different people with my evidence.<br />
::That is a too over-confident. Whether those are really connected to PC-98 are debatable.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::True, I may have been a little, but continue reading to see my other reasons why not.<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Your "Well, Japan does it argument" holds no water, because then I get to say "We are the English Wiki, so we get to treat them as the same character."<br />
::To treat them as the same character makes no sense, as they are different. Yes, they are the "same" character in a sense, but even ZUN said, "with all one's heart a different character." As they have different personalities, appearances, and stories, they are effectively different characters, even if they are "somehow" the same.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:07, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::I know what are trying to say and I will attempt to prove this by example.<br />
:::I have been cryogentically frozen and appear in the future. Nothing else has changed except I don't mention much about the past and pretty much live in the future as if I was always there.<br />
:::Sigh... But the main reason why the Main Chars do not get a Pc-98 page is because they reappear in Windows.<br />
:::(This is why the Char Box's Picture is changed)<br />
:::You see, they are continually evolving, changing and they do refer to their past experiences as well.<br />
:::If the Probability Space Hypervessel (contains Yumemi Okazaki & Chiyuri Kitashirakawa came back in Windows, we simply give the pages a makeover; we don't make a new character page named "Windows Yumemi" & "Windows Chiyuri".<br />
:::That is my strongest argument for this.<br />
::::Perhaps you should pay more attention to ZUN's statements on the Gensou Bulletin Board that are translated on the [[PC-98]] page. He said it himself that they are not canon.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::''"Well, Japan does it argument" holds no water'' - I would say otherwise. It is true that they are not 100% right all the time, but they should be looked to as a rough guide (at least for things for which we do not suspect they borrowed from this wiki), since they have more experience with this than we do.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Aw, but see, I want to be (and I'm sure the others as well) want to be as independent from other wikis as much as possible.<br />
:::I'm sure they have great insight, but let's have our own "style"<br />
::::We can have our own "style," but when it comes to statements that are either true or false, such as connections to PC-98, I do not think there is a good reason to say they are wrong, especially when the sources proving them are given.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Now time for your concept of "strength" You state that the opponent was unhurt.<br />
:Why should they?<br />
:That is a great leap to suggest that Danmaku inflicts pain (as I stated before).<br />
:There is no way of knowing (yet) or evidence that states Danmaku hurts people. <br />
::I never suggested that danmaku physically injures people. However, people do become tired or exhausted afterwards, and their graphics do change to "sad expressions" and things like that. Perhaps "hurt" might not have been the best word, but in any case, it is not nothing.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::True, that much can be confirmed. <br />
:::But with all of these I approach it on how would a User interpret it. <br />
:::(Trust me, I know what you are trying to do, I'm giving you hard time because I must represent the User perspective)<br />
::::In any case, that is no excuse for removing information that actually pertains to a character's concept. Rather, it would mean that it should simply be worded differently.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Also, how do we know Cirno didn't run from Yuuka because she might squash her outside of the spellcard rules, or she is unpleasantness, or she has bad breath? <br />
:You see? <br />
:Speculation drives further and further from the facts and as a wiki we must absolutely avoid doing this.<br />
::It is not speculation. It said it in the PoFV script.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Hahahaha, yes I was attempting more of a joke with the bad breath one. I'm just saying, the page leaves much to the imagination and we need to be very specific on the wiki to avoid said imagination.<br />
::::(As in previous comment) that just means that it needs to be re-worded as such.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Now look, I'm not saying the concept of strength isn't there; I'm saying that the current way it's explained is horrendous.<br />
:Do '''NOT''' rename back to strength, as I said before, let's hold on and begin addressing things in the Standardized Pages<br />
:Oh, and here is my favorite part, you ask which parts speculating, here I point everything out.<br />
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3.In the attached text file for Imperishable Night, it said "Since the player characters are of the Last Boss class (But Reimu and the gang are stronger than that last boss class) the enemies' abilities are quite strong from the start. I think." This statement, "stronger than that last boss class", thus has a very high possibility of including Marisa as well. However, it is unclear whether or not this statement is limited to just danmaku fights or if it also includes the case if they truly fought to try to defeat each other.<br />
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S: "In the attached text file for Imperishable Night, it said "Since the player characters are of the Last Boss class (But Reimu and the gang are stronger than that last boss class) the enemies' abilities are quite strong from the start"<br />
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N: Ok, I'm ok with that- <br />
S:"This statement, "stronger than that last boss class", thus has a very high possibility of including Marisa as well. However, it is unclear whether or not this statement is limited to just danmaku fights or if it also includes the case if they truly fought to try to defeat each other." <br />
N: Now why did you have to say that? Particularity the "it is unclear part"? Why throw out there if we aren't sure ourselves? I feel this section befuddles the readers unnecessarily, especially with playing the game in which they defeat them '''WITH DANMAKU'''<br />
:There is a difference between pure speculation and making reasonable deductions interpretations. The original statement said, {{lang|ja|霊夢達}}. It is therefore a reasonable interpretation '''based on language''' that it means Marisa as well. The character {{lang|ja|達}} is a pluralizing suffix. Explaining the meaning of such words as {{lang|ja|霊夢達}} is not speculation - it is simply explaining language.--~~~~<br />
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4. If one looks at what has officially been her confrontations in the past, although one would notice that in Marisa's scenarios in various games, she was able to defeat such last bosses as Remilia Scarlet and Yuyuko Saigyouji, there were also scenarios in Phantasmagoria of Flower View where she was defeated when she went up against Cirno and Mystia Lorelei and others. In the story of Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, she defeated many youkai and human opponents, but on the other hand, within the image of being a "main character" she and Reimu did not overwhelmingly defeat those other youkai and humans. Furthermore, at the very end, the story ends with her being defeated along with Reimu by Tenshi Hinanawi giving forth her true effort. <br />
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S: "If one looks at what has officially been her confrontations in the past, although one would notice that in Marisa's scenarios in various games, she was able to defeat such last bosses as Remilia Scarlet and Yuyuko Saigyouji, there were also scenarios in Phantasmagoria of Flower View where she was defeated when she went up against Cirno and Mystia Lorelei and others."<br />
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N: Well, as stated before, there is no way to say Marisa's story actually happened, just everything got solved in the end (ZUN's genius, remember?) So not speculation per se, but a statement that is politically incorrect.<br />
::I am not sure what you mean by "politically incorrect," but it has now been changed not even to imply that Marisa's story happened. Perhaps you missed the words, "in Marisa's scenarios," pointing out that these happened in Marisa's scenarios.--~~~~<br />
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S:In the story of Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, she defeated many youkai and human opponents, but on the other hand, within the image of being a "main character" she and Reimu did not overwhelmingly defeat those other youkai and humans<br />
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N: Again, same thing, did she really(She may, she may have not). I can understand the point being made with the state of being a main character, but still, with the previous statements is null.<br />
::On the other hand, Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, as opposed to the shooting games has a certain storyline that actually goes in order. Therefore, it actually certainly happened in any storyline.--~~~~<br />
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:Oh, and I assume the above quotes are true in this assessment, since I can't find the none of the blasted quotes and their sources.<br />
::[[Imperishable_Night/Translation/Demo_Afterword|Here]], it states the relevant quote (of course, the translated version of this is currently on the page now): {{lang|ja|霊夢達はそのラス/ボスクラスより強いのだが}} (the slash is a line break). It's obvious that {{lang|ja|霊夢達}} would include Marisa in this statement.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:A lot of this reads and feels like glorified trivia, and the most I can do with power assessments is the contemplation page. <br />
::Surely what the official work says about their power is something that belongs in concept. I am not exactly sure why something should go into contemplations if it is official.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:09, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, no I'm not denouncing the importance of Official works (Yukari says Shikieiki is tougher than herself, Reimu and Yuyuko combined etc) I guess my point here is there is no easy way to state this without tailspinning especially if other character's "power levels" are mostly unknown. So a page dedicated to this may be in order (I push Contemplation so hard because the unsure stuff allows for it being stated in that page, but something like that can work as well.)<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::However, certain things about strength are not unknown, and are actually made clear officially. I think that those things are a part of a character's concept.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll tell you what doesn't fix this; Using the Concept Box as a junk yard with what's mainly trivia.<br />
::If you think it is a junk yard, you should point out specifically what you mean.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Okey dokey then, let me explain first in the big picture kind of sense. <br />
:::The stuff on the page when I first open it, should be able to navigate it (it being the Contents Box) without scrolling down too much. <br />
:::This is bad. <br />
:::With the page as it's now, it is even bigger than the Character Box! <br />
:::You can't even see the Concept Stuff without scrolling anymore, which is detrimental to the page being easily accessible.<br />
::::If that is so, then perhaps the character summary above the contents box should be shortened. As stated earlier, perhaps the "general outline" section would be a good idea to shorten the text above.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Why do I say Junk Yard?<br />
:::Now I use this as part of the small stuff.<br />
:::We have Strength (Which what you are trying to state as "Fighting Ability" unless I'm wrong, plz correct me) which I feel should have a page to it's self, and it doesn't have to be Contemplations, but I feel it shouldn't be there.<br />
::::Strengh is a definitely a part of concept. In Perfect Memento in Strict Sense, each character was even given a "threat level," and words like {{lang|ja|強い}} and {{lang|ja|強さ}} (translation: strong, strength) a repeatedly used.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I mean, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a large portion of Perfect Memento in Strict Sense devoted to how strong each one is?--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Then we move on to Possessions and then to Pc-98 and Seihou. Umm... kinda odd transition...<br />
:::Then the last thing is her family which I still feel should be in the backstory, even though she almost never mentions this in her dialogues in the game, but remember, Touhou is in literature as well, and we incorporate both. <br />
:::The page itself is largely game based, so stating the Literature material (or any medium for the matter) will help alleviate confusion.<br />
:::It's not all bad though(I feel Possessions, Occupation and the Other Abilities *after disambiguated* were wonderful additions to the wiki), those 4 (Strength, PC-98 Marisa & Seihou Marisa, and Actual family) are just my biggest concerns and is why I bash on them so much<br />
::::As for PC-98 Marisa, and Seihou Marisa, it is the standard. Even the [[wikipedia:ja:霧雨魔理沙|Japanese wikipedia]], which strictly writes about canon, does this.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I seriously mean this; it detracts from the wiki's attractiveness and it loses navigation when it's cluttered with a whole bunch of tags.<br />
:This stuff needs a revamp and as much as I don't want to, I'm stopping Char Page edits until we all can get a agreement on the [[User talk:Nazeo/Standardization of Character Pages#Final Standardization|Character Pages]].<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::All of my counter-arguments are within your comments - I hope that that isn't inconvenient. In any case, refer to my counter-arguments that I have inserted to each part.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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No no, that's fine.<br />
(Although this is going to be fun to refer to now, lol, just look how this will be navigated, lol)<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Additional statement about PC-98 Marisa and Seihou Marisa: perhaps one could say "it is not in the spirit of Touhou," but that is absolutely not true. They have actually been separate for the longest time - the English world just didn't know about it. Even the [[wikipedia:ja:霧雨魔理沙|Japanese wikipedia]], which is very strictly about canon material, does this.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Clarification about {{lang|ja|あなたが、コンティニュー出来ないのさ!}} ==<br />
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Since this page cites the fact that Flandre said {{lang|ja|あなたが、コンティニュー出来ないのさ!}} to Marisa, I would like to clear up what it means here. It has been suggested that this breaks the fourth wall, and in fact, it definitely does. If one looks at their previous statements, Flandre said "one coin," to which Marisa replied, "you can't buy a life with that." The fact that Flandre says this "Continue" ({{lang|ja|コンティニュー}} next makes it pretty clear what this "Continue" means.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 23:25, 13 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hard-working ethic ==<br />
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My main problem for removal was that it did not fit in that particular section - it has nothing to do wither her ability to use magic. Or at least I didn't think at the time when I took it out. If you want to include hard-work ethic as a reason as to why she's successful at using magic, it needs to be in its own paragraph. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 04:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Since she is a magician as an occupation, and all of this hard work is related to her magical experiments and her usage of magic, the fact that she is hard working is very much related to her usage of magic, is it not? At least that is how I am thinking currently. Anyways, I guess it would be better as its own paragraph.--05:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::The problem with that paragraph is that it discusses more about herself being possibly found out than about actual rigor. This is someting I would be inclined to put in Trivia rather than in that section. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 05:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::I guess that it actually talks more about how Marisa performs her honest work in magic "unseen" even though it was still found out by others - but still, the way that Marisa performs her magic experiments (i. e. unseen by others) - doesn't that relate directly to her magic? At least it seems so as of now.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:47, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::Well it's more that the mushroom collecting itself and preparation is directly tied with her ability to use magic. She uses mushrooms as ammo. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 06:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::The mushrooms are indeed items that she uses, but as stated in the "ability" section of her entry in Perfect Memento, it is only after the result of "magical experimentation" that she gets the finished product. In fact, the "ability" section of her entry in Perfect Memento is mostly about her magical experimentation.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:12, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cut from General Outline ==<br />
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I have cut the following from the general outline, as I don't think they should be in the lead. They would however be more appropriate for other sections.<br />
:According to ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', it is strange for a human to have mastery of this level of magic, and it's possible that she may become a magician as a species.<ref name="gumon_117-120">[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]] - [[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense/Marisa Kirisame|Marisa Kirisame]]</ref> In [[Imperishable Night]], she showed interest in immortality and eternal youth, but was unclear whether she aspired to become a magician by species.<br />
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:Relation to martial arts, unneeded.<br />
:From the edit summary - "Counterpoints: Not always narrow (MoF; UFO); focus on Marisa not Reimu. General Outline is not the place to be explaining intricate details about the character." <br />
[[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 05:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess that it might not belong there - I shall look at where else to put this.<br />
::The thing about martial arts is stating that her speed and power is not physical. It does seem somewhat of a basic fact that magicians "are strong, but physically weak," although I guess it was somewhat worded badly.<br />
::I guess that the last point might have been too specific, but it did have a more general idea that Marisa has been given favorable treatment despite being a supporting character.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Marisa is as much as a protagonist as Reimu, so it's not surprising that both are given equal treatment. That being said, Reimu is used more in scoring runs...<br />
:::Now, regarding the "Strength" section. I am having a bit of a hard time trying to follow and reword this. As well, I interpret <br />
::::"Even when Reimu and the gang are defeated they challenge again however many times they want, but on the youkai side they do not challenge again after being defeated, and are not attached to the results of winning or losing..., to say it clearly it is assuredly an inconsequential thing^^;"<br />
:::as ZUN trying to handwave game mechanics and break the fourth wall. This is pretty much what happens when people play the Touhou games - they play as the protag. If the player gets "defeated, (he) challenges again however many times (he) wants". Youkai/computer part is also true. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 05:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Well, the fourth wall is broken in Touhou Project several times, not just in this instance. I think that it means that after losing and experiencing the bad endings, they challenge again until they get the good ending. As a player would, of course.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::For that reason though, I can't really use it to argue powerlevels. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 06:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well, that part is there to qualify the fact that she was able to resolve incidents - although she has enough power to be able to defeat last bosses and resolve incidents, this part is to explain that it might have taken several tries.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I mean, IMO, it's too much handwaving by ZUN to be properly applied in canon, which is why I'm hesitant to use that quote. For example, it is potentially incompatible with UFO's bad endings.[[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 06:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::It must be noted, though, that the place where that quote comes from (the former Gensou Bulletin Board) are pretty much all serious in the answers that ZUN gives to questions, spelling out a number of important things, which is why it is taken to be authoritative. So no matter how handwavy it seems, I think it should be taken to mean what it is.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:52, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I still believe that, despite how serious it may seem, it can be taken out of context. Notwithstanding that, the nature of danmaku battles themselves means that anybody has a chance to win, and could apply to any character really. <br />
:Also, I still have a problem with this sentence:<br />
::However, in various games, she had unusually high attack power and had been given favorable treatment compared to others, meaning that ZUN probably still likes her as well, despite being a supporting character.<br />
:ZUN, by necessity, has to balance his protagonists for his shooting games. Having high attack power is meaningless. I can turn around and counterargue that "Reimu had an unusually small hitbox and has been given favourable treatment compared to the others". Also, since when did being a supporting character mean that ZUN doesn't like her? Heck, he made an entire book dedicated to her. And Aya. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 07:03, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Well, without the specific examples, (and without the quote saying that she has an existence a human of a level close to us), it might be a little more unclear, but it was referring specifically to the unusual instances of what the fans call "Marisu-Cannon" in Imperishable Night (See [http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/マリス砲 here]) and also to laser Marisa's unusual attack power in Mountain of Faith, as well as the differences of her treatment compared to others in Subterranean Animism (that it is quite noticeable).<br />
::Reimu obviously already has favorable treatment - she is the main character and has been said by ZUN to be the strongest in Gensokyo (and whether this is a joke or not, there is probably a reason for it). But to say that Marisa is a "sub-character" or "supporting/minor character" (which is what {{lang|ja|脇役}} means) does have strong implications that she might not be favored, which is why that last part is there - to say that she is indeed favored.<br />
::In any case, since you asked about it, it seems quite unclear, so perhaps better wording is needed there.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 07:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Additionally, I do think there is a merit to re-introducing the quote from ZUN so that it is in blockquote format rather than a footnote. It does seem to be an important quote, although it might not be translated the best way - but to say it in a quote, rather than to merely paraphrase it would reveal fully that it is what ZUN's attitude towards her is, and it is the most important quote from ZUN about her. It must be noted that the Japanese wikipedia on Marisa quotes it at the very beginning of the first section of her page - see [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9C%A7%E9%9B%A8%E9%AD%94%E7%90%86%E6%B2%99 here]. The Japanese Wikipedia especially focuses on talking only about what is important, so if it is included in this way, I think that it really shouldn't just be a footnote. Tentatively, I shall re-add the quote as it was previously, although I do realize that perhaps the translation should be made better.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 07:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::As I mentioned before, in each game, each character has to be roughly even-powered out of necessity. This is a basic tenet of game design. You cannot have a game with one character being absurdly more powerful than the other (that being said, ZUN isn't perfect). You don't let any possible bias against one of your own characters affect how powerful she should be. Both Malice Cannon and Marisa B(orked) arose from game bugs. Having to mash SHIFT to trigger Malice Cannon (and Sticky Keys) is not a feature. Having to be unfocused b/w a certain number range is not a feature. They were unintended. If you want to stipulate that Marisa is not just a supporting character, using games (i.p. mechanics) as a source is not the way to go. Using SaBND, OSP, GoM, etc. would be far more convincing.<br />
:::And even as a sub character, that doesn't stop her inclusion in every game with Reimu in it. Every other character may as well be sub-sub-characters too.<br />
:::I strongly recommend against the use of block quotes for short quotes, just to emphasize a point. They are unsightly, and detract from the rest of the article. Wikipedia's guidelines reserve them for "more than about 40 words or a few hundred characters, or consisting of more than one paragraph, regardless of length". If it's that important, a direct quote w/ ref is sufficient. If the quote is that important, perhaps a section can be devoted to it. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 07:57, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess that what you say is true - however, as for her favorable treatment in Subterranean Animism, it seems to be something else, not arising from in-game mechanics. I shall look into that more. I shall also look into how to better incorporate the quote into the section rather than use a blockquote.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 08:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I have cut the following from trivia, for various reasons. They are either redundant or better put in an existing section.<br />
::*She is known for "copying" attacks from enemies she has fought, namely Non-Directional Laser from [[Patchouli Knowledge]] and Master Spark from [[Yuuka Kazami]]. Additionally, the green projectiles that she fires as a playable character seem to have been lifted from Reimu (see ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'') and the overall astronomy theme to her magic seems to have been learned from [[Mima]] (see ''Story of Eastern Wonderland'' when Marisa served Mima - Mima used [[Immaterial and Missing Power/Spell Cards/Marisa Kirisame|Orreries Sun]] during the last boss fight). Moreover, she used [[Alice Margatroid|Alice]]'s Artful Sacrifice as reference for her Shoot the Moon spell card.<br />
::*Marisa has a hobby of collecting things, whether they already belong to someone or not. It is stated that she never throws away anything she collects, which results in her house being the messiest in Gensokyo. However, she seems to collect items without knowing their true value; Rinnosuke once finds an ancient sword, namely the famous [[wikipedia:Kusanagi|Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi]] in a pile of scrap metal she owns.<br />
::[referring to Kirisame Magic Shop] (which does anything, from gambling predictions to youkai extermination to, according to Alice, plumbing)<br />
::[referring to Hakkero] a mini furnace in the shape of an octagonal block with the eight trigrams printed in a circle on its front; (it fits easily in the hand); Despite being a western style magician and fitting the classic image of a witch, Marisa's most precious item is an eastern style [[Hakkero]]. Despite its small size, it is a potent source of magical energy and has the firepower to burn down a mountain. Marisa usually uses it like a normal furnace and treats it with good care. It is the only treasure Marisa collected that is used and taken care of on a regular basis. Marisa is frequently depicted using the Hakkero to power her Master Spark. The original Hakkero was an item in the Chinese classic "Journey to the West", where it was used by gods to create spiritual medicine.<br />
::*Marisa is the Extra boss of ''Fairy Wars''. After Cirno defeats the other fairies, Marisa comes by and to her bewilderment is attacked by the fired-up ice fairy. Upon defeat, Cirno crows about her victory and flies off, but Marisa reveals she was holding back, although she notes not to underestimate fairies in the future.<br />
:[[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 18:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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In case it may be questionable that I re-added the first thing cut from general outline into "abilities," it is because it was mentioned in Perfect Memento precisely in Marisa's "Ability" section. In fact, it probably does have more to do with Marisa's ability more than anything else.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:18, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't mind if the info gets added/moved, so long as redundancy is avoided, language is concise, and it fits okay in the section. For instance, your new info (Marisa's future aspirations) made a trivia mention redundant. <br />
::*There have been several hints that Marisa might become a youkai [[magician]] in the future; [[Hieda no Akyuu|Akyuu]] comments on the possibility in her Perfect Memento article, and in ''Undefined Fantastic Object'', she becomes evasive when [[Minamitsu Murasa]] points out that she's human after Marisa expresses interest going to Makai "as a magician" (though this could be explained by Marisa having tried to claim she was already a youkai).<br />
:[[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 03:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Game Appearance Tally ==<br />
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Are we counting endings for the purposes of counting number of appearances in games? If so, FW does feature Reimu in an ending. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 18:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Appearances in endings may or may not be counted - so there are effectively three ways of counting:<br />
#Appearances in the middle of the game<br />
#Appearances in the middle of the game + ending<br />
#Appearances in the middle of the game + ending + attached text files<br />
:I think that #1 way of counting is primary but #2 or #3 way of counting can additionally be noted if it is relevant to the context.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 23:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Along with Yumemi Okazaki, Soga no Tojiko and Remilia, Marisa is one of the four Touhou characters to officially curse in-game." ? ==<br />
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Maybe it's just I don't have the knowledge in English but I'm asking anyway. What does "curse" in this sentence mean? I've looked up the dictionary ([http://www.thefreedictionary.com/curse TheFreeDictionary]) but I can't find a meaning that matches the context here.--[[User:Doncot|Doncot]] ([[User talk:Doncot|talk]]) 05:57, 10 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
:Definition 4. A swearword. As far as I've heard, in some English translations, a colorful swear was chosen where it was believed to match the context. For instance, in Imperishable Night, Marisa once said "bitch." Of course, this is misleading, and as far as I know, no one in Touhou actually swears. Marisa's dialogue on the wiki has since been changed, but the misconception still exists. <br />
:But if it's true that no character actually swears, then curses or mentions of them doing so (like this trivia) should be removed. [[User:UTW|UTW]] 06:15, 10 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
::Well the concept of "swearing" in Japanese is very different from that in English (we actually don't have "swear words" in Japanese. We do have "vulgar", "dirty", "dishonorable" and "socially unacceptable" words, but I think normal English speakers will have different impressions from these to "swear words"), and that description is short-mindedly only standing on the viewpoint of the "translated English", so yes I believe it should be removed.--[[User:Doncot|Doncot]] ([[User talk:Doncot|talk]]) 07:02, 10 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Redundancy in the Page ==<br />
There are some things mentioned more than once on this page. Examples:<br />
*Marisa's magic is the result of her hard work, but she hides that from other people.<br />
*Marisa's broom has shown signs of life (sprouting leaves) due to exposure to magic.<br />
*Her magic abilities are unusually powerful for a human.<br />
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I am not sure how much redundancy is allowable due to the relevancy of the information to different sections, but I do think there is too much repetition across this article.<br />
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- [[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 18:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Marisa_Kirisame&diff=328380Talk:Marisa Kirisame2014-09-20T18:05:16Z<p>Karob: </p>
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<div>{{Project Characters Notice}}<br />
==Ordinary, or Queer==<br />
Eh? I know about her evil personality but I thought she was an "ordinary" witch?<br />
Still, great stuff to have a translation =)--[[User:ChronoReverse|ChronoReverse]] 20:26, 18 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
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'Queer' is a horrible translation in everyway possible. It's the exact opposite in fact! Marisa is supposed to be the "Ordinary witch" with her broom and a hut in forest. --[[User:Sssssz|Sssssz]] 00:32, 23 Apr 2005 (PDT)<br />
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Queer, Strange or whatever you would like... strangely she's described as "奇妙な (Queer)" in EoSD text.<br />
However, in PCB and later series she's refered as "普通の (Ordinary)"... I wonder what caused ZUN to describe her in completely opposite way. -- Aona<br />
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It also seems to fluctuate between "normal" and "normal black" magician. I guess ZUN was drunk and forgot? --nameless fairy<br />
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: Even when Marisa solves the mysterious problem or rushes in, she calls herself "ordinary". Of course, she is not "ordinary", but it's a comedic or ironic manner. It must show how Marisa's personality is: she doesn't want to be too proud of her job and she trys to deceive not to be blamed of burglar.<br />
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==Did she really?==<br />
That "Marisa is the person who actually taught Reimu how to fly."... where did you read about this?<br/><br />
I don't think I've read something like this in official sources I've been reading in past... well, perhaps Puregirl CoLA?<br/><br />
If it's fan-fiction stuff, please state so in same line like other fan-thing in Fan Facts (like Chugoku and such).<br />
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:Oops, I must have gotten that into my mind from watching too much of Touhou 2's Bad Endings and Marisa trying to train(?) Reimu with stuff. Retracting immediately. --[[User:Leviathean|Leviathean]] 07:26, 14 Jun 2005 (PDT)<br />
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Help...<br />
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She is a complex lose-hater that hates a lose-hater whose elicit their sign of being lose-hater.<br />
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As is the nature of a magician, she is very intelligent, but does NOT act cynically nor sets off Cobalt Bomb with shout of "Fuck you, Human!!"<br />
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== Collectomaniac or Kleptomaniac? ==<br />
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Apparently I noticed this a while ago, and it bugged me.<br />
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Some of Marisa's profiles (the *.txt files) translated on this article use the word "collectomaniac" instead of "kleptomaniac".<br />
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Is this translation literal in context (ie, a translated pun with the kanji) or is it a mistake (the two words sound familiar, seem to have the same meaning, but one isn't real)?<br />
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Kleptomania's definition:<br />
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[[Wikipedia:Kleptomania]]<br />
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kleptomania<br />
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-Inu<br />
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I think "collectomaniac" is what they're going for. Marisa doesn't steal from compulsion, she does it because...well...she's Marisa. The "collectomaniac" part is from a few references (mostly in CoLA) that she likes to collect stuff and doesn't like to throw anything away. For instance, Kourin found a legendary sword in a scrap pile that Marisa kept just because she didn't wanna throw away a pile of scrap.<br />
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[[User:Luceid|Luceid]] 07:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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An old subject, but a compulsive collector could be called a [[wikipedia:compulsive hoarding|Syllogomaniac]]. Though that might assume she doesn't consider her hoard even somewhat useful.<br />
[[User:Arekku|Arekku]] 02:52, February 19, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Name ==<br />
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"Marisa doesn't make much sense though... the first character means "magic", the second "logic" or "reason", and the third "sand"."<br />
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Marisa is just a feminine given name. [[User:90.156.33.152|90.156.33.152]] 13:11, 23 February 2008 (PST)<br />
: I disagree. Western names do have meanings, it's just that most of them are archaic. If you give ZUN the benefit of the doubt and assume that he chose "Marisa" with some meaning intended, then there's a few possible meanings. From what I can find, there's debate over where it comes from, but most of the sites seem to agree that Marisa either comes from "Maria" or "Maris". Maris is latin for "of the sea", wile Maria comes from the hebrew [http://www.behindthename.com/name/mary| Mary]. According to behindthename.com, there's dispute as to what Mary means, but the possibilities they list include "Bitterness", "rebelliousness", "Wished for Child", and "Love". So it's a bit of a stretch, but rebelliousness would fit Marisa pretty well.[[Special:Contributions/206.174.3.88|206.174.3.88]] 04:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Oh and jisho.org says that 魔 means<br />
1: demon; devil; evil spirit; evil influence; (Noun suffix)<br />
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2: someone who (habitually) performs some (negative) act<br />
:I don't know much about kanji, but those definitions seem pretty different from "magic".[[Special:Contributions/206.174.3.88|206.174.3.88]] 04:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Magic is called 魔法 (mahou) in Japanese, the Ma in Marisa's name is taken to mean this. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] 07:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: I agree with Deadkid dk. I think the biggest reason why she is given her name "Marisa" by ZUN is that it sounds so girlish and cute. From Meiji era, some people tried naming their children after Western European-like names, for example Mako, Eliza. So some Japanese people's names aren't Japanese-like in careful looking. In fact, the name of one of my friends is Risako (理沙子), which sounds never odd, but isn't traditional. It's too modern. What I want to say is the most important is the sound "marisa", or else the character "MA" (魔).<br />
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It sort of makes sense considering Gensokyo is apparently stuck in the Nineteenth Century. Remember, back then the Japanese used Kanji even to write foreign names if they were proper nouns, I believe (ateji), for example America was written 亜米利加 though nowadays it's (thankfully) just written using Katakana. If you're familiar with the series When Seagulls Cry, many of the characters have Westernized Japanese names. The spelling of Marisa's name may be on the same line of thinking, though this is just my assumption.{{Unsigned|Wererat42|2009-09-06T12:49:25 (UTC)}}<br />
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== Playgirl ==<br />
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Well we know that Marisa is hitting alot of characters right? She's the only character who already<br />
got in EoSD,MoF and SA<br />
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== Another stolen spell card ==<br />
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In [[Undefined Fantastic Object|UFO]], Marisa just stolen Aya's attack from <br />
[[Subterranean Animism]]in Reimu C.<br />
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== Da-ze ==<br />
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Where does Marisa's catchphrase "da-ze" come from?<br />
:Do look at [[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil: Marisa's Scenario|Marisa's Dialogue in EoSD]], for example. It appears in the other works, also in another type "ze". "ze", "da ze". Both aren't quite different to Japanese people. --Masuo64 12:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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だぜ isn't so much as catchphrase as it's just a more masculine form of です. Makes Marisa sound more rough than the other girls who use words like ですわ, and if a translator elects to not leave it untranslated, they'll usually make her speech more brusque to reflect this. --[[User:Wererat42|Wererat42]] 16:25, September 6, 2009 (UTC) <br />
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:Makes her sound bad-ass. A mix of assertive, confident, and daring. It's cute, unless you're someone who doesn't like Haruhi-type characters. [[User:TheTrueBlue|TheTrueBlue]] 17:29, September 6, 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==12.5 Appearance==<br />
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Marisa's appearance has changed in 12.5. I wonder if people pay attention to that...I think it should be added to her main profile. She no longer has that "M" on her outfit, and her hat seems to be more pointed now. Well, maybe someone else can describe it better than I can.(Maybe some other characters' appearances have changed as well in this game?) [[Special:Contributions/24.13.162.218|24.13.162.218]] 22:46, March 15, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Wands ==<br />
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I figured I added this in talk in case people become skeptical...<br />
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'''Story of Eastern Wonderland:''' She uses a star wand in battle.<br/><br />
'''Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream:''' Take a look at her portrait when she casts a spell.<br/><br />
'''Lotus Land Story:''' One of her Bad Endings and title page.<br/><br />
'''Undefined Fantastic Object:''' Her character portrait.<br/><br />
[[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 18:16, June 20, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate palette from Touhou Hisoutensoku==<br />
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I see that there's some conflict on whether her alternate palette from [[Touhou Hisoutensoku]] is purple or blue. Well, there are two palettes that seem to match the description. One has her completely purple (including her hair), while another has only her clothes and hat blue and her hair red. It's just my guess but the completely purple palette seems to make some reference to Patchouli, while the blue-clothes and red-hair palette is the one making reference to Marisa of the PC-98 games. I'd like to know how u all think. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 04:57, September 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:In the PC98 games, she is completely purple. No sign of blue. [[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 06:32, September 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah, I agree with that. So the purple one should be the reference to Marisa of the PC98 series, but among the palettes, there's one that has her wear bluish purple (I took a look at it again and now it doesn't look completely blue) clothes and red hair. Also in Story of Eastern Wonderland, although Marisa wears purple clothes, she has red hair, kind of similar to the palette I just described. Assuming that the completely purple palette is the PC98 reference, does anyone think that the blue clothes and red hair one is a reference to Story of Eastern Wonderland? Probably there are two palettes out there making reference to the same PC98 series. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 02:31, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, btw, I'm allowed to post images here? Maybe it'll help clear some confusion if I could post the images I'm describing here. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 02:33, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Sure. Post the images. [[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 02:51, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Thanks, here's the blue palette I think some people were talking about: [[File:MarisaPalette1.png]]<br />
::::And this is the Marisa completely purple: [[File:MarisaPalette2.png]] <br />
I dunno if it's just on my computer or not, but the red hair Marisa's clothes look slightly bluish. Probably that's why there has been some recent edits on the palette color. I agree on your point that the purple palette is a reference to Marisa from the PC98 series, but the purple clothes palette in Hisoutensoku has Marisa's hair even purple, while in PC98 games Marisa's hair was red (in Story of Eastern Wonderland) or yellow (in all other PC98 games). Probably I'm just being too stingy about the palette color, so please correct me if I'm wrong on this. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 03:04, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::The blue pallette and red hair would be suitable for the pc98 games, and the completely purple one would resemble patchouli. [[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 15:30, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Alright. Thanks for your time on this issue. I hope that would clear some confusion amongst people. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 20:25, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Consistency Issues==<br />
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Ok, make a decision, because we have order of appearance (pertaining to description...) in ascending order (From Old to New ) in some profiles, while others have descending (New to Old) order... so make up your minds?<br />
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(Post in the community talk section if necessary...)<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:57, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Regarding palette comparison ==<br />
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red-hair blue-outfit marisa more resembles VIVIT than SoEW marisa.<br />
If you're only comparing hair color then you could say that it's based on the older colors, but our own sources say that SoEW marisa had purple outfit.<br />
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VIVIT's a maid with a blue dress and a white apron --[[User:Tsukihime|Tsukihime]] 14:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:VIVIT has a light blue dress and Marisa has a rather dark blue in her palette, so I can't see this reference. Must have forgot to say that... {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 14:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::It doesn't look dark blue at all. And definitely wouldn't be considered purple. --[[User:Tsukihime|Tsukihime]] 15:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::mmm... it doe's look more to SoEW Marisa to me. I mean, can you really make one palette looking like two things? {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 15:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes. That's how art works =P --[[User:Tsukihime|Tsukihime]] 23:40, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Things needing attention on the Marisa page ==<br />
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Alright, I rewrote the main description, the appearance section, and updated the page for the new InfoBox layout. However, a few things are missing, and I would like to have some help since I have to edit the Youmu page, as well as dig in canon to rewrite the relationships sections for Reimu and Marisa before Comiket 80 since the wiki will get a lot of traffic.<br />
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Things needed to be done;<br />
*A relationships section needs to be added and written, the original page did not have one. Add the section under concept for now.<br />
*The story sections needs to be rewritten in the same style as [[Reimu]]'s.<br />
*The Fandom as well as the Trivia section need to be looked over.<br />
*Spellchecking the grammar.<br />
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--[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 01:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Disputing Marisa's "Other Ability"==<br />
I believe she can only copy danmaku if it's within the scope of being a witch, in fact there are several instances like...<br />
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'''"Not feeling like it"'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Nitori Kawashiro's Spell Cards|Nitori's]] ''"By the way, I don't think I will imitate this danmaku. It really makes me feel anxious and disturbed."'' '''Meaning she does not like it and will not take this one.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Shizuha Aki's Spell Card|Shizuha's]] ''"There's a bit of a miserable feeling, like the melancholy that comes when I have to clean my garden, and I don't want to copy this spell card."'' '''This depresses her and does not want to copy.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Minoriko Aki's Spell Cards|Minoriko's]] ''"With moderate sunlight and rain, that will ensure that the farming efforts will not be lost. But what earthy danmaku. I'm not interested in this at all."'' '''This bores her and she doesn't want.'''<br />
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'''"Can't do it"'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Hina Kagiyama's Spell Cards|Hina's]] ''"This spell card uses her specialty well; as she spins in the water, it starts to sting. I can't copy this spell card, nor do I want to. "'' '''pretty much defeats that statement.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Aya Shameimaru's Spell Cards|Aya's]] ''"Anyway, since this danmaku cannot be referenced for my magic in any way, it is only good for training my dodging skills."'' '''Being a Human Witch pretty much says that she can not do this one. Can't reference, can't copy.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Suika Ibuki's Spell Cards|Sukia's]] ''"This sort of thing isn't really danmaku. I can't use this as a reference at all. She really is just a monster. "'' '''This is a Oni trait and being a Human Witch does not allow this.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Suika Ibuki's Spell Cards|Sukia's]] ''"This isn't danmaku either, and it really hurts."'' '''Same as above'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Suika Ibuki's Spell Cards|Sukia's]] ''"As always, I can't use this as a reference."'' '''Same as above'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Flandre Scarlet's Spell Cards|Flandre's]] ''"A spell card where clones are made and they each attack as they like. While I don't think I'll be able to make clones of myself like this, I still want slaves."'' '''Marisa states that she can not''' <br />
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'''"Out of Reach"'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Chen's Spell Cards|Chen's]] ''"This kind of unreasonable power-up technique can't be imitated by humans."'' '''pretty much says Marisa, a human, can not do this one.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Suika Ibuki's Spell Cards|Sukia's]] ''"Since she's not used to using spell-card-like spell cards, when she decides to use one once in a while, this unfair spell card is the result. Oni sure are behind the times. They don't know the newest spell cards for playing around."'' '''Also suggests cards from the past can't be copied by her.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Yuugi Hoshiguma's Spell Cards|Yuugi's]] ''"Though I don't know how she does it - as Yuugi takes a step, this skill buries the area around her stride with high-density danmaku. Though it's nearly instant death in less than three steps, since Yuugi's three steps are too wide, it's basically instant death. But it's marvelous how she places her danmaku as if she wants me to enjoy this. She shows that even in a feat of strength, she can find leisure to play. It's a shame I probably won't be able to imitate the oni's incomprehensible techniques. Even so, there are various oni around. Hmm."'' '''This is beyond her comprehension.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Kaguya Houraisan's Spell Cards|Kaguya's]] ''"An unreasonably big ceiling. Formidable, considering that this is said to be one tile. I can't really imagine the tree from which this is made. Bringing that tile over is a foul move. The pressure that the big walls give is abnormal. Holding this tile up with her two hands and showing it off to everyone, Kaguya is scary. By the way, this rare item gets in the way so I don't want it. In the end, Kaguya's spell cards all make use of special items, so I realize that they can't be referenced. She doesn't really use her own ability in spell card battles. Maybe the lunar urbanites aren't adapted to spell cards."'' '''Can't use since items are used in aid of spells. '''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Utsuho Reiuji's Spell Cards|Ustuho's]] ''"Superhot fireballs. Though it's fine to graze the danmaku a little, touching the fireball just a little bit makes me fear for my life. Hence, large evasions are a must. I think, other than daring and precise actions, there are no countermeasures. Even the mini-[[hakkero]] can't produce such high temperatures. Nuclear fusion sure is amazing."'' '''The Mini Hakkero limits her power to do certain spells.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Patchouli Knowledge's Spell Cards|Patchouli's]] ''"A spell card that crystallizes the basic unit of five magics and makes them shoot. Because it calls forth many magics, the danmaku that is released from each stone is weak. She's probably only capable of making it fire automatically. I want to know how to make these kinds of stones, but the specific procedures aren't written in any books I look at. The philosopher's stone. What I got from reading books was, it's capable of turning non-metals into metals, curing everyone's health, and it makes good topping for any culinary dish. Man, I would love to make a five-colored boxed lunch topped with philosopher's stone"'' '''For lack of a book, means no copy'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Flandre Scarlet's Spell Cards|Flandre's]] ''"If I get hit, then there will be none. When your opponent disappears, you can't tell where attacks will come from, and it's scary. In this situation, avoiding the danmaku is dependent on being able to see the opponent. For what it's worth, I want her to tell me how she can hide her form like that."'' '''This says that she does not know how by herself.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Tenshi Hinanawi's Spell Cards|Tenshi's]] ''"A spell card that violently makes the ground uneven. By thrusting the keystone into the ground with fearsome power, the reaction raises the ground level of its surroundings. Somewhat like a chest of drawers. Forcefully closing one makes the others come flying out. Can I imitate this? Nah, probably not. They're not that heavy."'' '''Can't do it if she states so.'''<br />
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* [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Yukari Yakumo's Spell Cards|Yukari's]] ''"A spellcard that forces you to dodge within a border created by danmaku. This is scary. There may be many instances of having no elbow room, but not of being bordered by danmaku. That is because danmaku tend to expand. Common sense says that the volume increases and density decreases. However, Yukari's danmaku differs from this. As time passes, the border shrinks and becomes dense. When battling with an opponent, that would be the right thing to do. Put pressure on the space to stop the prey from escaping. Danmaku isn't made for an actual battle, but Yukari probably took the border between a danmaku for play and a danmaku for battle to create this barrier. That is the danmaku barrier. A bit too much for me to copy... "'' '''Is way to powerful for her to copy.'''<br />
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(Sorry, not trying to be mean, just avoid really big statements like that. Otherwise GJ!)<br />
I'd also like some "theories" on what spellcards she plans to take (Monochrome SPARK!!) and ones that she has taken from already!<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
*Oh, sorry, I thought that was already inferred/implicit. For one thing, we know she makes her master spark using her Hakkero, which Yuka probably did NOT use to make her own master spark. We also have a specific example of Marisa saying one of her spell cards was inspired by Alice, but she uses a different method to do it (IE, light instead of dolls that she won't explode because she thinks that's disturbing). And Marisa flat out states that she's terrible at making something that could mimic a slave card, which I thought obviously meant that she didn't have a way to create something that could be remote controlled (IE, obvious to the point where it didn't need to be pointed out). If the abilities section implies that she's like Gogo from Final Fantasy who can instantly mimic ANYTHING in a flash, then I guess I'll change it to make it clear that "mimic" is the case of a REALISTIC mimic. Like if you jump and I jump, I'm mimicking you. Not like if I see a dragon breathe fire, I can instantly breathe fire too. But if I find a flamethrower, I can then mimic that dragon breathing fire to some extent (I don't think it'd be very safe to hold that flamethrower so close to my mouth, tho, so I'd probably just use it like... well, how you'd use a flamethrower. The end effect is the same, just like Marisa using the Hakkero to mimic Yuka's master spark). [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 03:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
*As an aside, while Marisa is the most notorious for this due to her spell cards and Grimoire of Marisa, this is actually something that all magicians do. Marisa states in Grimoire of Marisa that it's "magicians who build on observation", not "only I who builds on observation." So technically, Patchouli and Alice learn by watching too. Just like... well... EVERY researcher, really. Actually, come to think about it, Patchouli herself says in Silent Sinner in Blue that it's a magician's pride to build upon someone else's work and add their own touch to it to make it unique. It's basically the equivalent of how any researcher builds upon others' research. Marisa just happens to be the most notorious for it. [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 03:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
*...technically, instead of "ability", this should be filed under "personality", shouldn't it? Since it's not a particular abililty but instead something Marisa is prone to do due to her personality. [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 03:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Ah right you are!<br />
But with the wiki, we must assume that the user knows absolutely nothing about these facts and we must make instances where this doesn't apply. To have all of these on that page is silly, but a few examples as u have just stated works just as well!<br />
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For your aside, you are correct again! Stating so in the article is important.<br />
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For the Technicality, parts of it should go under personality, but not the entire thing (as you said) I'm sure you know which parts go there, and I'll be on stand by to help you out!<br />
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(I also suggest changing Strength) (sounds like it belongs to Yuugi) to (Magic a better fit imo*) <br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==My edits==<br />
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Ok This is a big page and just to do things w/o rhyme and reason is bad, so lemme tell ya!<br />
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*Battle Record? I have problems accepting this term. for two reasons<br />
1. This strongly suggests that we pick a perspective and declare it as true. None of the adventures say for sure Reimu or Marisa solved the incident. (Examples )<br />
2. Speaking of it, we have to think who REALLY solved it, Reimu or Marisa? They both couldn't have and this gets even more confusing when we start adding in the others... (So I nixed it, although if we speak in Terms of power, put that in the Contemplations page)<br />
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*Danmaku that can kill? That is a bit of a large leap. We are sure that the spellcard rules are made for the Youkai to face off the current shrine maiden and this does not kill her (otherwise Hakurei Barrier breaks and is bad) I'm not even sure Danmaku hurts, so I removed that bit.<br />
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*Removed the weird relationships stuff(Or Quwanti did, but I agree with him) The characters are separated by games so listing those are speculative (most Youkai are like Hey it's Red White!) and there is enough time for the relationships to change, so let's not mess with what definitive terms are with each other.<br />
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*Rearranged a whole lot. A majority is in the Backstory<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 02:30, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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*I am not sure if you read the PC-98 Marisa sections and Seihou Marisa sections before you tried moving them since none of it actually had any relation to the backstory.<br />
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*It might be just the standard to assume that all scenarios played out even if it would seem contradictory for that to be so. That is why we are able to say, "this character says X in this scenario" without having to attach a condition, "if you play as this character with this shot type, then conversation would have occured." However, I guess that for such statements, "defeat Remilia and Yuyuko," it might be good to attach, "she was able to" or something like that.<br />
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*Not sure if you read the whole section or not, but what it actually said was that danmaku was not for killing.<br />
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In short, I am not sure if you read everything before you moved it, but some things in that edit and in your comment do not quite seem to make sense.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:There shouldn't be a PC-98/Seihou Marisa section to start with (THEY THE SAME CHARACTER). That's just like any other info around... {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 02:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::There are many people who disagree with that. In fact, PC-98 Marisa is very frequently portrayed to be a separate character from windows Marisa. That is why it is important to talk about how PC-98 Marisa is different.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::So what if people disagree. That's fandom talking. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 04:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Furthermore, it should be assumed by default that they are actually different, but that a portion from PC-98 is "carried over" into windows. ZUN himself has said so, that from windows the characters start over fresh, and that PC-98 can be disregarded, indicating that PC-98 is a somewhat separate existence (although obviously many portions are carried over, and exactly how separate it is is debatable).--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. Start over fresh, but it's just like a kid going from childhood to adulthood, starting new once again with a good job and such. There's clearly many backups to why PC-98 is widely linked to Windows (way larger than a portion), even if ZUN himself did say PC-98 is separate (maybe he just doesn't want to give info away on Yuki and Mai, or doesn't have any, but he did eventually said something about them. After all, he'll still give some good answer if he was asked something related to the PC-98 era). Also, ZUN could have avoided the 6 after MS for EoSD and create another Series or anything else, but he didn't. That must indicate that PC-98 and Windows are the same Project. Moreover, "PC-98 Marisa is very frequently portrayed to be a separate character". That's fandom talking. This wiki doesn't do fandom to official material, only under the fandom section. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 04:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::You should read [http://wayback.archive.org/web/jsp/Interstitial.jsp?seconds=5&date=1112951873000&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgensou.s93.xrea.com%2Fworld%2Fqa0301.html&target=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20050408091753%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fgensou.s93.xrea.com%2Fworld%2Fqa0301.html#03052801 this], specifically, the portion on the date 2003/05. I have translated it on the [[PC-98]] page. They are definitely separate, but a portion is carried over. The PC-98 and windows versions of the characters need to be talked about separately.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 04:13, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Furthermore, the first two answers that ZUN made [http://web.archive.org/web/20050408092238/http://gensou.s93.xrea.com/world/qa0307.html here] on 2003/08 are very revealing as well. I will translate them and put it on the [[PC-98]] page as well.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Note very carefully ZUN's reply, "definitely they have not changed." Whereas ZUN says that whatever is official is always the series' newest work, the canon of PC-98 games "have not changed". ZUN thus speaks of the canon of PC-98 as a separate entity.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::OK, now that's good proof, but I still think a section just for this isn't good. That's not the spirit of Touhou. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 01:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yes, it is in the spirit of Touhou. Separate things in PC-98 have to be noted.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::Please note that not only is this what this wiki is doing right now with the character titles (due to masuo's edit), but it is also what all the Japanese people are doing right now. Every single source separates PC-98 and Windows versions like this.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::And note that this even includes the Japanese wikipedia, which adheres strictly to canon and does not write about anything fanon at all.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::'''As for why the PC-98 Marisa is significant''': if PC-98 Marisa was not very significant, the differences could have, of course, been noted in some other paragraph, or scattered throughout. However, PC-98 Marisa has significantly been noted to be quite different. Not only is her appearance very different, but even her tone of speaking and personality are significantly different. The "ufufu" and "atai" belongs to PC-98 Marisa, whereas "da ze" belongs to windows. And other numerous differences already noted in that section - that is why it gets its own section.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I need to get my head round this........ {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 02:38, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Furthermore, it is actually significant for every character who showed up in both windows and PC-98. Though they have the same name and similar appearances, they are '''not''' the '''same''' character. So such sections should be created for Alice, Yuuka, and Reimu as well.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
Well, for what it's worth, as much as I myself kinda hate to say it since I always thought the PC-98 games were canon in some way, assuming those ZUN statements are accurate and true, I find it hard to argue against Tosiaki's reasoning. In the posted links, ZUN apparently was even specifically asked about Reimu and Alice's past and said the PC-98 games don't apply. [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 03:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I myself did not actually know this until yesterday when I looked up and translated those statements. In any case, it was somewhat late to get to know this, but at least we know this now.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:13, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Here is yet another portion from Gensou Bulletin Board that I have yet to translate before now:<br />
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{{lang|ja|Q.「アリス」は紅魔郷以前の東方シリーズに登場していたキャラなのですか?<br /><br />
A.アリスは東方怪綺談(シリーズ第5弾)でも3面ボスでした。特に関連性は無いし、思いっきり別人です(^^;ので気にしなくても大丈夫ですよ。}}<br />
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Q: Is "Alice" a character who showed up before Embodiment of Scarlet Devil?<br /><br />
A: Alice was the stage three boss of ''Mystic Square'' (fifth in the series). Particularly there is no relation, and with all one's heart a different person (and so it is even okay not to worry).<br />
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On the other hand, there was also this answer:<br />
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{{lang|ja|Q.「アリス」は怪綺談のアリスと本当に関係ないんですか?<br />
A.一応、同一人物ですが、ストーリー的には一切関係ありません。妖々夢のストーリー的にも、まるで重要な位置にいません。(というか妖々夢体験版に出てくるキャラは、全員ストーリーに無関係です(笑))}}<br />
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Q: Is there truly no relation to the "Alice" from ''Mystic Square''?<br /><br />
A: Although for once they are the same character, in terms of story it has absolutely no relation. Even in the story of ''Perfect Cherry Blossom'', it was entirely an unimportant position. (That is to say, for the characters who came out in the trial version of ''Perfect Cherry Blossom'', they are all unrelated to the story (haha))<br />
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In the end, perhaps I was incorrect in say that they were "different characters" in that they are not, but in terms of story, they are entirely unrelated. That is to say, they are the same in the sense that they are the "same" in some way, but different in appearance in personality and other things, (i. e. as if the character has been lifted into an ''alternate universe'' with no connection to the previous) so exactly what things are carried over from their previous version has to be up to interpretation (especially with "Grimoire of Alice" and the talk about "former friend,") but for all purposes, for this wiki, to treat them separately should be the way to go. That is to say, it would be appropriate to say "windows version of Alice" and "PC-98 version of Alice" but not "there are two characters named Alice."--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 04:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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That is to say, "they not ''two separate'' characters, but they are ''different'' characters" is the way to put it.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 04:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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@ Tolaski: This is true. I don't want to make another character page for Pc-98 or Seihou versions of chars as that would be unnecessary. But since as you said the story/origins has either been ambiguous or "different". Therefore that's why I proposed to place that section in the Backstory, and still keep the label as "PC-98" & "Seihou" so that backstory would be explained (for those eras) and for "2000" we will list the backstory of Marisa's Unnamed Father. If you feel that isn't sufficient enough to separate the series, a Note in italics would suffice for PC-98 and Seihou shall be placed there.<br />
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Our Concept box is getting really large and I feel that a lot of the stuff can be placed in different sections of the wiki.<br />
Also part of this is some browsers have trouble displaying pages that are very large and apart from this, aren't very attractive.<br />
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@ TiamatRoar Keep at the posting! I will sort out where the stuff should go. Try to keep them within the appropriate sections, but not not hesitate to post what you think, we need this information to be presented to have a chance at being sorted. <br />
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@ Everything else: What I propose to move what stuff and where (with reasons as to why):<br />
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Remember kids, Concept box is basically the character at a glance with materials such as Name,Appearance, Abilities, Connections to the Real World and Literature etc, inside. History intensive things goes inside Story and Theories goes in Tony64's invented Theories Section, and any connections to other charters or any place inside Gensokyo goes to Relationships. Everything else that doesn't fall in those categories must go somewhere else (and just ask if you need help placing them there!)<br />
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*PC-98 & Seihou Marisa to Backstory - Yes, I realize that this isn't part of "2000"'s backstory so using the tags "Pc-98 & Seihou" should suffice to cover this; and if not an italicized note to state so.<br />
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*Actual family to Backstory - No tags necessary, helps to show that this one belongs to "2000"<br />
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*Powerfulness to ...many things - Let's take this one bit by bit. <br />
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The first Paragraph indicated that her magic ability is notable and this warrants a tag of "Magic" <br />
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Then we go to the second Paragraph and we dive into origins which should be a synopsis which I felt does not belong in the Concept box. Origins should go under Backstory. <br />
:I am not sure how you are reading it as origins. It is simply a talk about what happened as it relates to her strength.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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The third and fourth Paragraphs then goes into a Tier related discussion. Yes, there are somewhat concrete talks of who is suppose to be stronger by who (Such as Cirno is Low Tier and Shikieiki is High Tier), but after that, we can do nothing but speculate and that belongs in the [[Contemplations]] page. Also, here we assume Marisa solved the incidents and that isn't so Reimu was always there when Marisa was involved, so we can never be sure it was Marisa or Reimu who solved the incident or even when (Did Reimu go first and then Marisa or vice versa or did one just go and the other "vanish"?) This isn't clear, but what we do know is the incidents were solved, we just can never know who did it and who (or even with who, as evidenced in PoFV) Some endings have to be assumed never happen (like Kotohime locking Reimu away or the main chars receiving a wish in PoDD; then what? Did all of them get their wishes, only one or none at all?) So as you see, it's a nightmare to figure this out, so I really suggest removing any thing that concretely states Marisa or Reimu was the one to solve an incident<br />
:I am still not sure what you mean by "tier related discussion" but the third and fourth paragraph do not contain any speculation. The third paragraph is only explaining a quote from the attached text file, and the fourth paragraph is only explaining the contents of the game itself.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Fifth Paragraph is guilty of this too.<br />
:That is not speculation either. That is also official.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Sixth Paragraph has a ZUN comment, in where this should stay... but not in the way it's being used at the moment. Where it should go is anyone's guess...<br />
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Seventh Paragraph explains the ZUN comment, which is fine, but the one explains Bosses intentions should be avoided, killing humans tends to give a Youkai a short lifespan because of the Miko so that may be why they do not kill. Also, the spellcards rules were made to fight the Shrine Maiden without endangering the Hakurei Border. There are more explanations, but it gives me a headache to list all of them so I hope I can leave it at that.<br />
:It is not explaining why the bosses do not want to kill humans. It simply says that the bosses do not want to kill humans.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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*Possessions to Can Stay - Good job on that guys! I agree with where that is 100%. This is something where the other tags can not explain.<br />
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*Occupation to Can Stay - Another job well done! That can stay because this is notable and explains what no other tag can explain if placed somewhere else.<br />
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Any questions, just ask!<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Nazeo, it still seems that you have not read what the PC-98 Marisa and Seihou Marisa sections actually say, since that part of your comment does not make sense. It would not make sense at all to move it to "backstory" at all, as none of it is related to backstory.<br />
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Also, I am not exactly sure what you mean by "Tiers," but this is not about speculation who she is stronger than or whatnot. It is not for speculating what characters she is stronger than but to give a concrete picture of what her strength is overall. As exactly how powerful Marisa is is perhaps one of the unclearest of all, that is why it is notable enough. In the [[Cirno]] article, it covers pretty much the same things in "Abilities," but for Marisa, it is more complicated. As stated earlier, perhaps the words "she was able to" should be added in front of sentences like "defeated Remilia and Yuyuko" but that does not mean that it is untrue.<br />
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Yes, there may be ten sub-sections in "Concept" right now, but the additional eight after "name" and "appearance" were the ones that I thought important to her character as a concept. So, now that I have completed adding those, there should not be expected to be much more than that.<br />
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Now as for size. If pages get too large, it would indeed be troublesome. However, the point at which one really needs to be careful about that is in the 200kb range. Right now, it is at about 100kb, only about 20kb larger than the [[Reimu Hakurei]] page. Before moving meaningful content out of the article, it should first be clear that such a thing actually is needed.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I did in fact read the Pc-98 and Seihou sections and like the one in Powerfulness, it's all over the place.<br />
Like with the one with "Powerfullness", I wanted to delete that section but I attempted to work with it.<br />
Besides, here is my strongest criticism for it:<br />
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Both sections read like this is meant for a Character page all crammed into one section which detracts from the attractiveness of the page.<br />
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What do I mean?<br />
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1st Paragraph is a appearance description.<br />
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2nd Paragraph and down then bounce between relationships she had (Reimu etc) and ends with extrapolation with her name... If we were to keep this, we seriously need to rearrange these sections as they are all over the place (and right now it reads like a trivia page...)<br />
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I will give you the point that perhaps it doesn't make sense for it to go in the Backstory, but for the purpose of everything we should rewrite it so it does.<br />
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For your tier comment, I must say that again, Tiers is assessing a power level which is vague for any character. In comparison Cirno is probably the weakest but the full extent for it is unknown. With Shikieiki, it is said that Reimu, Yukari and Yuyuko can't defeat her, but again, what is strong really? I must also say that you assume it was Marisa who defeated these people when it could've been Reimu who did it. ZUN made it so you can play the game, the incident gets solved and you can sleep soundly at night thinking the girl you picked did it, but he was also smart enough to make it so it wasn't expressly said who solved it. I appreciate the genius of this as this way the players can enjoy which heroine they pick and ZUN avoids contradicting himself in future games. So let's not assume things, that is bad. The most we can do with this is place this unsure stuff in the Contemplations page where it belongs. Besides I must disagree with strength anyway as the spellcard rules make it so you can face off against someone like Yuuka and still have a "Fair fight" as the Youkai hold back so this can never be exact. This was so the Youkai and humans can settle disagreements peacefully this way and it's "Fair on each side". <br />
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If you want the sources, I got plenty.<br />
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For Size, it still a lot on that page, and I want to trim it down a lot more, but this should be fixed on it's on if the other stuff were to happen.<br />
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Anyway, there is an obvious difference in opinion, so we will sort this out on [[User talk:Nazeo/Standardization of Character Pages#Final Standardization|Final Standardization]] until we have concrete descriptions.<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 00:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The purpose of the PC-98 and Seihou Marisa sections is to give an overview on the differences in personality and appearance and other things from the windows version of Marisa. Surely it belongs in no other section than "Concept." It would be a mess to scatter it all across the article, especially since PC-98 and Seihou Marisa are different, which is why they are each one section.<br />
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:Furthermore, the power level of each character is definitely something that belongs in concept. If it is vague, then what needs to be done is to say what the original work says about them, and say that it is vague (as the section is saying right now). Contemplations are for speculations that do not talk much about what relates directly to the original work - nothing in the "powerfulness" section does that - just the bare facts from the original work. As I have said, perhaps the words, "she was able to," should be added to "defeated Remilia and Yuyuko" but the same point is made. For example, I guess one could say, "in Marisa's scenarios in Embodiment of Scarlet Devil and in Marisa scenarios in Perfect Cherry Blossom, she was able to defeat Remilia and Yuyuko" but I cut out the beginning because that part should already be understood. Furthermore, "strength" can mean many things, and it was made clear in the last paragraph that "strength" here means "strength within the bounds of the spell card rules."<br />
--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, size is not really a good reason to erase important information that actually does belong on the page.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, fair, I'm not against the sections themselves, it's just they look awkward there. But you do bring up a point scattering this all over the page would be tragic. So, we need a different approach, if this is going to be part A to Part B, then let's rewrite the article so we can have them in the Backstory nice and proper for such a change to be made. If you are worried about accomplishing this yourself, don't be as I am willing to lend a hand for this cause.<br />
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The power levels, again, I agree, but to a extent. I am all for the first 24 words (which is the sentence "As a human Marisa's true strength is such that she is able to use the highest class of magic power and things like that") but after that, it begins to go dangerously into speculation. For your vagueness argument, yes it can be extrapolated upon, but not within that section (Take that into the Contemplations). Yes, it can be reasonably inferred that she could take on baddies like Yuyuko and Remilia,but the way it's stated bothers me very much and I listed my reason above. Lastly, the "strength" is irrelevant, using my past example, Cirno has an equal chance of taking on Shikieiki and winning, so this becomes void. (Check out PoFV, you'll begin to see what I meant by ZUN's genius of not saying who did what,when, etc [[Phantasmagoria_of_Dim.Dream/Story#Kotohime.27s_Ending|if at all]].)<br />
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For your size counterpoint, I meant to say that we can rewrite this while keeping the important stuff and still be able to trim this down. Some pieces I still strongly feel should be in different sections.<br />
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I ask again to please hold on until we sort this out @ [[User talk:Nazeo/Standardization of Character Pages#Final Standardization|Final Standardization]] (I posted and will keep posting), otherwise we'll have gridlock and that's no good<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I am not exactly sure how many times this needs to be stated, but none of the stuff in the PC-98 Marisa and PC-98 Seihou sections belong to "backstory." All of it is firmly things within "concept."<br />
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:I am not sure what you mean by "it can be reasonably inferred." It is not a just "reasonable inference." The fact that one is able to complete the final stage with Marisa on any of the games is simple verification directly from the original work.<br />
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:Furthermore, strength is a relevant part of a character's concept. Even within spellcard rules, there exists a concept as "strength." As noted in the [[Cirno]] page, even when she defeated Aya and Yuuka, the opponent was unhurt and she ran away from Yuuka after winning.<br />
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:Now thinking about this, perhaps the section should indeed be renamed back to "strength" rather than "powerfulness." I am not sure why you might think strength would be talking about Yuugi, but when Cirno says "I'm the strongest," I am pretty sure everyone knows what "strength" here means.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I agree with Nazeo. Sure it may not fit under backstory, but it should not be where it is now (as we know they the same character) and that spell cards come into all this as I also agree that most of the stuff under Strenth is aiming at speculation. Also, it seems I need to add this to my sandbox... {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 15:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Perhaps if you want to say that there is speculation in "strength," you should point out what exactly is speculating. For example, Nazeo specifically said paragraphs three and four were speculating. However, the third paragraph only concerned a quote from official material, and the fourth paragraph is only an overview of what happened (or was able to happen) in the official work. I am not sure how that is "speculation."<br />
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:Also, although they have the same "identity," they are not really the same character. That is why the PC-98 Marisa and Seihou Marisa are introduced separately - because '''they are separate in all aspects of character and concept.''' Therefore, it should probably stay as is.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 16:44, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Do note that although the PC-98 versions of the characters are "same" in some sense, that in actuality in all aspects of concept they are separate - that is why it is all explained in a separate section.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Therefore, I do have to say: it would not be a good idea to take apart the PC-98 and Seihou Marisa sections. As they are separate concepts, they should '''not''' be mixed in with other things throughout the page.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 17:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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'''If it really does not go good on the page''', then perhaps one should consider creating separate pages for the PC-98 versions of the characters. Though they are the same character, they are different in all aspects from story to personality and therefore are practically different characters. It would definitely not be a good idea to mix in PC-98 information in with the rest of the article, so perhaps it could simply be moved to its own article, and a note can be given on the page that it is the same character - but a different version of the character.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 19:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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'''In fact''', perhaps creating separate pages for the PC-98 version might just be the best idea if one really wants to move this outside of the page itself. There are many instances outside of Touhou where characters in one universe have been re-used in another universe with no connection in story to their previous, and with various changes in personality and appearance (as is the case here). Though they have been noted to be the "same" in some sense, they are still practically treated as different characters, and are mentioned completely separately from each other. That could be applied here as well - if a "PC-98 Marisa" does not belong in concept, perhaps it would be much better in its own article.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 19:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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And do note, that this approach of creating separate articles is actually what the entire Japanese world has been doing for the longest time (I did not quite know why they were doing it until I read the three comments from ZUN).--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 19:21, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok, I'll start with the Yuugi thing and work my way down from there. I was using strength as an example because strength is an innate characteristic of the Oni and should be noted as "Strength". So, now that's clarified, I'll move on.<br />
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:It's my turn to reiterate that PC-98 & Seihou '''SHOULD''' be rewritten so it fits better in Backstory. <br />
:I say this because as Ibaraki Ibuki (and was my position)stated the backstory is "to explain the parts of the story that were not mentioned in the source material in great detail" and what better way to do this with the PC-98 & Seihou sections. <br />
:You are right, as there are '''NOW''' it wouldn't make sense; but rewriting this would fix this. <br />
:Oh, and we are not going to have separate pages for PC-98 and Seihou as they are the same person and is redundant.<br />
:This also confuses the User because two character pages suggests that they are two different people.<br />
::If the separate page says, "PC-98 Alice is the same character as the windows Alice" somewhere near the beginning, I think that it should be fine.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:There have been instances where PC-98 has had an impact on Windows era. For example, when Yuuka comes back (PoFV) she says "Ah, you're still alive? You've grown up quite a bit." which this connection has PC-98 roots. Or when Alice says "Long time no see." when she sees Reimu.<br />
:You no longer get to say that they are different people with my evidence.<br />
::That is a too over-confident. Whether those are really connected to PC-98 are debatable.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::True, I may have been a little, but continue reading to see my other reasons why not.<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Your "Well, Japan does it argument" holds no water, because then I get to say "We are the English Wiki, so we get to treat them as the same character."<br />
::To treat them as the same character makes no sense, as they are different. Yes, they are the "same" character in a sense, but even ZUN said, "with all one's heart a different character." As they have different personalities, appearances, and stories, they are effectively different characters, even if they are "somehow" the same.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:07, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::I know what are trying to say and I will attempt to prove this by example.<br />
:::I have been cryogentically frozen and appear in the future. Nothing else has changed except I don't mention much about the past and pretty much live in the future as if I was always there.<br />
:::Sigh... But the main reason why the Main Chars do not get a Pc-98 page is because they reappear in Windows.<br />
:::(This is why the Char Box's Picture is changed)<br />
:::You see, they are continually evolving, changing and they do refer to their past experiences as well.<br />
:::If the Probability Space Hypervessel (contains Yumemi Okazaki & Chiyuri Kitashirakawa came back in Windows, we simply give the pages a makeover; we don't make a new character page named "Windows Yumemi" & "Windows Chiyuri".<br />
:::That is my strongest argument for this.<br />
::::Perhaps you should pay more attention to ZUN's statements on the Gensou Bulletin Board that are translated on the [[PC-98]] page. He said it himself that they are not canon.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::''"Well, Japan does it argument" holds no water'' - I would say otherwise. It is true that they are not 100% right all the time, but they should be looked to as a rough guide (at least for things for which we do not suspect they borrowed from this wiki), since they have more experience with this than we do.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Aw, but see, I want to be (and I'm sure the others as well) want to be as independent from other wikis as much as possible.<br />
:::I'm sure they have great insight, but let's have our own "style"<br />
::::We can have our own "style," but when it comes to statements that are either true or false, such as connections to PC-98, I do not think there is a good reason to say they are wrong, especially when the sources proving them are given.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Now time for your concept of "strength" You state that the opponent was unhurt.<br />
:Why should they?<br />
:That is a great leap to suggest that Danmaku inflicts pain (as I stated before).<br />
:There is no way of knowing (yet) or evidence that states Danmaku hurts people. <br />
::I never suggested that danmaku physically injures people. However, people do become tired or exhausted afterwards, and their graphics do change to "sad expressions" and things like that. Perhaps "hurt" might not have been the best word, but in any case, it is not nothing.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::True, that much can be confirmed. <br />
:::But with all of these I approach it on how would a User interpret it. <br />
:::(Trust me, I know what you are trying to do, I'm giving you hard time because I must represent the User perspective)<br />
::::In any case, that is no excuse for removing information that actually pertains to a character's concept. Rather, it would mean that it should simply be worded differently.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Also, how do we know Cirno didn't run from Yuuka because she might squash her outside of the spellcard rules, or she is unpleasantness, or she has bad breath? <br />
:You see? <br />
:Speculation drives further and further from the facts and as a wiki we must absolutely avoid doing this.<br />
::It is not speculation. It said it in the PoFV script.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Hahahaha, yes I was attempting more of a joke with the bad breath one. I'm just saying, the page leaves much to the imagination and we need to be very specific on the wiki to avoid said imagination.<br />
::::(As in previous comment) that just means that it needs to be re-worded as such.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Now look, I'm not saying the concept of strength isn't there; I'm saying that the current way it's explained is horrendous.<br />
:Do '''NOT''' rename back to strength, as I said before, let's hold on and begin addressing things in the Standardized Pages<br />
:Oh, and here is my favorite part, you ask which parts speculating, here I point everything out.<br />
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3.In the attached text file for Imperishable Night, it said "Since the player characters are of the Last Boss class (But Reimu and the gang are stronger than that last boss class) the enemies' abilities are quite strong from the start. I think." This statement, "stronger than that last boss class", thus has a very high possibility of including Marisa as well. However, it is unclear whether or not this statement is limited to just danmaku fights or if it also includes the case if they truly fought to try to defeat each other.<br />
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S: "In the attached text file for Imperishable Night, it said "Since the player characters are of the Last Boss class (But Reimu and the gang are stronger than that last boss class) the enemies' abilities are quite strong from the start"<br />
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N: Ok, I'm ok with that- <br />
S:"This statement, "stronger than that last boss class", thus has a very high possibility of including Marisa as well. However, it is unclear whether or not this statement is limited to just danmaku fights or if it also includes the case if they truly fought to try to defeat each other." <br />
N: Now why did you have to say that? Particularity the "it is unclear part"? Why throw out there if we aren't sure ourselves? I feel this section befuddles the readers unnecessarily, especially with playing the game in which they defeat them '''WITH DANMAKU'''<br />
:There is a difference between pure speculation and making reasonable deductions interpretations. The original statement said, {{lang|ja|霊夢達}}. It is therefore a reasonable interpretation '''based on language''' that it means Marisa as well. The character {{lang|ja|達}} is a pluralizing suffix. Explaining the meaning of such words as {{lang|ja|霊夢達}} is not speculation - it is simply explaining language.--~~~~<br />
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4. If one looks at what has officially been her confrontations in the past, although one would notice that in Marisa's scenarios in various games, she was able to defeat such last bosses as Remilia Scarlet and Yuyuko Saigyouji, there were also scenarios in Phantasmagoria of Flower View where she was defeated when she went up against Cirno and Mystia Lorelei and others. In the story of Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, she defeated many youkai and human opponents, but on the other hand, within the image of being a "main character" she and Reimu did not overwhelmingly defeat those other youkai and humans. Furthermore, at the very end, the story ends with her being defeated along with Reimu by Tenshi Hinanawi giving forth her true effort. <br />
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S: "If one looks at what has officially been her confrontations in the past, although one would notice that in Marisa's scenarios in various games, she was able to defeat such last bosses as Remilia Scarlet and Yuyuko Saigyouji, there were also scenarios in Phantasmagoria of Flower View where she was defeated when she went up against Cirno and Mystia Lorelei and others."<br />
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N: Well, as stated before, there is no way to say Marisa's story actually happened, just everything got solved in the end (ZUN's genius, remember?) So not speculation per se, but a statement that is politically incorrect.<br />
::I am not sure what you mean by "politically incorrect," but it has now been changed not even to imply that Marisa's story happened. Perhaps you missed the words, "in Marisa's scenarios," pointing out that these happened in Marisa's scenarios.--~~~~<br />
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S:In the story of Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, she defeated many youkai and human opponents, but on the other hand, within the image of being a "main character" she and Reimu did not overwhelmingly defeat those other youkai and humans<br />
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N: Again, same thing, did she really(She may, she may have not). I can understand the point being made with the state of being a main character, but still, with the previous statements is null.<br />
::On the other hand, Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, as opposed to the shooting games has a certain storyline that actually goes in order. Therefore, it actually certainly happened in any storyline.--~~~~<br />
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:Oh, and I assume the above quotes are true in this assessment, since I can't find the none of the blasted quotes and their sources.<br />
::[[Imperishable_Night/Translation/Demo_Afterword|Here]], it states the relevant quote (of course, the translated version of this is currently on the page now): {{lang|ja|霊夢達はそのラス/ボスクラスより強いのだが}} (the slash is a line break). It's obvious that {{lang|ja|霊夢達}} would include Marisa in this statement.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:A lot of this reads and feels like glorified trivia, and the most I can do with power assessments is the contemplation page. <br />
::Surely what the official work says about their power is something that belongs in concept. I am not exactly sure why something should go into contemplations if it is official.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:09, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, no I'm not denouncing the importance of Official works (Yukari says Shikieiki is tougher than herself, Reimu and Yuyuko combined etc) I guess my point here is there is no easy way to state this without tailspinning especially if other character's "power levels" are mostly unknown. So a page dedicated to this may be in order (I push Contemplation so hard because the unsure stuff allows for it being stated in that page, but something like that can work as well.)<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::However, certain things about strength are not unknown, and are actually made clear officially. I think that those things are a part of a character's concept.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll tell you what doesn't fix this; Using the Concept Box as a junk yard with what's mainly trivia.<br />
::If you think it is a junk yard, you should point out specifically what you mean.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Okey dokey then, let me explain first in the big picture kind of sense. <br />
:::The stuff on the page when I first open it, should be able to navigate it (it being the Contents Box) without scrolling down too much. <br />
:::This is bad. <br />
:::With the page as it's now, it is even bigger than the Character Box! <br />
:::You can't even see the Concept Stuff without scrolling anymore, which is detrimental to the page being easily accessible.<br />
::::If that is so, then perhaps the character summary above the contents box should be shortened. As stated earlier, perhaps the "general outline" section would be a good idea to shorten the text above.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Why do I say Junk Yard?<br />
:::Now I use this as part of the small stuff.<br />
:::We have Strength (Which what you are trying to state as "Fighting Ability" unless I'm wrong, plz correct me) which I feel should have a page to it's self, and it doesn't have to be Contemplations, but I feel it shouldn't be there.<br />
::::Strengh is a definitely a part of concept. In Perfect Memento in Strict Sense, each character was even given a "threat level," and words like {{lang|ja|強い}} and {{lang|ja|強さ}} (translation: strong, strength) a repeatedly used.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I mean, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a large portion of Perfect Memento in Strict Sense devoted to how strong each one is?--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Then we move on to Possessions and then to Pc-98 and Seihou. Umm... kinda odd transition...<br />
:::Then the last thing is her family which I still feel should be in the backstory, even though she almost never mentions this in her dialogues in the game, but remember, Touhou is in literature as well, and we incorporate both. <br />
:::The page itself is largely game based, so stating the Literature material (or any medium for the matter) will help alleviate confusion.<br />
:::It's not all bad though(I feel Possessions, Occupation and the Other Abilities *after disambiguated* were wonderful additions to the wiki), those 4 (Strength, PC-98 Marisa & Seihou Marisa, and Actual family) are just my biggest concerns and is why I bash on them so much<br />
::::As for PC-98 Marisa, and Seihou Marisa, it is the standard. Even the [[wikipedia:ja:霧雨魔理沙|Japanese wikipedia]], which strictly writes about canon, does this.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I seriously mean this; it detracts from the wiki's attractiveness and it loses navigation when it's cluttered with a whole bunch of tags.<br />
:This stuff needs a revamp and as much as I don't want to, I'm stopping Char Page edits until we all can get a agreement on the [[User talk:Nazeo/Standardization of Character Pages#Final Standardization|Character Pages]].<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::All of my counter-arguments are within your comments - I hope that that isn't inconvenient. In any case, refer to my counter-arguments that I have inserted to each part.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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No no, that's fine.<br />
(Although this is going to be fun to refer to now, lol, just look how this will be navigated, lol)<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Additional statement about PC-98 Marisa and Seihou Marisa: perhaps one could say "it is not in the spirit of Touhou," but that is absolutely not true. They have actually been separate for the longest time - the English world just didn't know about it. Even the [[wikipedia:ja:霧雨魔理沙|Japanese wikipedia]], which is very strictly about canon material, does this.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Clarification about {{lang|ja|あなたが、コンティニュー出来ないのさ!}} ==<br />
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Since this page cites the fact that Flandre said {{lang|ja|あなたが、コンティニュー出来ないのさ!}} to Marisa, I would like to clear up what it means here. It has been suggested that this breaks the fourth wall, and in fact, it definitely does. If one looks at their previous statements, Flandre said "one coin," to which Marisa replied, "you can't buy a life with that." The fact that Flandre says this "Continue" ({{lang|ja|コンティニュー}} next makes it pretty clear what this "Continue" means.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 23:25, 13 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hard-working ethic ==<br />
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My main problem for removal was that it did not fit in that particular section - it has nothing to do wither her ability to use magic. Or at least I didn't think at the time when I took it out. If you want to include hard-work ethic as a reason as to why she's successful at using magic, it needs to be in its own paragraph. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 04:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Since she is a magician as an occupation, and all of this hard work is related to her magical experiments and her usage of magic, the fact that she is hard working is very much related to her usage of magic, is it not? At least that is how I am thinking currently. Anyways, I guess it would be better as its own paragraph.--05:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::The problem with that paragraph is that it discusses more about herself being possibly found out than about actual rigor. This is someting I would be inclined to put in Trivia rather than in that section. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 05:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::I guess that it actually talks more about how Marisa performs her honest work in magic "unseen" even though it was still found out by others - but still, the way that Marisa performs her magic experiments (i. e. unseen by others) - doesn't that relate directly to her magic? At least it seems so as of now.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:47, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::Well it's more that the mushroom collecting itself and preparation is directly tied with her ability to use magic. She uses mushrooms as ammo. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 06:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::The mushrooms are indeed items that she uses, but as stated in the "ability" section of her entry in Perfect Memento, it is only after the result of "magical experimentation" that she gets the finished product. In fact, the "ability" section of her entry in Perfect Memento is mostly about her magical experimentation.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:12, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cut from General Outline ==<br />
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I have cut the following from the general outline, as I don't think they should be in the lead. They would however be more appropriate for other sections.<br />
:According to ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', it is strange for a human to have mastery of this level of magic, and it's possible that she may become a magician as a species.<ref name="gumon_117-120">[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]] - [[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense/Marisa Kirisame|Marisa Kirisame]]</ref> In [[Imperishable Night]], she showed interest in immortality and eternal youth, but was unclear whether she aspired to become a magician by species.<br />
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:Relation to martial arts, unneeded.<br />
:From the edit summary - "Counterpoints: Not always narrow (MoF; UFO); focus on Marisa not Reimu. General Outline is not the place to be explaining intricate details about the character." <br />
[[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 05:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess that it might not belong there - I shall look at where else to put this.<br />
::The thing about martial arts is stating that her speed and power is not physical. It does seem somewhat of a basic fact that magicians "are strong, but physically weak," although I guess it was somewhat worded badly.<br />
::I guess that the last point might have been too specific, but it did have a more general idea that Marisa has been given favorable treatment despite being a supporting character.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Marisa is as much as a protagonist as Reimu, so it's not surprising that both are given equal treatment. That being said, Reimu is used more in scoring runs...<br />
:::Now, regarding the "Strength" section. I am having a bit of a hard time trying to follow and reword this. As well, I interpret <br />
::::"Even when Reimu and the gang are defeated they challenge again however many times they want, but on the youkai side they do not challenge again after being defeated, and are not attached to the results of winning or losing..., to say it clearly it is assuredly an inconsequential thing^^;"<br />
:::as ZUN trying to handwave game mechanics and break the fourth wall. This is pretty much what happens when people play the Touhou games - they play as the protag. If the player gets "defeated, (he) challenges again however many times (he) wants". Youkai/computer part is also true. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 05:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Well, the fourth wall is broken in Touhou Project several times, not just in this instance. I think that it means that after losing and experiencing the bad endings, they challenge again until they get the good ending. As a player would, of course.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::For that reason though, I can't really use it to argue powerlevels. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 06:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well, that part is there to qualify the fact that she was able to resolve incidents - although she has enough power to be able to defeat last bosses and resolve incidents, this part is to explain that it might have taken several tries.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I mean, IMO, it's too much handwaving by ZUN to be properly applied in canon, which is why I'm hesitant to use that quote. For example, it is potentially incompatible with UFO's bad endings.[[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 06:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::It must be noted, though, that the place where that quote comes from (the former Gensou Bulletin Board) are pretty much all serious in the answers that ZUN gives to questions, spelling out a number of important things, which is why it is taken to be authoritative. So no matter how handwavy it seems, I think it should be taken to mean what it is.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:52, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I still believe that, despite how serious it may seem, it can be taken out of context. Notwithstanding that, the nature of danmaku battles themselves means that anybody has a chance to win, and could apply to any character really. <br />
:Also, I still have a problem with this sentence:<br />
::However, in various games, she had unusually high attack power and had been given favorable treatment compared to others, meaning that ZUN probably still likes her as well, despite being a supporting character.<br />
:ZUN, by necessity, has to balance his protagonists for his shooting games. Having high attack power is meaningless. I can turn around and counterargue that "Reimu had an unusually small hitbox and has been given favourable treatment compared to the others". Also, since when did being a supporting character mean that ZUN doesn't like her? Heck, he made an entire book dedicated to her. And Aya. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 07:03, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Well, without the specific examples, (and without the quote saying that she has an existence a human of a level close to us), it might be a little more unclear, but it was referring specifically to the unusual instances of what the fans call "Marisu-Cannon" in Imperishable Night (See [http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/マリス砲 here]) and also to laser Marisa's unusual attack power in Mountain of Faith, as well as the differences of her treatment compared to others in Subterranean Animism (that it is quite noticeable).<br />
::Reimu obviously already has favorable treatment - she is the main character and has been said by ZUN to be the strongest in Gensokyo (and whether this is a joke or not, there is probably a reason for it). But to say that Marisa is a "sub-character" or "supporting/minor character" (which is what {{lang|ja|脇役}} means) does have strong implications that she might not be favored, which is why that last part is there - to say that she is indeed favored.<br />
::In any case, since you asked about it, it seems quite unclear, so perhaps better wording is needed there.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 07:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Additionally, I do think there is a merit to re-introducing the quote from ZUN so that it is in blockquote format rather than a footnote. It does seem to be an important quote, although it might not be translated the best way - but to say it in a quote, rather than to merely paraphrase it would reveal fully that it is what ZUN's attitude towards her is, and it is the most important quote from ZUN about her. It must be noted that the Japanese wikipedia on Marisa quotes it at the very beginning of the first section of her page - see [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9C%A7%E9%9B%A8%E9%AD%94%E7%90%86%E6%B2%99 here]. The Japanese Wikipedia especially focuses on talking only about what is important, so if it is included in this way, I think that it really shouldn't just be a footnote. Tentatively, I shall re-add the quote as it was previously, although I do realize that perhaps the translation should be made better.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 07:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::As I mentioned before, in each game, each character has to be roughly even-powered out of necessity. This is a basic tenet of game design. You cannot have a game with one character being absurdly more powerful than the other (that being said, ZUN isn't perfect). You don't let any possible bias against one of your own characters affect how powerful she should be. Both Malice Cannon and Marisa B(orked) arose from game bugs. Having to mash SHIFT to trigger Malice Cannon (and Sticky Keys) is not a feature. Having to be unfocused b/w a certain number range is not a feature. They were unintended. If you want to stipulate that Marisa is not just a supporting character, using games (i.p. mechanics) as a source is not the way to go. Using SaBND, OSP, GoM, etc. would be far more convincing.<br />
:::And even as a sub character, that doesn't stop her inclusion in every game with Reimu in it. Every other character may as well be sub-sub-characters too.<br />
:::I strongly recommend against the use of block quotes for short quotes, just to emphasize a point. They are unsightly, and detract from the rest of the article. Wikipedia's guidelines reserve them for "more than about 40 words or a few hundred characters, or consisting of more than one paragraph, regardless of length". If it's that important, a direct quote w/ ref is sufficient. If the quote is that important, perhaps a section can be devoted to it. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 07:57, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess that what you say is true - however, as for her favorable treatment in Subterranean Animism, it seems to be something else, not arising from in-game mechanics. I shall look into that more. I shall also look into how to better incorporate the quote into the section rather than use a blockquote.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 08:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I have cut the following from trivia, for various reasons. They are either redundant or better put in an existing section.<br />
::*She is known for "copying" attacks from enemies she has fought, namely Non-Directional Laser from [[Patchouli Knowledge]] and Master Spark from [[Yuuka Kazami]]. Additionally, the green projectiles that she fires as a playable character seem to have been lifted from Reimu (see ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'') and the overall astronomy theme to her magic seems to have been learned from [[Mima]] (see ''Story of Eastern Wonderland'' when Marisa served Mima - Mima used [[Immaterial and Missing Power/Spell Cards/Marisa Kirisame|Orreries Sun]] during the last boss fight). Moreover, she used [[Alice Margatroid|Alice]]'s Artful Sacrifice as reference for her Shoot the Moon spell card.<br />
::*Marisa has a hobby of collecting things, whether they already belong to someone or not. It is stated that she never throws away anything she collects, which results in her house being the messiest in Gensokyo. However, she seems to collect items without knowing their true value; Rinnosuke once finds an ancient sword, namely the famous [[wikipedia:Kusanagi|Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi]] in a pile of scrap metal she owns.<br />
::[referring to Kirisame Magic Shop] (which does anything, from gambling predictions to youkai extermination to, according to Alice, plumbing)<br />
::[referring to Hakkero] a mini furnace in the shape of an octagonal block with the eight trigrams printed in a circle on its front; (it fits easily in the hand); Despite being a western style magician and fitting the classic image of a witch, Marisa's most precious item is an eastern style [[Hakkero]]. Despite its small size, it is a potent source of magical energy and has the firepower to burn down a mountain. Marisa usually uses it like a normal furnace and treats it with good care. It is the only treasure Marisa collected that is used and taken care of on a regular basis. Marisa is frequently depicted using the Hakkero to power her Master Spark. The original Hakkero was an item in the Chinese classic "Journey to the West", where it was used by gods to create spiritual medicine.<br />
::*Marisa is the Extra boss of ''Fairy Wars''. After Cirno defeats the other fairies, Marisa comes by and to her bewilderment is attacked by the fired-up ice fairy. Upon defeat, Cirno crows about her victory and flies off, but Marisa reveals she was holding back, although she notes not to underestimate fairies in the future.<br />
:[[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 18:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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In case it may be questionable that I re-added the first thing cut from general outline into "abilities," it is because it was mentioned in Perfect Memento precisely in Marisa's "Ability" section. In fact, it probably does have more to do with Marisa's ability more than anything else.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 03:18, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't mind if the info gets added/moved, so long as redundancy is avoided, language is concise, and it fits okay in the section. For instance, your new info (Marisa's future aspirations) made a trivia mention redundant. <br />
::*There have been several hints that Marisa might become a youkai [[magician]] in the future; [[Hieda no Akyuu|Akyuu]] comments on the possibility in her Perfect Memento article, and in ''Undefined Fantastic Object'', she becomes evasive when [[Minamitsu Murasa]] points out that she's human after Marisa expresses interest going to Makai "as a magician" (though this could be explained by Marisa having tried to claim she was already a youkai).<br />
:[[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 03:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Game Appearance Tally ==<br />
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Are we counting endings for the purposes of counting number of appearances in games? If so, FW does feature Reimu in an ending. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 18:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Appearances in endings may or may not be counted - so there are effectively three ways of counting:<br />
#Appearances in the middle of the game<br />
#Appearances in the middle of the game + ending<br />
#Appearances in the middle of the game + ending + attached text files<br />
:I think that #1 way of counting is primary but #2 or #3 way of counting can additionally be noted if it is relevant to the context.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 23:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Along with Yumemi Okazaki, Soga no Tojiko and Remilia, Marisa is one of the four Touhou characters to officially curse in-game." ? ==<br />
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Maybe it's just I don't have the knowledge in English but I'm asking anyway. What does "curse" in this sentence mean? I've looked up the dictionary ([http://www.thefreedictionary.com/curse TheFreeDictionary]) but I can't find a meaning that matches the context here.--[[User:Doncot|Doncot]] ([[User talk:Doncot|talk]]) 05:57, 10 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
:Definition 4. A swearword. As far as I've heard, in some English translations, a colorful swear was chosen where it was believed to match the context. For instance, in Imperishable Night, Marisa once said "bitch." Of course, this is misleading, and as far as I know, no one in Touhou actually swears. Marisa's dialogue on the wiki has since been changed, but the misconception still exists. <br />
:But if it's true that no character actually swears, then curses or mentions of them doing so (like this trivia) should be removed. [[User:UTW|UTW]] 06:15, 10 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
::Well the concept of "swearing" in Japanese is very different from that in English (we actually don't have "swear words" in Japanese. We do have "vulgar", "dirty", "dishonorable" and "socially unacceptable" words, but I think normal English speakers will have different impressions from these to "swear words"), and that description is short-mindedly only standing on the viewpoint of the "translated English", so yes I believe it should be removed.--[[User:Doncot|Doncot]] ([[User talk:Doncot|talk]]) 07:02, 10 October 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Redundancy in the Page ==<br />
There are some things mentioned more than once on this page. Examples:<br />
:Marisa's magic is the result of her hard work, but she hides that from other people.<br />
:Marisa's broom has shown signs of life (sprouting leaves) due to exposure to magic.<br />
:Her magic abilities are unusually powerful for a human.<br />
I am not sure how much redundancy is allowable due to the relevancy of the information to different sections, but I do think there is too much repetition across this article.<br />
[[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 18:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Marisa_Kirisame&diff=328379Marisa Kirisame2014-09-20T18:02:00Z<p>Karob: Lots of cleanup and clarification to improve readability. An incomplete effort, though.</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Character<br />
| nameJp ={{ruby-ja|霧雨|きりさめ}} {{ruby-ja|魔理沙|まりさ}}<br />
| nameEn =Marisa Kirisame<br />
| nameIPA =kʲiɽʲisame maɽʲisa [[Media:Pronunciation_MarisaKirisame.ogg|(♫)]]<br />
| image =[[File:Th14Marisa.png|x380px|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| caption =Marisa Kirisame in [[Double Dealing Character]]<br />
| chartitle ={{H:title|Ordinary Magician|普通の魔法使い}}<br />
| species =[[Human]]<br />
| abilities =Using magic (Specialized in light and heat magic)<br />
| age =A child in [[PC-98]] [[canon]]; about the same age as [[Reimu Hakurei|Reimu]] in [[Windows]] canon<ref>[[Lotus Land Story]]: [[Lotus Land Story/Translation/Manual|Manual]] — "She is very intelligent, and is looking for power, but is still a child." "She looks much more like a child than Reimu (though Reimu also looks like a child) but their ages are very close."</ref><br />
| occupation =[[Magician]], Kirisame Magic Shop owner, burglar, part-time [[youkai]] hunter<br />
| location =The Kirisame household in the [[Forest of Magic]]<br />
| MusicThemes =*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|恋色マジック}}|Love-coloured Magic}} ([[Story of Eastern Wonderland]], [[Immaterial and Missing Power]], [[Touhou Hisoutensoku]])<br />
*{{H:title|Dim. Dream|Dimensional Dream}} ([[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|星の器 ~}} Casket of Star|Vessel of Stars ~ Casket of Star}} ([[Lotus Land Story]], [[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|魔女達の舞踏会}}|The Witches' Ball}} ([[Shuusou Gyoku]], [[Immaterial and Missing Power]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|恋色マスタースパーク}}|Love-colored Master Spark}} ([[Imperishable Night]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|オリエンタルダークフライト}}|Oriental Dark Flight}} ([[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|メイガスナイト}}|Magus Night}} ([[Fairy Wars]], [[Hopeless Masquerade]])<br />
| appOfficialgames = *[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]] (Cover, Stage 4 Boss)<br />
*[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]] (Playable Character, Possible Opponent)<br />
*[[Lotus Land Story]] (Title Screen, Playable Character, Stage 4 Boss)<br />
*[[Mystic Square]] (Playable Character)<br />
*[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]] (Playable Character)<br />
*[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]] (Playable Character)<br />
*[[Immaterial and Missing Power]] (Playable Character, Possible Opponent)<br />
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{{nihongo|'''Marisa Kirisame'''|霧雨 魔理沙|Kirisame Marisa}} is an ordinary [[human]] [[magician]] who specializes in light and heat magic and currently resides in the [[Forest of Magic]]. Her motto is: "It ain't magic if it ain't flashy. Danmaku's all about firepower,"<ref name="gumon_117-120">[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]: [[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense/Marisa Kirisame|Marisa Kirisame]]</ref> and she has a compulsive mania for collecting things. She is considered to be one of the protagonists of the ''[[Touhou Project]]'', with the other protagonist being [[Reimu Hakurei]].<br />
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==General Information==<br />
Marisa is a common playable character in most subsequent games throughout the series with somewhat rare alternative roles such as being an Extra [[stage]] [[boss]]. Her first ever appearance in the ''[[Touhou Project]]'' was in the second [[PC-98]] game ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'' as the fourth stage boss and a subordinate to [[Mima]]. Although she debuted later than [[Reimu Hakurei]], she was an Extra Stage boss in ''[[Fairy Wars]]'', equaling Reimu in the total number of game appearances. [[ZUN]] has stated that the PC-98 era is not to be considered [[canon]], although he admits that there are some connections between the PC-98 and the [[Windows]] era, and that the PC-98 Marisa is the same character as the Marisa known today. Additionally, she has made a guest appearance as the first Extra stage boss in the ''[[Seihou Project]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s first work ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]''.<br />
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As opposed to Reimu, [[ZUN]] has said that "concerning Marisa, if there were no humans of a level close to us, then then we could not have a conversation about anyone, which is what I feel is the reason [that she is in Touhou]. She is a ''supporting character''" and "a supporting character with appeal. Concretely it is 'that', but, she is a ''sub-character''."{{reference needed|Source to this quote}} Unlike Reimu, who is blessed with innate abilities, Marisa plays the role of serving as a contrast by being the hard working type of character instead.<br />
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Marisa has the height of a girl in her early teens and is in the "fairly short" group.<ref>[[ZUN's E-mails]]</ref> Unlike [[Patchouli Knowledge]] and [[Alice Margatroid]], who are magicians by species, she is merely an ordinary [[human]] who uses magic. In the games themselves, she's a character who consistently stresses high power and quick speed. She exceeds in attack and penetration power, but her attack range is generally narrow. Her signature move is the tremendous laser Master Spark. She has good speed and power, but poor melee technique.<ref>[[Shanghai Alice Correspondence]] - [[Immaterial and Missing Power]]</ref><br />
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===Personality===<br />
Marisa is very straightforward and informal with everyone. She can be condescending, as if trying to make fool of others, and often has difficulty expressing sympathy.<ref name="gumon_117-120" /> She is quick to act if she hears anything interesting. Marisa is also a habitual liar, but she makes no effort to actually deceive as her lies are extremely obvious.<br />
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She has a mania for collecting things and may have a [[wikipedia:Compulsive hoarding|hoarding disorder]]. She is unyielding and uncooperative. As a hard worker, she is very diligent, but she doesn't like others to know that.<br />
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Unlike most characters, Marisa is known to speak in a distinct speech tone. The most typical and known example of this is the use of the sentence ending particle {{nihongo||ぜ|ze}}. "Ze" used at the end of verb stems delivers a "mannish" and "impolite" sound to the listener/reader. ''Ze'' is mostly used in a context to express one's will to act (similar to "let's" in English), and using it in other cases sound somewhat unnatural, perhaps "phony" or "showy". While she does speak in a rather "manly" tone, she doesn't speak in a "rough" and "masculine" language, but in an "impolite/casual" and "''boyish''" one.<br />
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In the [[PC-98]], Marisa's way of speaking included adding "~da ze" to the end of a sentences and "~ka?" to the end of questions as well as using {{nihongo||私|watashi|lit. "I"}} (frequently considered to be a male way of speaking). However, in ''Story of Eastern Wonderland'', she used {{nihongo||あたい|atai|lit. "I"}} and the expression "kyahaha", which are female ways of speaking. And, other than the fourth [[stage]] in ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'' and ''[[Lotus Land Story]]'', her use of "I" had become "{{lang|ja|私}}", but she laughed with "ufufu". Furthermore, in ''[[Mystic Square]]'' she didn't laugh, and, other than female ways of speaking, she had become pretty much the same as she is now. Also, although in ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'' and ''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]'' there are a few traces of [[PC-98]] references, she did not say "~desu wa" in the PC-98 canon as she does today.<br />
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In the endings of the later PC-98 games her speaking style was pretty much the same as she is now today, and in the previous game ''Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream'' the character [[Chiyuri Kitashirakawa]] had a speaking style resembling Marisa in Windows canon. This could have been one source of influence. Although at first in ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]'', she spoke with a female speaking style, immediately she then began to use a speaking style that is the same as she uses now.<br />
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===Occupation===<br />
It isn't directly stated how Marisa makes a living. She does state in ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'' Chapter 9 that she regularly goes to the [[Hakurei Shrine]] to take away Reimu's [[youkai]] extermination jobs and ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'' implies it as well, making it a likely source of income. She's also written a book called ''[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]'' that reviews various [[spell card]]s by different owners of a spell; she's shown a desire to try and sell the book.<ref>[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]: [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Foreword|Foreword]] — "Well, if it doesn't, I'll just name it something grandiose like the Illusion Danmaku Artifact Encyclopedia and palm it off to a library for a high price, so it'd be OK either way..."</ref><ref>[[Touhou Hisoutensoku]]: [[Touhou Hisoutensoku/Translation/Marisa's Script|Marisa's Script]] — "Speaking of which, I wrote a book too! It's bad of me to keep borrowing books, so I'll put my book here at the library this time! How much will you pay for it?"</ref>.<br />
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;Kirisame Magic Shop<br />
Marisa runs a shop for anything as an attachment to her own house. Although it is her primary occupation, she is usually absent. Inside the shop, it is so unimaginably disordered that it becomes like a mini-Forest of Magic.<ref name="gumon_117-120" /><br />
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''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'' provides some information on the magic shop.<ref name="gumon_117-120" /> Though Marisa is surprisingly honest with her services, refusing to take payment for a failed job, the shop sees little use due to its difficult-to-find location in the [[Forest of Magic]] and the ambiguity of what her services actually are. (In ''[[東方三月精|Touhou Sangetsusei]]'', on the Kirisame Magic Shop's signboard, other than the shop name, nothing is written but "what will you do" ({{lang|ja|なんかします}}).) The [[Three Fairies of Light]] were her first customers to her shop, but ''Perfect Memento in Strict Sense'' implies she's had other customers since then, albeit not many.<br />
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;Burglary<br />
[[File:018Marisa.JPG|thumb|left|150px|Marisa caught committing burglary.]]<br />
According to ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', Marisa boldly breaks in from the front and openly says her motto "I'll borrow these ze" while carrying things off. She mostly steals books, so she might not be the kind who steals money. Her ability to "learn other people's moves" might originate from her nature as a thief.<br />
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As opposed to how she was commented to be a "prowler" in ''[[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red]]'', Marisa said: "My life is way shorter than yours anyway, so can't you just take back everythin' after I kick the bucket? I'm just borrowin' until then. It should be good for the stuff I'm taking that way, too." [[Aya Shameimaru]]'s response was "The contents of the excerpt are very human-like and childish".<br />
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In ''[[Subterranean Animism]]'', Marisa mentions "(being) a thief" concerning the book she stole from [[Patchouli Knowledge]]. In the Extra Stage of that game, [[Koishi Komeiji]] pointed out "Are you the doll-using thief". Afterwards, when there was nobody at the [[Moriya Shrine]], she crept in, but was discovered by [[Kanako Yasaka]] and the others and was harshly punished.<br />
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===Possessions===<br />
;Magic broom<br />
The Magic broom is a bamboo broom that Marisa uses to fly. It is an ordinary broom, but constant exposure to magic has caused a curious growth to begin. Although the bamboo is dead, leaves appear to be sprouting from the handle, independently from Marisa's magic.<ref name="gumon_117-120" /> Although in the shooting games, it was only something to ride on, in the fighting games, it has become a weapon for striking, and a gun barrel from which to shoot [[danmaku]] from, thus serving various purposes. The broom and her magician-like clothing is typical for an actual magician.<br />
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;Mini-Hakkero<br />
{{Main|Mini-Hakkero}}<br />
[[File:Spark lesson.jpg|thumb|Marisa's lesson (Unofficial image)]]<br />
The mini-Hakkero, Marisa's treasured item, is a furnace that she uses to power her signature move ''Master Spark''. From the flame of a table-top stove, to that of a flamethrower, to a powerful and unmatched wide magicannon, the mini-Hakkero has a convenient range of uses.<ref name="gumon_117-120" /><ref>[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]: Chapter number needed</ref> Marisa herself said, "I can't even think of makin' a livin' without it." <ref>[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]: [[Curiosities of Lotus Asia/Chapter 06|Chapter 6]]</ref> It was given to Marisa by [[Rinnosuke Morichika]] as a farewell gift when Marisa left her family to live in the [[Forest of Magic]], even though it'd be risky for a girl of her age to handle.<br />
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A magic lecture related to this item was written as follows:<br />
<blockquote>"While shooting concentrate your mind, gently muttering the spell to the Mini-Hakkero. Aiming at someone you don't like, a magicannon of love will be unleashed! <br />
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— ''[[Imperishable Night]]'': [[Imperishable Night/Spell Cards/Stage 4B#Spell Card 100|Spell card 100]] — Marisa's Magic Lecture</blockquote><br />
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;Mushroom Item<br />
Marisa carries, concealed in her skirt, a dangerous finished product of mushrooms made from mushroom magic. After throwing the item, it explodes. The fact that she conceals them in her skirt seemed dangerous even to [[Hieda no Akyuu]] as noted in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]''.<br />
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==Ability and strength==<br />
Marisa is a normal human with no innate abilities, but her true strength lies in her ability to use one of the highest classes of magic power that [[human]]s can use – an unusual feat perhaps only possible because of the effects of the [[Forest of Magic]].<ref name="gumon_117-120"/> She's also faced very powerful humans and [[youkai]] and was able to solve a number of incidents in various scenarios, all being high achievements. However, her existence is closest to an ordinary person; she was born without any innate abilities (unlike [[Reimu Hakurei]]) and has been compared to "humans of a level close to us" by [[ZUN]]. As a result, the interpretations of Marisa's power can go to extremes. She has an attachment to power and has self-belief in ostentatious display of power. She always finds opponents to fight and plays by finding faults. However, as she's actually a hard worker, she hides that power and does training{{clarify|what power does she hide? do you mean she hides the fact that her power is due to training?}}.<ref name="SGZUN">'''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]''': {{lang|ja|創曲幻想}}.txt</ref><br />
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The attached text file for ''[[Imperishable Night]]'' says "Since the player characters are of the Last Boss class (But Reimu and the gang are stronger than that last boss class)..." Marisa is likely to be stronger than the last boss class, but it is unclear whether or not this is limited to just [[danmaku]] battles or if it also includes unrestricted combat ability.{{clarify}}<br />
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In her previous fights, although she was sometimes able to defeat powerful foes such as [[Remilia Scarlet]] and [[Yuyuko Saigyouji]], there were also times in ''[[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]]'' where she was defeated by [[Cirno]] and [[Mystia Lorelei]], among others. In ''[[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]]'', she defeated many youkai and human opponents, but not overwhelmingly. Also, the story of that game ends with her being defeated by [[Tenshi Hinanawi]] giving forth her true effort. In ''[[Fairy Wars]]'', she let her guard down when fighting Cirno, but Cirno still appeared to be "defeated", where it also tired out Marisa.<br />
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Concerning her resolution of incidents, ZUN has said that "Even when Reimu and the gang are defeated, they challenge again however many times they want, but on the youkai side they don't challenge again after being defeated, and are not attached to the results of winning or losing... to say it clearly, it is assuredly an inconsequential thing^^;" Whether they win or lose is not important, and it is unclear how many tries she needed to defeat the last [[boss]]es.<ref>{{cite web|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20050911212128/http://gensou.s93.xrea.com/world/qa0307.html|title=Former Mayohiga-net's Gensou Bulletin Board log|date=11 September, 2005|accessdate=5 January, 2012|language=Japanese}}</ref><br />
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===Using magic===<br />
Marisa has trained herself in magic that specializes in light and heat. She's an Eastern [[magician]] who takes a Western approach to magic, the opposite of [[Patchouli Knowledge]]. Although she's unable to use magic other than for destroying stuff, the destructive power alone is tremendous. It has few weaknesses, being equally effective against [[human]] or [[youkai]]. When she uses the [[spell card]] system, she makes a display of flashy magic while exterminating youkai without regret. Her magic makes for a good show for [[danmaku]], but this is made possible only through her strenuous honest effort in creating layered effects. The majority of her spells rely on power over finesse and are themed after stars and other astronomical phenomena.<br />
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Marisa picks and collects various exotic mushrooms that live in the [[Forest of Magic]]. She boils them, crushes them, dries them, and furthermore mixes them, making strange chemicals or medicine. By heating them, submerging them into water, or by throwing things in directly, through trial and error, she finds a pattern from which magic-like materials come forth. Success or failure, she records the details of each experiment.<ref name="gumon_117-120" /> In her house, there are a ton of various handmade grimoires.<br />
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She isn't seen as a hard-working individual by others, so it'd seem that this hard work in performing these magical experiments is something done honestly and hidden. But, since the aforementioned was recorded in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', people around her may've found out about it. According to ''Perfect Memento in Strict Sense'', it's strange for a human to have mastery of magic of this level.<br />
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Also, Marisa is able to wield other kinds of magic other than light and heat magic, her best spiritual affinity being with water.<ref>[[Immaterial and Missing Power/Story/Patchouli's Script#Patchouli beats Marisa]]</ref> In ''[[Imperishable Night]]'', the magic to stop the night might be Marisa's; she worked out magic for the sake of organizing a disheveled room, but ended up making it even more disorganized, and she hasn't had any success in it so far. In ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'', "Cold Inferno" – an elemental magic – was introduced.<ref>[[Mountain of Faith]]: Gameplay — MarisaC's regular shot</ref> She also uses magic to summon hot spring veins, as well as magic to change people's clothes in an instant.<ref>[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]: Manual</ref><ref>[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]: Chapter 9 — She also even changed Reimu's clothing in an instant.</ref><br />
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In the [[PC-98]], she used star magic as she does today. In ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]'', she fought using Orreries and was able to duplicate herself.<br />
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===Fly in the sky===<br />
[[File:ThGK Kakashi4.jpg|thumb|200px|Fight between Marisa and [[Cirno]] in ''[[Fairy Wars]]'', as shown in ''[[Symposium of Post-mysticism]]''; notice her use of a broom compared to the game that doesn't show her using a broom.]]<br />
Marisa is almost always depicted as riding on her broom when she flies in the sky. In the fighting spinoffs, she rides a broom only during assault skills like ''Witch Leyline'' and ''Stardust Reverie'', while for all other occasions such as her intro sequence and her midair dash and flight, she flies without a broom. However, the graphics in those games were drawn by [[Twilight Frontier]], not by [[ZUN]], so this doesn't firmly confirm that Marisa is able to fly without a broom. In ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]'', however, she flew without a broom.<br />
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''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'' states she uses the magic broom to ride around on because she believes it's an essential tool for a magician. It was originally a normal broom but sprouted leaves as a side effect of Marisa using it in magic rituals. Whether she actually needs her broom to fly or if it's just for show is unconfirmed.<br />
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The speed at which she rides a broom to fly is potentially the fastest for a human, this fact being echoed in the games. Although [[ZUN]] has mentioned that [[Aya Shameimaru]] is the fastest in [[Gensokyo]], it has never been confirmed that Aya is actually faster than Marisa, as the two never contested with each other in terms of speed.<br />
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In ''[[Fairy Wars]]'', her broom is nowhere in sight; it is possible that [[Makoto Hirasaka]] may've simply chose not to draw the broom into the sprite or has forgot about it. She was, however, seen with one in [[Symposium of Post-mysticism/Kakashi Spirit News 4|her article with Cirno]] in ''[[Symposium of Post-mysticism]]'' about this fight.<br />
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===Learning other people's moves===<br />
[[File:Marisa'sCopyComparison.png|thumb|200px|A comparison between the originator of an attack and Marisa's copy of it.]]<br />
Marisa's ''Love Sign "Non-directional Laser"'' was copied from [[Patchouli Knowledge]]'s regular attack from ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'' as confirmed by [[ZUN]].<ref>[[Imperishable Night]]: [[Imperishable Night/Spell Cards/Stage 4B#Spell Card 087|spell card 087]] — "...but it [Non-directional Laser]'s still an attack we've seen before."</ref> Other than that, there are also others suggested to have been stolen: the Love Sign "Master Spark" that resembles [[Yuuka Kazami]]'s and [[Gengetsu]]'s laser from ''[[Lotus Land Story]]'', her Orreries Sun that resembles [[Mima]]'s, and the Cold Inferno that resembles [[Remilia Scarlet]]'s familiar in ''[[Imperishable Night]]''. However, there is no official evidence that these are also copied moves.<br />
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It's unknown if Marisa is inherently talented at imitating others' moves, or if she simply manages to do so due to sheer effort. She uses her [[mini-Hakkero]] to use the Master Spark, while Yuuka uses her version of the laser through other means.<ref>[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]: [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Marisa Kirisame's Spell Cards|Marisa Kirisame's spell cards]]: "...I'm using the mini-Hakkero to create the laser (for her Master Spark)..."</ref> Thus, her copying of the master spark seems more analogous to a person copying a fire-breathing dragon by using a flamethrower rather than a person copying a fire-breathing dragon by breathing flames merely through observation. Marisa also states that she can't imitate [[Kaguya Houraisan]]'s spell cards because they use special items that she doesn't possess.<ref>[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]: [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Kaguya Houraisan's Spell Cards|Kaguya Houraisan's Spell Cards]] — "In the end, Kaguya's spell cards all make use of special items, so I realize that they can't be referenced."</ref> In that case, it's analogous to a person being unable to copy a fire-breathing dragon because there are no devices on hand.<br />
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It's unlikely her implied tendency to copy other's moves is abnormal, as magicians such as Marisa build upon the work of others. Marisa claims in ''[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]'' that it's "magicians who build on observation", while [[Patchouli Knowledge]] uses the pride of magicians to add their own original touch to another's work while preserving and respecting the original.<ref name="SSiBCh6">''[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]'' Chapter 6</ref> Magicians seek the truth according to Patchouli.<ref>[[Touhou Hisoutensoku]]: [[Touhou Hisoutensoku/Translation/Patchouli's Script|Patchouli's Script]] — "If you want to sort them, tengu are the magician types. They're the same in seeking the truth."</ref> They act like researchers in this sense, building upon the work of others. However, other magicians such as Patchouli and [[Alice Margatroid]] haven't been depicted using imitations as blatant as Marisa's for spell cards.<br />
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==Character Design==<br />
[[File:PMiSS marisa.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Marisa, as illustrated in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]''.]]<br />
===Name===<br />
Her full name is {{nihongo|''Marisa Kirisame''|霧雨 魔理沙}}. Her surname {{nihongo||霧雨|Kirisame|lit. "mist rain"}} means "[[wikipedia:drizzle|drizzle]]" in Japanese. The [[wikipedia:kanji|kanji]] used in her given name {{nihongo||[[wiktionary:魔|魔]]|ma}} is highly likely to come from the "ma" in {{nihongo||'''魔'''法|'''ma'''hou|"magic"}} and with {{nihongo||[[wiktionary:理|理]]|ri}} able to be interpreted as {{nihongo|"logic/law/theory"|理|kotowari}}, it can be said that they deliver the idea of her being a magician/witch. In addition, the kanji {{nihongo||沙|sa|lit. "small sand"}} doesn't have an actual meaning, but it's often used in Japanese given names to get the sound/look of "girlishness" (different kanji, but the same idea is used in [[Minamitsu Murasa]]'s name too).<br />
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''[[Wikipedia:Marisa (given name)|Marisa]]'' is also a female given name with origins in the Romance languages, which is a variant of Latin "[[wiktionary:maris|maris]]", meaning "of the sea", but may also mean "manly". If her name was based on this, then it's very likely to indicate Marisa's character being a mix of both Eastern and Western cultures.<br />
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In ''[[The Story of Eastern Wonderland]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s gameplay, her name was written as {{lang|ja|魔'''[[wiktionary:梨|梨]]'''沙}}, with the kanji meaning "pear". In that game's attached text files and bad endings it was written as {{lang|ja|魔'''理'''沙}}. Since then, her name is still written as {{lang|ja|魔'''理'''沙}}, so {{lang|ja|魔'''梨'''沙}} was probably a typo.<br />
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===Design===<br />
In [[PC-98]] [[canon]], Marisa is depicted as having red eyes and red hair in ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', wearing a purple witch's outfit with a white bow on her hat. However, her appearance quickly changes with ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'', where she has yellow eyes and blonde hair similar to the [[Windows]] canon, which stay with her for the rest of the series. There was one instance where she grew black devil-like wings. In ''[[Mystic Square]]'', her outfit changes from purple to black, which also stays with her for the rest of the series, and her hat gains faint pink frills.<br />
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Her clothing also changes somewhat, and her present black-and-white color scheme was achieved in the space between the PC-98 and Windows eras, when she participated in ''[[Seihou Project]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s first work ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]''; she showed up with white wings. In ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'' onward, she wears a faint pink apron on top of her clothes. In ''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]'', she gains a faint pink shirt under her black clothing. Marisa's appearance changes slightly with each release, such as a change in her hat bow's color, a change in her ribbon's color tied to her braid or a change in hair style. Also, in most of the games, she carries a broom with her.<br />
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As of ''[[Ten Desires]]'', her hat's bow is purple, she has a purple ribbon tied to the braid on the left side of her hair, her shoes are maroon colored with small purple ribbons on them, and she has a red ribbon tied to her neck. In ''[[Hopeless Masquerade]]'', she uses dark blue clothes instead of her normal black clothes, she now uses dark blue boots instead of dark shoes, her hat's bow is white and she doesn't have her usual braid on the left side of her hair.<br />
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==Story==<br />
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===Games===<br />
[[File:Th02marisa.png|thumb|Marisa as she appears in ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]''.]]<br />
;PC-98<br />
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Marisa's adventure in the [[PC-98]] started in ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', where she was a minion of [[Mima]], tasked with keeping [[Reimu Hakurei]] from reaching Mima, but was defeated.<br />
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Later in ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]]'', Marisa followed Mima and found Reimu at some old ruins, which promise a fantastic prize for whoever enters. A battle with six others for the prize ensues. Then in ''[[Lotus Land Story]]'', Marisa senses a great magic power and wishes to make it hers. She heads towards to the [[Lake of Blood]] without Reimu's knowledge, not letting anyone stand in her quest for power and encounters [[Yuuka Kazami]]. Her title in both of these games is "A Being Made of Magic and Red Dreams"<br />
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Finally in ''[[Mystic Square]]'', Marisa watches Reimu ram into a gate to [[Makai]] and decides to follow behind her, her primary motivation being boredom. Her title was just "Magician".<br />
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;''Shuusou Gyoku''<br />
[[File:Sh01Marisa.png|thumb|Marisa as she appears in ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]''.]]<br />
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:{{Main|Shuusou Gyoku/Story/Extra Scenario|l1=Shuusou Gyoku: Extra Scenario}}<br />
Marisa has made a guest appearance as the first Extra stage [[boss]] of ''[[Seihou Project]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s first work ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]'', a [[danmaku]] game series by the junior doujin circle "[[Shunsatsu sare do?]]", where [[ZUN]] also contributed music and art to the game. It seems like ZUN put her in the game along with [[Reimu Hakurei]]. Her title was "Magician of Red Dreams" and her theme was "The Witches' Ball ~ Magus". To add to this, [[Yuuka Kazami]] made a guest appearances in the following work, ''[[Kioh Gyoku]]''.<br />
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She seems to have no view towards the [[Seihou World]]; she doesn't know that there's no vegetation and has no thoughts about scientific machinery, but she's aware of what the [[Holy Grail]] is. Curious why [[VIVIT]] and her master [[Erich]] wanting the grail, she fights her, but was defeated. She was then thudded by [[Reimu Hakurei]] for fighting at the [[Hakurei Shrine]].<br />
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;Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil<br />
:{{Main|Embodiment of Scarlet Devil/Story/Marisa's Scenario|l1=Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil Story}}<br />
While flying through the sky, Marisa notices she suddenly cannot see the lake. She swoops in to check out the situation.<br />
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;Perfect Cherry Blossom<br />
:{{Main|Perfect Cherry Blossom/Story/Marisa's Scenario|l1=Perfect Cherry Blossom Story}}<br />
During the May of a seemingly endless winter, cherry blossom petals land outside Marisa's house. She follows these petals in search of spring.<br />
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;Immaterial and Missing Power<br />
:{{Main|Immaterial and Missing Power/Story#Marisa's Story|l1=Immaterial and Missing Power Story}}<br />
A strange feast catches Marisa's attention, so she goes to look for clues.<br />
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;Imperishable Night<br />
:{{Main|Imperishable Night/Story/Magic Team's Scenario 1|l1=Imperishable Night Story}}<br />
Alice is perturbed about the [[Moon]], so she decides to bribe Marisa into coming along with her to find out who is responsible for the fake Moon.<br />
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;Phantasmagoria of Flower View<br />
:{{Main|Phantasmagoria of Flower View/Story#Marisa's Story|l1=Phantasmagoria of Flower View Story}}<br />
The flowers are blooming out of season, but this doesn't bother Marisa much at first. She simply wants to find out who's responsible for it and will be the first to know why.<br />
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;Mountain of Faith<br />
:{{Main|Mountain of Faith/Story/Marisa's Scenario|l1=Mountain of Faith Story}}<br />
Marisa sees that something is bothering Reimu and finds out that a rival shrine wants to take over. Marisa isn't going to sit back and let that happen, so if Reimu isn't going to do something about it, she certainly will.<br />
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;Scarlet Weather Rhapsody<br />
:{{Main|Scarlet Weather Rhapsody/Story#Marisa's Story|l1=Scarlet Weather Rhapsody Story}}<br />
Marisa is unable to dry her laundry because of the constant drizzle. Deciding something is wrong, she sets out to find the perpetrator.<br />
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;Subterranean Animism<br />
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A geyser appears behind the Hakurei Shrine, and Reimu and Marisa are ecstatic about their newfound hot spring. The youkai, however, are less than pleased as Earth spirits begin to spew out of the geyser. Patchouli and Yukari suspect it was an attempt to lure youkai into the geyser and decide to send Marisa instead to investigate.<br />
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;Undefined Fantastic Object<br />
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Marisa notices a ship flying through the sky and hopes to be able to plunder it for its riches.<br />
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;Touhou Hisoutensoku<br />
:{{Main|Touhou Hisoutensoku/Translation/Cirno's Scenario#Stage 3|l1=Cirno Arc}}<br />
Marisa is sitting in a hot spring when [[Cirno]] appears and asks her if she saw a [[Daidarabotchi]]. Marisa decides to give her a hard time and fights her. After Marisa was "surprisingly defeated", she point Cirno the [[Underground Geyser Center|the wrong way]]. After Cirno comes back after a realisation, Marisa points that she saw a giant figure in the [[Forest of Magic]]. Even Marisa was interested on what the giant was.<br />
:{{Main|Touhou Hisoutensoku/Translation/Meiling's Scenario#Stage 3|l1=Meiling Arc}}<br />
[[Taisui Xingjun]] is disguised as Marisa in [[Hong Meiling]]'s dream, but she sees through this pseudo and battles him.<br />
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;Fairy Wars<br />
[[File:Marisa-FW.png|thumb|175px|Marisa in ''[[Fairy Wars]]'', by [[Makoto Hirasaka]].]]<br />
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While Marisa is returning from a flower-viewing session, [[Cirno]] shows up and asks for a fight. Marisa doesn't take the request very seriously at first, but she decides to fight using her non-deadly lasers. Surprisingly, Cirno puts up a good fight and actually manages to defeat Marisa, although Cirno appears to be defeated instead. Marisa just heads back home after the fight to rest.<br />
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;Ten Desires<br />
:{{Main|Ten Desires/Story/Marisa's Scenario|l1=Ten Desires Marisa Arc}}<br />
An influx of Divine Spirits will block the flower-viewing, so Marisa wants to be the first to solve it.<br />
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;''Impossible Spell Card''<br />
:{{Main|Impossible Spell Card#Story|l1=Impossible Spell Card: Story}}<br />
After apparently reading the newspaper by the [[tengu]] about a mischief-making [[amanojaku]], she becomes one of the many strong [[youkai]] and [[human]]s to try and stop [[Seija Kijin]]. She uses [[spell card]]s that are considered impossible to dodge.<br />
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===Literature===<br />
;Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red<br />
:{{Main|Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red/Marisa|l1=Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red Article and Interview: Marisa}}<br />
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;Symposium of Post-mysticism<br />
Marisa acts as the moderator for the forum held involving [[Kanako]], [[Byakuren]], and [[Miko]].<br />
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==Relationships==<br />
Marisa has met a major amount of characters that've appeared within the ''[[Touhou Project]]''.<br />
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===Reimu Hakurei===<br />
[[File:GoMIllus-Reimu.jpg|thumb|192px|Reimu and Marisa fighting, as illustrated in ''[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]''.]]<br />
Marisa is good friends with [[Reimu Hakurei]] and often hangs out at the [[Hakurei Shrine]]. Although it was originally Reimu's job, Marisa also snatches requests for [[youkai]] extermination at her convenience. In addition to incidents, there are many scenes where they are together, especially in the print works. It is, however, never shown that Marisa has been inside the shrine.<br />
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Even though they are friends, they will occasionally end up fighting each other, over an incident they are trying to solve or sometimes for personal reasons. In her fights with Reimu, she wins about 40% of the time.<ref>[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]: Chapter 19 — Although it has not been made precise, a reasonable guess would be that she wins between 35% and 45% of the time.</ref> She is also jealous of how Reimu never does any training and yet is strong by her natural abilities, and so she is always bullied. In fact, if Reimu were not there, Marisa would die due to boredom, so their relationship is beneficial. However, whenever Reimu is involved in something strange, half the time it seems that Marisa induced it behind Reimu's back.<ref name="SGZUN" /><br />
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Before the [[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense|ninth volume of the Gensokyo Chronicles]] was completed, she and Reimu had already been friends for 4–5 years. This means that they have been friends since they were considerably young. In the print works, she eats together with Reimu at evening meals, which they also talk about in the games. <br />
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Marisa named Reimu's representative spell ''Fantasy Temperament''.<br />
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During the [[PC-98]] era, in good endings and bad endings, Marisa goes to the [[Hakurei Shrine]] to play. In the ''Lotus Land Story'' ending, the two went outside together in plain clothing, which implies that their relationship was good. In Marisa A's good ending of ''Lotus Land Story'', Reimu said that it would not be good for Marisa to interfere with her work. Furthermore, When Reimu reminded Marisa that it was dangerous, Marisa simply laughed and disregarded the warning. It appears that her daily life has not changed much.<br />
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If ''[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]'' [[Curiosities of Lotus Asia/Chapter 22|Chapter 22]] took place before ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', she may have already known and been friends with Reimu beforehand. Dialogue of the official version of ''Story of Eastern Wonderland'' does not explicitly state that it is their first meeting, although the dialogue in the trial version does. However, the [[canon]] between the [[PC-98]] and [[Windows]] eras is debatable.<br />
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===Family===<br />
Marisa's family runs a large second-hand shop in the [[Human Village]], called the "Kirisame Shop".<ref name"CoLACh19>[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]: Chapter 19</ref> As an only daughter,<ref name="gumon_117-120" /> if she does not marry and leave successors she cannot legally inherit the shop. Marisa has broken off relations with her family, and avoids everything related to them. She says to [[Rinnosuke Morichika]] that she will never go back to them.<ref name"CoLACh19>[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]: Chapter 7</ref><br />
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In ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', it is stated that her family is a private matter and the details are unclear. Also, the Kirisame Shop does not handle things related to magic items, which may be a reason why Marisa left. What the Kirisame Shop actually sells and the organisation of the family are not revealed. Because of this, her family is a an area of wide speculation. However, [[Marisa's unnamed father|her father]] has been confirmed to have been within [[Kourindou]]. None of her family members have been mentioned by name.<br />
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===Alice Margatroid===<br />
[[Alice Margatroid]] is a fellow magician of the [[Forest of Magic]]. They were partners in ''[[Imperishable Night]]'', and she also supported Marisa in ''[[Subterranean Animism]]''. Within the [[PC-98]] canon, they met during the events of ''[[Mystic Square]]'' and fought, but the dialogues leave open the possibility that they may have known each other prior to those events. They also fought each other in ''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]''.<br />
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In ''Imperishable Night'', they teamed up as a "bad relationship" combination. Alice mentions that the only reason she invited Marisa is because she was short on help. In the bad ending, while Marisa worked over the secret measures of the [[lunarian]]s, Alice was tired and chose to sleep instead. By the time of the events of ''[[Subterranean Animism]]'', Alice sent Marisa to the [[Underworld]] saying that it was a "onsen-enjoyment game". Compared to the time of ''Imperishable Night'', they had more amicable conversations, suggesting that their relationship has improved.<br />
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Also, although Alice possesses the magic book called the [[Grimoire of Alice]], Marisa has never stolen and returned it as she often does with books. Perhaps surprisingly, there have been no canonical instances of items being stolen from Alice.<br />
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Alice seems to have a love-hate relationship of sorts with Marisa, with the two often insulting and fighting each other, yet teaming up on several occasions. For all the bickering the two go through, they seem to be close friends, as Alice once recommended Marisa's shop to the [[Three Fairies of Light]] when they needed some [[youkai]] extermination. Furthermore, in ''Imperishable Night'''s bad ending, she is comfortable with sleeping over at Marisa's house.<br />
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===Residents of the [[Scarlet Devil Mansion]]===<br />
The residents of the mansion are fully aware of Marisa sneaking into the magic library. They generally look the other way, but various incidents and win quotes from the fighting games shows that they'll fight Marisa in a duel if they actually catch her in the act. At other times, they'll simply leave her be, such as the mansion's private moon viewing party, or Marisa's endings in ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'', where Sakuya even plays along with her, either serving her food or helping to conceal her from [[Remilia Scarlet]]. It's hinted Remilia already knows Marisa's there too, though, and both are just using the opportunity of playfully insulting Marisa as a rat. Though she's on friendly enough terms that these days she can walk in without any issue from most most of the residents, even if she takes books.<br />
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;Patchouli Knowledge<br />
[[Patchouli Knowledge]] is one of the victims who gets burgled by Marisa, but was supporting Marisa in ''[[Subterranean Animism]]''. How much and in what way Marisa would "steal" Patchouli's books is not clear, but in ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'', Marisa quoted "there are so many books, so I'll carry them off" to which Patchouli replied not to do so. Also, in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', something like "for Marisa, concerning books, she feels little guilt in stealing them so she often steals them." In ''Subterranean Animism'' Marisa was told by Patchouli that she has to steal lots of books from people's houses to which Marisa replied "Guess I gotta ... Just this once!".<br />
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Patchouli also allowed Marisa to stay in the library when Marisa got stuck in the mansion during a storm. However, after an incident in ''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]'' which left Patchouli buried under a book avalanche, Patchouli tells Marisa that she has no intention to lend Marisa books in a rather serious tone.<br />
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;Flandre Scarlet<br />
[[Flandre Scarlet]]'s conversation with Marisa in ''Embodiment of Scarlet Devil'' leave an impression that the two are quite friendly (especially when Flandre said, "that means, you can't use a continue!" to Marisa, but may have however been referring to the games gameplay, breaking the [[Fourth wall]]). However, in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', Marisa commented, "sometimes when I sneak into the Scarlet Devil Mansion, I run into the little sister. I had to slip by without drawin' her attention, but after goin' through all that to get into the place, I was hopin' I wouldn't run into her." <br />
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===Rinnosuke Morichika===<br />
[[Rinnosuke Morichika]] might be the second victim of the burglary profession, but in actuality, Marisa pretty much never carries off things from [[Kourindou]] at her convenience. As for why this is so, it is because Marisa is repeatedly in charge of collecting iron scraps, so though she doesn't steal, she's able to do bartering transactions. Rinnosuke also allows her to buy things on credit.<br />
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Rinnosuke's point of contact is that he helped fix Marisa's real family's Kirisame second-hand store. Although it's before Marisa was born, after Rinnosuke became independent and opened a shop, and repeatedly showed his face in the Kirisame second-hand store, and due to this connexion Marisa has known Rinnosuke since she was young. Perhaps due to this, the influences he had on her were not just one or two things. The fact that Marisa uses star magic as well as her mania for collecting things are verily from the start related to Rinnosuke.<br />
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From Marisa's side, having not changed since she was young, he exists as an "onii-san", and on Rinnosuke's side, and he has known her since she was a baby, there are also occasions when he treats her as a kid. Also, as a daughter of a mentor who has come to his help, she thinks that he is more or less diffidence, but if one looks at his conversations with Marisa, there are things said quite bluntly, and therefore it can't be seen as diffidence. If it needed to be said, they are related such that when Marisa takes charge of the iron scraps, she takes charge of them on unfairly easy terms. (Marisa's collected scraps are occasionally slipped into her precious articles.)<br />
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She must have known him at least since 1996, as from ''[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]'' [[Curiosities of Lotus Asia/Chapter 06|Chapter 6]]'s prologue, Marisa once eavesdropped on a conversation between Rinnosuke and her father during one of Rinnosuke's rare visits to the Kirisame residence, and Rinnosuke stated in [[Curiosities of Lotus Asia/Chapter 20|Chapter 20]] that it's been 10 years since he last saw [[Marisa's unnamed father|Marisa's father]].<br />
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Marisa thinks Rinnosuke is stiff with her because of her family, but the truth is Rinnosuke keeps his guard up with her because he doesn't want her to suspect when he's lying to her, particularly when it comes to her paying Rinnosuke with items that she collects. She is seen as an annoyance who constantly imposes herself on him and takes what she likes from the shop, but they're still on good terms and he seems to welcome her company. They're friendly enough that he created and later gave her the [[Hakkero]] when she left her parents' home. She is also the only one to call him by his nickname "Kourin", although whether it implies fondness, or just that they've known each other for so long, is unknown.<br />
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===Nitori Kawashiro===<br />
[[Nitori Kawashiro]] knows Marisa from the events of ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'', and fancies herself as a friend of Marisa's. She was a support character in ''[[Subterranean Animism]]''. Nitori is not a [[magician]] so it cannot be said that they have "good compatibility". That they are a [[magician]] with a zeal for research and an engineer with a vigourous thirst for knowledge, is something that could possibly be said to be a point at which they are alike fellows who'd get along easily. There's been no depiction where the [[Youkai Mountain]] has ever been a victim of her robbery. Nitori herself has a personality of liking humans. Nitori and her fellow [[kappa]] are seen associated with Marisa in ''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]'', possibly for mutual business purposes.<br />
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Even for Marisa who is habitually aloof from the world, in ''Subterranean Animism'''s conversations she was like someone in high spirits pressing on.<br />
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===Mima===<br />
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Within the [[PC-98]], Marisa was subservient to [[Mima]] and she tells Marisa to "train harder" in ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]]'' and Marisa saying "I beat Lady Mima". Currently, she's the sole character whom Marisa calls by a title of honour. Marisa admires Mima greatly, boasting that she can make a strategy guide in ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'''s omake because "there's no way Mima-sama can be beaten", and apologising to Mima when defeated by [[Reimu Hakurei]].<br />
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Moreover, in ''Story of Eastern Wonderland'', there was also a bit where Marisa manipulated star magic and sent forth something like "Orreries Sun", and afterwards Mima also used star magic and Orreries. In the [[Windows]] [[canon]], Marisa also has Orreries Sun as a spell card in ''[[Immaterial and Missing Power]]''.<br />
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However, in the original work, there wasn't even a single scene when Marisa and Mima ever had a mutual conversation together, and the unique talk is only in ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'''s winning expressions. In Mima's character settings, there's not a single statement related to Marisa, and in Marisa's character settings, there's nothing except for ''Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream'' where it said that she "longs for Mima and calls her 'Mima-sama.'" Additionally, [[ZUN]] himself refuses to answer any questions that's associated with this relationship.<ref name="GBB3">[[ZUN's reply to messages on the former Gensou Bulletin Board 3|ZUN's reply to messages on the former Gensou Bulletin Board 3]]</ref><br />
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===Three Fairies of Light===<br />
The [[Three Fairies of Light]] have from the beginning lived in the [[Forest of Magic]] and thus have known about Marisa before. Originally, the three fairies were simply fairies to be exterminated when Marisa caught them playing pranks on Reimu or herself. However, after the fairies became Marisa's first customers at her shop where she liberated (maybe) their house from [[Tsuchinoko]], the three fairies who are normally scared of strong people appear to have gradually grown closer together over the series.<br />
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Instead of exterminating them outright, Marisa would join in on their games and sometimes play pranks on them instead. Although they originally ran screaming in fear from her, by chapter 16, the fairies refer to her as "just Marisa", and are close enough to her that they'll actually hug her for warmth in the winter. In the fifteenth chapter of ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'', under the influence of alcohol, Marisa had the three fairies hanging, clinging to her neck, thus showing their close friendship. Reimu seems a bit perplexed at this sight, and starts referring to them as those fairies that Marisa is always hanging around. Marisa and the fairies proceed to team up to play a prank on Reimu. In later chapters, the fairies are happy to see her.<br />
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Marisa is initially unable to see the fairies' house. To all [[human]]s, fairy homes appear to be normal tree, even if they are actual houses from a fairy's point of view. However, for unexplained reasons, by the time of ''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]'', she is able to detect which tree is their new house simply by looking at it from a distance. Marisa herself seems surprised she can do this. She gives the fairies a cheerful nod and keeps it a secret from Reimu, who was attempting to find their house to evict them.<br />
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Although she didn't have a relation to the three fairies then, she also appeared in Sangetsusei's supplementary shooting game ''[[Fairy Wars]]''.<br />
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===Minor Relationships===<br />
;Mimi-chan<br />
In the [[PC-98]] [[canon]], Marisa is [[Mimi-chan]]'s owner, and thinks Mimi is cute. She knows that Mimi-chan is a weapon from [[Yumemi Okazaki]]'s world, but has no idea how to use her, and thus rides on Mimi. If she knew anything about how a intercontinental ballistic missile works, she probably wouldn't be doing so.<br />
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;[[Satori Komeiji]] and [[Koishi Komeiji]]<br />
After the events of ''[[Subterranean Animism]]'' in her scenarios with Nitori Kawashiro and Patchouli Knowledge, Marisa impressed Koishi enough with her strength that she's allowed to come and play at the [[Palace of Earth Spirits]] at any time. She may say she's a friend of Satori to get everyone down there to leave her alone, because all the underground [[youkai]] hate Satori. Although Marisa and Satori tend to put each other at unease at times, Marisa looks forward to being able to go underground whenever she wants to.<br />
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;[[Tsuchinoko]]<br />
Marisa took in Tsuchinoko as a pet in ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'' chapter 10. She thinks he's too cute to exterminate, and doesn't see why a human couldn't keep [[youkai]] as pets.<br />
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;[[Byakuren Hijiri]]<br />
Byakuren is a [[magician]], much like Marisa, although is much more experienced and has become a youkai while Marisa has yet to do so. Despite an initial disagreement and misunderstanding over the status of youkai and humans in the Marisa A ending of ''[[Undefined Fantastic Object]]'', Byakuren liked Marisa's direct personality, and in thanks for Marisa's help in breaking the seal, instructed [[Minamitsu Murasa]] to take Marisa to and from [[Makai]] whenever Marisa wanted. She also told Marisa that, as a magician, she could come see Byakuren if she ever had any trouble. It is unknown if the [[Palanquin Ship]]'s conversion into a temple affected the arrangement.<br />
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==Spell Cards==<br />
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==Additional Information==<br />
*Marisa is one of the most frequent characters to appear in the ''[[Touhou Project]]'' series, only second to [[Reimu Hakurei|Reimu]] after the release of ''[[Fairy Wars]]''.<br />
*Marisa has seven theme songs (excluding remixes), making her the character with the most theme songs.<br />
*Including spin-off games and ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]'', Marisa has appeared as an EX [[boss]] two times more than any other EX boss.<br />
*Marisa has appeared on the covers of ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]]'', and ''[[Lotus Land Story]]''.<br />
*According to [[Rinnosuke Morichika]], Marisa was inspired to use star-themed magic after a meteor shower viewing party around 2001 to 2002. Marisa's strategy guide in ''Story of Eastern Wonderland''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s omake says her third attack uses star magic, although that is just one attack. However, by the time ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]]'' takes place, many of her attacks use stars. Her apparent mentor Mima also had an astronomy theme in her attacks. Due to the PC-98/Windows canon split, there may be inconsistencies like this between them, although attempts could be made to fit them together (like saying that she trained under Mima after seeing the shooting stars).<br />
*According to [[Hieda no Akyuu]], she believes that Marisa may become a youkai magician like [[Alice Margatroid]] due to the high amount of magic she possesses.<ref name="gumon_117-120" /> In ''Imperishable Night'', she did express interest in immortality and eternal youth. In ''[[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]]'', [[Komachi Onozuka]] states that she is "ten years too early to say that you want to die." Since the game chronologically took place on 2005, this may therefore state that an occurrence with Marisa will take place in 2015.<br />
*Marisa may be somewhat of a math genius; in ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'' she utters the line "I could recite all the digits in pi before I got there." However, considering that pi has a literally infinite number of digits which never end or repeat in any pattern (really, it's endless), it's likely just an expression to say "at this rate I'll never get there."<br />
*Marisa holds the distinction of being one of the very few characters in any Touhou game who is known to have a living family.<br />
*In ''[[Imperishable Night]]'', Marisa survives looking at the full [[moon]], which should drive normal [[human]]s insane. When Alice asks if she is all right, she says that it's all right since she is insane to begin with. She might well be joking, since [[Reimu Hakurei|Reimu]] and [[Sakuya Izayoi|Sakuya]] maintain their sanity looking at the full moon too. It could be that humans who are strong-willed enough can overcome that influence.<br />
*In both ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'' and ''[[Subterranean Animism]]'', Marisa lacks her signature bomb move, Master Spark. She regains her Master Spark as a bomb in the following game ''[[Undefined Fantastic Object]]''.<br />
*Marisa often refers to herself as "just an ordinary witch". This is often her character title in the games (i.e. ''[[Imperishable Night]]''). Deneb the witch of the Ogre Battle games refers to herself in a similar, yet opposite manner: "I am a witch, but not just an ordinary witch!" She appears to make a reference to this in ''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s third [[stage]], when questioning whether or not Alice is an ordinary human.<br />
*Marisa has showed up saying "shoot and I'll move!!" in ''Shuusou Gyoku'' and ''Imperishable Night''. This may be a reference to the Italian 1958 film ''[[wikipedia:Move and I'll Shoot|Move and I'll Shoot]]'', to which Marisa first says this instead in the latter game.<br />
*One of her alternate palettes in ''[[Touhou Hisoutensoku]]'' resembles [[Ellen]] from ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]]''.<br />
*One of her alternate palettes in ''[[Hopeless Masquerade]]'' resembles her PC-98 outfit.<br />
*Excluding the fighting spin-offs, ''[[Double Spoiler]]'', and ''[[Fairy Wars]]'', Marisa's face has appeared on the icons for all of the [[Windows]] games so far. This includes ''[[Shoot the Bullet]]'', in which she doesn't technically appear.<br />
*Marisa was first seen using a wand in ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]]'', and ''[[Lotus Land Story]]''. She is not seen with a wand again until ''Undefined Fantastic Object'', which is so far the only [[Windows]] game where she is seen with one.<br />
*Marisa seems knowledgeable about species not native to Japan such as the [[wikipedia:Beaver|beaver]] in Chapter 4 of ''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]'' and the [[wikipedia:Rafflesia|rafflesia]] in Chapter 14 of ''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]''.<br />
*When introducing herself or asked who she is, Marisa often blatantly lies that she is the [[shrine maiden]] Reimu Hakurei.<br />
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==Fandom==<br />
Despite her self-indulgent personality and lack of concern for others (or more likely because of these things), Marisa happens to be one of the most popular characters within fanbase, winning the Touhou popularity contests of 2004 and 2005. She appear to be an icon for the ''[[Touhou Project]]'' and appear in many fangames, mostly as a playable character or a [[boss]], and in other fan-made anime and artwork.<br />
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;Relationshipping<br />
:''(see also: [[Relationshipping]])''<br />
Marisa has a tremendous amount of fan pairings and may sometimes seduce them, mostly with other popular characters like [[Reimu Hakurei]], [[Alice Margatroid]], [[Nitori Kawashiro]], [[Flandre Scarlet]], [[Patchouli Knowledge]], and [[Rinnosuke Morichika]]. Sometimes, she is the center of a group or the cause for fights, but it has caused some dislike for Marisa in the fanbase. Due to canon, there's a tendency for her to be treated as an intrusion in fandom.<br />
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At the time when the video ''[[IOSYS promotional videos#Marisa Stole the Precious Thing|Marisa Stole the Precious Thing]]'' became popular as a Marisa and Alice pairing meme, many related videos were made, and among them were severe memes that tended toward perverted actions. However, due to adverse reactions and the passage of time, this has somewhat decreased in popularity.<br />
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;Antagonist<br />
Marisa is often depicted as the antagonist of many fanworks, where she may have no felling for many character. She's also depicted to serious thief in many fanworks due to her burglary in canon, nicking anything ranging from the [[Scarlet Devil Mansion]] library, [[Alice Margatroid|Alice]]'s dolls and the [[Hakurei Shrine]]'s offertory box. Without waiting or turning back, she would use a wide ''Master Spark'' to blow apart the door, saying "I'll borrow till death ze!" while taking things away right from in front of the person, threatening violence when detected. However the victim is often not bothered about this cause.<br />
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;Jojo's association<br />
Because of Marisa's affinity with stars, fans sometimes parody her by crossing over with Jotaro Kujo of ''Jojo's Bizarre Adventure'', although to a much lesser extent than that of [[Sakuya Izayoi|Sakuya]] or [[Youmu Konpaku|Youmu]]. This seems to be a result of Jotaro's stand being called "Star Platinum", along with [[ZUN]]'s rather heavy amount of references to that series already. Marisa, in some works, even quotes Jotaro's catchphrase "Yare yare da ze".<br />
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;The "ze" description<br />
Due to her popular use of {{nihongo|"ze"|ぜ}} in her speech style, many fans tend to frequently or always add ''ze'' at the end of her dialogue (which is very unnatural). Putting ''ze'' in any speech is regardless even if it breaks the grammar (e.g. {{nihongo|"what is this, ze!?"|なんなんだぜ!?|nannanda'''ze'''}}. She'll also use "ze" to mean "yes", and it can be stylisticly written with a star "{{lang|ja|ぜ☆}}", a tilde (~) for enphasis or capitalised Latin letters to make "ZE". Some fans take this as she's intentionally "acting"; paradoxically seeing a "girlish" expression underneath it. Because most girls don't speak in this manner normally, it has become a notable unofficial characteristic for her.<br />
*Similarly, many fans in the English community put "ze" or "da ze" in the end of her line too, even if it's grammatically incorrect and doesn't make any sense. <br />
*Although she speaks in a boyish tone, she's never seen to use {{nihongo||[[wiktionary:俺|俺]]|ore|lit. "I"}} used by males. In regard to this, some fans who aren't careful with canon details make Marisa to use ''ore'' in their fanworks and end up getting criticized.<br />
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;Lux Crownguard reference<br />
In the Western multiplayer game ''[[wikipedia:League of Legends|League of Legends]]'', there is a character named Lux Crownguard who has a number of possible references to Marisa, such as having an ultimate spell called "Final Spark". In the lore of the game, Lux is also known to have copied and used the spell "Dark Binding" from Morgana, another character in the game. She also has a skin that resembles a cross between [[Mima]] and Marisa. In one of her voice over lines she states "Light mage? I'm just an ordinary mage", which may also be a reference. Additionally, her designer – Shurelia – is known to be a Touhou fan.<br />
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;Miscellaneous<br />
*'''Handsomeness''': Since she has a manly speaking style, she is typically fitted into the male role by Japanese fans, and is sometimes depicted as handsome in a male form. One extreme example of Marisa being masculine would be the muscular [http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=cho_marisa Cho Marisa] ({{lang|ja|超魔理沙}}).<br />
*'''Super Marisa''': Because of her love of mushrooms and the similarity in names, she has been compared to [[wikipedia:Mario|Mario]] from the ''[[wikipedia:Super Mario (series)|Super Mario]]'' series.<br />
*'''Black-white''': As Reimu is often referred to as red-white or "the red-white", fans frequently call Marisa "black-white" or "white-black" in parallel.<br />
*'''Jessica Ushiromiya's cosplay''': In the visual novel ''[[Wikipedia:Umineko no Naku Koro Ni|Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]]'', Jessica Ushiromiya performs in a concert dressed as Marisa. In episode 6 of the anime, her friends are also shown, dressed as [[Sakuya Izayoi]], [[Aya Shameimaru]] and [[Alice Margatroid]].<br />
**Additionally, in the fighting game spinoff, ''[[Wikipedia:Ōgon Musōkyoku|Ougon Musou Kyoku]]'', Jessica's "Meta Super" has her shoot a beam similar to the Master Spark while wearing her Marisa costume.<br />
*'''TOUHOU HIJACK LOL''': Marisa is the character pictured in the original "[http://next-era.net/kenny/Touhou_Hijack.jpg Touhou Hijack]" image, a 4chan meme involving disrupting discussion in a thread by announcing a "hijack" with this image and then posting large amounts of Touhou fan-art.<br />
*'''ufufu...''': Marisa's laugh {{nihongo|"Ufu, ufu, ufufufufufufufu..."|うふ、うふ、うふふふふふふふ}} from ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]'' is a well-known laugh that Marisa has been portrayed to say all the time. This is usually used on her appearance with red hair from the [[PC-98]] game ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]''.<br />
*'''Jealous of Reimu''': In more serious fanworks, Marisa is often depicted as being secretly jealous of Reimu, frustrated that the [[Shrine Maiden]] wastes her full potential by not training and still manages to be stronger than Marisa herself, who needed to train heavily to have any power at all.<br />
*'''Possible speaking style origin''': Since [[Chiyuri Kitashirakawa]] was one possible source of Marisa's speaking style (as mentioned earlier), there is a theory that Marisa fully picked it up from Chiyuri.<br />
*'''Informal English Dialogue''': Japanese dialogue associate to Marisa, that may be written formally, tend to be a bit slangy when translated into English. Take examples such as using the contraction "[[wiktionary:ain't|ain't]]", the gerund spelt "[[wiktionary:-in'|-in']]" rather than "[[wiktionary:-in'|-ing]]" and other colloquial speeches like ''gonna'' and ''wanna'', where other characters will use formal speech. This is probably to try and reflect her general personality.<br />
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==Official Profiles==<br />
{{hidden begin|title = [[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]] - 夢時空.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th03Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame]][[File:Th03MarisaAlt.png|200px|Alternate outfit]]<br />
| text = ★ 魔法と紅夢からなる存在 ・・・ 霧雨 魔理沙<br />
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魅魔を「魅魔様」と慕う、天下無敵の魔法使い。(なにが無敵かはさておき)こちらは普通の人間である。ただ、ちょっとばかし強力な魔法が使えるごく普通の少女である。魔法使いなので、基本的にかなり頭が良い。が、世の中をひねた見方をしたり、「人間どもめが!!」ってコバルト爆弾を爆発させたりは、しません。<br />
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今回は、夢幻遺跡からもれてくる魔力にひかれている。<br />
| translation = '''A Being made of Magic and Red Dream - Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
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The unstoppable magician that longs for [[Mima]] and calls her "Mima-sama" (Which part of her is unstoppable, don't ask.)<br />
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She is quite an ordinary human girl, who can just control some devastating magic.<br />
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As is the nature of a magician, she is very intelligent, but does NOT act cynically nor sets off a Cobalt Bomb while shouting "Fuck you, [[Human]]!!"<br />
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This time, she is interested in the magic power flowing out of the Fantastic Ruins.<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Lotus Land Story]] - 幻想郷.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th04marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = ★ 魔法と紅夢からなる存在 ・・・ 霧雨 魔理沙<br />
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魔法使いだが普通の少女である。多少自信過剰ぎみっぽいが、その自信に合うだけの力もそれなりに持っている。<br />
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非常に頭が良く、強い力に執着するけど、まだまだ子供。普段なにやってるかは不明(笑)<br />
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靈夢よりみためが子供っぽいが(靈夢も子供っぽいが)、歳は同じ位。<br />
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二人とも、ちょっとどこかがずれている様な・・・<br />
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| translation = '''A Being made of Magic and Red Dream - Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
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She is an ordinary girl, even though she is a magician. Her personality is somewhat self-confident, but she has enough power to support her confidence too.<br />
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She is very intelligent, and is looking for power, but is still a child. What she does in her daily life is unknown.<br />
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She looks even younger than [[Reimu Hakurei|Reimu]], but their ages are very close.<br />
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I think they both are a bit off from average...<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Mystic Square]] - 怪綺談.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th05marisa1.png|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = 霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめまりさ) ・・ 魔法使いさん<br />
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魔法使いだが普通の少女である。多少自信過剰ぎみっぽいが、その自信に合うだけの力もそれなりに持っている。<br />
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非常に頭が良く、強い力に執着するけど、まだまだ子供。普段なにやってるかは不明(笑)。実は努力家。<br />
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靈夢とは異なった行動原理をもっている様である。<br />
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| translation = '''Marisa Kirisame - A Magician'''<br />
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She is an ordinary girl, even though she is a magician. Her personality is somewhat self-confident, but has enough power to support her confidence too.<br />
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She is very intelligent, and is looking for power, but is still a child. What she does in her daily life is unknown. In fact, she is a hard worker.<br />
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Apparently she has different standards of behavior from [[Reimu Hakurei|Reimu]].<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Shuusou Gyoku]] - 創曲幻想.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Sh01Marisa.png|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = ・紅夢の魔法使い 霧雨 魔理沙(キリサメ マリサ)<br />
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<br />
東方に住み着く魔法少女。力に執着し、力を誇示する自信家で、いつも闘う相手を探しては、難癖を付けて遊ぶ女の子。しかし実は努力家でその力は隠れて修行したものである。修行を全然しないくせに才能だけで強い霊夢に妬みを持つこともあり、いつもいじめたりする。その実、魔理沙は霊夢がいないとつまんなくて死んでしまう位、仲がよい。<br />
| translation = '''Magician of Red Dreams Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
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A magical girl living in the east. She is a girl who is attached to power, confident enough to like showing off her power, and is always looking for someone to fight with and someone to mock.<br />
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However, the truth is she is a hard worker and her power is the result of her secret training.<br />
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Because of this, she often gets jealous of Reimu who never trains but still exceeds Marisa with her talent alone, and always tries to get in Reimu's way.<br />
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Surprisingly, Marisa is very attached to Reimu at the same time, so much that she would die of boredom without her.<br />
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{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th06Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = ○奇妙な魔法使い 霧雨 魔理沙(キリサメマリサ)<br />
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魔法使いの宿命として、人々の生活から離れて暮らしている少女。<br /><br />
基本的に、頭は切れるが、それを自分の生活に生かしていない。<br /><br />
人間が忘れ去ろうとしている存在なので、自分から人間に干渉しようとはしない。好きなことをやっていれば満足なのである。<br /><br />
中でも、霊夢が大好物(?)なので、ちょくちょく遊びに行っている。<br />
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武器は魔法。人生全てが遊びなのである。<br />
| translation = '''The Strange Magician, Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
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Abiding by the fate of a [[magician]], Marisa isolates herself from other people. Although she possesses sharp wisdom, she normally doesn't use it to her benefit. As a being that humanity has left behind, she doesn't get involved with them. She's just satisfied being able to do whatever she wants. Among all, [[Reimu Hakurei|Reimu]] is the girl she loves (?), so she frequently visits the red [[shrine maiden]] to play.<br />
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Her weapon is magic. She leads a self-indulgent life full of playing.<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]] - おまけ.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th06Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = ○奇妙な魔法使い<br />
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霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ・まりさ)<br />
<br />
能力:魔法を操る程度の能力<br />
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こちらも主人公です。この二人は東方シリーズの主人公です。<br />
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魔理沙は、性格がひねくれてますが、ほんとの所も性格悪いです。<br /><br />
人間のはずですが人間から遠いところに存在しています。本当に人間なのか疑わしいところですが、実は人間です。<br />
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今回はエプロンのようなもの着けて、魔法使いだかなんだか分からなくなっていますね。<br />
| translation = '''The Strange Magician'''<br />
<br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
This girl is also one of the protagonists. These two (Marisa and [[Reimu Hakurei|Reimu]]) are the heroines of the [[Touhou]] series.<br />
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Marisa has a very uncooperative personality, and she really has a pretty bad personality. Although she's [[human]], she remains distant from other humans. It's questionable as to whether she really is human, but she is.<br />
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This time, she's wearing something resembling an apron, so it's hard to tell if she's a magician or what.<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Perfect Cherry Blossom]] - Manual|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th07Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame PCB]]<br />
| text = ○普通の魔法使い 霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめまりさ)<br />
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普通の少女。寒いと(服を着込む為)若干能力が低下する。<br />
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魔法の力を世に役立たない方向で使用する事を生甲斐とする。環境にも易しい。<br />
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最近の一番の大魔法は、自宅の地下に温泉脈を召喚し床暖房の代わりにした事。<br />
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実は努力家であり、また蒐集家でもある。<br />
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霧雨邸には、どこからくすねて来たのか貴重なグリモワール(魔導書)や、マジックアイテムが所狭しと並んでいる。が、使おうとはしない。<br />
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武器は魔法。さしあたって今の目標は、丹の生成。<br />
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両武器とも、威力面では申し分ない。<br><br />
唯一の高速キャラ。<br />
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「マジックナパーム」は動きの激しい敵<br><br />
にはあまり効果的ではない。<br />
<br />
恋符の「イリュージョンレーザー」は<br><br />
残像にも攻撃判定があり、途切れる<br><br />
ことが無い為割と使い勝手がよい。<br />
<br />
なお、「マスタースパーク」は安定した<br><br />
最大ダメージが与えられるボムで<br><br />
強い。<br />
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| translation = '''Ordinary Magician, Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
An ordinary girl. The cold weather (or rather, the extra layers of clothing) weakens her abilities somewhat.<br />
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Her motivation in life is developing uses for magic that are not beneficial to society. Also eco-friendly, too.<br />
<br />
One of her recent great magic spells summoned a hot spring vein underneath her house to use as a floor-heating device.<br />
<br />
She is actually a hard worker, as well as an avid collector.<br />
<br />
There are many precious grimoires and other magic items she has collected from all sorts of places all around her house. However, she doesn't use them.<br />
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Magic is her weapon. For the time being, her aim is to create the elixir of immortality.<br />
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:Both of her [[spell card]] types are certainly not lacking in damage. She is the only speed-type character.<br />
:"Magic Napalm" is not very effective against moving targets.<br />
:Love Sign's "Illusion Laser" continues to hit enemies with its afterimage, so it is easy to continuously damage the enemy, making it quite useful.<br />
:Also, "Master Spark" is a powerful bomb that can deal the highest damage with good stability.<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Perfect Cherry Blossom]] - キャラ設定.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th07Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame PCB]]<br />
| text = ○普通の黒魔術師<br />
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霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ)<br />
<br />
主に魔法を使う程度の能力を持つ。<br />
<br />
幻想郷に住む、ちょっと普通な魔法使い。蒐集癖を持つ。<br /><br />
年々、蒐集癖が酷くなっていく気がする。<br />
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滅多に人を招き入れる事の無い霧雨邸は、幻想郷の森(通称 魔法の森)の中にある。こぢんまりとした建物である。<br /><br />
建物の中は、とてつもなく雑然としていて、地震でもあればアイテムの雪崩に押しつぶされそうである。<br />
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マジックアイテムは一箇所に集めると、それぞれが干渉して性質を弱めたり強めたり、また、別の性質を持つ事がある。この家には魔理沙も知らない力を持ったアイテムが眠っているかもしれない。<br />
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ちなみに、冬にこもって製作していた丹は、ちょっと大きすぎて飲み込めなかったようである。要改良。<br />
| translation = '''An Ordinary Black Magician'''<br />
<br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Mainly she possesses the ability to use magic.<br />
<br />
A bit of an ordinary [[magician]] living in [[Gensokyo]]. She has a mania for collecting things.<br />
<br />
It looks like her mania for collecting things is getting more serious after each year.<br />
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Her house, which she rarely invites anyone into by the way, is located in the forests of [[Gensokyo]] (a.k.a. [[Forest of Magic]]). It is a bit on the smallish side. The interior is extremely disordered, and would cause an avalanche of collected items if an earthquake hit.<br />
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When magic items are gathered in one place they tend to interfere with each other, causing their powers to amplify, weaken, or in some cases even develop completely different powers. Due to this fact, this house may hide items that even Marisa herself never imagined possible.<br />
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On another topic, the elixir of immortality she had been developing during the winter ended up being too large for consumption. More improvement is required.<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Immaterial and Missing Power]] - 上海アリス通信.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:th075marisa01.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = ○普通の魔法使い<br />
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霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめまりさ)<br />
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種族:人間<br /><br />
住処:魔法の森にある霧雨邸<br /><br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br />
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普通の魔法使いさん。人が余り寄りつかない魔法の森にある家に籠もって、日々魔法の研究を続けている。<br />
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性格は、負けず嫌いで意地の悪い所もあるが、根は真っ直ぐ。何処に行っても迷惑がられるが、実際に迷惑な行動も多い。<br />
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森に籠もる理由の一つは、人が寄りつかないからである。研究中に邪魔が入って欲しくないし、人に会いたいときは自分から出掛ければいい。掛ける専用の携帯電話みたいな物である。でも、余所では色々と邪魔をする。何処に言ってもだ。<br />
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スピードとパワーはあるが、体術は余り得意ではない。移動は速くてもいかんせん技が重い。パワーは魔法を纏う事で必要以上にカバーしている。<br />
| translation = '''Ordinary Magician'''<br />
<br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: [[Human]]<br />
<br />
Location: The Kirisame household in the [[Forest of Magic]]<br />
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Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
An ordinary [[magician]]. She usually cloisters herself in her house located at the [[Forest of Magic]], where there are almost no visitors, and researches magic.<br />
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Her personality is unyielding and obstinate, but deep down she has a straightforward personality. She is treated like an annoyance wherever she goes, but in fact she often causes the annoyance to begin with.<br />
<br />
One of the reasons she stays in the forest is because no one bothers to go there. She doesn't want to be disturbed while she's doing research, and when she wants to meet others she can always go there herself. She's like a send-only cell phone. However, she causes a disturbance at other places, wherever she goes.<br />
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She has good speed and power, but poor melee technique. While her movement is fast, her attacks are slow. She covers for her lack of physical strength with magic, but the amount of enhancement is actually overkill.<br />
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| text = ○普通の魔法使い 霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめまりさ)<br />
<br />
魔法使いさん。<br />
<br />
魔法の森に住む人間。魔法を使う程度の能力を持つ。<br />
<br />
散らかった部屋を掃除するため、整理整頓に役立つ魔法を研究しようと家中のアイテムや本をひっくり返す毎日。言うまでも無く成果は上がらない。<br />
<br />
彼女は努力家であり、また蒐集家でもある。<br />
<br />
負けず嫌いであることがバレバレの負けず嫌いも嫌い、という困った負けず嫌いである。<br />
<br />
<br />
武器は魔法。暗いところは魔法で明るくする。<br />
<br />
<br />
備考<br />
<br />
今回はアリスと組む。<br />
<br />
低速移動は単独使用時のみの性能<br><br />
である。<br />
<br />
ミサイルは爆発に威力があり、<br><br />
まとまった使い魔を倒す時は一番楽<br><br />
である。<br />
<br />
大抵の敵は瞬殺可能。<br />
<br />
細かい事気にするな。という人に<br><br />
お奨め。<br />
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| translation = '''An Ordinary Magician, Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
A magician.<br />
<br />
A [[human]] living in the [[Forest of Magic]]. She can use magic.<br />
<br />
She spends her days rummaging through the items and books in her house, trying to develop magic that would be useful for cleaning her disheveled room. Needless to say, she has not had any success.<br />
<br />
She is a hard worker, as well as a collector.<br />
<br />
Hates to come in second, though dislikes those who clearly hate to come in second.<br />
<br />
Her weapon is magic. When in the dark, she lights up the surroundings with magic.<br />
<br />
:''Notes''<br />
:She teams with [[Alice Margatroid|Alice]] in this title.<br />
:Focused speed only applies when she's used as a solo character.<br />
:Her missile's explosion deals a good amount of damage, so it's useful for shooting swarms of enemy familiars down.<br />
:It will kill most enemies instantly.<br />
:Recommended for players who don't care for subtlety.<br />
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| image = [[File:MarisaIN.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame IN]]<br />
| text = ○普通の黒魔術師<br />
<br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ)<br />
<br />
Marisa Kirisame<br />
<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br />
<br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br />
<br />
<br />
幻想郷にすむ、ちょっと普通な魔法使い。蒐集癖を持つ。<br />
<br />
人間が余り訪れる事の無い魔法の森に住み、魔法の研究をしながら自由気ままに暮らしている。<br />
<br />
<br />
魔法使いというとインドア(引きこもり)なイメージが強いが、彼女は自分から出かけることが多い。魔理沙は研究に没頭している時は人が居ない方が良いのだが、そうじゃない時は賑やかなのが大好きだからである。森は人間を引き寄せない為、都合がいいのだ。決して、研究途中のものを見せたくないから隠れている訳ではない(魔理沙談)<br />
<br />
| translation = '''An Ordinary Black Magician'''<br />
<br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: [[Human]]<br />
<br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
She is an ordinary [[magician]] living in [[Gensokyo]]. She also has a mania for collecting things.<br />
<br />
No one has any business in the [[Forest of Magic]], so she lives there in comfortable solitude while studying to improve her magical ability.<br />
You might imagine witches as being indoor-type people, but Marisa is a rather active outdoor-type person. She prefers a lively atmosphere over silence, but still doesn't like to be disturbed when she's studying. The [[Forest of Magic]] is the perfect place for her because almost no one bothers to visit her there. Marisa would also like to point out that, "Concealing my half-finished works is NOT the reason I'm living in there."<br />
}}<br />
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| text = ○4面ボス 普通の黒魔術師<br />
<br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ)<br />
<br />
Marisa Kirisame<br />
<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br />
<br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br />
<br />
<br />
普通の魔法使いさん。<br />
<br />
<br />
子の刻を過ぎたあたりから森が騒ぎ始めていた。ちょっと不吉な予感を感じていたが、暫らくしてその予感は的中する。子の刻を過ぎてから、通常ならとっくに夜が明けてなければいけない時間が経ったが、夜は永遠に続くかのように見えた。こりゃ面白そうだ、と慌てて出発したが……、犯人を見つけたときちょっと焦ってしまった。<br />
<br />
| translation = '''An Ordinary Black Magician'''<br />
<br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: [[Human]]<br />
<br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
An ordinary [[magician]].<br />
<br />
A bit past midnight, she felt a disturbance ripple through the forest. She had a feeling that something bad was about to happen, and she was right. Many hours later, it was still as dark as midnight, long past the time for dawn, as though the night was everlasting. She left home to investigate this interesting night... and was very surprised when she met the people responsible for the unnaturally long night.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th09Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame PoFV]]<br />
| text = ○普通の魔法使い 霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめまりさ)<br />
<br />
魔法使いさん。<br />
<br />
魔法の森に住む人間。魔法を使う程度の能力を持つ。<br />
<br />
幻想郷中を花で包んだ今回の異変も、魔法の森にはその効果が及ばなかった。<br />
<br />
森にはそんな気の利いた植物など似合わないのである。<br />
<br />
ただ、彼女は森の外で花を楽しんでいるのであまり関係はなかった。<br />
| translation = '''Ordinary Magician Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
A magician.<br />
<br />
A human living in the [[Forest of Magic]]. She has the ability to use magic.<br />
<br />
This disaster, which covered whole [[Gensokyo]] with flowers, didn't affect the forest.<br />
<br />
The forest doesn't need a pretty plant like that, after all.<br />
<br />
That had little effect on her, however, as she enjoys these flowers outside of the forest.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th09Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = ○普通の魔法使い<br />
<br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ)<br />
<br />
Kirisame Marisa<br />
<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br />
<br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
幻想郷にすむ、ちょっと普通な魔法使い。蒐集癖を持つ。<br />
<br />
人間が余り訪れる事の無い魔法の森に住み、魔法の研究をしながら自由気ままに暮らしている。<br />
<br />
<br />
全ての行動は自分の為であり、異変を解決させるのも解決したいからするだけである。<br />
<br />
今回は幻想郷の何処に行ってもまんべんなく異変が及んでいたため片っ端から自分の足で回ってみることにした。<br />
| translation = '''Ordinary Magician'''<br />
<br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: [[Human]]<br />
<br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
A somewhat ordinary magician living in [[Gensokyo]]. She also has a mania for collecting things.<br />
<br />
She lives in the [[Forest of Magic]] where humans rarely visit, and leads a carefree life while researching magic.<br />
<br />
Every action she takes is for herself, and she solves incidents just because she wants to do so.<br/><br />
This time, as disaster has covered all of [[Gensokyo]] evenly, she decided to sweep across the place.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th10Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame MoF]]<br />
| text =<br />
○普通の魔法使い<br/><br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ)<br/><br />
Kirisame Marisa<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br/><br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br/><br />
<br />
幻想郷に住む、普通な魔法使い。蒐集癖を持つ。<br />
<br />
ひねくれて見えるが、内実は誰よりも真っ直ぐ。いつも黒い服を着ているが、それは魔法使いは黒だと思い込んでいるのと、汚れが目立たないと言う理由から来ている。真っ直ぐである。<br />
<br />
今回は霊夢が動いたから勝手に動いたが、異変らしい異変は起きていない様に見える為、目的地に着いたら何を言えばいいのか考えながら山に挑んでいる。<br />
| translation =<br />
'''An Ordinary Magician - Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
An ordinary magician living in Gensokyo. She also has a mania for collecting things.<br />
<br />
She seems a bit weird, but in reality she's the most straightforward. She always wears black clothing because she thinks that's what magic-users should do and because it hides dirt very well. Very straightforward.<br />
<br />
This time she's just following Reimu's lead, but since this doesn't look like a typical incident, she's thinking about what she should do when she gets to the mountain.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th105Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = ○''普通の魔法使い''<br/><br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめまりさ)<br />
<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br />
<br />
職業:魔法使い<br />
<br />
住家:魔法の森にある霧雨邸<br />
<br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br />
<br />
性格:愛想が悪く意地悪だが、<br><br />
根は真っ直ぐ。<br />
<br />
また、蒐集家(コレクター)<br><br />
である。<br />
<br />
<br />
| translation =<br />
''An Ordinary Magician''<br/><br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
<br />
Race: Human<br />
<br />
Occupation: Magician<br />
<br />
Place of residence: The Kirisame residence in the Forest of Magic<br />
<br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
Personality: Inconsiderate and lacking manners, but generally straightforward.<br />
<br />
In addition, she's a collector.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th11Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame SA]]<br />
| text =<br />
○普通の魔法使い<br/><br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ)<br/><br />
Kirisame Marisa<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br/><br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br /><br />
<br />
幻想郷に住む、普通な魔法使い。蒐集癖を持つ。<br /><br />
<br />
ひねくれて見えるが、内実は誰よりも真っ直ぐ。いつも黒い服を着て<br /><br />
いるが、それは魔法使いは黒だと思い込んでいるのと、汚れが目立た<br /><br />
ないと言う理由から来ている。真っ直ぐである。<br /><br />
<br />
暗くて狭いところは結構好き。<br /><br />
<br />
魔法使いの為、魔法を使う妖怪と相性が良い。<br /><br />
ただ、余り好かれてはいない。<br />
| translation =<br />
'''An Ordinary Magician'''<br/><br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
An ordinary magician living in Gensokyo. She also has a mania for collecting things.<br />
<br />
She seems a bit weird, but in reality she's the most straightforward. She always wears black clothing because she thinks that's what magic-users should do and because it hides dirt very well. Very straightforward.<br />
<br />
She rather likes dark, enclosed spaces.<br />
<br />
Since she is a magician, she has good affinity with youkai who use magic. Nevertheless, she is not very fond of them.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th12Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame UFO]]<br />
| text =<br />
○普通の魔法使い<br /><br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ)<br /><br />
Kirisame Marisa<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br />
<br />
幻想郷に住む、普通な魔法使い。蒐集癖を持つ。<br />
<br />
ひねくれて見えるが、内実は誰よりも真っ直ぐ。いつも黒い服を着ているが、それは魔法使いは黒だと思い込んでいるのと、汚れが目立たないと言う理由から来ている。真っ直ぐである。<br />
<br />
実際の所、宝船に宝があると思っていない。世の中そんなに甘くない。宝が無くてもおもしろそうだから乗り込むのである。好奇心旺盛。<br />
| translation =<br />
'''An Ordinary Magician'''<br/><br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
An ordinary magician living in Gensokyo. She also has a mania for collecting things.<br />
<br />
She seems a bit weird, but in reality she's the most straightforward. She always wears black clothing because she thinks that's what magic users should do and because it hides dirt very well. Very straightforward.<br />
<br />
In actuality, she doesn't believe that there are treasures in the ship. That would be too easy. She boards the ship because it seems fun to her, even if there is no treasure. She's just brimming with curiosity.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:WaHHMarisa.jpg|Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
| text = 霧雨魔理沙<br/>大胆小心な人間<br />
森に住む普通の魔法使い。よく神<br/>社に来て霊夢の思いつきにつきあ<br/>ったり、つきあわせたりしている。<br/>霊夢が天才型なら魔理沙は努力<br/>型だが、その様子を他者に見せる<br/>ことは無い。<br />
| translation =Kirisame Marisa<br />
The bold, yet cautious human<br />
<br />
A normal magician that lives in the forest.<br />
She visits the shrine often, mainly to play along with [[Reimu Hakurei|Reimu]]'s inspirations, or make Reimu play along with her's.<br />
If you were to call Reimu a brain, Marisa would be the hard worker, but she never shows her hard work to others.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th13Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame TD]]<br />
| text =<br />
普通の魔法使い <br/><br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ) <br/><br />
Kirisame Marisa<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br />
<br />
幻想郷に住む、普通な魔法使い。蒐集癖を持つ。<br />
<br />
ひねくれて見えるが、内実は誰よりも真っ直ぐ。いつも黒い服を着ているが、それは魔法使いは黒だと思い込んでいるのと、汚れが目立たないと言う理由から来ている。真っ直ぐである。<br />
<br />
神霊が人間の欲の塊である事に気付いた彼女。彼女の行動は純粋な好奇心。好奇心も欲である。<br />
| translation =<br />
'''An Ordinary Magician'''<br/><br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
An ordinary magician living in Gensokyo. She also has a mania for collecting things.<br />
<br />
She seems a bit rebellious, but in reality she's the most straightforward. She always wears black clothing because she thinks that's what magic users should do and because it hides dirt very well. Very straightforward.<br />
<br />
She noticed that the divine spirits were actually masses of human desire. <br />
Her motivation is from pure curiosity.<br />
Curiosity is also a form of desire.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th135Marisa.png|200px|Marisa Kirisame HM]]<br />
| text =人間代表の魔法使い 霧雨魔理沙<br />
<br />
里はお祭り騒ぎだ。<br/><br />
しかし、このお祭りは何処か廃退的で刹那的な 匂いがする。<br/><br />
心を掴むのが仕事の宗教家達が喜ぶ匂いである。<br/><br />
彼女は先回りし、宗教家達が甘い汁を吸う前に<br/><br />
自らの味方を増やす闘いに出た。<br />
<br />
特技 三度目の粉飾魔<br />
<br />
強射撃や必殺技を使うたびに星が一つずつ点灯していき、 全ての星が点灯すると一度だけ強射撃や必殺技が強化版に変化します。<br/><br />
威力の増加、範囲の拡大、無敵時間の追加など、<br/><br />
攻撃ごとに異なる性質が強化されます。<br/><br />
総じて、全ての星が点灯している魔理沙は危険です。<br />
<br />
ラストワード サングレイザー<br />
<br />
乗っている箒で周辺をなぎ払って相手を打ち上げ、<br/><br />
無防備なところに最大推力で突進打撃を見舞う大技です。<br/><br />
なぎ払いは攻撃範囲が広く、<br/><br />
攻撃中の魔理沙は無敵という頼れる技です。<br />
| translation ='''Representative Magician of the Humans, Kirisame Marisa'''<br />
<br />
The village is reverberating with sounds of the festival.<br/><br />
However, this festival somehow smells empty-hearted and momentary.<br/><br />
The religionists whose job it is to ensare the hearts of others smell like joy.<br/><br />
The girl anticipates it, and before the religionists taste the sweet soup,<br/><br />
she appeared in combat to increase her own allies.<br />
<br />
'''Special skill: Three-Tiered Embellishment Magic'''<br />
<br />
Each star lights up one by one when using strong ranged attacks or special attacks, and when all the starts are lit up, the next strong ranged attack or special attack will be powered up.<br/><br />
Depending on the attack, a different aspect of it will be strengthened,<br/><br />
such as its power increasing, its range enlarging, or granting a period of invincibility.<br/><br />
Generally speaking, Marisa is dangerous when all the stars are lit up.<br />
<br />
'''Last Word: Sun Grazer'''<br />
<br />
Riding on her broom, Marisa mows down the vicinity and crushes her opponent,<br/><br />
and when undefended, performs her strongest skill, a full-force assault.<br/><br />
The attack range of her sweeping through is wide,<br/><br />
and you can rely on Marisa to be invincible while attacking.<br />
}}<br />
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| image = [[File:Th14Marisa.png|200px|Marisa DDC]]<br />
| text =○普通の魔法使い<br /><br />
霧雨 魔理沙(きりさめ まりさ)<br /><br />
Kirisame Marisa<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:魔法を使う程度の能力<br />
<br />
幻想郷に住む、普通な魔法使い。蒐集癖を持つ。<br />
<br />
ミニ八卦炉が強烈な火を放つ。<br /><br />
現在、勝手に火を噴くようになり家の中には置いていない。<br /><br />
魔法の森は湿気っているので森林火災の危険は無さそうだが……<br />
| translation ='''An Ordinary Magician'''<br/><br />
'''Marisa Kirisame'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Ability to use magic<br />
<br />
An ordinary magician living in Gensokyo. She also has a mania for collecting things.<br />
<br />
Her [[Mini-Hakkero]] shoots intense flames. Recently, it's started to emit fire on its own, and she has to keep it outside of her house. The [[Forest of Magic]] is quite humid, so there shouldn't be much danger of starting a forest fire, but...<br />
}}<br />
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==Official Sources==<br />
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*1997/08/15 '''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'''<br />
*1997/12/29 '''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]''' - 夢時空.txt<br />
*1998/08/14 '''[[Lotus Land Story]]''' - 幻想郷.txt<br />
*1998/12/30 '''[[Mystic Square]]''' - 怪綺談.txt<br />
*2002/08/11 '''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]''' - Marisa's Scenario & Extra Stage; おまけ.txt; Manual<br />
*2003/08/17 '''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]''' - Marisa's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定.txt; Manual<br />
*2004/08/15 '''[[Imperishable Night]]''' - Magic Team's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定.txt; Manual<br />
*2004/12/30 '''[[Immaterial and Missing Power]]''' - 上海アリス通信.txt<br />
*2005/08/11 '''[[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red]]''' - [[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red/Marisa|Article and Interview: Marisa]]<br />
*2005/08/14 '''[[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]]''' - Playable character; キャラ設定.txt; Manual<br />
*2005/08/25 ~ 2006/03/25 '''[[Eastern and Little Nature Deity]]'''<br />
*2005/10/01 '''[[Seasonal Dream Vision/A Beautiful Flower Blooming Violet Every Sixty Years]]'''<br />
*2006/05/26 ~ 2009/01/26 '''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]''' <br />
*2006/12/27 '''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]''' - [[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense/Marisa Kirisame|Ordinary Magician: Marisa Kirisame]]<br />
*2007/06/08 ~ 2009/04/09 '''[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]''' <br />
*2007/08/17 '''[[Mountain of Faith]]''' - Marisa's Scenario & Extra Stage; Manual<br />
*2008/05/25 '''[[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]]'''; chara.html<br />
*2008/08/16 '''[[Subterranean Animism]]''' - Marisa & Alice/Patchouli/Nitori's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定.txt<br />
*2009/05/26 ~ present '''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]''' <br />
*2009/07/28 '''[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]''' - [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Marisa Kirisame's Spell Cards|Marisa Kirisame's spell cards]]<br />
*2009/08/15 '''[[Undefined Fantastic Object]]''' - Marisa's Scenario & Extra Stage<br />
*2010/07/24 ~ present '''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]'''<br />
*2010/08/14 '''[[Fairy Wars]]''' - Extra Stage dialogue<br />
*2011/08/13 '''[[Ten Desires]]''' - Marisa's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定とエキストラストーリー.txt<br />
*2012/10/26 ~ present '''[[Forbidden Scrollery]]'''<br />
*2013/05/26 - '''[[Hopeless Masquerade]]''' - Playable character<br />
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[[Category:Returning PC-98 Characters]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Mini-Hakkero&diff=328378Mini-Hakkero2014-09-20T16:38:13Z<p>Karob: </p>
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<div>[[File:SaBNDTMarisa.png|thumb|Marisa about to fire a Master Spark using the mini-Hakkero in [[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]].]]<br />
The {{nihongo|'''mini-Hakkero'''|ミニ八卦炉||"mini-Eight Trigram Furnace" or "mini-Elemental Furnace"}} is a magical furnace currently possessed by [[Marisa Kirisame]]. The mini-Hakkero was given to her by [[Rinnosuke Morichika]] in ''[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]''.<br />
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The mini-Hakkero takes the shape of an octagonal block, made of wood, with the eight trigrams printed in a circle on its front. The internal components were originally made of iron or steel, but replaced by the mythical hi'irokane metal after it became rusted. Despite its small size (it fits easily in the hand), it is a potent source of heat and magical energy; Rinnosuke describes it as capable of reducing a mountain to ashes. Marisa relies on it heavily for research and combat, most notably to power her Master Spark.<br />
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In addition to its normal functions, one of the furnace's corners releases a cool breeze, and the hi'irokane model gleans negative ions from the air (a function copied from a pseudoscientific device from the [[Outside World]], which nevertheless works inside Gensokyo). Rinnosuke also believes that the mini-Hakkero may function as an amulet for protection and good fortune.<br />
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During the events of ''[[Double Dealing Character]]'' the mini-Hakkero was one of the weapons "corrupted" by the power of the [[Miracle Mallet]].<br />
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==Origin==<br />
Rinnosuke stated that it is his own invention, which merges the magic in [[Gensokyo]] and the [[Outside World]]'s technology (which he refers to as an outside form of magic that needs no spiritual power). He has also repaired and upgraded it at least once. <ref>[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]: [[Curiosities of Lotus Asia/Chapter 06|Chapter 6]] - "''Her request was for Rinnosuke to repair her most useful tool – the Mini-Hakkero.''"</ref><br />
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In ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'', Marisa has mini-Hakkeros as options.<br />
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The original Hakkero appeared in the legend Journey to the West, where it was a furnace in which the monkey king Son Goku/Sun Wukong was imprisoned as punishment after devouring the peach of immortality.<br />
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==See Also==<br />
*[[Yin-Yang Orb]]<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[ru:Мини-хаккеро]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=User:Drunk_Aya/Donations-2014&diff=328046User:Drunk Aya/Donations-20142014-09-11T17:31:54Z<p>Karob: /* General Ledger */</p>
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<div>Hello. I'm just your friendly neighborhood Touhou fan. I hope that I can make positive contributions to this wonderful wiki.<br />
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My favorite [[Touhou Project]] character is [[Youmu Konpaku]].<br />
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I look forward to working with you.</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Ofuda&diff=327711Ofuda2014-09-05T04:57:45Z<p>Karob: /* Examples of characters using ofuda */</p>
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[[File:PMiSS reimu.jpg|thumb|Reimu holding two ofuda in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]''.]]<br />
{{nihongo|[[wikipedia:Ofuda|'''Ofuda''']]|御札 or お札|o-fuda|a charm}} are inscribed strips of paper or other material used within the [[Shinto]] religion as amulets or talismans for purification, exorcism, or protection. It is common for ofuda in [[wikipedia:Manga|manga]] or [[wikipedia:Anime|anime]] to have other abilities, such as timed explosion ("paper bombs"). In the ''[[Touhou Project]]'', ofuda are often seen decorating [[characters]] and being used in characters' [[danmaku]] and [[spell card]]s. <br />
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==Examples of characters using ofuda==<br />
*[[Reimu Hakurei]]'s primary bullet attacks are usually in the form of ofuda. They have anti-youkai properties, and in [[print works]] she also uses them to seal youkai,<ref>''[[Forbidden Scrollery]]'' - Chapter 12</ref> or keep them away from certain places.<ref>''[[Forbidden Scrollery]]'' - Chapter 18</ref> However, it also looks like that [[Minor_Characters#Unnamed_Fox_student|youkai lacking any evil aura]] won't be affected by their spiritual power.<ref>''[[Forbidden Scrollery]]'' - Chapter 19</ref><br />
*[[Seiga Kaku]] controls [[Yoshika Miyako]] as a [[Jiang Shi]] by using an ofuda attached to her forehead. It has, supposedly, a to-do list written on it.<br />
*Other characters, especially those related to religions such as [[Sanae Kochiya]], [[Toyosatomimi no Miko]] or [[Byakuren Hijiri]], and gods like [[Hina Kagiyama]] and [[Kanako Yasaka]] use them as well.<br />
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==Examples of characters wearing ofuda for various reasons==<br />
*[[Rumia]]'s ribbon is actually an ofuda. Its purpose is unknown, but she can't touch it even though there have been times in which she wanted to take it off.<br />
*[[Fujiwara no Mokou]]'s hair is shown tied with ofuda and several ofuda are attached to her pants. May be wards against fire burns.<br />
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File:IN reimu ofuda.jpg|[[Reimu Hakurei]] firing ofuda in ''[[Imperishable Night]]''.<br />
File:Th08SC058.jpg|Reimu using ofuda in one of her spellcards: [[Imperishable_Night/Spell_Cards/Stage_4A#Spell_Card_058|Dream Land "Super Duplex Barrier"]].<br />
File:Mokou.png|[[Fujiwara no Mokou]] sporting several ofuda on her hair and pants.<br />
File:FS_Reimu_ofuda.png|Reimu sealing some youkai with her amulets in ''[[Forbidden Scrollery]]''<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Category:Objects]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Fujiwara_no_Mokou&diff=327602Fujiwara no Mokou2014-09-04T03:02:01Z<p>Karob: /* Design */</p>
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| nameJp = {{ruby-ja|藤原|ふじわら}} {{ruby-ja| |の}} {{ruby-ja|妹紅|もこう}}<br />
| nameEn = Fujiwara no Mokou<br />
| nameIPA = ɸɯd͡ʑiwaɽa no mokoː [[Media:Pronunciation_FujiwaranoMokou.ogg|(♫)]]<br />
| nameAlt = Huziwara no Mokou, Mokou Fuziwara<br />
| image = [[Image:Mokou.png|x325px|Fujiwara no Mokou]]<br />
| caption = Fujiwara no Mokou in [[Imperishable Night]]<br />
| chartitle = {{H:title|Figure of the Person of Hourai|蓬莱の人の形}}<br />
| species = [[Human]]<br />
| abilities = Eternal youth and immortality, resistance to and manipulation of fire<br />
| age = Ageless; existed for over 1300 yrs.<br />
| occupation = Rescues lost people, [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost|Bamboo Forest]] guide, claims to run a [[Wikipedia:Yakitori|yakitori]] stand<br />
| location = Somewhere in the [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost]]<br />
| MusicThemes = *{{H:title|{{lang|ja|月まで届け、不死の煙}}|Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke}} ([[Imperishable Night]])<br />
| appOfficialgames = *[[Imperishable Night]] (Cover, Extra Stage Boss)<br />
*[[Shoot the Bullet]] (Extra Stage 5 and 6 Boss)<br />
*[[Hopeless Masquerade]] (Background Character)<br />
*[[Impossible Spell Card]] (3rd Day Boss)<br />
| appPrintworks = *[[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red]]<br />
**[[Extra of the Wind]] (Cameo)<br />
*[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]<br />
*[[Silent Sinner in Blue]] (Chapter 9 cameo)<br />
*[[Cage in Lunatic Runagate]] (Secondary Character)<br />
*[[Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth]] (Secondary Character)<br />
*[[Oriental Sacred Place]] (Chapter 12 cameo)<br />
*[[Forbidden Scrollery]] (Chapter 10 cameo)<br />
*[[Wild and Horned Hermit]] (Chapter 20 cameo)<br />
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{{nihongo|'''Fujiwara no Mokou'''|藤原 妹紅}} was formerly an ordinary [[human]], but she became an [[immortal]] being after drinking the [[Hourai Elixir]] about 1300 years ago. Now she is never able to die, though she still feels the pain of injuries as normal. She's considered to be very powerful, given her long life, the power she earned through her life, and her immortal status since she can keep fighting until she can no longer stand the pain.<br />
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==General Information==<br />
Mokou first appeared as the Extra [[stage]] [[boss]] of ''[[Imperishable Night]]'' and ''[[Shoot the Bullet]]''. She also appeared as a background cameo in ''[[Hopeless Masquerade]]'' and as a day 3 boss in ''[[Impossible Spell Card]]''.<br />
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===Personality===<br />
Perhaps due to her solitary lifestyle, she's got a characteristic of having a difficult social life to not talk much to anyone and being a quiet person, and doesn't generally enjoy the company of others. She gives help to lost humans she may find within the [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost]], giving herself a job similar to that of a bamboo forest guide, but generally after guiding them to the [[Human Village]] she quickly departs without saying a word. Nevertheless, to those whom she's acquainted with, she says things bluntly (in a good way) with a sociable personality. She was easily roused during ''Imperishable Night'''s extra stage, where she goes on a rant about how annoying Kaguya is. Not much else is known about her as she doesn't really talk much to anyone.<br />
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She's commonly thought of as having an androgynous style due to using phrases like "~na no kashira?" and "~na no yo?" which are considerably women's language, all the while using a belligerent tone and wearing pants, which is commonly thought of as unusual among Touhou characters. Within her in-game sprite, she also keeps her hands in her pockets.<br />
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She undertakes the duty of escorting people in the [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost]]. Although this may allow her a wider opportunity to socialise with other people, she still remains very reticent about herself. For example, when asked about her past, she doesn't answer with anything other than "I'm an ordinary health mania who runs a [[Wikipedia:Yakitori|yakitori]] stand" (it is unclear whether she truly does run a yakitori stand). However, she seems to happily listen to others' talking. Thus, even if someone doesn't lose one's way, it would be possible for her to be enlivened by a conversation.<br />
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She presently seems to be very content with her life contrary to being commonly thought of having a pessimistic lifestyle. With an unageing, undying body, she and [[Kaguya Houraisan]] kill each other every day, and the text of ''[[Imperishable Night]]'' even emphasises this with the line "and she is alive to enjoy it, how magnificent!"<br />
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===Abilities===<br />
;Neither ageing nor dying<br />
Mokou's inability to die allows her body to receive an indefinite amount of punishment. No matter whether she's beheaded, incinerated or has taken any other form of strike, she'll always revive without exception. Mokou will recover within a few day's time if she takes a non-fatal blow. Due to the nature of the [[Hourai Elixir]] she drank over 1300 years ago, she's also incapable of contracting any form of disease or illness. This includes the natural process of ageing.<ref name="INMTEx">[[Imperishable Night]]: [[Imperishable Night/Translation/Magic Team's Extra|Magic Team's Extra]]</ref> It is said she can completely recover even if a single hair remained<ref name="PMiSSMokou">[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]: [[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense/Fujiwara no Mokou|Mokou]]</ref>, although it seems redundant because those who taste the elixir will recover regardless. Another effect of this immortality is that her wounds heal very quickly, and even severe wounds regenerate within days.<br />
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Mokou's immortal nature however, doesn't prevent her from being susceptible to fatigue. Though she may be incapable of dying, she still feels pain when injured just as a normal [[human]] does. It's said that since she doesn't die, feeling the sting of death when she reaches the brink of oblivion brings her a great deal of pain and fatigue when she immediately revives. For this reason, she can be defeated in [[spell card]] matches with [[danmaku]] even though she's invincible.<br />
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;Manipulation of fire<br />
[[File:GoMIllus-Mokou.jpg|thumb|Illustration of Mokou in ''[[Grimoire of Marisa]]'']]<br />
Though never clearly described, Mokou appears to have some sort of control over fire. A lot of her spell cards also include phoenix imagery, though this is most likely an aesthetic choice by Mokou (phoenixes being symbolic of her immortality) rather than having any real meaning. The fact it took the combined efforts of her, Kaguya, and several rabbits to put out a forest fire in her ''[[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red]]'' article implies that while she's capable of starting and increasing fire, she might not necessarily be able to ''extinguish'' it.<br />
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;All sorts of sorcery<br />
According to ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', in her long life it seems she's mastered various kinds of sorcery to the point in which she can handle [[youkai]] lightly. She uses all kinds of [[spell card]]s in addition to her ability of manipulation of flames, which may also be a kind of sorcery she has mastered. However, it's never been stated exactly what kinds of sorcery she has mastered.<br />
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===Occupation===<br />
Mokou frequently escorts anyone wanting to go to [[Eientei]] through the [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost]]. She also claims to run a [[Wikipedia:Yakitori|yakitori]] stand. In addition, she regularly fights with Kaguya, and has for many years. As a powerful human (or a being who was once human), one of her main jobs is also youkai extermination.<br />
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Upon receiving escort from her, it is impossible to get lost in the bamboo forest. Also, there's no life-threatening danger in the forest since [[youkai]] would not attack. Because of that, it's a myth in the Human Village that if it's necessary to go to Eientei, that Mokou should immediately be contacted.<br />
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==Backstory==<br />
[[File:CiLR_Mokou.png|thumb|250px|A past & present comparison of Mokou in ''CiLR'']]<br />
Mokou was born as a daughter to the family during the Asuka and Nara periods. It's been that it was around 700CE (i.e., currently about 1300 years old). It seems that she was an unwanted child because she wasn't allowed to go out in public.<br />
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Around 1300 years ago, [[Kaguya Houraisan]] embarrassed her father – and her entire family – by presenting him with impossible requests when he asked for her hand in marriage (as had happened with many other young men). Mokou grew to resent the moon princess, and searched for a long time for a way to spite her, but Kaguya ran away by returning to the [[moon]] before Mokou could take revenge.<br />
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She finally found a way, by making an attempt to steal the [[Hourai Elixir]] for herself that Kaguya left for the [[Wikipedia:Emperor of Japan|Emperor of Japan]] of that time because it was something very important to Kaguya. She followed a group of soldiers led by a man named [[Iwakasa]] in secret, who were going up what is now [[Wikipedia:Mount Fuji|Mount Fuji]]. However, it was difficult for the young girl to climb the mountain alone without proper equipment, so she quickly ran out of energy. This was then Iwakasa realized that she was present, so he helped her and they went up and reached the summit together as one group. Once there, it was then that Mokou discovered that the group of soldiers planned to fling the jar into the fires of the volcano to destroy it, on orders from the current Emperor of Japan. As they were about to throw it in, the goddess [[Konohana-Sakuyahime]], who calms the eruptions of Mount Fuji, appeared and forbids to throw the jar into the volcano because Mount Fuji's volcanic activities would restart should they do so. She explained to them that it was in fact the [[Hourai Elixir]], the elixir of immortality. She gave the command to go to Yatsugatake where her older sister [[Iwanagahime]] handles immortality and unchangingness dwelt.<br />
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The soldiers tried to light the jar on fire, but Sakuyahime's powers prevented it. What happened after is unclear; Mokou believes that Iwakasa's men were killed by Konohana during their night watch because they tried to take the elixir for themselves as Iwakasa and Mokou slept. As the two got further down, Mokou was finally possessed by the desire for immortality, so she murdered Iwakasa amd stole it form him, consuming it and thus became immortal.<br />
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After achieving immortality, she had an undying body, but [[human]]s who don't grow older aren't able to live as an ordinary humans, so until she drifted to [[Gensokyo]], she moved from place to place, never stopping to dwell in one place. She spent three hundred years in isolation, away from the hateful eyes of people. For three hundred years after that, she would destroy anything that crossed her path, but after that, she spent three hundred years in boredom as the [[youkai]] couldn't hold her interest any longer. It's assumed that during these six hundred years she appeared in [[Gensokyo]]. It's unknown exactly when Mokou came to [[Gensokyo]], but after nine hundred years total, she found out that Kaguya did not actually return to the moon but continued a life of escape, and that Kaguya also became one with an undying body.<br />
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Mokou was extatique in discovering someone who was in the same mess she was in. Since then Mokou and Kaguya have mutually killed each other day in, day out for about [[Cage in Lunatic Runagate/Fourth Chapter|300 years]]. After the incident of ''[[Imperishable Night]]'', perhaps due to the influence of [[Eientei]] accepting patients who come for medical examinations, she also started creating her own connexion with the humans of the [[Human Village]] by taking the position of an escort and guiding people through the bamboo forest who want to go to Eientei. She remains very reticent, however.<br />
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On [[Maribel Hearn]]'s trip to the [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost]] of several hundred years ago she met someone who appeared to be an outsider of a girl who seems to be Mokou.<ref>[[Changeability of Strange Dream]]'s 9th section</ref> She rescued her from a [[mouse]] or [[rabbit]] [[youkai]], whi then ran away and hid after "a girl entirely on fire" chased the youkai away without a word exchanged between the two. In ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'', [[Hieda no Akyuu]] speculates that Mokou is a descendant of a hidden group of "youkai-killing ninja". People in general are doubtful of the clan's existence. Akyu claims that Mokou feigns ignorance when asked about it.<br />
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==Background Infomation==<br />
[[File:PMiSS mokou.jpg|thumb|Mokou's depiction in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]'']]<br />
===Origin===<br />
Considering Mokou's surname and her back story as a daughter of an aristocrat charmed by the Kaguya-hime of legend, Mokou's father is strongly implied to be {{nihongo|Kuramochi no Miko|車持皇子}}, who was given the quest for the Jeweled Branch of Hourai by Kaguya. However, many people also say that her father was {{nihongo|[[wikipedia:Fujiwara no Fuhito|Fujiwara no Fuhito]]|藤原不比等}}, the most plausible candidate based on his surname and the factual founder of the powerful [[Wikipedia:Fujiwara clan|Fujiwara clan]] that existed between the 9th century and 13th century, but this person is only a candidate for whom Kuramochi no Miko could have been modeled after, and it must be warned that it's not a clear matter of the original ''[[Wikipedia:The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter|The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter]]''. Incidentally, Fujiwara no Fuhito had nine children, four sons and five daughters, and among the five daughters, it is unclear who the mother of the fourth and fifth daughters are, and for the fifth daughter, her name is even unknown.<br />
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If Kuramochi no Miko were Mokou's father, "Miko" ("prince") would mean a blood relationship with the [[Wikipedia:Emperor of Japan|Emperor of Japan]], but as this has been used to refer to the sons of the emperor, it has been said that she's an offspring of a direct descendant of the emperor of that time (As a certain historical fact, all of the miko (princes) other than Kuramochi no Miko were enthroned as emperors, and thus Mokou's family would have a collateral relation, but in the time of the marriage proposal to Kaguya, Mokou's grandfather would be the emperor, implying that she would have had a direct relation at that time).<br />
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===Name===<br />
Her full name is {{nihongo|''Fujiwara no Mokou''|藤原 妹紅}}. Her last name {{nihongo||藤原|Fujiwara|lit. "Wisteria field"}} is an actual and a common surname used in Japan - it should be noted that while this is one of the evidence which proves the political influence of the Fujiwara Clan, there are some Fujiwaras that aren't related to the Fujiwara Clan.<br />
<br />
The characters for {{nihongo||妹紅|Mokou}} literally mean "Scarlet (younger) Sister". According to [[ZUN]], however, ''Mokou'' can also mean "Paint me red" and her name has no connection to [[Flandre Scarlet]]. In the right context, ''Kou'' can also be translated as "female phoenix bird", which is fitting, while ''Mo'' can be translated as "mourning". Her name would mean something similar to "Mourning female Phoenix bird", a name somewhat fitting for her exiled life and events of her past. One of the kanjis is also shared in the Japanese name for the {{nihongo|[[Wikipedia:Sanguisorba officinalis|great burnet]]|吾亦'''紅'''|Waremokou}}, a [[plant]] that's known to cool the blood, stop bleeding, clear heat, and heal wounds. Specifically, the root is used to stop bloody dysentery, nosebleeds, and is applied topically to treat burns and insect bites.<br />
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Another noteworthy fact is that Mokou's last name is not actually a {{nihongo|"family name"|苗字|myouji}}, but a {{nihongo|"clan's name"|氏/本姓|uji/honsei}} given by the Emperor. In ancient Japan times, it was common for aristocrats with ''uji'' to have the [[wikipedia:Hiragana|hiragana]] character {{lang|ja|の}} (''no'') between their ''uji'' and first name. The ''no'' used here indicates the "belonging", thus the English equivalent of her name would be "Mokou of the Fujiwara (Clan)".<br />
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===Title===<br />
Mokou's character title {{nihongo||'''蓬莱'''の'''人'''の'''形'''|hourai no hito no katachi|"Figure of the Person of Hourai"}} is a Japanese style transcription of {{nihongo||蓬莱人形|hourai ningyou|"Hourai Doll"}}, a name of a spell card she uses. The word "hourai" used here is probably a reference to [[wikipedia:Mount Penglai|Mount Penglai]] (''Penglai'' is the Chinese reading of ''Hourai''): A legendary land in the Chinese mythology where hermits said to have lived.<br />
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The name Hourai Doll is also used in the Japanese main title of [[ZUN]]'s music CD ''[[Dolls in Pseudo Paradise]]'' and [[Alice Margatroid|Alice]]'s spell card {{nihongo|"Curse 'Hourai Doll'"|咒詛「蓬莱人形」}}. Considering ZUN's comment in [[Imperishable Night/Spell Cards/Extra#Spell Card 204|her card]], the connection between these and the story of ''[[Dolls in Pseudo Paradise]]'' is likely to be intentional. But the connection between these and Alice's card is probably irrelevant (at least directly), because Alice's Hourai Doll is probably, only to be connected with the ''Dolls in Pseudo Paradise'' itself.<br />
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[[Imperishable Night/Spell Cards/Extra#Spell Card 199|Spell card #199]] in ''Imperishable Night'' is "Forgiveness: Honest Man's Death", which could also be a reference to the story in ''Dolls in Pseudo Paradise'' (where several honest men die).<br />
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===Design===<br />
Mokou has red eyes and ankle-length pale blue (almost white) hair. She wears a light brown shirt that appears as if it's been discolored from fire, and dark red overalls that're randomly decorated with [[Ofuda|paper charms]]. Her hair's tied with these same red and white paper charms. The paper talismans on Mokou's pants and hair ribbons might be wards to protect her from being burned by fire. Her shirt, which lacks such talismans, appears to have been burnt repeatedly, while the ribbons and pants show no such wear.<br />
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As depicted in the [[Cage in Lunatic Runagate/Fourth Chapter|fourth chapter]] of ''Cage in Lunatic Runagate'', Mokou is shown as having had short, dark hair before she drank the Hourai Elixir, though whether her current hair colour was somehow caused by the Elixir is unknown.<br />
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Mokou is one of the few people in all of [[Gensokyo]] to wear pants. This, along with her somewhat forceful way of speaking, often leads to her being depicted as something of a tomboy (perhaps why her parents kept her out of public view). However, because conditions in Gensokyo still resemble those of feudal Japan, pants are hard to come by and must be made by a skilled tailor or imported from the [[Outside World]], and presumably are much more expensive than skirts. This may make pants a status symbol, and given Mokou's status as a daughter of the old Japanese aristocracy and her rugged lifestyle, it's natural for her to insist on wearing them.<br />
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==Mokou's Appearances==<br />
===Games===<br />
;''Imperishable Night''<br />
The heroines are all sent into the [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost]] for a "test of guts" by [[Kaguya Houraisan]], but Mokou knows that she did it to get at her. Once she realizes this, her anger is bridled, and they engage in combat.<br />
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===Spin-offs===<br />
;''Shoot the Bullet''<br />
In ''[[Shoot the Bullet]]'', [[Aya Shameimaru]] encountered Mokou on the Extra [[stage]] and took photos of her [[danmaku]].<br />
<br />
;''Hopeless Masquerade''<br />
[[File:Th135Mokou.png|frame|Mokou in ''HM'']]<br />
Mokou made a background cameo appearance in ''[[Hopeless Masquerade]]'' on the [[Human Village]] stage. She is seen sitting next to [[Keine Kamishirasawa]] with her legs crossed yarning.<br />
<br />
;''Impossible Spell Card''<br />
:{{Main|Impossible Spell Card#Story|l1=Impossible Spell Card: Story}}<br />
After apparently reading the newspaper by the [[tengu]] about a mischief-making [[amanojaku]], she becomes one of the many strong [[youkai]] and [[human]]s to try and stop [[Seija Kijin]]. She uses [[spell card]]s that are considered impossible to dodge.<br />
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===Literature===<br />
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;''Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red''<br />
:{{Main|Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red/Mokou|l1=Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red Article and Interview: Mokou}}<br />
When [[Aya Shameimaru]] happened to notice a mysterious fire in the [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost]] near [[Eientei]] she decided to investigate. Two girls, Fujiwara no Mokou and [[Kaguya Houraisan]], were already present fighting the fire to put it out. Shortly after Aya began asking what had started the fire, Mokou suggested it might have been a cigarette butt from kids while Kaguya suggested it was [[Wikipedia:Yakitori|yakitori]] (that is made from ''chicken''). In her interview, Mokou used Kaguya's yakitori rumor to frighten Aya to running with no further questions. Aya ended the article in wonderment over the true cause of the fire.<br />
<br />
During her interview with Mokou, Aya comes to the conclusion that it must have been Mokou who did it. However, Mokou first repeats that a cigarette butt caused it and then later insists that there never was a fire and threatens that Aya may just end up as yakitori if she keeps saying there was.<br />
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;''Cage in Lunatic Runagate'', chapter 4<br />
:{{Main|Cage in Lunatic Runagate/Fourth Chapter|l1=CiLR Chapter 4}}<br />
Mokou goes to [[Keine Kamishirasawa]] to ask her about the smoke rising from the [[Youkai Mountain]]. Keine gives her a lecture on the subject, which makes Mokou reminisce about her past and how she became immortal.<br />
<br />
She also worries about the moon rocket that [[Remilia Scarlet]] was building - that [[Kaguya Houraisan]] could possibly be returning to the [[Moon]], and the only other one like Mokou would be gone forever. After eavesdropping on a conversation between Kaguya and [[Eirin Yagokoro]] at [[Eientei]], she discovers that they never planned on going back to the Moon in the first place, and is somewhat relieved.<br />
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==Relationships==<br />
[[File:Kaguya-Mokou Inaba18 01.jpg|thumb|260px|A humorous chat between Mokou & Kaguya in ''[[IoM&IoE]]'']]<br />
===Kaguya Houraisan===<br />
Mokou has despised [[Kaguya Houraisan]] for reasons mentioned in her [[#Backstory|backstory]]. When she surprisingly found Kaguya in [[Gensokyo]] after so many years of exile, and so close to where she lived, she was ecstatic that Kaguya was in the same mess she was. The two spent about 300 years slaughtering each other on a daily basis; Mokou described those days as "the joys of killing each other over and over" in [[Cage in Lunatic Runagate/Fourth_Chapter|''Cage in Lunatic Runagate'' Chapter 4]]. Mokou's official profile also describes those days as "wonderful days", but she's grown to rather be annoyed at Kaguya's persistent attempts of trying to kill her, [[assassin]]s or otherwise.<ref name="INBTExtra">[[Imperishable Night]]: [[Imperishable Night/Translation/Boundary Team's Extra|Boundary Team's Extra]]</ref><ref name="INSTExtra">[[Imperishable_Night/Translation/Scarlet_Team's_Extra|Scarlet Team's Extra]]</ref><br />
When Mokou suspects Kaguya is returning to the moon in ''Cage in Lunatic Runagate'', she is initially worried that the only other immortal person who was in the same situation she was would no longer be on Earth<ref name="CiLRCh4">[[Cage in Lunatic Runagate]]: [[Cage in Lunatic Runagate/Fourth_Chapter|Chapter 4]]</ref>, although she does eventually come to terms with the possibility.<br />
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''[[Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth]]'' shows it can take the form of other competitions, from food fights to drinking to fishing, though this may be due to the lighthearted nature of the author that the "[[canon]]-ness" of the manga is debatable and cannot be taken straightforwardly.<br />
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===[[Keine Kamishirasawa]]===<br />
Mokou seems to have befriended Keine Kamishirasawa, describing her as the one of the few people who can understand her in [[Cage in Lunatic Runagate/Fourth_Chapter|the fourth chapter]] of ''Cage in Lunatic Runagate''. Keine's sense of duty to protect all humans is no exception to Mokou, as she proclaimed to Kaguya's assassins in ''[[Imperishable Night]]'''s extra stage that she won't allow them to lay a hand on Mokou. Keine also traveled together with Mokou to see a flower viewing at the [[Hakurei Shrine]] in the continuation of Chapter 0 of ''[[Eastern and Little Nature Deity]]'' at the end of chapter 3.<br />
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===Minor Relationships===<br />
;[[Reimu Hakurei]], [[Marisa Kirisame]], [[Sakuya Izayoi]], [[Yukari Yakumo]], [[Remilia Scarlet]], [[Alice Margatroid]], [[Yuyuko Saigyouji]], and [[Youmu Konpaku]]<br />
Some humans and youkai that were tricked by Kaguya into fighting Mokou during the extra stage of ''[[Imperishable Night]]''. Mokou doesn't have any particularly notable feelings towards most of them (besides being impressed with Alice's knowledge of the Hourai Elixir), but she was flabbergasted with the humans crazy enough to go to the bamboo forest the night of a full moon. ''Cage in Lunatic Runagate'' shows that Mokou thinks Sakuya, Reimu, and Marisa are airheads. Mokou was one of the (many) attendants at Remilia's rocket party in ''[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]''. When Alice fell into the three fairies' trap in the continuation of Chapter 0 of ''[[Eastern and Little Nature Deity]]'' at the end of chapter 3, Mokou and Keine both walked by without freeing her.<br />
<br />
;Other Residents of [[Eientei]]<br />
She has a good relationship with Eientei despite her feud with Kaguya, working with the rabbits to stop that forest fire, and is known to lead people to and from Eientei. In ''Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth'', she brings lost rabbits back to Eientei.<br />
<br />
;Iwakasa<br />
[[Iwakasa]] was murdered by Mokou in order for her to steal the [[Hourai Elixir]] and become immortal. She notes that one day, she wants to travel to the top of the [[Youkai Mountain]], presumably to see [[Iwanagahime]], the goddess of immortality, and to apologise to her for what she did to [[Iwakasa]]. (NB: The Youkai Mountain was once the mountain Yatsugatake, which is the mountain [[Konohana-Sakuyahime]] suggested to Mokou and Iwakasa to bring the elixir to instead.) [[Imperishable Night/Spell Cards/Extra#Spell Card 199|Spell card #199]] is likely to be referring to [[Iwakasa]], as she implied she felt regret over causing his death. In the [[Cage in Lunatic Runagate/Fourth Chapter|fourth chapter]] of ''Cage in Lunatic Runagate'', it's shown that her immortality was derived indirectly from Iwakasa as well, as he saved her life prior to her immortality.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery widths="200"><br />
File:Stg8enm3m.png|Mokou surrounded by a phoenix symbol, as seen in ''[[Imperishable Night]]''<br />
File:GoMSigil-Mokou.jpg|Mokou's sigil in ''[[Grimoire of Marisa]]''<br />
File:Th08cover.jpg|Mokou can be seen in the small moon in the bottom left of ''[[Imperishable Night]]'''s CD cover<br />
</gallery><br />
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==Spell Cards==<br />
{{hidden begin|title = Spell Cards|titlestyle = background:palegreen; text-align:center;}}<br />
{{#lsth:List_of Spell Cards/Touhou_Project_1|[[Fujiwara no Mokou]]}}<br />
{{hidden end}}<br />
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==Additional Information==<br />
*Mokou appears on the cover of ''[[Imperishable Night]]'', silhouetted against the moon beneath the silhouette of Kaguya.<br />
*Mokou can actually be observed dying and resurrecting after each spell card in ''[[Imperishable Night]]''.<br />
*Mokou would be 1340 years old, give or take 10, to be more precise. The roughly 15 year span that [[wikipedia:Fujiwara no Fuhito|Fujiwara no Fuhito]] had children in would be accurate enough to call Mokou to have been born in this timeframe.<br />
*Mokou and Kaguya were planned to be playable characters in ''[[Touhou Hisoutensoku]]'', but were scrapped due to a lack of time to balance their move sets; ZUN stated in an interview that they would have been overpowered. It's unclear whether this remark was from a gameplay perspective or a storytelling one, since ZUN had expressed a desire to focus on weaker characters like [[Cirno]].<br />
*Coincidentally, [[Soga no Tojiko]] is based on the rival [[wikipedia:Soga clan|Soga clan]] that the Fujiwara clan took down, known as the [[wikipedia:Isshi Incident|Isshi Incident]]. This is further implied by Tojiko's lightning powers, which is a joke on how Fujiwara was "cursed" by the Soga clan after [[wikipedia:Nakatomi no Kamatari|Nakatomi no Kamatari]], the founder of the Fujiwara clan, was mysteriously struck by lightning after the incident. Whether or not this rivalry is important remains to be seen.<br />
<br />
==Fandom==<br />
*Due to her power of resurrection and ability to control fire, Mokou is often depicted as having the same powers as the mythical phoenix (She even has spell cards called "Possessed By Phoenix" and "Immortal Flying Bird Phoenix"), even occasionally generating what appears to be a phoenix-shaped aura. Fans like to depict this as "wings of fire", but in canon, she only controls the flames of the phoenix in her spells. The phoenix is probably more of an aura depicting her immortality.<br />
*Fandom is divided as to whether or not Mokou actually ''is'' possessed by a phoenix; it would seem redundant, as she is already immortal.<br />
*Whenever Mokou is present within something or joins anything or in some other way shows up, sometimes one phrase that pops up is {{nihongo|"Mokotan has come in!"|もこたんインしたお!|Moko-tan in shitao!}}, a phrase that originated from a message board discussion.<br />
*Because she claims to run a [[Wikipedia:Yakitori|yakitori]] stand, she is occasionally shown in fan works to be at odds with bird youkai [[Mystia Lorelei]], or ironically, as a romantic interest. She has also used this occupation to scare [[Aya Shameimaru]] after insisting there was no fire in the bamboo forest in the [[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red/Mokou|interview]] with Mokou.<br />
*Fanworks occasionally depict Mokou smoking because of her mentioning cigarettes in ''[[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red]]''.<br />
*Fanworks frequently depict Mokou as a skilled martial artist, with an aggressive style specialising in [[wikipedia:front kick|front kick]]s enhanced by her powers over fire, sometimes against [[Hong Meiling]]. Sometimes she's seen fighting with her hands in her pockets. Similarities to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blaziken Blaziken] have been noted.<br />
*Some fans theorise that Mokou and Kaguya in Hopeless Masquerade think that the battles in the game are boring compared to their, which are way better and more violent, to the extend that all characters would have no chance of winning against them.<br />
<br />
==Official Profiles==<br />
{{hidden begin|title = [[Imperishable Night]] - キャラ設定.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue; text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Mokou.png|200px|Fujiwara no Mokou IN]]<br />
| text = ○エキストラボス 蓬莱の人の形<br /><br />
藤原 妹紅(ふじわらのもこう)<br /><br />
Huziwara no Mokou <br />
<br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:老いる事も死ぬ事も無い程度の能力<br />
<br />
蓬莱の薬を服用し、ずっと生き続けている人間。<br />
<br />
大昔、まだ不老不死ではなかった頃、彼女は貴族の父を持つ娘だった。<br /><br />
ただその存在は隠されており、余り望まれた子では無かったようであ<br /><br />
る。そんなある日、父はある身分の低い娘に求婚して、難題を吹っか<br /><br />
けられ恥をかかされたという。その娘が輝夜である。<br />
<br />
それ以来、幼い彼女はずっと輝夜を敵対視してきた。輝夜が月に帰る<br /><br />
というので、どうにか一矢を報いたいと思っていた。でも、近づく事<br /><br />
も出来ない。結局逃げられてしまったが、せめて輝夜が残したという<br /><br />
「薬の壺」を奪ってやろうと考えた。<br />
<br />
しかし壷を手に入れた人間は何故か、その壺を山に捨てようとしてい<br /><br />
たので、そこを狙い壺を奪う事に成功した。その壺に入っていた薬と<br /><br />
は、蓬莱の薬……。<br /><br />
この時以降、彼女の姿を見たものは居ない。<br />
<br />
成長しない人間は同じ場所では暮らせない。転々と住む場所を変えな<br /><br />
がら暮らしていた。しかし人間は一人では生きられないが、妹紅は死<br /><br />
ぬ事が無い。お腹はすくし、怪我をすれば痛いが死ぬ事は無い。結局、<br /><br />
人里離れた山奥で妖怪みたいにひっそりと暮らす様になっていった。<br />
<br />
それから長い年月が過ぎた。<br />
<br />
今では、輝夜と殺しあうのが日常である。最初この山奥で輝夜の姿を<br /><br />
見たときには本当に驚いたが、何てことも無い。この体にした蓬莱の<br /><br />
薬は輝夜が置いていったものだ。月に帰るとかいって、そもそも月な<br /><br />
んかに帰れるはずが無い。輝夜も住む場所を変えざるを得なかった人<br /><br />
間なだけだ。なんだか急に気が抜けた気がした、輝夜も同じ人間なん<br /><br />
だ。<br />
<br />
今でも輝夜は憎い。それに輝夜は私を消そうとしてくる。でも、死ぬ<br /><br />
事はない。なんて充実した毎日だろう。人里離れた山奥にあるこの地<br /><br />
は、本当の蓬莱の地に違いない。<br />
<br />
生きているってなんて素晴らしいんだろう。<br />
| translation ='''Extra Boss, Figure of the Person of Hourai'''<br />
<br />
'''Huziwara no Mokou'''<br />
<br />
Species: [[Human]]<br /><br />
Abilities: Neither aging nor dying<br />
<br />
A [[human]] who has lived forever since consuming the Hourai Elixir.<br />
<br />
Long ago, before she became immortal, she was the daughter of an aristocrat. She wasn't allowed to go out in public, so it seems that she wasn't a wanted child. One day, her father proposed to a commoner girl, but was humiliated because she responded by making an impossible request. That girl was [[Kaguya Houraisan | Kaguya]].<br />
<br />
Mokou has hated Kaguya since then, and wanted to take her revenge before Kaguya returned to the moon. She couldn't make it in time, however... She reconciled herself by attempting to steal the medicine that Kaguya left for the emperor of that time.<br />
<br />
Oddly, by the time Mokou found the medicine, people were about to throw it into a volcano. She managed to steal it before it was thrown in and consumed it - the Hourai Elixir... That was the last time she was seen in the human world.<br />
<br />
Humans who never age can't fit into the human world, so Mokou was forced to live as a wanderer... Humans usually can't survive alone, but she can't die. However, she still suffers from hunger if she doesn't eat and pain if she becomes injured.<br />
<br />
Eventually, she chose to live like a forgotten [[youkai]] in a desolate place...<br />
<br />
Many long years came to pass.<br />
<br />
Now, Mokou and [[Kaguya Houraisan|Kaguya]] kill each other on a daily basis. She was extremely surprised to discover Kaguya in [[Gensokyo]] and so close to where she lived. It's no wonder, though; Kaguya left the Hourai Elixir, one of the moon's most classified secrets, on Earth. She could never expect to return to the moon in peace. Kaguya also had to run. Mokou felt relief beyond what she had ever experienced - Kaguya was in the same mess she was!<br />
<br />
Mokou still detests Kaguya, and Kaguya still tries to kill her, but neither of them can die forever. These are wonderful days... This broken place is truly the land of Hourai!<br />
<br />
And she is alive to enjoy it, how magnificent!<br />
}}<br />
{{hidden end}}<br />
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<br />
==Official Sources==<br />
{{hidden begin|title = Official sources|titlestyle = background:pink; text-align:center;}}<br />
*2004/08/11 '''[[Imperishable Night]]''' - Extra Stage dialogue; キャラ設定.txt (official profile)<br />
*2005/08/11 '''[[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red]]''' - Article and Interview: Mokou<br />
*2005/12/30 '''[[Shoot the Bullet]]''' - [[Shoot the Bullet/Spell Cards/Level Ex|EX Stage Spell Card comments]]<br />
*2006/12/27 '''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]''' - [[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense/Fujiwara no Mokou|The Crimson Watchguard: Fujiwara no Mokou]]<br />
*2008/03/25 '''[[Cage in Lunatic Runagate]]''' - Chapter 4<br />
*2008/04/22 '''[[Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth]]''' - Chapter 11<br />
*2008/05/22 '''[[Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth]]''' - Chapter 12<br />
*2008/10/22 '''[[Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth]]''' - Chapter 17<br />
*2008/11/22 '''[[Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth]]''' - Chapter 18<br />
*2008/12/09 '''[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]''' - Chapter 9 (cameo)<br />
*2009/04/22 '''[[Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth]]''' - Chapter 23<br />
*2009/07/28 '''[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]''' - [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Fujiwara no Mokou's Spell Cards|The Grimoire of Marisa]]<br />
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[[Category:Characters in Imperishable Night]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Yoshika_Miyako&diff=327601Yoshika Miyako2014-09-04T03:01:10Z<p>Karob: /* Design */</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Character<br />
| nameJp = {{ruby-ja|宮古|みやこ}} {{ruby-ja|芳香|よしか}}<br />
| nameEn = Yoshika Miyako<br />
| nameIPA = mʲijako joɕʲi̥ka [[Media:PronunciationYoshikaMiyako.ogg|(♫)]]<br />
| image = [[File:Th13Yoshika.png|x325px|Yoshika Miyako]]<br />
| caption = Yoshika Miyako in [[Ten Desires]]<br />
| chartitle = {{H:title|Loyal Undead|忠実な死体}}<br />
| species = {{nihongo|[[Jiang Shi]]|キョンシー|Kyonshī}}<br />
| abilities = Eating anything<br />
| age = Dead/Immortal<br />
| occupation = Guard<br />
| location = [[Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum]]<br />
| MusicThemes = *{{H:title|{{lang|ja|リジッドパラダイス}}|Rigid Paradise}} ([[Ten Desires]])<br />
| appOfficialgames = *[[Ten Desires]] (Stage 3 Boss, Stage 4 Supporting Boss)<br />
*[[Hopeless Masquerade]] (Background Character)<br />
*[[Impossible Spell Card]] (4th Day Boss)<br />
| appPrintworks = *[[Wild and Horned Hermit]] (Chapter 9 cameo, 20 cameo)<br />
*[[Symposium of Post-mysticism]]<br />
*[[Forbidden Scrollery]] (Chapter 3 cameo)<br />
}}<br />
{{nihongo|'''Yoshika Miyako'''|宮古 芳香|Miyako Yoshika}} is a [[Jiang Shi]] who is of an ancient era of Japan who was revived by [[Seiga Kaku]] to be the guard of [[Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum]].<br />
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==General Information==<br />
Yoshika first appeared as the stage 3 [[boss]] of ''[[Ten Desires]]'' and as an assistant of Seiga on the stage 4 boss battle, and performed attacks with her along with the title "Loyal Undead." She appeared in the background of ''[[Hopeless Masquerade]]'' and was a 4th Day Boss in ''[[Impossible Spell Card]]''.<br />
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In order to not decompose like normal [[Jiang Shi]] do, she has an anti-decomposition spell placed on her. She has no sense or self, and does not know pain or fatigue, which allows her to bring out all possible physical strength and creates great difficulty to encounter. She usually attacks people for no particular reason, but is easy to run away from. However, she is set to have a particular amount of health, and even when defeated, she immediately recovers a few seconds later as shown Stage 4 of ''[[Ten Desires]]''.<br />
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===Personality===<br />
According to ''[[Symposium of Post-mysticism]]'', she doesn't have much of a personality as a jiang shi, but whenever she is not under Seiga's control she does seem to revert back to the personality she had when she was alive. She has been seen reciting poetry while staring into empty space. Her thinking patterns are like a forgotten age of computers. Even regarding conversations with the main character, she forgot that she had a mistress, and did not remember what she was protecting, and is therefore a considerably problematic way of thinking.<br />
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===Occupation===<br />
Prior to the events of ''[[Ten Desires]]'', Yoshika is Seiga's faithful servant who guards the [[Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum]]. Her current activities are unknown.<br />
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===Ability===<br />
;:Eating anything<br />
As literally stated. When she's hurn, she can suck in the surrounding [[divine spirit]]s and eat them to increases her HP back to full, thus furnishing her with an ability to "''recover her HP''". If this is ignored, then it wouldn't be possible to defeat her [[spell card]]s, as time would run out. This could be why [[Kogasa Tatara]] wasn't able to win against her during ''[[Ten Desires]]''.<br />
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Jiang shi seek out lifeblood and walk around aimlessly, and also has the characteristic of turning opponents into jiang shi upon bite. Yoshika also turns the living into jiang shi, and has a proactive attitude about increasing her companions. This behaviour may be due to a command, or it may be an instinctual behaviour of jiang shi.<br />
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===Species===<br />
Since she's a [[Jiang Shi]], her body is unusually stiff, and her joints cannot twist, and therefore she cannot walk straight. Seiga, in order to protect from injury, seems to recommend [[Wikipedia:Calisthenics|calisthenics]] to her.<br />
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==Character Design==<br />
[[File:ThGKSeiga.png|thumb|right|150px|Yoshika with [[Seiga Kaku]] in ''[[Symposium of Post-mysticism]]''.]]<br />
===Origin===<br />
[[ZUN]] stated in an interview that her original design was too similar to Lei-lei(Hsien-ko) from [[wikipedia:Darkstalkers|Darkstalkers]]. Considering it too cliché, he instead made Yoshika a zombie whose brain was rotting away and was thus stupid.<br />
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===Name===<br />
Her full name is {{nihongo||宮古 芳香|Yoshika Miyako}}. The {{nihongo||宮古|Miyako}} in her name means "ancient palace", while {{nihongo||芳香|Yoshika}} means "fragrance", "perfume" if read together. The {{nihongo||芳|Yoshi}} can also mean "fragrance", "beautiful", "virtuous" when standing alone, and {{nihongo||香|ka}} "incense", which might be referring to either Yoshika being a jiang shi, or her guarding a graveyard.<br />
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Her name comes from {{nihongo|Miyako no Yoshika|[[wikipedia:ja:都良香|都良香]]}}, a ninth century Japanese scholar and poet. Legends say that 100 years after he left office, he was spotted on a mountain as a [[hermit]], his face unchanged.<br />
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===Design===<br />
In ''[[Ten Desires]]'''s official art, Yoshika has pale skin, greyish blue hair and eyes. She wears a blue hat with a yellow star and an [[Ofuda|ofuda]] on the forehead, which apparently has a to-do list written on it by her master. She wears a red chinese-like shirt with a pink trim on the wide sleeves, and a black skirt with the same trim wrapped around it like a ribbon. She keeps her arms ahead, like a zombie.<br />
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==Story==<br />
===Games===<br />
;''Ten Desires''<br />
When the heroine reaches the graveyard adjacent to the [[Myouren Temple]], Yoshika meets her there. Having been revived to protect the Mausoleum from intruders, a fact which takes her a little while to remember, she does battle with the heroine and loses. Later, in stage 4, she is revived again and returns to team up with her master [[Seiga Kaku]], but the two were defeated.<br />
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===Spin-offs===<br />
;''Hopeless Masquerade''<br />
[[File:Th135Yoshika.png|frame|Yoshika in ''HM'']]<br />
Yoshika made a background cameo appearance in ''[[Hopeless Masquerade]]'' on the [[Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum]] stage. She is seen standing on the mausoleum watching the many fights.<br />
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;''Impossible Spell Card''<br />
Presumably from hearing or seeing a wanted sign about the mischief-making [[amanojaku]] [[Seija Kijin]], Yoshika appears to be one of the many [[youkai]] that tries to capture her. She uses [[spell card]]s that are considered impossible to dodge. Not only did she try to capture her independently, she was also controlled by her master on one spell card. <br />
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===Literature===<br />
[[File:ThGK Bunbunmaru2.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Yoshika with [[Rin Kaenbyou]] in ''[[Symposium of Post-mysticism]].'']]<br />
;''Symposium of Post-mysticism''<br />
:{{Main|Symposium of Post-mysticism/Bunbunmaru Newspaper 2|l1=Symposium of Post-mysticism: Speaking for the Mysterious Zombie}}<br />
Humans that visited the graveyard started getting worried, as Yoshika had reappeared there and was driving everyone away. They bring in [[Rin Kaenbyou]] to communicate with her, and through a translator, she claims she isn't particularly intent on harming anyone, but just feels she has to defend the graveyard no matter what.<br />
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==Relationships==<br />
===People in Senkai===<br />
Yoshika is a corpse reanimated by [[Seiga Kaku]] in order to protect the [[Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum]] during [[Toyosatomimi no Miko]]'s resurrection. Seiga is generally her master who treats her like a tool, but thinks she's a cute underling who's rotten, and even in battle, she can be seen diligently reviving Yoshika.<br />
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[[Toyosatomimi no Miko]] is a fellow ally of the [[Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum]] and the purpose of guarding it under Seiga Kaku's orders. [[Mononobe no Futo]] and [[Soga no Tojiko]] are also fellow allies. However, no actual relationship between these three are established.<br />
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===Minor Relationships===<br />
;People in the Myouren Temple<br />
Yoshika Miyako purpose for guarding the Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum was to prevent [[Byakuren Hijiri]] and the rest of her allies of [[Myouren Temple]] from interfering with Toyosatomimi no Miko's resurrection. Also, Yoshika's presence in the cemetery becomes an unknown threat for [[Kogasa Tatara]].<br />
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;[[Rin Kaenbyou]]<br />
Rin is brought in to the graveyard to communicate with her and find out her intentions during the events of an article in ''Symposium of Post-mysticism''.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:WaHHYoshika.png|Yoshika's appearance in [[Wild and Horned Hermit]]<br />
</gallery><br />
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==Spell Cards==<br />
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{{#lsth:List of Spell Cards/Touhou Project 2|[[Yoshika Miyako]]}}<br />
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==Additional Information==<br />
*She has a star on her hat that is similar to [[Hong Meiling]]'s, but without a symbol.<br />
*The relationship between Yoshika and Seiga probably is caused from the fact that the inspirations of both of them appears in [[Wikipedia:Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio|Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio]]. There is a story "dead body incident" ({{zh|s=尸变|t=屍變}}), the 3rd chapter of the 1st volume.<br />
*According to legends, [[wikipedia:ja:茨木童子|Ibaraki-douji]], model of [[Kasen Ibaraki]], was deeply impressed after reading Miyako no Yoshika's works. Moreover, Kasen is seen reciting one of his poems in the first chapter of ''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]''.<br />
*Yoshika is currently the only character in the whole series who can heal herself during a battle.<br />
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==Fandom==<br />
*She is also sometimes depicted with blue or bluish green skin.<br />
*For pairings (see [[Relationshipping]]), it is most commonly with [[Seiga Kaku]]. In a group, she is most commonly associated one of the five in the ''[[Ten Desires]]'' group. With Seiga allied with [[Toyosatomimi no Miko]], [[Mononobe no Futo]], and [[Soga no Tojiko]], she commonly takes the form of clinging to Seiga.<br />
*Some Western fans have noticed that Yoshika's hands moving as if she was driving an invisible car. Combined with her cap, this has led to memes of her as a cab driver.<br />
*Since her ability is "eating anything", she has sometimes been compared to [[Rumia]] and [[Yuyuko Saigyouji]], with the latter being an infamous omnivore in the fanbase, where she is at a higher status than Yuyuko who even tries to eat her in some fanart; this may also indirectly link to the fact that Yuyuko was only a stage 1 boss in ''Ten Desires''.<br />
*Because Yoshika is a guard, she has sometimes been compared to [[Hong Meiling]] because she is also a guard. She's also a Chinese girl, and both of them are 3rd stage bosses.<br />
*Many fans draw the characters on the seal as "{{lang|ja|勅令 随身保命}}" (Emperor Rescript: Comply & Live), the format used in a film series [[wikipedia:Mr. Vampire|Mr. Vampire]], which is one of the most famous Jiang Shi movies.<br />
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==Official Profiles==<br />
{{hidden begin|title = [[Ten Desires]] Demo - omake.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue; text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th13Yoshika.png|200px|Yoshika Miyako TD]]<br />
| text = ○3面ボス 忠実な死体<br />
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宮古 芳香(みやこ よしか)<br />
<br />
種族:キョンシー<br/><br />
能力:何でも喰う程度の能力<br/><br />
(人間は一部を喰われると一時的にキョンシーになってしまう)<br />
<br />
<br />
何者かに蘇生させられた謎の死体。操り人形として大切な何かを守っている。<br />
<br />
異常な力と痛みを感じない肉体で、まともにやり合うとえらい目にあうが、思考回路は前時代のコンピュータ並である為、逃げることは容易い。<br />
<br />
彼女の闘いでは傷つくと霊を喰らい体力を増幅させる為、中々倒すことが出来ない。だが、逃げることは容易い(大切な事でした)<br />
<br />
<br />
彼女の体は非常に硬く、関節が曲がらない。まともに歩けない。操り主は彼女に、柔軟体操を勧めている。柔軟性がない状態で運動をすると怪我をしてしまうからである。ゾンビだけど。<br />
<br />
<br />
彼女は一体何を守っていたのだろうか。そしてこんな無意味な番人を置いた、彼女の主とは?<br />
<br />
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それは製品版にて!<br />
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| translation = '''3rd stage boss Loyal Corpse'''<br />
<br />
'''Yoshika Miyako'''<br />
<br />
Species: Jiang shi<br /><br />
Ability: Eating anything<br /><br />
(humans bitten by her turn into a jiang shi temporarily)<br />
<br />
<br />
A mysterious corpse revived by somebody. She is just a puppet, but she is keeping something important.<br />
<br />
She possesses strange power and has a body that does not feel pain. It is very challenging to confront her directly, but her brain is like a forgotten age of computers. It is very easy to kite her around.<br />
<br />
While fighting, if she is damaged, she consumes spirits and regenerates health, so she's very hard to beat up. But it is very easy to get away from her (and this is important).<br />
<br />
<br />
Her flesh body is very hard, and her joints do not bend. She cannot even walk that well. Her master is recommending calisthenics for her. Activity with no flexibility often ends up in injury. Though she is just a zombie.<br />
<br />
<br />
What is it that she is keeping safe? And what of her master, who employed a meaningless bodyguard like her?<br />
<br />
<br />
Stay tuned for the retail version!<br />
}}<br />
{{hidden end}}<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Ten Desires]] Demo - キャラ設定とエキストラストーリー.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue; text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th13Yoshika.png|200px|Yoshika Miyako]]<br />
| text = ○3面ボス 忠実な死体<br />
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宮古 芳香(みやこ よしか)<br /><br />
Miyako Yoshika<br />
<br />
種族:キョンシー<br /><br />
能力:何でも喰う程度の能力<br /><br />
(人間は一部を喰われると一時的にキョンシーになってしまう)<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
青娥に蘇生させられた日本古代の死体。<br /><br />
青娥の手先となって働いている。<br /><br />
今回は、復活寸前となった夢殿大祀廟を護る為にかり出された。<br />
<br />
異常な力と痛みを感じない肉体で、まともにやり合うとえらい目にあうが、思考回路は前時代のコンピュータ並である為、逃げることは容易い。<br />
<br />
彼女の闘いでは傷つくと霊を喰らい体力を増幅させる為、中々倒すことが出来ない。だが、逃げることは容易い(大切な事でした)<br />
<br />
彼女の体は非常に硬く、関節が曲がらない。まともに歩けない。<br /><br />
操り主は彼女に、柔軟体操を勧めている。柔軟性がない状態で運動をすると怪我をしてしまうからである。ゾンビだけど。<br />
| translation = '''3rd stage boss Loyal Corpse'''<br />
<br />
<br /><br />
'''Yoshika Miyako'''<br />
<br />
Species: Jiang shi<br /><br />
Ability: Eating anything<br /><br />
(humans bitten by her turn into a jiang shi temporarily)<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
A corpse revived by Seiga from an ancient era of Japan. She works for Seiga as her underling. This time, she was summoned to protect the Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum during the verge of resurrection.<br />
<br />
She possesses strange power and has a body that does not feel pain. It is very challenging to confront her directly, but her brain is like a forgotten age of computers. It is very easy to kite her around.<br />
<br />
While fighting, if she is damaged, she consumes spirits and regenerates health, so she's very hard to beat up. But it is very easy to get away from her (and this is important).<br />
<br />
Her flesh body is very hard, and her joints do not bend. She cannot even walk that well. Her master is recommending an exercise training for flexibility. Activity with no flexibility often ends up in injury. Though she is just a zombie.<br />
}}<br />
{{hidden end}}<br />
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==Official Sources==<br />
{{hidden begin|title = Official sources|titlestyle = background:pink; text-align:center;}}<br />
*2011/04/15 '''[[Ten Desires]] Demo''' - Stage 3 dialogue; キャラ設定とエキストラストーリー.txt (pre-official profile)<br />
*2011/08/13 '''[[Ten Desires]]''' - Stage 3 dialogue; Omake.txt (official profile)<br />
*2011/11/25 '''[[Ten Desires special and two-part interview with ZUN]]'''<br />
*2011/11/25 '''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]''' - Chapter 9 (cameo)<br />
*2012/04/27 '''[[Symposium of Post-mysticism]]'''<br />
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{{Navbox Characters}}<br />
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[[ru:Ёсика Мияко]]<br />
[[zh:宫古芳香]]<br />
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[[Category:Characters in Ten Desires]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Ofuda&diff=327600Ofuda2014-09-04T02:59:45Z<p>Karob: Created page with "{{stub}} Reimu holding two ofuda in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense''.]] {{nihongo|'''Ofuda'''|御札 or お札|o-fuda|a..."</p>
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[[File:PMiSS reimu.jpg|thumb|Reimu holding two ofuda in ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]''.]]<br />
{{nihongo|[[wikipedia:Ofuda|'''Ofuda''']]|御札 or お札|o-fuda|a charm}} are inscribed strips of paper or other material used within the [[wikipedia:Shinto|Shinto religion]] as amulets or talismans for purification, exorcism, or protection. It is common for ofuda in [[wikipedia:Manga|manga]] or [[wikipedia:Anime|anime]] to have other abilities, such as timed explosion ("paper bombs"). In the Touhou Project, ofuda are often seen decorating characters and being used in characters' danmaku.<br />
==Examples==<br />
*[[Reimu Hakurei]]'s primary bullet attacks are usually in the form of ofuda.<br />
*[[Fujiwara no Mokou]]'s hair is shown tied with ofuda and several ofuda are attached to her pants.<br />
*[[Yoshika Miyako]] has an ofuda attached to her forehead, supposedly with a to-do list written on it by her master.<br />
==Gallery==<br />
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File:IN_reimu_ofuda.jpg|[[Reimu Hakurei]] firing ofuda in ''[[Imperishable Night]]''.<br />
File:Mokou.png|[[Fujiwara no Mokou]] sporting several ofuda on her hair and pants.<br />
</gallery><br />
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<div>{{Infobox Character<br />
| nameJp = {{ruby-ja|博麗|はくれい}} {{ruby-ja|霊夢|れいむ}}<br />
| nameEn = Reimu Hakurei<br />
| nameIPA = hakɯɽeː ɽeːmɯ [[Media:Reimu.ogg|(♫)]]<br />
| image = [[File:Th14Reimu.png|x380px|Reimu Hakurei]]<br />
| caption = Reimu Hakurei in [[Double Dealing Character]]<br />
| chartitle = {{H:title|Shrine Maiden of Paradise|楽園の巫女}}<br />
| species = [[Human]]<br />
| abilities = Ability to Float<br />Aura Manipulation<br />Powers as the [[Shrine Maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine|Hakurei]]<br />
| occupation = [[Shrine Maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine|Hakurei]]<br />
| location = [[Hakurei Shrine]]<br />
| MusicThemes = *{{H:title|{{lang|ja|東方妖恋談}}|Eastern Mystical Love Consultation}} ([[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]], [[Immaterial and Missing Power]], [[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]], [[Touhou Hisoutensoku]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|少女綺想曲 ~}} Capriccio|Maiden's Capriccio}} ([[Lotus Land Story]], [[Immaterial and Missing Power]])<br />
*Witching Dream ([[Lotus Land Story]])<ref>Although it is a stage 1 theme, ZUN's comments in th4_02.txt state that it is her theme.</ref><br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|二色蓮花蝶 ~}} Ancients|Dichromatic Lotus Butterfly ~ Ancients}} ([[Shuusou Gyoku]], [[Touhou Hisoutensoku]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|二色蓮花蝶 ~}} Red and White|Dichromatic Lotus Butterfly ~ Red and White}} ([[Dolls in Pseudo Paradise]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|少女綺想曲 ~}} Dream Battle|Maiden's Capriccio ~ Dream Battle}} ([[Imperishable Night]])<br />
*{{H:title|{{lang|ja|春色小径 ~}} Colorful Path|Spring Lane ~ Colorful Path}} ([[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]], [[Hopeless Masquerade]])<br />
| appOfficialgames = *[[Highly Responsive to Prayers]] (Cover, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]] (Cover, Title Screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]] (Cover, Title Screen, Playable Character, Possible Opponent)<br />
*[[Lotus Land Story]] (Cover, Title Screen, Playable Character, Stage 4 Boss)<br />
*[[Mystic Square]] (Cover, Title Screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]] (Title Screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]] (Title Screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Immaterial and Missing Power]] (Playable Character, Possible Opponent, Final Boss of [[Suika Ibuki|Suika's]] Scenario)<br />
*[[Imperishable Night]] (Title Screen, Playable Character, Stage 4A Midboss, Stage 4A Boss)<br />
*[[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]] (Title Screen, Playable Character, Possible Opponent, Final Boss of [[Eiki Shiki, Yamaxanadu|Eiki's]] Scenario)<br />
*[[Mountain of Faith]] (Title Screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]] (Playable Character, Possible Opponent, Final Boss of [[Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi's]] and [[Aya Shameimaru|Aya's]] Scenario)<br />
*[[Subterranean Animism]] (Title Screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Undefined Fantastic Object]] (Title Screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Touhou Hisoutensoku|Touhou Hisoutensoku standalone]] (Playable Character)<br />
*[[Double Spoiler]] (Scene EX-1, EX-4, EX-7 Boss)<br />
*[[Fairy Wars]] (Route B1 ending)<br />
*[[Ten Desires]] (Title Screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Hopeless Masquerade]] (Playable Character, Final Boss of [[Hata no Kokoro|Kokoro]]'s Scenario)<br />
*[[Double Dealing Character]] (Title screen, Playable Character)<br />
*[[Impossible Spell Card]] (8th Day Boss)<br />
| appPrintworks = *[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]] (Secondary Character)<br />
*[[Eastern and Little Nature Deity]] (Secondary Character)<br />
*[[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red]] (Interview)<br />
**[[Extra of the Wind]] (Secondary Character)<br />
*[[Memorizable Gensokyo]] (Secondary Character)<br />
*[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]] (Article)<br />
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{{nihongo|'''Reimu Hakurei'''|博麗 霊夢|Hakurei Reimu}} is the main character of the ''[[Touhou Project]]'' along with [[Marisa Kirisame]]. As the [[shrine maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine|Hakurei]], she manages the [[Hakurei Border]] of [[Gensokyo]] and exterminates troublesome [[youkai]].<br />
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==General Information==<br />
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===Personality===<br />
Her personality is straightforward, optimistic, and a bit curious. She is quick to anger if offended, but just as quick to offer help to those in need. According to [[Komachi]], Reimu has an innocent heart that can't truly hate anyone.<ref>''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]'' chapter 5</ref> While rather lazy in her free time, she is highly devoted to her duties as the [[Hakurei]] [[Shrine Maiden]], resulting in a "shoot first and ask questions later" attitude to youkai extermination.<br />
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It's been stated that Reimu treats everyone the same, whether they're humans, youkai or gods, giving them no particular respect or disrespect. This habit has caused her to inadvertently befriend many youkai she defeats. While she tries to keep youkai away from her shrine, this is because it makes it harder to do her job rather than because she dislikes them. At the end of the symposium in ''[[Symposium of Post-mysticism]]'', when Reimu goes to break it up, Miko notes that though Reimu says she wants to eliminate all the youkai, she actually just wants to attain a peace in Gensokyo that doesn't require violence, like the others present wish.<br />
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===Abilities===<br />
'''Ability to float'''<br />
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While flight is extremely common among inhabitants of [[Gensokyo]], Reimu's ability extends beyond that; she is capable of phasing in & out of existence, or as described in The [[Grimoire of Marisa]], ''floating away from reality''. Reimu can use this power to teleport short distances, but rarely seems to be aware that she is doing so. The ultimate expression of this ability is ''Fantasy Nature'', which renders her completely intangible while active; this ability was considered too powerful for use as a [[spell card]] until Marisa gave it a name and time limit.<br />
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'''Aura manipulation'''<br />
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It's stated in the omake.txt (''おまけ.txt'') of ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'' that Reimu can control the natural spirits of living things, an ability which is not listed in any source afterwards. No clear instance of this ability has been displayed in canon.<br />
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'''Powers as the [[Hakurei]] [[Shrine Maiden]]'''<br />
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As the [[Hakurei Shrine|Hakurei]] shrine maiden, Reimu can handle the Hakurei [[Yin-Yang Orb]]s, and is trained in [[youkai]] extermination techniques as well as standard duties like performing blessings. Reimu is also capable of invoking [[Gensokyo]]'s native [[god]]s into her body, but she isn't well-trained enough to do so reliably.<br />
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'''Barrier techniques'''<br />
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Reimu displays great aptitude with magical barriers (beyond that normally associated with [[shrine maiden]]s), presumably related to her work in maintaining the [[Great Hakurei Barrier]]. Among her techniques are barriers that explode, push enemies (or herself), or act as portals for her other attacks. Reimu is capable of dismantling barriers and seals too complex for [[Marisa Kirisame]]<ref>''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]'': [[Perfect Cherry Blossom/Story/Marisa's Scenario|Marisa's scenario]] - "This barrier is amazing. There's no way a novice like me can solve its mystery. Is there something I'm missing?"; [[Perfect Cherry Blossom/Story/Reimu's Scenario|Reimu's scenario]] - "You ''broke'' the barrier on the way here, didn't you!" "That one opened right up."</ref> and [[Patchouli Knowledge]]<ref>''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]'' chapter 15</ref> to understand, with what Marisa calls her "cheat technique".<ref>''[[Forbidden Scrollery]]'' chapter 7 - "Ah, that gesture is bad. That will dissolve any seal; Reimu's cheat technique."</ref><br />
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===Occupation===<br />
Reimu is the shrine maiden of the [[Hakurei Shrine]], and one of the main "incident solvers" in Gensokyo. She and others characterize the time she spends at the shrine to be largely boring and uneventful. While she is sometimes serious about her duties, she can't seem to get many worshipers at her shrine. It appears that her youkai extermination is her only method of earning even a meager salary. [[Kanako Yasaka]] has stated that if she was to acquire a tremendous amount of faith, she could become a goddess, but at the moment she acts more like a youkai.<br />
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===Possessions===<br />
In most of the Touhou games, Reimu uses the [[Yin-Yang Orb]]s in combat. In ''[[Subterranean Animism]]'' they also functioned as communicators with people above the surface. In addition, she usually carries a [[wikipedia:Gohei|gohei]], sometimes referred to as her [[purification rod]], originally prepared by [[Rinnosuke Morichika]].<br />
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She also possesses a great amount of [[ofuda]], sacred paper charms with anti-[[youkai]] properties that she uses to fight, seal or exterminate youkai of any kind. Apparently, she can also use them to create barriers and even clones of herself.<ref> ''[[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]] - Skill Card: [[Scarlet_Weather_Rhapsody/Spell_Cards/Reimu_Hakurei#Skill_Card_11|Instant Dimensional Rift]]</ref> Like the Yin-Yang Orbs, she uses them in most, if not all, games she has appeared in, either as a normal shot (usually with homing properties) or as bullets for her spellcards.<br />
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===Machinery===<br />
In PC-98 canon, she possesses a robot called [[Ruukoto]], given to her by [[Yumemi Okazaki]] as a reward for defeating her. She has not been seen outside of [[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]].<br />
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==Backstory==<br />
Not much is known about Reimu's history prior to the events of the games. [[ZUN]] does mention in one of his [[Shanghai Alice Correspondence]] documents that there was a previous Hakurei Shrine Maiden, and it is generally assumed that there is a line of them.<br />
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==Character Design==<br />
===Origin===<br />
Reimu Hakurei as a [[Shrine Maiden]] in ''[[Highly Responsive to Prayers]]'' is based on the character Sayo-chan, who is the protagonist of ''[[Wikipedia:KiKi KaiKai|KiKi KaiKai]]''.<ref>[[wikipedia:File:Kikikaikai.gif|kikikaikai.gif]]</ref> The [[Bakebake]] are also based on this game.<br />
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===Name===<br />
Reimu's full name is ''Reimu Hakurei'' ({{lang|ja|博麗 霊夢}}). The characters for ''Reimu'''s last name ''Hakurei'' ({{lang|ja|博麗}}) literally mean something along the lines of "esteemed companion". The first word ''Haku'' ({{lang|ja|[[wiktionary:博|博]]}}) means "wide" or "exposition" while ''Rei'' ({{lang|ja|[[wiktionary:麗|麗]]}}) means "lovely", "graceful", or "beautiful". Her first name {{nihongo||霊夢|Reimu|lit. "spirit/soul dream"}} is a relevant Japanese word that refers to a "divine revelation made through dreams".<br />
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In the [[PC-98]] game era, her name was written with a slight difference. {{lang|ja|博麗}}<big>'''{{lang|ja|[[wiktionary:靈|靈]]}}'''</big>{{lang|ja|夢}} was changed to {{lang|ja|博麗}}<big>'''{{lang|ja|[[wiktionary:霊|霊]]}}'''</big>{{lang|ja|夢}} from ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]'' and onwards. {{lang|ja|靈}} is simply the historical form of {{lang|ja|霊}}, which is identical to the former in terms of meaning. In the Japanese community, {{lang|ja|博麗靈夢}} is used to refer to Reimu in the PC-98 era specifically. Incidentally, Chinese (Taiwanese) fans who use the [[wikipedia:traditional Chinese characters|traditional Chinese characters]] also adopt this style to refer to Reimu in general (old Japanese kanji form and traditional [[wikipedia:Chinese characters|hanzi]] are basically identical).<br />
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===Design===<br />
Reimu is of moderate height. She has brown-black hair which varies in length and style between games (tending towards long and loose in later works), though she always wears a large red ribbon at the back of her head, and red tubes on her sidelocks. She is usually seen in her "miko uniform", but it bears little in common with the standard uniform beyond the red-and-white colour scheme (which ZUN has acknowledged<ref>[[ZUN/ZUN's reply to messages on the former Gensou Bulletin Board 3|ZUN's reply to messages on the former Gensou Bulletin Board 3]]</ref>). This uniform consists of a red skirt (rather than the standard [[wikipedia:Hakama|hakama]]), a sleeveless red top with a white collar, tied with a yellow ribbon (a red ribbon in ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'' and ''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]'', a blue one in ''[[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]]'', ''[[Subterranean Animism]] and [[Hopeless Masquerade]]''), and a pair of white detached sleeves which expose her armpits and [[wikipedia:sarashi|sarashi]]. Because of the color scheme she is occasionally called the "red-white miko"<ref>''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'' - Extra stage</ref>. Her miko clothing and her [[purification rod]] came from [[Rinnosuke Morichika]], but it's unknown who designs them. In chapter 7 of ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'', she used chopsticks with her left hand, and it was stated that she was left-handed (this statement was deleted in the collected edition), but she held a pen with her right hand in ''Subterranean Animism''. It has been speculated by fans that, assuming this wasn't an art error, she may be ambidextrous or just used to writing with her right hand.<br />
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==Story==<br />
===Games===<br />
;Highly Responsive to Prayers<br />
:{{Main|Highly Responsive to Prayers#Story|l1=Highly Responsive to Prayers Story}}<br />
A lone shrine sits Far East: the [[Hakurei Shrine]]. The powerful seal placed there has worn away, and many strange creatures are starting to come out. Now Reimu, seeking revenge (or possibly just to sate her curiosity), and armed with the shrine's treasure, the [[Yin-Yang Orb]]s, goes to the gate to face the [[Youkai|non-human]] creatures inside. The gate will lead to either [[Makai]] or [[Hell]] depending on which route the player chooses.<br />
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;Story of Eastern Wonderland<br />
:{{Main|Story of Eastern Wonderland/Story|l1=Story of Eastern Wonderland Story}}<br />
Reimu is training intensely in the harsh extremities of a mountain (or taking it easy), but when she returns to the shrine, she finds it infested by [[youkai]], [[ghost]]s and other non-human creatures. With her faithful turtle [[Genjii]] and her trusty Yin-Yang Orbs, she sets out to find the one who caused the trouble. Her journey leads her to [[Rika]], the culprit, as well as [[Mima]], who has broken the seal placed on her in ''[[Highly Responsive to Prayers]]'', and desires the power of the Yin-Yang Orbs for herself. Reimu is victorious in battle and learns the truth behind the Yin-Yang Orbs.<br />
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;Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream<br />
:{{Main|Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream/Translation/Reimu's Scenario|l1=Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream Reimu's Scenario}}<br />
Things have been peaceful lately so Reimu has time to kill. When some old ruins appear near the shrine, promising a reward for whoever can manage to make it inside, she decides to enter a sort of tournament to decide who will go in. Assuming she is the player character, she defeats all six opponents and makes it inside to confront [[Chiyuri Kitashirakawa]] and [[Yumemi Okazaki]], who have come from the real world in search of proof of magic. As a reward for defeating her, Yumemi gives Reimu the housekeeping robot [[Ruukoto]].<br />
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;Lotus Land Story<br />
:{{Main|Lotus Land Story/Story|l1=Lotus Land Story Story}}<br />
Reimu mulls over on how quiet things have been, but soon enough, youkai and spirits start flooding out into [[Gensokyo]] again, putting her shrine in danger. She confronts a few, then realizes this must have been the work of something bigger, and decides to go straight to the source of the issue. She makes her way through to the [[Dream World]], where she finally meets [[Yuuka Kazami]] and defeats her.<br />
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;Mystic Square<br />
:{{Main|Mystic Square/Translation/Reimu's Scenario|l1=Mystic Square Reimu's Scenario}}<br />
A large outpour of [[demon]]s are appearing throughout the land from [[Makai]], and Reimu sets out to exterminate them. She reaches the creator of Makai itself, [[Shinki]], and defeats her in battle. Afterwards, she learns that the youkai and demon overflow in [[Gensokyo]] is the fault of some kind of Makai travel agency. Shinki promises to do something about it, but the demons make their way back to the shrine anyway.<br />
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;Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil<br />
:{{Main|Embodiment of Scarlet Devil/Story/Reimu's Scenario|l1=Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil Reimu's Scenario}}<br />
A scarlet mist covers the sky of Gensokyo. Reimu who is annoyed by the mist, sets out to stop the incident. Her travels lead her to the [[Scarlet Devil Mansion]], whose owner, [[Remilia Scarlet]], has spread the mist to try and block out the sun's rays, as she is a [[vampire]]. After defeating her, Remilia soon comes to visit her at the shrine, but Reimu has to return to the mansion when an odd rain suddenly appears over it, in order to deal with [[Flandre Scarlet]].<br />
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;Perfect Cherry Blossom<br />
:{{Main|Perfect Cherry Blossom/Story/Reimu's Scenario|l1=Perfect Cherry Blossom Reimu's Scenario}}<br />
Even though it is May, spring shows no signs of coming, leaving the inhabitants of [[Gensokyo]] in a cold winter weather that only got worse. Reimu, noticing cherry petals blowing from the [[Netherworld]], decides to set out and stop the perpetrator from holding spring hostage. After making her way into the Netherworld, she comes to [[Hakugyokurou]], where the ghost [[Yuyuko Saigyouji]] spends her time administrating the spirits of the dead. She was gathering the essence of spring to try and make the [[Saigyou Ayakashi]] bloom, but Reimu stops her before she completes it. Later on, Yuyuko asks Reimu to go deal with her friend [[Yukari Yakumo]], as she is the one who has been weakening the boundary between Gensokyo and the Netherworld, and she does so, after fierce combat. Yukari then restores the strength of the boundary.<br />
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;Immaterial and Missing Power<br />
:{{Main|Immaterial_and_Missing_Power/Story#Reimu.27s_Story|l1=Immaterial and Missing Power Reimu's Scenario}}<br />
As Reimu makes preparations for an upcoming feast, both [[human]]s and [[youkai]] are drawn to the feast and are unable to stop partying. Reimu is suspicious of a strange mist that covers Gensokyo and goes to investigate. She roams around, beating up various characters she suspects to be the culprit. She cannot find them; but on the day of the feast, [[Suika Ibuki]] finally makes herself known, and [[Yukari Yakumo]] shows Reimu to her. Suika soons becomes attached to hanging out at the [[Hakurei Shrine]].<br />
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;Imperishable Night<br />
:{{Main|Imperishable Night/Story/Boundary Team's Scenario 1|l1=Imperishable Night Boundary Team's Scenario}}<br />
Yukari is not able to sleep and discovers the full moon is nowhere to be found; it has been replaced with a fake moon, and the night appears to have stopped. She convinces Reimu into investigating the cause with her. After dealing with a few youkai, and [[Marisa Kirisame]] in particular, who demands to know why they've created this eternal night, they reach [[Eientei]], a house hidden in the [[Bamboo Forest of the Lost]]. Once there, they either confront [[Eirin Yagokoro]] or [[Kaguya Houraisan]]. Eirin explains that she actually sealed the Earth away from the [[Moon]] in order to prevent the Lunarians from taking Kaguya back. Kaguya, however, has tired of hiding, and so challenges Reimu and Yukari to complete her five impossible requests. Once they are defeated, they undo the seal (and thus "return" the real moon to Gensokyo). Afterwards, they all decide to have a moon viewing. Later on, Kaguya sends them into another part of the Bamboo Forest of the Lost as a "test of guts" - but her true intentions are revealed to be trying to annoy [[Fujiwara no Mokou]], another immortal human, and her eternal rival.<br />
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;Phantasmagoria of Flower View<br />
:{{Main|Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View/Story#Reimu.27s_Story|l1=Phantasmagoria of Flower View Reimu's Scenario}}<br />
Reimu, who is usually easy-going, is disturbed by the amount of flowers blooming and, not to be the one who shrugs off her duties, goes on to search for answers. She fights through many opponents, including news reporter [[Aya Shameimaru]], in search of the truth. Eventually she reaches [[Muenzuka]], where the [[shinigami]] [[Komachi Onozuka]], who appears to have been slacking off on her job to manage said spirits. [[Eiki Shiki, Yamaxanadu]] appears after Reimu beats Komachi up, and explains what's happening - an awful lot of spirits of the dead suddenly arrived from the [[Human World]], and they're having trouble accomodating all of them. After a lecture, they do battle, and Reimu emerges victorious. The three of them have a flower viewing later on, where it's explained that as the spirits of the dead cross the Sanzu River, the flowers' blooming will settle down.<br />
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;Mountain of Faith<br />
:{{Main|Mountain of Faith/Story/Reimu's Scenario|l1=Mountain of Faith Reimu's Scenario}}<br />
Reimu's shrine has become a hotspot for [[youkai]], so she doesn't get many [[human]] visitors to do patronage. She receives a foreboding threat from a [[Sanae Kochiya|mysterious human visitor]], who demands that the [[Hakurei shrine]] be shut down and submit to another god. Reimu, always the optimist, decided to go to [[Youkai Mountain]] to face the goddess who is making these threats. She fights her way up to the [[Moriya Shrine]] and defeats its shrine maiden, [[Sanae Kochiya]], as well as its resident god, [[Kanako Yasaka]], thus saving her own shrine. Afterwards, Reimu summons everyone to the shrine to watch the autumn leaves, where she vouches for Sanae and Kanako and tells [[Nitori]] and [[Aya]] that they should invite them over for drinks sometime and generally get along. Sanae also tells Reimu that youkai are a good source of faith. A while later, Marisa brings Reimu the rumor that a second god is actually living at the Moriya Shrine, and she goes to check it out. She then meets [[Suwako Moriya]] and defeats her.<br />
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;Scarlet Weather Rhapsody<br />
:{{Main|Scarlet_Weather_Rhapsody/Story#Reimu.27s_Story|l1=Scarlet Weather Rhapsody Reimu's Scenario}}<br />
The [[Hakurei Shrine]] is suddenly destroyed by an earthquake, but upon consulting with Marisa, Reimu finds out that no one else felt it, so there must be something odd going on. She goes around to various suspicious characters, including [[Komachi Onodzuka]], who Reimu initially suspects. However, it's not her, so Reimu ends up making her way towards [[Heaven]], where the celestials [[Iku Nagae]] and [[Tenshi Hinanawi]] reside. Tenshi reveals she started the incident simply because she was bored watching everyone else getting involved in incidents and wanted to start her own. She also claims she destroyed Reimu's shrine so Reimu would be motivated to resolve the incident; Reimu promptly resolves the incident by defeating Tenshi. Afterwards, Tenshi has a legion of celestials help rebuild her shrine.<br />
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;Subterranean Animism<br />
:{{Main|Subterranean Animism/Translation/Reimu and Yukari's Scenario|l1=Subterranean Animism Reimu and Yukari Arc|Subterranean Animism/Translation/Reimu and Suika's Scenario|l2=Subterranean Animism Story Reimu and Suika Arc|Subterranean Animism/Translation/Reimu and Aya's Scenario|l3=Subterranean Animism Story Reimu and Aya Arc}}<br />
A geyser appears behind [[Hakurei Shrine]], and at first Reimu is happy, because its heat will alleviate the cold of winter. However, [[Evil spirit|evil spirit]]s begin emerging from the earth and loitering about [[Gensokyo]]. Reimu is sent to investigate with either [[Yukari Yakumo]], [[Suika Ibuki]], or [[Aya Shameimaru]], depending on what shot type the player chooses. She communicates them throughout her trip via her Yin-Yang Orbs. She heads straight to the [[Underworld]], and fights her way deeper and deeper until reaching the [[Palace of the Earth Spirits]]. There she meets [[Satori Komeiji]], whose two pets apparently have something to do with it. Reimu defeats [[Rin Kaenbyou]], then reaches [[Utsuho Reiuji]], who, with her newfound powers, is maintaining the hellfire that heats the Underground, and is responsible for the geysers that let the evil spirits leak out. She defeats her as well, then returns to the surface. Rin starts frequenting the shrine, though mostly for food, and eventually they make the geyser behind the shrine into a hot spring. Utsuho later explains how she came to possess such power, and it seems to point straight towards Kanako and Suwako, so Reimu sets off for the Youkai Mountain again. When she gets to the shrine, however, she meets [[Koishi Komeiji]], who was apparently also looking for who gave Utsuho those powers. Suwako comes out to meet them after they fight and explains it's all part of their "industrial revolution project".<br />
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;Touhou Hisoutensoku<br />
A humanoid giant is trampling about [[Gensokyo]]. Three residents have a few theories on what that could be. Reimu has a fight with a couple of people, then reads about it later on in the newspaper.<br />
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;Undefined Fantastic Object<br />
:{{Main|Undefined Fantastic Object/Story/Reimu A's Scenario|l1=Reimu A Scenario|Undefined Fantastic Object/Story/Reimu B's Scenario|l2=Reimu B Scenario}}<br />
When the treasure ship appears in the skies of Gensokyo, Reimu decides to go after it. She forces her way into it only to discover that there's no treasure inside. However, [[Minamitsu Murasa]] tells her they're headed to [[Makai]] to revive a "saint" of some sort. She follows them there and meets [[Byakuren Hijiri]], a Buddhist monk that loves youkai and humans equally. That certainly won't do, so Reimu beats her up. She and Byakuren later fly around the skies on the ship, but afterwards the ship is landed and renovated into the [[Myouren Temple]]. A little later, she follows up on the strange light that was following her during the journey, and it turns out to be [[Nue Houjuu]], a straggler from Byakuren's group. Reimu defeats her and persuades her to visit the temple.<br />
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;Ten Desires<br />
:{{Main|Ten Desires/Story/Reimu's Scenario|l1=Ten Desires Story}}<br />
A large number of [[Divine spirit|divine spirit]]s appear, threatening the flower viewing, so it's up to Reimu to figure out what's causing it. She visits the [[Netherworld]] first; while [[Yuyuko Saigyouji]] isn't the culprit, she points the shrine maiden towards the [[Myouren Temple]]. After forcing her way to the graveyard, she discovers the spirits all flocking to the [[Hall of Dreams' Great Mausoleum]]. Once inside, she defeats the newly resurrected [[Mononobe no Futo]] and [[Toyosatomimi no Miko]] in battle.<br />
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===Literature===<br />
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;Curiosities of Lotus Asia<br />
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;Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red<br />
:{{Main|Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red/Reimu|l1=Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red Article and Interview: Reimu}}<br />
Shortly after the events of ''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]'', [[Aya Shameimaru]] attends a flower viewing at the [[Hakurei Shrine]], where she meets Reimu, who is in a foul mood because no one wants to help her clean up after event. Aya plies her with sake and questions her about the incident, commenting in the article that "Reimu just seems to be a laid-back drunkard".<br />
In the follow-up interview, Reimu claims Aya's paper is full of lies and insists her account of the incident is true, though Aya still doesn't recognize Reimu's deeds.<br />
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;Silent Sinner in Blue<br />
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;Eastern and Little Nature Deity, Strange and Bright Nature Deity, and Oriental Sacred Place<br />
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;Symposium of Post-mysticism<br />
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;Wild and Horned Hermit<br />
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;Forbidden Scrollery<br />
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==Relationships==<br />
Although Reimu often shows up as the main character, she doesn't participate in mundane activities to the extent [[Marisa Kirisame]] does, limiting her familiarity with most of [[Gensokyo]]'s population. Nevertheless, she has interacted with almost every other character that has ever made a physical appearance, with a few exceptions such as the [[Giant Catfish]], [[Renko Usami]], and [[Maribel Hearn]].<br />
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;Marisa Kirisame<br />
Reimu's best friend is likely [[Marisa Kirisame]], who spends a lot of her time at the shrine. They are there together the majority of the time in various print works, prologues, and extra stage prologues, hanging out together and discussing or attending the latest events in [[Gensokyo]]. Reimu has known Marisa since ''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]'', where [[Mima]] had Marisa fight Reimu. Their friendship may have started soon after that, as in all of the bad endings, Marisa decides she needs to train more, and drags Reimu along to train with her, much to Reimu's chagrin.<br />
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;Yukari Yakumo<br />
Despite her antagonistic personality, [[Yukari Yakumo]] mentors Reimu by pushing her to increase her spiritual powers, such as learning how to invoke the gods in ''[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]''. She also occasionally seeks Reimu's assistance in resolving incidents in ''[[Imperishable Night]]'' and ''[[Subterranean Animism]]''.<br />
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;Rinnosuke Morichika<br />
Reimu is familiar with [[Rinnosuke Morichika]], a shopkeeper who owns [[Kourindou]], who she sometimes visits to hang out or for wares (and sometimes shoplifts). She apparently has a large unpaid tab for requested items and services, but denies it since Rinnosuke "never accepts money" (which he denies being the case). Rinnosuke was also the one that originally prepared her [[purification rod]] for her use.<br />
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;Sanae Kochiya<br />
Despite being the priestess of a rival shrine, [[Sanae Kochiya]] is on friendly terms with Reimu and appears frequently in ''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]'' alongside Reimu and Marisa. She came on a bit strongly when she and Reimu first met, but she really thought she was helping the Hakurei Shrine out by attempting to get it to switch gods to [[Kanako Yasaka]]. After ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'', Sanae offered to help Reimu as a fellow miko to gather faith for the shrine, and appears to have been friends with Reimu since then.<br />
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;Genjii<br />
In the [[PC-98]] [[canon]], Reimu used a [[turtle]] as a means for flight until the end of ''[[Mystic Square]]''; that turtle was [[Genjii]]. Reimu calls him "gramps".<br />
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;Three Fairies of Light<br />
Reimu is often the target of pranks by the [[Three Fairies of Light]], and Reimu tends to exterminate them on sight whenever she catches them (unless Marisa is escorting them). As of ''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]'', the three fairies moved into a tree near the [[Hakurei Shrine]] and become Reimu's neighbors, increasing the amount of pranks even more. Reimu aims to evict the fairies, but cannot find their treehouse, which is actually located on the [[Hakurei Border]]. Eventually, in an attempt to befriend Reimu so she'll no longer threaten them, the three fairies challenge her to a battle, reasoning that Reimu tends to befriend many youkai after fighting them. After an intense battle, Reimu finally defeats the fairies (instantly), and points out that their line of reasoning is utterly ridiculous. Despite this, Marisa finds that Reimu befriended the fairies after all, and as of the end of Oriental Sacred Place, the fairies now happily openly spend time at the shrine while helping Reimu out with various chores.<br />
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;Byakuren Hijiri<br />
Reimu views [[Byakuren Hijiri]] and the [[Myouren Temple]] as a rival of sorts to herself and the Hakurei Shrine. In ''[[Ten Desires]]'', [[Toyosatomimi no Miko]] points out that Reimu is friendly towards Byakuren. Although Reimu says they're religious rivals, she does not seem to deny it. In one of her ''[[Undefined Fantastic Object]]'' endings, Reimu is depressed at how quickly Byakuren's temple is picking up followers compared to her own shrine. By the time of ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'', Reimu is angry at the temple for stealing away her shrine's followers (ignoring that her shrine never had (m)any followers in the first place), but Byakuren seems unaware of this.<br />
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;Kasen Ibaraki<br />
[[Kasen Ibaraki]] is a regular at the shrine and acts as a mentor (and sometimes guardian) of Reimu, whom she fears is too concerned with worldly desires.<br />
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;Unnamed kitsune & Unnamed kuda-gitsune<br />
In ''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]'' Chapter 8, The [[Unnamed kitsune]] offered to help Reimu gain worshipers after being caught disguised as Marisa during a party at Hakurei Shrine. She was, however, deceiving Reimu by letting her use the powers of her kuda-gitsune. Using her ability, they gathered worshipers. [[Kasen Ibaraki]] discovered that these fox youkai had been consuming Reimu's willpower and wealth as payment for their help. However, they managed to walk away from the Hakurei Shrine with all her wealth.<br />
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===Minor Relationships===<br />
;The Hakurei God<br />
Reimu knows next to nothing about [[The Hakurei God|the god dwelling in her shrine]], making her unable to provide it with faith despite her efforts. Byakuren stated in one of the endings for ''[[Undefined Fantastic Object]]'' that the god is mad because of this.<br />
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;Ruukoto<br />
In the PC-98 canon, she obtains a [[robot]]ic maid named [[Ruukoto]] as a servant at the end of ''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream]]'' though no reference has been made to it since.<br />
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;Mima<br />
In the PC-98 canon, [[Mima]] is an [[Onryou#Akuryou|Akuryou]] who haunts the surroundings of the [[Hakurei Shrine]], after many confrontations and being resealed by Reimu, she decides to spend her days making fun of the miko.<br />
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;Suika Ibuki<br />
[[Suika Ibuki]], who often freeloads her shrine after the events of ''[[Immaterial and Missing Power]]'' is also is her ally during ''[[Subterranean Animism]]''. Reimu saw Suika's presence as a nuisance at first, but never really bothered with driving her away.<br />
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;Aya Shameimaru<br />
[[Aya Shameimaru]], the [[tengu]] reporter was also her ally during the events of ''Subterranean Animism''.<br />
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;VIVIT<br />
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[[VIVIT]] first met Reimu Hakurei at the [[Hakurei Shrine]] in [[Gensokyo]] during the Extra stage of ''[[Shuusou Gyoku]]'', where Reimu attacked her before she could explain what she was doing. After Reimu lost, VIVIT told her that she was looking for the [[wikipedia:Holy Grail|Holy Grail]], causing Reimu to become confused and start asking questions.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
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File:PMiSS reimu.jpg|Illustration from ''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]''<br />
File:GoMSigil-Reimu.jpg|Reimu's sigil from ''[[Grimoire of Marisa]]''<br />
File:GoMIllus-Reimu.jpg|Illustration from ''[[Grimoire of Marisa]]''<br />
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==Spell Cards==<br />
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==Additional Information==<br />
*Reimu seems to be scared before and after the boss battle with the [[Five Magic Stones]], making this the only ever time that Reimu was scared and/or afraid of a boss before and after the battle.<br />
*Reimu is known for exterminating youkai indiscriminately, regardless of how much of a threat they represent to her or others. The most notable example of this was [[Tokiko]], who was ambushed by Reimu while she was, in Reimu's own words, "reading and minding her own business".<br />
*Most of her theme from ''Lotus Land Story'' sounds similar to [[Elis]] and [[Kikuri]]'s theme from Highly Responsive to Prayers, "Magic Mirror".<br />
*It is originally stated that she lives alone at the shrine, but other rarely seen characters ([[Mima]] and [[SinGyoku]]) are known to stay there or near there as well. Even then, she claims that most youkai visitors are nuisances, and she'd prefer to be left alone. [[Marisa Kirisame]] seems to be one of the few who she wouldn't drive away.<br />
*In ''[[Imperishable Night]]'', Reimu is the only one whose partner doesn't mention the danger of the full moon.<br />
*Reimu's ultimate technique {{nihongo|'''Fantasy Nature'''|夢想天生|musou tensei|"innate fantasy gained at birth"}} is homophonous with the ultimate technique of the Hokuto Shinken school in ''[[wikipedia:Fist of the North Star|Fist of the North Star]]'', {{nihongo|'''Musou Tensei'''|無想転生|musou tensei|"nil-thought rebirth"}}, and has much the same effect.<br />
**In ''[[Touhou Hisoutensoku]]'', if you activate Fantasy Nature successfully in a 3rd round, a remix of "Eastern Mystical Love Consultation" will play which resembles ''Ai wo Torimodose'', the opening theme of the ''Fist of the North Star'' anime (an instrumental version of which usually plays whenever Kenshiro is about to win a fight).<br />
*In ''Touhou Hisoutensoku'', one of her alternative palettes looks similar to [[VIVIT]], the heroine of the ''[[Seihou Project]]''. Also, one of her palettes seems to be another maid homage, [[Ruukoto]], or possibly [[Sanae Kochiya]]'s colours. The palette also seems to resemble Mima from ''[[Highly Responsive to Prayers]]''. Her white/light gray palette seems to resemble [[wikipedia:Toki (Fist of the North Star)#Toki|Toki]] from Hokuto no Ken and possibly somewhat similar to her white outfit from the fangame ''[[Concealed the Conclusion]]''. <!--And finally, her white/light blue palette looks like a tribute to [http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Nanoha_Takamachi Nanoha], as they both tend to "befriend" their opponents with superior firepower.--><br />
*When playing Yukari's story mode in ''[[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]]'', Reimu breaks down in tears in the ending after Yukari defeats [[Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi]] and reduces the Hakurei Shrine to rubble for the second time, with [[Sakuya Izayoi|Sakuya]] and [[Youmu Konpaku|Youmu]] looking on helplessly (although Suika offers to help rebuild it). This marks the first and only time where she is seen crying in a storyline scenario.<br />
*The shrine maiden at the end of ''[[Dolls in Pseudo Paradise]]'' is probably Reimu. She has Reimu's title, "Shrine Maiden of Paradise" (and her personality), and according to [[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red/Music Columns|''Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Music Column]], the shrine maiden in the song that accompanies the ending section is Reimu (so basically, this shrine maiden has Reimu's song and title). However, only the shrine maiden at the end is referred to as the shrine maiden of paradise. Thus it is possible that the shrine maiden seen in the first half of the story is a different person altogether.<br />
*A "13th Shrine Maiden" signs off the Gensokyo Record in [[Perfect Cherry Blossom/Story/Prologue|''Perfect Cherry Blossom'''s prologue]]. [[ZUN]] has stated in [[ZUN's E-mails|an e-mail]] that the Gensokyo Record is unreliable (for one thing, the writing style of each section shows it was written by a different person each time), thus "there is a high possibility that Reimu is not the 13th Hakurei shrine maiden." (technically, this also means there is no proof that the person who wrote that section of the record is a shrine maiden at all). <br />
*It is shown in ''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]'' that the shrine sometimes gets various donations (including wine) from unknown sources (implied to be from the [[Outside World|outside world]], as the [[Hakurei Shrine]] lies on the border) and Yukari is shown in ''Oriental Sacred Place'' to sneak yen donations into the offering box when Reimu isn't looking.<br />
*Although Reimu has successfully resolved the incidents in each major Touhou game, it's possible that her win rate throughout the actual events of the games was not 100%. ''Perfect Memento in Strict Sense'' states that Reimu likes to request rematches until she finally wins. In essence, Reimu apparently has had to use a few continues every once in a while, but she still manages to get a good ending.<br />
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==Fandom==<br />
Reimu turns out to be a widely popular character among the fanbase. She is usually chosen as the playable character on a lot of [[fangames]], or at least appears on a high number of fangames. Unlike most characters, Reimu has been compared to a lot of characters, especially some of the cast from the ''[[Seihou Project]]''. Although Reimu is known to be the same character as her [[PC-98]] form, some fans still depict both versions as different people, sometimes even been next to each other.<br />
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Reimu in most fangames is often a middling character better used for healing/buffing than offense. Perhaps this is done in protest to her "overpowered heroine" status in the canon.<br />
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;Destitute<br />
In ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'', it has been said that pretty much nobody goes to the shrine. Thus, it has been a common interpretation that she gets 0 donations. Due to this, she is called {{nihongo|貧乏巫女||Binbou miko|lit. "[[wiktionary:Destitute|destitute]] shrine maiden"}}. As a side effect, she is also frequently portrayed by fans as being greedy or obsessed with getting money.<br />
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;Armpits as a necessity<br />
Because of how she dresses in the [[Windows]] Touhou games, her exposed armpits are sometimes a target for jokes and memes. Due to this, she is commonly called {{nihongo|"waki miko"|腋巫女||lit. "armpit miko"}}. Upon hiding her armpits, anyone would notice at once, and before her back, chest, or feet, her armpits are always the first thing appealed to.<br />
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;Heretic<br />
Other than the idea that "money is dirty" related to the "destitute" meme, in canon her personality is comparatively severe (in youkai extermination, she has no mercy), so she is sometimes called "Yakuza miko". Furthermore, upon facing off with [[Watatsuki no Toyohime]] in ''[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]'', she used the words, "if one doesn't shoot down and slay without one remaining, if there is impurity on the moon, then danmaku shall be scattered," said to be a little severe and without mercy, so she occasionally does not spare using unfair measures.<br />
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;Zombie Reimu<br />
The drastic change in the color of Reimu's skin tone over the course of the [[Windows]] games (most noticeable in ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'', in which her skin appears yellowish and almost jaundiced) raised eyebrows and led to a number of jokes and dubious theories, the most common of which is that she is actually an undead [[zombie]].<br />
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;Miscellaneous<br />
*'''Taoreimu, Dareimu, etc.''': a defeated Reimu is sometimes called "Taoreimu" (from {{lang|ja|倒れる}}), a hit Reimu is sometimes called "Dareimu" (from {{lang|ja|打}}), and an angry Reimu is sometimes called "Buchigireimu (from {{lang|ja|ぶち切れる}}), thus giving her shiritori-like names.<br />
*'''Concerning the god enshrined at the shrine''': Rinnosuke knows who the god enshrined at the shrine is. However, since Reimu is completely uninterested in whatever god is enshrined, he did not say at all. Because of this, it has been fanon to interpret this to mean that the enshrined god is [[Mima]], [[Gensokyo]] itself, etc.<br />
*'''Oni Miko''': When she shows her true strength, she becomes "Oni Miko" ({{lang|ja|鬼巫女}}).<br />
*'''Flight on Genji''': Although Reimu is able to fly independently, she is still shown in a number of fanworks to still be sitting on [[Genjii]], presumably either to be a show off or to have "extra power". The most notable fanwork to feature this is ''[[Touhou Soccer Moushuuden]]''.<br />
*'''JoJo association''': In the trend of JoJo associations, it appears Reimu is paired with Josuke Higashikata, the reason here being that Josuke's name has the characters for Touhou in it ({{lang|ja|東方仗助}} for Josuke, {{lang|ja|東方}} for Touhou) although, personality-wise, he could be more similar to Marisa.<br />
*'''Silent Reimu''': Sora No Amagumo has made a comic series most centered around Reimu with a few major changes: She's a silent, kind, adorable girl, a contrast from the more common surly Reimus out there. This rendition is pretty popular on both sides of the fandom.<br />
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==Official Profiles==<br />
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| image =[[File:Th01Reimu.png|200px|Reimu Hakurei]]<br />
| text = ★ 主人公 ・・・ 博麗 靈夢<br /><br /> 博麗神社の巫女、生まれ付き霊力はあるが修業不足。武器は最強の<br /> 陰陽玉だが、思うように操れずよく振り回される。<br /> それでも霊力があるので、かなりの腕前。<br /> お札による攻撃と、霊力の放出による‘霊撃’、体術。など今回の敵<br /> に対して無効だったので、ちょっと困りもん。<br /> 現在、この神社は彼女一人でもっている。<br />
| translation ='''Heroine, Reimu Hakurei'''<br /><br />
[[Shrine maiden]] of the [[Hakurei Shrine]], She has some spirit-power by nature, but lacks training. Her weapon is the mighty [[Yin-Yang orb]], but her control is somewhat unstable.<br /><br />
But anyway, with her spirit-power, she got quite some skills.<br /><br />
Her usual attacks -namely amulet-attacks, spirit-power discharging (霊撃 -Spirit strike-), melee skills- are useless to current enemies. She's in some trouble.<br /><br />
Currently, she is the only person in the shrine.<br />
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| text = ★ 主人公 ・・・ 博麗 靈夢<br /><br /> 博麗神社の巫女、生まれ付き霊力はあるが修業不足。お札による攻撃と、霊力の放出による‘霊撃’。それに、‘陰陽玉’の力で妖怪を退治している。<br /><br />
性格は楽天家で、今回の様な非常時でも全然心配などしておらず、自分の霊力で何とかなると思っている。<br /><br />
<br /> 今回は、(なぜか)亀に乗ってたたかう。<br />
| translation ='''Heroine<br>Reimu Hakurei'''<br /><br />
A [[shrine maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine]], who possesses natural-born spiritual power but lacks training. She exterminates [[youkai]] by attacking with amulets, firing her spiritual power called ''Spiritual Attack'' and releasing the power of ''[[Yin-yang Orb]]''.<br /><br />
She is such an optimist that she doesn't worry at all even in this emergency, and believes she can solve all incidents with her power.<br /><br />
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This time, she (somehow) fights riding on the turtle.<br />
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| text = ★ 夢と伝統を保守する巫女 ・・・ 博麗 靈夢<br /><br /> 博麗神社の巫女、生まれ付き霊力はあるが修業不足。お札による攻撃と、霊力の放出による‘霊撃’。それに、‘陰陽玉’の力で妖怪を退治している。<br /><br />
性格は楽天家である。靈夢の周りでは変なことが色々起こるが、本人はそれを楽しんでいる。<br /><br />
例によって、(なぜか)亀に乗ってたたかう。<br /><br />
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今回もいかがわしいと思いつつ、ついわくわくしてしまう。<br />
| translation = '''Shrine Maiden who Protects Dream and Tradition<br>Reimu Hakurei'''<br><br />
A [[shrine maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine]], who has the natural-born spiritual power and lacks training. She exterminates [[youkai]] by attacking with amulets, firing her spiritual power called ''Spiritual Attack'' and releasing the power of ''[[Yin-yang Orb]]''.<br><br />
She's an optimist. She faces some strange incidents, but still she enjoys them.<br><br />
As usual, she (somehow) fights riding on the turtle.<br><br />
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This time, she feels somewhat suspicious, yet she's excited about the incident.<br />
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| image =[[File:Th04Reimu.png|200px|Reimu Hakurei]]<br />
| text = ★ 夢と伝統を保守する巫女 ・・・ 博麗 靈夢<br /><br /><br />
博麗神社の巫女、生まれ付き霊力はあるが修業不足。お札による攻撃と、霊力の放出による‘霊撃’。それに、‘陰陽玉’の力で妖怪を退治している。<br /><br />
性格は楽天家である。靈夢の周りでは変なことが色々起こるが、本人はそれを楽しんでいる。<br /><br />
ちょっと感情的で単純なので、よく魔理沙におちょくられている。<br />
| translation = '''Shrine Maiden who Protects Dream and Tradition<br>Reimu Hakurei'''<br><br />
The [[shrine maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine]], who possesses natural-born spiritual power but lacks training. She exterminates [[youkai]] by attacking them with amulets, firing her spiritual power in a ''Spiritual Attack'' and releasing the power of the ''[[Yin-yang Orb]]''.<br><br />
She's an optimist. She faces some strange incidents, but still she enjoys them.<br><br />
Due to her slightly emotional and simple character, she's always made fun of by [[Marisa Kirisame|Marisa]].<br />
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{{Profile Quote<br />
| image =[[File:Th05Reimu.png|Reimu Hakurei]]<br />
| text = 博麗 靈夢(はくれいれいむ) ・・ 巫女さん<br /><br /> 博麗神社の巫女、生まれ付き霊力はあるが修業不足。お札による攻撃と、霊力の放出による‘霊撃’。それに、‘陰陽玉’の力で妖怪を退治している。<br /><br />
性格は楽天家である。靈夢の周りでは変なことが色々起こるが、本人はそれを楽しんでいる。<br /><br />
ちょっと感情的で単純なので、よく魔理沙におちょくられている。<br />
| translation = '''Shrine Maiden<br />Reimu Hakurei'''<br /><br />
A [[shrine maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine]], who possesses natural-born spiritual power but lacks training. She exterminates [[youkai]] by attacking them with amulets, firing her spiritual power in a ''Spiritual Attack'' and releasing the power of the ''Yin-yang Orb''.<br><br />
She's an optimist. She faces some strange incidents, but still she enjoys them.<br><br />
Because of her slightly emotional and simple character, she's often made fun of by [[Marisa Kirisame|Marisa]].<br />
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| text = ・永遠の巫女 博麗 霊夢(ハクレイ レイム)<br/><br />
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博麗神社の巫女さん。才能はあるが修行不足。もともと修行は好きでない。強力な霊力でいままで幾多の魔法使い、悪霊、妖怪、そして神と闘ってきたらしい(理由、なんとなく)<br/><br />
いつも何か変な事に巻き込まれてしまうが、その半分は陰で魔理沙が引き起こしているらしい。霊夢は気づかないふりをしている。そんな魔理沙をしょうがない奴と考えている。<br/><br />
| translation = '''Eternal Shrine Maiden<br>Reimu Hakurei'''<br><br />
The [[shrine maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine]]. Talented, but lacks training. Basically, she doesn't like to train. They say she has fought plenty of [[magician]]s, evil spirits, [[youkai]] and even gods with her strong spiritual power (for no particular reason).<br><br />
She's always involved in some strange affairs, though she seems to be dragged into most of them due to [[Marisa Kirisame|Marisa]]. Reimu pretends not to notice this. She sees Marisa as essentially a hopeless case.<br />
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| text = ○永遠の巫女 博麗 霊夢(ハクレイレイム) <br/><br />
博麗神社の巫女さんで主人公。のんびりしてるようで、実にのんびりしてる。<br/><br />
人がほとんどこなくなった神社に住んでいて、本人は世間離れしすぎている。<br/><br />
本人は降りかかる火の粉を払っているだけなのだが、結果としてそれは、幻想郷の住人が人里に行かないように、また人間が幻想郷に迷い込まないように、という役目になっているらしい。<br/><br />
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武器は御札と陰陽玉。あとは、空を飛ぶ程度の能力を持つ。<br/><br />
| translation = '''Eternal Shrine Maiden'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br/><br />
[[Shrine maiden]] of the [[Hakurei Shrine]], and protagonist of the [[Touhou]] series. She appears quite carefree on the outside, and indeed deep down, she really is carefree. She lives in her shrine and is rarely visited by anyone, which causes her to be out of touch with current social norms. Even though she only extinguished certain sparks of conflict because they seemed to befall her without warning, her actions have generally resulted in preventing the residents of [[Gensokyo]] from visiting [[human]] settlements, and keeping outsiders away from wandering into Gensokyo.<br />
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Charms and the yin-yang orb are her weapons. Additionally, she has the ability to fly in the air.<br />
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| text = ○永遠の巫女<br /> 博麗 霊夢(はくれい・れいむ)<br /><br /> 能力:空を飛ぶ程度の能力、霊気を操る程度の能力<br /><br /><br /> 主人公です。<br /><br /> 時間的な流れでは前作から大して経ってなく、年齢も変化ありません。<br /><br /> 意味も無く巫女さんです。というか東方は巫女さんSTGなんで巫女さ<br /> んです。本末転倒気味。<br /> 今回の衣装は巫女さんらしいゴテゴテ感もなく、非常にシンプルな上に<br /> 巫女さんっぽくないです。本当に巫女さんなんでしょうか?<br /><br /> まさに「そこの紅白」って感じです。<br />
| translation = '''Eternal Shrine Maiden'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
Abilities: Flying in the air, manipulating auras<br />
<br />
The protagonist.<br />
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Chronologically, this title is not too far from the previous title, thus her age stays the same as before.<br />
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Unintentionally, she is a [[shrine maiden]]. Or rather, she is a shrine maiden only because the [[Touhou]] series has become the "Shrine Maiden [[Shooting game|Shooting Game]]" series. It feels like the cart has been placed before the horse to me.<br/><br />
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This time, her outfit is not overly intricate like typical [[shrine maiden]] clothing, but has become quite simple and only remotely resembles that of a shrine maiden. Is she really a shrine maiden?<br />
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She's more like "You, red-white!" in my opinion.<br/><br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Perfect Cherry Blossom]] - Manual|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
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| text = ○楽園の素敵な巫女 博麗 霊夢(はくれいれいむ) <br/><br />
博麗神社の巫女さんで主人公。頭が普通そうだが、実は春満開。<br/><br />
神社は常に妖怪が跋扈していて、霊夢も妖怪達に馴染まれている。<br/><br />
割と巫女としての機能を持ち合わせていない。<br/><br />
修行嫌いでもちろん修行不足のため、そこそこの腕前である。<br/><br />
全ての物事に対し、一生懸命取り組むことを嫌う。<br/><br />
努力が報われることなど信じていないからである。<br/><br />
その為、博麗神社のおみくじには末吉はない。<br/><br />
<br/><br />
武器は御札と陰陽玉。あとは、空を飛ぶ程度の能力を持つ。<br/><br />
<br/><br />
当たり判定が小さく、低速移動も非常<br/><br />
に精度が良い。<br/><br />
霊符の「博麗アミュレット」は使い勝手<br/><br />
が良い。弾避けに専念するための武器。<br/><br />
一方、夢符の「エクスターミネイション」<br/><br />
は最高クラスの破壊力を持つ。<br/><br />
ボスを瞬殺出来るが、ボムの無敵時間<br/><br />
は全キャラ中最短。攻撃範囲も威力も<br/><br />
無い。<br/><br />
| translation = '''Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise, Reimu Hakurei'''<br/><br />
[[Hakurei Shrine]]'s [[shrine maiden]], and the protagonist. Her mind might appear normal, but in fact it is full of spring thoughts.<br/><br />
The shrine is always haunted by [[youkai]], and they are very friendly to Reimu as well.<br/><br />
She is hardly performing the role of a shrine maiden at this point.<br/><br />
She hates training, and because of this, lacks ability. So her skill is quite so-so.<br/><br />
She hates to do her very best at anything that falls upon her.<br/><br />
That is because she does not believe that effort will be rewarded.<br/><br />
Because of that, the [[Hakurei Shrine]]'s paper fortune doesn't have "末吉(Least luck)"<br/><br />
''[Typically, a shrine's paper fortune has 大吉 (Best luck) / 中吉 (Medium luck) / 小吉 (Little luck) / 末吉 (Least luck) / 凶 (Misfortune) / 大凶 (Worst misfortune). 末吉 is usually interpreted as "You will get exactly as your effort"]''<br />
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Charms and the yin-yang orb are her weapons. Additionally, she has the ability to fly in the air.<br />
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:She has a smaller [[hit box]], and her focused movement allows player to dodge very precisely.<br />
:Spirit Sign's "Hakurei Amulet" is quite easy to use. It allows you to focus on dodging bullets.<br />
:On the other hand, Dream Sign's "Extermination" wields destructive power of the highest class.<br />
:Bosses are killed quickly, but the invincibility duration of her bombs is the shortest of all characters. It is also lacking in both effective radius and damage.<br />
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| text = ○楽園の素敵な巫女<br /><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれいれいむ)<br /><br />
<br /><br />
主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力を持つ。<br /><br />
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基本的に巫女さん。幻想郷の境にある博麗神社の巫女さん。博麗神社自体は、幻想郷と人間界の両方に位置する。<br /><br />
・・<br /> その境が博麗神社境内である。どちらからみても、人里離れた山奥に存在し、大きさもさほど無いし、御利益もゆかりも何も無い小さな神社なので、どのみち参拝客は殆ど来ない。<br /><br />
この神社の中では、殆どの結界は無効化される。それだけ、幻想郷と人間界の境、博麗大結界の力は大きいのである。<br /><br />
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幻想郷で唯一、博麗の者だけが規律を持つ。その為、霊夢は一応制服のような物を着用している(他にも規律はあるはずなのだが・・・)紅白の服を着て、幻想郷の端っこから、幻想郷の空を見つめつつ、お茶でも飲むのが日課である。<br /><br />
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元々、霊夢は不思議な力を色々使えるが、それを活用したり自慢したりはしない。すべては在るがままに、である。<br />
| translation = '''Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
She possess the ability to mainly fly in the air.<br />
<br />
Basically, she is a [[shrine maiden]]. The shrine maiden of [[Hakurei Shrine]], which is located on the boundary of [[Gensokyo]].<br/><br />
The Hakurei Shrine exists in both Gensokyo and the world of [[human]]s at the same time.<br/><br />
The boundary is the home territory of the Hakurei Shrine. From both sides, it is located at a very remote place from human villages, and is also kind of small, and has no known history or benefits. So it's no wonder that it rarely gets any visitors.<br/><br />
Inside the shrine, almost all foreign boundaries will be nullified. That alone should say that the Hakurei Boundary, the boundary between Gensokyo and the world of humans, is amazingly powerful.<br />
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Only those of the Hakurei have rules to follow in [[Gensokyo]]. Therefore, Reimu always wears clothes that is apparently some kind of uniform (she is supposed to have ''many'' other rules too, though...). Her daily routine consists of wearing red-white, staring at Gensokyo's sky from the edge of Gensokyo, and drinking tea.<br />
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By nature, Reimu can use various mysterious powers, but she does not use them to boast about them. Everything is, as is, after all.<br />
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| text = ○楽園の素敵な巫女<br/><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれいれいむ)<br/><br />
<br/><br />
種族:人間<br/><br />
住処:博麗神社<br/><br />
能力:空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br/><br />
<br/><br />
いつもの博麗神社の巫女さん。何も考えずその場のノリで毎日を生きている。巫女さんらしい行動といえば、縁側でお茶を飲んで日和る位。<br/><br />
<br/><br />
非常に単純な思考の持ち主で、怒る時は怒り、笑う時は笑う。裏表のない性格は、人間妖怪問わず惹き付ける。その為、神社はいつも色んな者が集まるのである。<br/><br />
<br/><br />
体術にしても妖術にしても、修行は不足気味(というか殆どしない)だが、余りある天性のセンスでカバーしていて、もの凄く強い。それはもう、人とは思えない位に。ワープしていたり、ホーミングしていたりするが、本人はまっすぐ動いているつもり。ずるい巫女さん。<br/><br />
| translation = '''Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
Species: [[Human]]<br/><br />
Location: [[Hakurei Shrine]]<br/><br />
Ability: Flying in the air<br />
<br />
A typical [[shrine maiden]] from Hakurei Shrine. She always lives on ideas off the top of her head, and doesn't consider something seriously. The only thing she does that actually resembles a shrine maiden's duties is enjoying tea and life on the veranda.<br />
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She is quite simple-minded, thus when she's angry she's angry, and when she smiles she smiles. Her open personality makes her well-liked by both [[human]]s and [[youkai]]. Due to that, many people stay close to the shrine.<br />
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She lacks training in both melee and spells (or rather, she rarely does them), but she covers that up with the numerous talents she's born with. So she's quite tough, enough to make you wonder if she's really a human. While she warps or uses guided shots, it's all straight from her perspective. What a mean shrine maiden.<br />
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| text = ○楽園の素敵な巫女 博麗 霊夢(はくれいれいむ) <br/><br />
博麗神社の巫女さん。<br/><br />
境界に住む人間。空を飛ぶ程度の能力を持つ。<br />
<br />
幻想郷の境にある(恐らく)由緒正しき博麗神社の巫女さん。<br/><br />
感情的で騒々しく、どんな場所でも存在感があるのだが、すぐに馴染む。<br/><br />
彼女の能力は空を飛ぶこと、つまり無重力。<br/><br />
地球の重力も、如何なる重圧も、力による脅しも、彼女には全く意味が無い。<br/><br />
身も心も、幻想の宙をふわふわと漂う不思議な巫女である。<br/><br />
相手がどんなに強大だとしても、彼女の前では意味をなさない。<br/><br />
相手の肩書きを平坦化する彼女は、時として人間、妖怪、種族を選ばず惹きつける事もある。<br/><br />
<br/><br />
武器は御札と陰陽玉。虫にも刺されやすい。<br/><br />
<br/><br />
備考 <br/><br />
今回は八雲紫と組む。<br/><br />
低速移動は単独使用時のみの性能である。<br/><br />
威力が若干劣る事もあるが基本的に使い<br/><br />
やすく、敵の場所を覚える必要も少ない。<br/><br />
かなり(雑魚に対しては特に)強い。<br/><br />
一言で言えば、卑怯。<br/><br />
| translation = '''Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise, Reimu Hakurei'''<br/><br />
[[Hakurei Shrine]]'s [[Shrine Maiden]].<br/><br />
A [[human]] that lives on the boundary. She has the ability to fly in the air.<br />
<br />
She is the shrine maiden of the [[Hakurei Shrine]], which is located at the edge of [[Gensokyo]] and (possibly) has ancient and honourable origins.<br/><br />
She is emotional and noisy, and has a presence wherever she is, but she merges into her surroundings quite easily.<br/><br />
Her ability is being able to fly, that is, being weightless.<br/><br />
The gravity of Earth, any level of stress, and threats of power all mean nothing to her.<br/><br />
Both her mind and body float in the sky of fantasy, a mysterious [[Shrine Maiden|shrine maiden]].<br/><br />
However powerful the opponent is, that means nothing in her presence.<br/><br />
As she evens out whatever status one has, she tends to attract anyone regardless of species, [[human]] or [[youkai]].<br />
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Her weapons are amulets and a [[Yin-Yang orb]]. She is also preferred by mosquitoes.<br />
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:''Notes''<br />
:She teams with [[Yukari Yakumo|Yukari]] this time.<br />
:Focused speed only applies when she is used as a solo character.<br />
:She lacks a bit in damage, but is quite easy to use and doesn't need much memorization.<br />
:She is quite strong, especially against smaller enemies.<br />
:In a word, dastardly.<br />
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| text = ○楽園の素敵な巫女<br /><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれい れいむ)<br /><br />
Reimu Hakurei<br /><br />
<br /><br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br /><br />
<br /><br />
<br /><br />
毎度お馴染みの巫女さん。幻想郷の境にある博麗神社の巫女さん。<br /><br />
博麗神社自体は、幻想郷と人間界の両方に位置する。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
何者に対しても平等に見る性格は、妖怪の様な普段畏れられている者からも好かれる。逆にいうと、誰に対しても仲間として見ない。周りに沢山人間や妖怪が居たり、一緒に行動を行っても、常に自分一人である。実は冷たい人間なのかも知れない。<br />
| translation = '''Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
Species: [[Human]]<br/><br />
Ability: Mainly flying in the air<br />
<br />
As usual, the [[shrine maiden]] you all know. She lives in the [[Hakurei Shrine]] located at the boundary that separates [[Gensokyo]] from the outer world. The shrine simultaneously exists in both worlds.<br />
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She treats everyone fairly and equally, which makes her well-liked by even the most terrifying [[youkai]]. On the flip side, she does not anyone as a comrade. Since there are a great number of humans and youkai around her, there are instances where she works together with someone else, but even so, she usually does things by herself alone. <br />
She might just truly be a cold-hearted kind of human...<br />
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| text = ○4面ボス 楽園の素敵な巫女<br /><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれい れいむ)<br /><br />
Reimu Hakurei<br /><br />
<br /><br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br /><br />
<br /><br />
毎度お馴染みの巫女さん。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
普通に寝ていたが幾ら寝ても夜が明けない。幾らなんでもこれは異常すぎると思って、神社を飛び出してきた。夜中の出動は珍しくないが、十分すぎるほど睡眠を取った後の夜中の出動は珍しい。でもこの暗さはなんとなく眠く感じるものである。この騒動に決着がついたら、また一眠りしよう、と考えながら強い妖気を目指して竹林まで来たのだが、そこで見た犯人は良く見知った人間と妖怪だった。<br />
| translation = '''Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
Species: [[Human]]<br/><br />
Ability: Flying in the air<br />
<br />
As usual, the [[shrine maiden]] you all know.<br />
<br />
The morning that she was expecting to see after a full night's sleep did not greet her. She thought that something very strange was going on, so she left the shrine to investigate. It's not unusual for her to go out at night, but going out at midnight just after having taken a full night's rest was most unusual. Anyway, nights always make her sleepy, so she'll be going back to bed once the issue is resolved. She followed a trail of power into a bamboo forest, and what she found were very familiar faces...<br />
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| text = ○楽園の素敵な巫女 博麗 霊夢(はくれいれいむ)<br/><br />
博麗神社の巫女さん。<br/><br />
境界に住む人間。空を飛ぶ程度の能力を持つ。<br/><br />
のんきなのか何も考えていないのか、そういう巫女さん。<br/><br />
異変が起こるとすぐに駆けつけ解決しようとするが、彼女の周りには異変が絶えない。<br/><br />
むしろ、異変を呼び込んでいるのではと疑わしい。<br/><br />
| translation = '''Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
The [[Shrine Maiden]] of [[Hakurei Shrine]].<br><br />
A [[human]] living at the boundary. She possesses the ability to fly in the air.<br><br />
She's the kind of shrine maiden that is ever-so-carefree and doesn't think about anything.<br><br />
Whenever a disturbance occurs, she would immediately rush to resolve it. Nevertheless, she would never manage to rid herself of all disturbances around her.<br><br />
Rather, it might be the case that she attracts disturbances to herself.<br />
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| text = ○楽園の素敵な巫女<br /><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれい れいむ)<br /><br />
Hakurei Reimu<br /><br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br /><br />
<br /><br />
<br /><br />
毎度お馴染みの巫女さん。幻想郷の境にある博麗神社の巫女さん。博麗神社自体は、幻想郷と人間界の両方に位置する。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
いつも異変は勘で解決できる彼女だが、何故か花の異変は全く見当が付かなかった。<br /><br />
今回の様なプレイヤーが多いゲームだと、何が主人公なのか判らなくなってしまう。でも、霊夢だけは目立たなくても主人公っぽいのは何故だろうか。<br />
| translation = '''Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br/><br />
<br/><br />
Race: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Flying in the air<br/><br />
<br/><br />
The [[Shrine Maiden|miko]] we are all familiar with. She's the miko of [[Hakurei Shrine]], located on the boundary of Gensokyo.<br/><br />
<br/><br />
She has always been able to bring incidents to closure with her intuitions, but she hasn't the slightest idea of the cause of this flower incident.<br/><br />
In multiplayer games such as this installment of the Touhou Series, it's hard to pinpoint which character is the main character. However, even though Reimu doesn't stand out at all, why does she always look like one?<br />
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| text = ○楽園の巫女<br /><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれい れいむ)<br /><br />
Hakurei Reimu<br /><br />
<br /><br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br /><br />
<br /><br />
<br /><br />
毎度お馴染みの巫女さん。博麗神社の巫女さん。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
何者に対しても平等に見る性格である。ただ、仕事は妖怪退治である為、妖怪に対しては厳しいポーズを取っているが、実際は人間にも妖怪にもさほど興味はない。<br /><br />
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ただ、今回は神様を巡っての騒動である。神様の代弁者としても、ただの妖怪退治とは勝手が違って、戸惑い気味。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
攻撃性能は、全体的に無難な挙動で安定感のある装備となっています。<br />
| translation = '''The Shrine Maiden of Paradise - Reimu Hakurei'''<br/><br />
The now-familiar shrine maiden of the Hakurei Shrine.<br/><br />
<br/><br />
She treats everyone basically the same way. However, since her job is hunting [[youkai]], she takes a fairly strict stance against youkai, but she's actually equally uninterested in humans and youkai.<br/><br />
<br/><br />
This time, there's a conspiracy surrounding her gods. She may be their spokesperson, but her circumstances as a youkai hunter are different, so she feels a bit lost.<br/><br />
<br/><br />
Her weapons are amulets and yin-yang balls. Her piety seems light.<br/><br />
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Her fighting style generally relies on equipment that lends a sense of stability.<br />
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| text = 博麗 霊夢<br />種族 : 人間<br />職業 : 巫女さん<br />住家 : 博麗神社<br />能力 : 空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br />性格 : 呑気で感情豊か。浮世離れしている。<br />
| translation = ''Shrine Maiden of Paradise''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
<br />
Race: Human<br />
<br />
Occupation: Shrine Maiden<br />
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Place of residence: Hakurei Shrine<br />
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Ability: Flying in the air.<br />
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Personality: Carefree and sentimental. Not too attached to the world of the living.<br />
}}<br />
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{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th11Reimu.png|200px|Reimu Hakurei SA]]<br />
| text = ○楽園の巫女<br /><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれい れいむ)<br /><br />
Hakurei Reimu<br /><br />
<br /><br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br /><br />
<br /><br />
<br /><br />
毎度お馴染みの巫女さん。博麗神社の巫女さん。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
何者に対しても平等に見る性格である。ただ、仕事は妖怪退治である為、妖怪に対しては厳しいポーズを取っているが、実際は人間にも妖怪にもさほど興味はない。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
地底よりは高いところの方が好き。<br />
| translation = '''The Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Flying in the air.<br />
<br />
The now-familiar shrine maiden of the Hakurei Shrine.<br />
<br />
She treats everyone the same. However, since her job is youkai-hunting, she acts particularly strict with youkai, but she doesn't really care much about humans or youkai.<br />
<br />
She prefers high places compared to the underground.<br />
}}<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Undefined Fantastic Object]] - {{lang|ja|キャラ設定とエキストラストーリー}}.txt|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th12Reimu.png|200px|Reimu Hakurei UFO]]<br />
| text = ○楽園の巫女<br /><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれい れいむ)<br /><br />
Hakurei Reimu<br /><br />
<br /><br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br /><br />
<br /><br />
<br /><br />
毎度お馴染みの巫女さん。博麗神社の巫女さん。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
何者に対しても平等に見る性格である。ただ、仕事は妖怪退治である為、妖怪に対しては厳しいポーズを取っているが、実際は人間にも妖怪にもさほど興味はない。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
宝船と言えば七福神。神様と言えば彼女の出番と思っているが、七福神の殆どが日本の神様ではない。本当の目的は金銀財宝。<br />
| translation = '''The Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Flying in the air<br />
<br />
The now-familiar shrine maiden of the Hakurei Shrine.<br />
<br />
She treats everyone the same. However, since her job is youkai-hunting, she acts particularly strict with youkai, but she doesn't really care much about humans or youkai.<br />
<br />
Where there's a treasure ship, there has to be the seven gods of luck. She figures that where any gods are involved, it's a job for her, but most of the seven gods of luck are not Japanese gods. Her true goal is the treasure.<br />
}}<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[Wild and Horned Hermit]] official website|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:WaHHReimu.jpg|Reimu Hakurei]]<br />
| text = 博麗霊夢<br/>自由奔放な人間<br />
おなじみ博麗神社の巫女さん。神<br/>社に参拝客が増えないか、今日も<br/>思案中の様である。欲の塊という<br/>わけではなく、基本は天衣無縫な<br/>人柄。人間にも妖怪にも分け隔て<br/>ない。<br />
| translation = Reimu Hakurei<br />
The freewheeling human<br />
<br />
The shrine maiden of the Hakurei shrine.<br />
She appears pondering, like every other day, of how to get more visitors of her shrine.<br />
It's not that she's a clump of greed, but that she's only acting natural.<br />
She doesn't differentiate between humans and youkai.<br />
}}<br />
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{{Profile Quote |<br />
| image = [[File:Th13Reimu.png|200px|Reimu Hakurei TD]]<br />
| text = ○楽園の巫女<br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれい れいむ)<br />
Hakurei Reimu<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br />
<br />
毎度お馴染みの巫女さん。博麗神社の巫女さん。<br />
<br />
何者に対しても平等に見る性格である。ただ、仕事は妖怪退治である為、妖怪に対しては厳しいポーズを取っているが、実際は人間にも妖怪にもさほど興味はない。<br />
<br />
神霊にしちゃあ随分とちゃちで雑多な霊に何らかの危機感を感じ、調査に出かける。放って置いて何か起きた時に神社の所為だと思われると困る。<br />
| translation = '''The Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Flying in the air<br />
<br />
The now-familiar shrine maiden of the Hakurei Shrine.<br />
<br />
She treats everyone the same. However, since her job is youkai-hunting, she acts particularly strict with youkai, but she doesn't really care much about humans or youkai.<br />
<br />
She goes off to investigate after being alerted by the odd divine spirits, that seemed far too shabby and numerous than they should. It would be troublesome if she just left them alone and something happened, in which event her shrine would be blamed.<br />
}}<br />
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{{hidden begin|title = [[LORD of VERMILION]] - Card text|titlestyle = background:lightblue;text-align:center}}<br />
{{Profile Quote<br />
| text ='''DATA'''<br /><br />
<br /><br />
職業:巫女さん<br /><br />
出身地:幻想郷<br /><br />
住処:博麗神社<br /><br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br /><br />
趣味:宴会<br /><br />
最近の夢:妖怪の殲滅<br /><br />
<br /><br />
'''フレーバーテキスト'''<br /><br />
<br /><br />
遙か東の国の人里離れた山の中。<br/><br />
幻想郷が妖怪の作った結界により外界と隔離されて久しい。<br/><br />
そこにはこの世から忘れたれた物、不要になった物が集まっ<br/><br />
ていた。その性質で幻想郷は妖怪の楽園となる筈だった。<br/><br />
妖怪退治を生業とする博麗霊夢も幻想郷に住む一人である。<br/><br />
「え? 何これインタビュー?<br/><br />
何か言わないといけないの? というかあんた誰?」<br />
| translation = '''DATA'''<br/><br />
<br /><br />
Occupation: Miko-san<br /><br />
Birthplace: Gensokyo<br/><br />
Residence: Hakurei Shrine<br /><br />
Ability: The Ability to Float<br /><br />
Hobby: Feasts<br /><br />
Recent Dream: The Annihilation of Youkai<br /><br />
<br /><br />
'''Flavor Text'''<br /><br />
<br /><br />
It was there, within the mountain distance away from the human village, in the far off country in the East—Gensokyo. It has been a while since it was separated from the outside world by the Barrier, which the youkai made.<br/><br />
Things that were forgotten from this world, things that were no longer needed, have been gathered around at the place. Due to such nature, Gensokyo should have become a paradise for the youkai.<br/><br />
Reimu Hakurei is too, one of the people residing in Gensokyo, who makes her living by exterminating youkai.<br/><br />
"Huh? What's this, an interview?<br/><br />
Do I have to say something? I mean, who are you anyway?"<br />
}}<br />
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{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th135Reimu.png|200px|Reimu Hakurei HM]]<br />
| text =八百万の代弁者 博麗霊夢<br />
<br />
普段は大人しい人間もいつも元気な妖怪も、<br/><br />
皆一様に興奮しているように見える。<br/><br />
彼らが血気盛んな理由はただ一つ。<br/><br />
これから巫女とそのライバルによる決闘が 行われるというのだ。<br/><br />
この闘いに勝って人気を不動の物とせよ!<br />
<br />
特技 万有霊力の法則<br />
<br />
霊力ゲージが他のキャラより長くなっており、<br/><br />
霊力最大値がアップします。<br/><br />
射撃攻撃や必殺技をより多く使用でき、<br/><br />
攻撃をガードして多少霊力を減らされても余裕が出ます。<br />
<br />
ラストワード 夢想天生<br />
<br />
構えを取って相手の打撃を受け止めて隙を作り、<br/><br />
大量のお札で包囲して圧殺する霊夢の最終奥義です。<br/><br />
0距離であれば問答無用にガード不能で発動するため、<br/><br />
カウンターを恐れて萎縮する相手を突き崩すことも容易です。<br />
| translation ='''The Advocate of the Myriad Gods, Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
The normally calm humans and the always-energetic youkai<br/><br />
are both in a state of excitement.<br/><br />
Their blood is boiling for one reason.<br/><br />
From here on, the shrine maiden and her rivals will be battling it out.<br/><br />
Emerge victorious in this battle, and acquire unwavering popularity!<br />
<br />
'''Special skill: Law of Universal Spirit Power'''<br />
<br />
Reimu's spirit power guage is longer than the other characters',<br/><br />
so her maximum spirit power is increased.<br/><br />
She can use more ranged attacks and special attacks,<br/><br />
and even if she loses some spirit power while guarding attacks, she'll still have more in supply.<br/><br />
<br />
'''Last Word: Fantasy Nature'''<br />
<br />
Reimu adopts a stance, and by taking an enemy melee attack, she creates an opening,<br/><br />
and then surrounds the enemy with massive amounts of ofuda and annihilates them in her most powerful attack.<br/><br />
If it is at point-blank range, guarding against it is impossible,<br/><br />
so it is also easy to wear down and flatten opponents fearful of the counter.<br />
}}<br />
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{{Profile Quote<br />
| image = [[File:Th14Reimu.png|200px|Reimu DDC]]<br />
| text = ○楽園の巫女<br /><br />
博麗 霊夢(はくれい れいむ)<br /><br />
Hakurei Reimu<br />
<br />
種族:人間<br /><br />
能力:主に空を飛ぶ程度の能力<br />
<br />
毎度お馴染みの巫女さん。博麗神社の巫女さん。<br />
<br />
お祓い棒と読んでいるが正式名称は大幣(おおぬさ)。<br /><br />
勝手に敵をお祓いに行くが、若干追尾速度に難があるので敵の近くま<br /><br />
で持っていって投げつけてやる方が良い。<br />
<br />
なんかお祓い棒に使われているようで釈然としないが <br />
| translation = '''The Shrine Maiden of Paradise'''<br/><br />
'''Reimu Hakurei'''<br />
<br />
Species: Human<br/><br />
Ability: Flying in the air<br />
<br />
The now-familiar shrine maiden of the Hakurei Shrine.<br />
<br />
Her weapon's called a purification rod, but its formal name is the ''oonusa''.<br/><br />
It chases enemies on its own to purify them, but since its homing speed is somewhat bad,<br/><br />
she has more success carrying it up to the enemies and then throwing it.<br />
<br />
Somehow, it doesn't seem to be very satisfactory as a purification rod.<br />
}}<br />
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==Official Sources==<br />
{{hidden begin|title = Official sources|titlestyle = background:pink; text-align:center;}}<br />
*1997/08/15 '''[[Highly Responsive to Prayers]]''' - 靈異伝.TXT<br />
*1997/08/15 '''[[Story of Eastern Wonderland]]''' - 封魔録.txt<br />
*1997/12/29 '''[[Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream]]''' - 夢時空.TXT<br />
*1998/08/14 '''[[Lotus Land Story]]''' - 幻想郷.TXT<br />
*1998/12/30 '''[[Mystic Square]]''' - 怪綺談.TXT<br />
*2002/08/11 '''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]''' - Reimu's Scenario & Extra Stage; おまけ.txt (official profile); Manual<br />
*2003/08/17 '''[[Perfect Cherry Blossom]]''' - Reimu's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定.txt (official profile); Manual<br />
*2004/08/15 '''[[Imperishable Night]]''' - Border Team's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定.txt (official profile); Manual<br />
*2004/12/30 '''[[Immaterial and Missing Power]]''' - 上海アリス通信.txt<br />
*2005/08/11 '''[[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red]]''' - [[Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red/Reimu|Article and Interview: Reimu]]<br />
*2005/08/14 '''[[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]]''' - Playable Character; キャラ設定.txt (official profile); Manual<br />
*2005/08/25 ~ 2006/03/25 '''[[Eastern and Little Nature Deity]]'''<br />
*2005/10/01 '''[[Seasonal Dream Vision/A Beautiful Flower Blooming Violet Every Sixty Years]]'''<br />
*2006/05/26 ~ 2009/01/26 '''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'''<br />
*2006/12/27 '''[[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense]]''' - [[Perfect Memento in Strict Sense/Reimu Hakurei|Shrine Maiden of Paradise: Reimu Hakurei]]<br />
*2007/06/08 ~ 2009/04/09 '''[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]'''<br />
*2007/08/17 '''[[Mountain of Faith]]''' - Reimu's Scenario & Extra Stage; Manual (official profile)<br />
*2007/10/22 '''[[Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth]]''' - Chapter 5<br />
*2008/05/25 '''[[Scarlet Weather Rhapsody]]''' - chara.html (official profile)<br />
*2008/08/16 '''[[Subterranean Animism]]''' - Reimu & Yukari/Suika/Aya's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定.txt (official profile)<br />
*2009/03/25 ~ 2009/06/25 '''[[Cage in Lunatic Runagate]]''' - Chapter 8<br />
*2009/05/26 ~ present '''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]'''<br />
*2009/07/28 '''[[The Grimoire of Marisa]]''' - [[The Grimoire of Marisa/Reimu Hakurei's Spell Cards|Reimu Hakurei's Spell Cards]]<br />
*2009/08/15 '''[[Undefined Fantastic Object]]''' - Reimu's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定とエキストラストーリー.txt (official profile)<br />
*2010/07/24 ~ present '''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]'''<br />
*2011/08/13 '''[[Ten Desires]]''' - Reimu's Scenario & Extra Stage; キャラ設定とエキストラストーリー.txt (official profile)<br />
*2012/10/26 ~ present '''[[Forbidden Scrollery]]'''<br />
*2013/05/26 - '''[[Hopeless Masquerade]]''' - Playable character<br />
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==Reimu's ability==<br />
<br />
:I have a question regarding "ability to call on the power of Gods"<br />
isn't that supposedly what all Shrine Maidens are supposedly to have as well, in that case would that not not be an ability she has but a trait of shrine maidens??<br />
:[[Special:Contributions/153.20.95.70|153.20.95.70]] 07:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)wrathie<br />
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==Point in fun facts==<br />
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:Er, point 16 of the fun facts : "Something MUGEN fans have run away with", the video has been removed on youtube and I don't very know where it lead...--[[User:Akinia|Akiro]] 09:12, 15 August 2010<br />
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==Reimu's abilities==<br />
<br />
Just wondering: has her "ability to fly/float" that she had in the first windows games been retconned, or should it be added in her main profile? Even though it's not really much of an ability in Gensokyo, her last word specifically references it. <br />
:--[[User:Spadequeen|Spadequeen]] 06:27, December 3, 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Her ability to fly is not just in the air but rather over abstract concepts as well. She overcomes the challenges in each game by flying over the improbability of her succeeding. It's a form of plot armor.<br />
--[[Special:Contributions/131.191.10.46|131.191.10.46]] 00:48, April 25, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's real deep. But no, she just "overcomes the challenges" because it's her job as a shrine maiden and as the player character. Her ability to fly is physical only.<br />
::--[[User:Song ofthe apple|Song ofthe apple]] 00:55, April 25, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Her ability is ability to the extent of flying '''in the sky'''. It is not the abstract notion of "flight."--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:08, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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What sounds better: "flying in the sky" or "flight"? The latter seems too literal of a translation, as "flight" generally implies that it is through the sky. [[User:NForza|NForza]] 04:53, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Flight {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 04:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Wrong. It excludes flying in space.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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'''Comment''' The word "sora" ({{lang|ja|空}}) does have multiple meanings - one is "sky," the other is "air." Perhaps "flying in the air" might have been better. I guess I shall make the change now.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 05:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== TH02 character images ==<br />
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The pictures for the characters in [[Story of Eastern Wonderland|TH02 - Story of Eastern Wonderland]] are very small. I've been thinking about enlarging them to double the size. It looks much better in my opinion but I want others comment before I proceed. --[[User:Svinto|Svinto]] 21:59, 04 Ferbuary 2007 (GTM+1)<br /><br />
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:Bicubic looks pretty good, try sharpening it a little though if that doesn't make it all pixelated again. -[[User:7HS|7HS]]<br />
::Have you tried hq2x/hq3x/hq4x? They tend to give unrivaled quality and sharpness for pixel-art sources like these. [[Special:Contributions/134.173.61.98|134.173.61.98]] 02:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Requesting Source==<br />
Latest edit put "Reimu invented the Spellcard Combat System." into the Fun Facts. That's a pretty big statement and one I haven't heard of before. What is the source/basis for this statement?<br />
--[[User:Psieye|Psieye]] 20:59, 7 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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:Well, if spellcards = ofuda, technically she was the first one to use them. I know not what the person who added that was thinking, though. -[[User:7HS|7HS]]<br />
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:It's from Perfect Memento.<br />
:Although there're some room for speculation (one of Unresolved Materials), officially it's her that invented the system, according to Akyu.<br />
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==Long page==<br />
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It's only going to get larger when Touhou 10 is released (assuming she's in it, which she wasn't in 9.5). Is this an extremely outdated warning from before the days of 1Mb/sec download speeds, streaming live video, and 3D MMORPGs?<br />
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== About Main profile pictures ==<br />
[[Category talk:Characters#Main profile pictures|Discuss it here]]<br />
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== Reimu's age ==<br />
Is there any canon material anywhere - profiles, dialogue, books, interviews, ''anything'' - that specifies or even hints at Reimu's age? I have not seen a single reference to it anywhere.<br />
<br />
If there is nothing in canon, her age should be listed as "unknown".<br />
<br />
In case it wasn't obvious, Touhou suffers from Simpsons Syndrome in relation to characters' ages. Yes the series have a timeline etc. but the characters themselves do not age normally. And since ZUN loves being vague and ambiguous about things like this, "Age:" really means "Age at first appearance:" on this wiki.--[[User:Umhyuk|Umhyuk]] 09:17, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Read before you delete. ZUN's own words: "If I say how old she is, she’ll have to keep getting older. Suffice it to say they’re getting older. Besides, if she gets too old, I’m afraid some day she’d get too old to play danmaku." That is the complete opposite of what you said.<br />
::1. If a dispute is up, you keep the <b>old</b> revision of the page.<br />
::2. Nowhere in that sentence is it ever explained how much older she gets. Is it a month between games, a year, a day?--[[User:Umhyuk|Umhyuk]] 13:56, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::How could she get a month older after a year passes? You aren't making any sense. Cirno doesn't look 60+ years old, but she's been around for over 60 years. Yukari appears to be in her 20s, but her age is listed as 1,200+. Reimu's been around for 5 years since ZUN described her as "mid-teens", therefore she's 5 years older. It doesn't matter how much she aged physically, which you can't even tell from his drawings (he said not to trust them). And anyway, how would she get "too old to play danmaku" if she isn't aging physically? It doesn't fit with what ZUN said.<br />
:::The old version of the page has zero research, citations, or evidence, so I'm putting mine back up. Don't remove valid research and leave nothing in its place. [[User:Kapow751|Kapow751]] 15:12, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Sorry if I'm just barging in an ongoing argument, but if the "Age:" does mean the current age of the character, which is what I believe Kapow751 is trying to prove here, probably all other characters should have their ages changed? So Flandre should no longer be 495 but instead 502 or 503? Now the problem is Flandre could be actually 496 or 512 - way off what I just expected her age to be, based on the time passed since EoSD came out.<br />
::::We wouldn't be able to know Flandre's current and actual age because there's no official statement from ZUN stating her current age - we only have his statement that these characters get older. What Umhyuk is trying to explain here is that we cannot assume that the characters will get a year older every year just because ZUN said the characters will age. Yes I do see Kapow's and ZUN's point that characters get older, but at what rate is the remaining question.<br />
::::Anyways I hope this issue could be solved without too much dispute. I see a possible major edit war going on in this article, and I'll try see if anything comes up so that we can clear up this issue. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 16:18, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Again, how could "the characters will get a year older every year" not be true? If Reimu was born in (for example) 1990, then in 2004 she would be 14 (mid-teens), and in 2009 she would be 19. That's what age is, we aren't listing physical ages (see Cirno, Yukari, Remilia, etc.), we're listing the time that's passed while they were alive. Yes, every other character is also 5-6 years older since EoSD, because in TH12 it is 5 years later and they have lived 5 more years since then.<br />
:::::If Flandre was 495 in 2004, then she is 500 in 2009. She will be 512 in 2021. You could always put "in 2004" or "during EoSD" on Remilia and Flandre's ages in their profiles, to make it more clear. I only put Reimu's present age up because she's young and human, so 5 years is a bigger deal to her than to someone who's lived 100 times that long and has an indefinite lifespan. [[User:Kapow751|Kapow751]] 18:36, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::I see... Thanx for your taking your time to reply. I'll look to both possibilities. There's this quote I got from [[Gensokyo#Timeline|here]]: "Note that although the Windows games seem to follow a real-time progression as shown in this timeline, the human protagonists, Reimu Hakurei and Marisa Kirisame, don't apparently age beyond their mid-teens." The quote traces back to SuddenFrost's edit dating back to August 24th of 2009. Maybe we need to check the source of this quote. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 19:23, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::This discussion is age old on this wiki, and the general consensus is that <b>Age</b> means "Age at first appearance:". Just check out the history of the Remillia and Flandre pages for edit comments about this. Also keep in mind that unless it is a translation of a canon source it is not canon, even on this wiki. So don't use it as basis in an argument about canon. In case it isn't obvious, the timeline is full of errors based around stupid assumptions people has done, the only place it is reliable is where it has the explicit backing of the [[BAiJR]].<br />
:::::::I'm all for axing the whole age tag like anon suggests and degrade it to a fun fact for the characters where it is relevant. I would also suggest not blatantly ignoring parts of the discussion such as "If a dispute is up, you keep the <b>old</b> revision of the page."--[[User:Umhyuk|Umhyuk]] 20:40, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::In that case I'm also for scraping the ages and put them in the Fun Facts section. So many characters have unknown ages anyways. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 20:46, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I double-checked the timeline for the games, actually. If you read in the Prologue for each game it almost always says the current season, and there's often a direct reference to the previous game. Aside from TH06 being a little early, all of the games fit together perfectly if each takes place on the year it was released. For example, TH10.5 was released almost a year after TH10, the first line of the prologue: "Almost a year has passed since the shrine maiden went to the mountain." BAiJR confirms it for the earlier games, so it's absurd to think he stopped doing it and the games keep fitting the pattern just by coincidence.<br />
::::::::Anyway, I agree the age should be left off the profiles. ZUN refuses to give exact ages for anyone, and there's only a handful of characters whose ages can even be estimated. All of the rest are complete unknowns. It looks bad to have 90% of the profiles saying "Unknown", like nobody bothered to fill it in. [[User:Kapow751|Kapow751]] 04:44, October 11, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::That quote on the timeline is someone's opinion. That's the problem with this wiki, there are all these profiles and "fun facts" and location descriptions and most of it is completely uncited. Who knows how much of it is speculation, or just plain wrong? Who ever checks it? [[User:Kapow751|Kapow751]] 04:44, October 11, 2010 (UTC)<br />
Why don't we just ax the age from all from character descriptions? Pretty much everyone is either over 1000/undetermined. [[Special:Contributions/68.84.74.52|68.84.74.52]] 19:41, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds like we're all in favor of removing the ages, are we gonna do this or what? Is there an editor-in-chief or someone we should check with before we go updating every profile on the site? I don't want to waste my time editing 100 pages if somebody's just going to reverse them all. [[User:Kapow751|Kapow751]] 22:54, October 13, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::This wiki has no authority. Just someone who deletes spam and blocks spammers when we ask him too. Also, there's no need to edit ''all'' of the character pages right away. The removal of age can be done with a simple tweak to the template it uses. The data would still be there, but it just wouldn't show up.<br />
::So far, there seems to be no objections. Feel free to raise any objections, anyone. [[Special:Contributions/68.84.74.52|68.84.74.52]] 23:05, October 13, 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think ages should be removed, as some ages are sort of determined...for example Alice Margatroid became a youkai when she was a human, therefore for a youkai, she is young. [[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] 02:14, October 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::<nowiki>==Fun Facts==</nowiki><br />
:::<nowiki>* </nowiki>Having become a Youkai through training between the events of Mystic Square and Perfect Cherry Blossom, Alice is relatively young for a Youkai.<br />
:::Or something like that. [[Special:Contributions/68.84.74.52|68.84.74.52]] 02:31, October 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::And as an added bonus, the age trolling (YUKARI IS OVER 9000/17 YEARS OLD) would finally stop. I hope we're all in agreement here. [[Special:Contributions/68.84.74.52|68.84.74.52]] 00:25, October 19, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help with the Reimu page ==<br />
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I think I put up the page a bit early, as Momiji pointed out to me. I'd like to apologize if I caused any trouble and I understand that this page is the most visited on the entire wiki. Some stuff is incomplete in the page and needs some editing;<br />
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*Need to integrate the book synopsis completely in the page and remove it.<br />
*Need to insert some fluff in the story section, without spoiling too much. This is an hard one, considering all Reimu does is investigate every single incident.<br />
*The appearance section could maybe use a hand, the Touhou 6 - Touhou 12 section is a tad confusing.<br />
*Maybe need to insert a new section pertaining more to the character itself, personality/situation, I don't see myself putting "No youkai dares oppose her, for if she is defeated, the Great Boundary might collapse." in occupation<br />
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I'l edit the page a bit myself tomorrow and during the week, I'l also be busy on the Marisa and the 3 fairies page. Any help would be appreciated and we could use this page afterwards as a model to all the other pages.<br />
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[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 02:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I really wonder what to edit(Or rather, how to edit it), could someone help me? I'm sorry about bothering people here, I cannot access the IRC at all.<br />
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[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 20:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I did consider adding a personality section when moving stuff from the book synopsis section. Maybe you could write that up.<br />
:I also tried to summarize all of Reimu's Windows appearances; just check the second paragraph. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 23:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I think that we should include personality in the main description of the page(First few paragraphs). It would present Reimu to the readers more easily. I also took the liberty of chopping the occupations section, because it was redundant; you can't describe a character in the main desc without referring to its occupations, Reimu is not Reimu without being a shrine maiden that resolves incidents. And now I think that we need to chop the backstory subsection, I kept this from the old page, but I'd like to either send it in the trivia for the moment or somehow integrate it in the article. I will also edit the relationships section later. --[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 02:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The possible Nanoha reference ==<br />
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I don't see the similarity between the characters here. It says "they both tend to befriend others through superior firepower", but I'm pretty sure Reimu just wants to get rid of most of the enemies she faces(since they're all youkai and everything)... [[User:Darkslime|Darkslime]] 14:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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But isn't "I'm pretty sure" an opinion? The "She treats youkai and humans in the same manner" part comes from PMiSS. Besides, the only reason she faces youkai is because they cause incidents.<br />
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--[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 14:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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What you just said supports the fact that she isn't particularly out to befriend them, just to exterminate them when they cause trouble. [[User:Darkslime|Darkslime]] 13:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yet she apparently treats them in the same uninterested manner as humans. I don't think that she looks down on youkai as much as Sanae does.<br />
--[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 14:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Treating all life as equal is a trait thats a general concept though. Coincidence for this trait would be fairly common throughout the world. Byakuren has more of this trait and during their conversation theres examples of Reimu hating youkai and trying to get rid of them. --[[User:Hikaruxz|Hikaruxz]] 15:55, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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The problem I have with that is that in the Nue conversation, Reimu states she could seal her back, yet doesn't and let Nue go, she doesn't seal back Byakuren either. I think she's more condescending to youkai than she looks like. Besides, again, her shrine is filled with them, just look at Oriental Sacred Place for example. Most of her game dialogue consists of her being a dick to whoever is getting in her way.<br />
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--[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 16:24, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I think she just wants to do your job and get done with it.<br />
I don't think she really has anything against the Youkai since when they aren't causing trouble, they visit her shrine.<br />
She's sort of the person who wags her finger at anyone who causes trouble<br />
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== Italics ==<br />
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The usage of italics in this article, and perhaps other character articles too, is, to put it nicely, in need of work. In particular, there is needless italicizing of names (Her best friend is probably ''Marisa Kirisame'') and not enough italicizing of titles (From Embodiment of Scarlet Devil onward,). I ask that whoever is rewriting the bulk of the text to please review the usage of italics. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 04:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Actually, this is my fault since I rewrote the text, I thought the names needed italicizing and not the games. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 17:10, 31 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Table of content has "too much content" ==<br />
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5 Official Profiles<br />
5.1 Highly Responsive to Prayers - 靈異伝.TXT<br />
5.2 Story of Eastern Wonderland - 封魔録.txt<br />
5.3 Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream - 夢時空.TXT<br />
5.4 Lotus Land Story - 幻想郷.TXT<br />
5.5 Mystic Square - 怪綺談.TXT<br />
5.6 Shuusou Gyoku - 創曲幻想.txt<br />
5.7 Embodiment of Scarlet Devil - Manual<br />
5.8 Embodiment of Scarlet Devil - おまけ.txt<br />
5.9 Perfect Cherry Blossom - Manual<br />
5.10 Perfect Cherry Blossom - キャラ設定.txt<br />
5.11 Immaterial and Missing Power - 上海アリス通信.txt<br />
5.12 Imperishable Night - Manual<br />
5.13 Imperishable Night - キャラ設定.txt<br />
5.14 Phantasmagoria of Flower View - Manual<br />
5.15 Phantasmagoria of Flower View - キャラ設定.txt<br />
5.16 Mountain of Faith - Manual<br />
5.17 Scarlet Weather Rhapsody - chara.html<br />
5.18 Subterranean Animism - キャラ設定.txt<br />
5.19 Undefined Fantastic Object - キャラ設定とエキストラストーリー.txt<br />
5.20 Wild and Horned Hermit official website<br />
5.21 Ten Desires - omake.txt<br />
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The table of contents shouldn't contain all the profiles, it makes the table of contents bloated and takes a huge part of the page, I changed it a while ago and someone changed it back, in fact, everything under 5 should be removed from the table of contents. Or there should be another way to show it. There's a reason why the "Official Games" section in the character's info is something you can hide/show.<br />
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--[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 01:53, 29 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Specific things that should be moved/removed==<br />
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'''<blockquote>"In ''[[Subterranean Animism]]'', according to [[Satori Komeiji]] who read her mind, it seems that she has put trust in [[Yukari Yakumo]]. In Chapter 7 of ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'', she made tempura from the sprout of an angelica tree and had an evening meal with Marisa."</blockquote>'''<br />
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-Currant Location: Personality<br />
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-Recommendation: Move to Relationships with Marisa; has not a lot to do with personality.<br />
:Response: it is commenting about her attitude towards being close to others. It is not a comment about her specific relations to Yukari or Marisa.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Nazeo's Response: Then it should make more of an effort to say so. [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Nazeo's New Response: The connection has been made, thus I accept it. [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
'''<blockquote>She left her personal-use teacup at Kourindou, but it does not seem like even Rinnosuke knows why she did this.</blockquote>'''<br />
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-Currant Location: Personality<br />
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-Recommendation: Move to Relationships with Rinnosuke, as leaving her teacup doesn't seem to impact her personality as it is stated...<br />
:Response: This does not have much to do with her relation to Rinnosuke. It is simply stating that she sometimes does strange things.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Nazeo's Response: Same (as with a lot of these) it MUST be said (Users can't read minds). [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Nazeo's New Response: With the revision you made, i accept this. [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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'''<blockquote>She usually calls Rinnosuke "Rinnosuke-san." Since it is usual, the fact that she calls him by his first name is not because of close friendship, as although their relation is more to the extent of calling him by his surname "Morichika-san" or by the name of his store "Kourindou-san," it is due to her personality that for sure she calls him by attaching "-san" to his first name. (The only times when Reimu uses "-san" are for Rinnosuke and [[Meira]]. Although Meira is female, she misunderstood and thought Meira was male.)</blockquote>'''<br />
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-Currant Location: Personality<br />
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-Recommendation: Move to Relationships with Rinnosuke and Meira where appropriate, as this is became less about personality and more about the interactions with Characters...<br />
:Response: "it is due to her personality that for sure" - it is not a comment about her relationship to Rinnosuke or Meira. It is talking about how she acts towards others in general.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Nazeo's New Response: Whoops, I messed that up then. Leave it then, my bad. [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC) <br />
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'''<blockquote>In ''[[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]]'', there was a youkai who seemed to be enjoying herself reading a book when for some reason or another, she made a surprise attack in order to exterminate, and as the counterattack from that youkai tore her skirt, she put on Rinnosuke's clothing at her convenience, stealing the youkai's book and sold it to Rinnosuke, receiving someone else's due. Perhaps because of this, compared to Marisa who is usually considered to be a magician who does things at her convenience, she is always considered by Rinnosuke to be a miko who does things at her convenience. Nonetheless, in the case of the incident in Curiosities of Lotus Asia that progressively gets resolved, she helped by warding off ghosts free of charge, worried and inquired when she heard the mistaken information that Rinnosuke was eking out a living from his, and had a misgiving about [[Marisa Kirisame]] taking stuff from the store without permission that she came to report this information.</blockquote>'''<br />
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-Currant Location: Personality<br />
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-Recommendation: Move to story, as it tells about plot points and less about personality.<br />
:Response: maybe it should talk more about personality, but these points are not to elucidate on the story - they are more to demonstrate her usual behavior.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Nazeo's Response: Then it must make a connection back to her personality if we are to have that block text (more as a summary etc). [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Nazeo's New Response: You did better with this, although it feels like it missing... something. But, since I can't point out what that is, I'll shut up about it. [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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'''<blockquote>In ''[[Silent Sinner in Blue]]'', she helped the fainted moon rabbit within her compound to the extent of becoming a physician, borrowing her futon without sleeping herself, thus showing a soft side of her. Although, of course, she did make the veil her own at her convenience.</blockquote>'''<br />
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-Currant Location: Personality<br />
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-Recommendation: Reword, as "to the extent of becoming a physician" isn't appropriate as is (without a official profile stating this, unnecessary to write like that) <br />
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:::Nazeo's New Response: I agree with how you state it now.<br />
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'''<blockquote>It can be said that she resembles [[Alice Margatroid]] in not showing her true power since there would be nothing afterwards if she lost. Furthermore, as in chapter 6 of ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'', since she participates in the Usoae Shinji ({{lang|ja|鷽替神事}}) (a festival where birds gather to peck at all the lies that one has uttered until now), one might therefore think that Reimu and Alice do not tell lies often in order not to be pecked at by the bullfinches. </blockquote>'''<br />
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:::Nazeo's New Response: Addressed at the bottom. [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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-Currant Location: Personality<br />
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-Recommendation: Reword to be more about personality. <br />
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'''<blockquote>By looking at this official characterization, it may leave the impression that she may be "cool." Furthermore, outside of the games, if one turns one's eyes to look at her daily scenery, she repeatedly has parties in the endings, and furthermore in ''[[東方三月精|Sangetsusei]]'' and [[Curiosities of Lotus Asia]] it can be seen that she has become quite close to [[Marisa Kirisame]] and [[Rinnosuke Morichika]] etc., and due to this, if one looks at the official characterization, there might be a sense of doubt about the official characterization for some people.</blockquote>'''<br />
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-Currant Location: Personality<br />
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-Recommendation: Remove, as this just became on how the audience views Reimu and not about her personality. Or attempt to reword to avoid this misconception.<br />
:Perhaps it is badly worded, but it is simply demonstrating some things that are contrary to her official characterization.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Nazeo's Response: Fair enough, but the statement should still be made. [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Nazeo's New Response: I now accept this [[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Work on those, then I'll move on to other sections...<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 19:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:All in all, things can be revised, but I do not recommend any substantial information being moved elsewhere.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::With all of these, they really need to reconnect on how this makes Reimu on who she is...[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Alright, understood. I shall get towards revising this so as to make it more clear that it is all about her personality.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 20:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Thx!<br />
[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 20:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I have made a first revision, but as I did it in a hurry, I realize that there may still be things off about the "personality" section. In any case, it would be good to continue to point out what is off about it.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 21:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok fair enough, and I'm willing to help, given your permission (I will then treat these cases as rewrites rather than moving/removing etc unless otherwise stated at this point.)<br />
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Move '''<blockquote>Since she is usually at the edge of Gensokyo, it is daily routine for her to look at the sky of Gensokyo, drinking tea. Carefree, she lacks any feeling of danger.</blockquote>''' at the end of the 1st paragraph.<br />
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'''<blockquote>It can be said that she resembles [[Alice Margatroid]] in not showing her true power since there would be nothing afterwards if she lost. Furthermore, as in chapter 6 of ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'', since she participates in the Usoae Shinji ({{lang|ja|鷽替神事}}) (a festival where birds gather to peck at all the lies that one has uttered until now), one might therefore think that Reimu and Alice do not tell lies often in order not to be pecked at by the bullfinches.</blockquote>'''<br />
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:The problem I had with this one was (Sorry for not explaining earlier) is the previous paragraph was how she was getting close to others, but then we have this section which jumps to another topic not getting pecked by bullfinches.<br />
:Then, we go back to caring Reimu in which she cares for the wounded Reisen I.<br />
:Basically, we need to either rewrite it so it makes more sense to the theme we had going or place it somewhere else in personality.<br />
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:Overall, I do like the new changes as they are better at explaining how these events shape her personality, yay!<br />
:GJ! (=w=) d<br />
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[[User:Nazeo|♥★♦]] 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Well, the last paragraph was there to conclude it all to summarize it at the end. I am not exactly sure what should replace it for a conclusion if it is moved up.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 04:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Relating fanon to canon ==<br />
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There should be at least some information about how fanon fits in with the canon - whether it is there or not, and whether it makes sense within canon. If it doesn't fit within the "fandom" section, it should at least go elsewhere - not removed.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 23:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Yes. If it's canon info, it shouldn't be under fandom, but as you said, elsewhere. Also, There shouldn't really be any in-death information on each bullet under fandom, but just the general parts of that meme and such. That's why I trimmed it, but didn't know where else to put it lol. ^^' {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 00:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::That's precisely why I invented Conceptuals (again, my horrible mastery of the English language.)<br />
::But, I sorta wanted it to be the page where there is in fact a lot of information on it - the format I am still working on and can be discussed.<br />
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::Perhaps it would be better discussed under [[Touhou Wiki talk:Guidelines]] - I left a comment there.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Pasted [[Touhou Wiki talk:Guidelines|there]]<br />
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== Comparisons between fanon and canon ==<br />
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When it comes to talking about canon in the fanon section, the purpose is for comparison. The only way to do comparison is to talk about canon and fanon at the same time. Surely it would be appropriate to point out what canon has to say about fanon.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 21:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Additional unrelated comment: if we are going to use bullets, it only makes sense to give each entry names. After all, the point of using bullets is to make everything easier to read. Giving each entry a name would only make it easier to read, not harder.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 22:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Regarding a recent edit ==<br />
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Concerning [http://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Reimu_Hakurei&action=historysubmit&diff=251382&oldid=251330 these revisions], although I have no problems with drastic edits, I do not believe important information should be '''removed'''. This especially goes for the personality section, for which there really isn't a need to shorten it. However, I do agree with the edit to the "general information" section. For the time being, I have undone the edit, but I shall go ahead and redo some of those edits, as well as some minor reorganization of the personality section.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 09:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC) <small>(Commented revised)--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)</small><br />
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I know what I was doing when editing your content, and I tried to preserve the important parts whenever possible. And I must say that one thing your writing lacks is clarity (I'm pretty sure it's highly valued on wikipedia as well), which I am trying to fix. Let's discuss what should stay on the page here shall we? [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 14:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Improving clarity should not involve removal of information, however. All quotations and facts should remain stated.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 14:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:We don't need to list every fact to prove an argument, only the important ones. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 14:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::We are not proving an argument here. The job of the page is to provide the facts.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 14:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I know, but I don't think the way the facts are organized makes the overall picture any clearer than before. (And I do have the right to move around whatever you write.) [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 14:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Then it can be re-organized, but that doesn't mean any facts should be removed.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 14:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Fine, we'll keep all the facts, but only those that are 100% right. (Some, like the bullfinch bit, should be removed for being incorrect.)<br />
:::By the way, pretty please try to stick to guidelines at all times. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 14:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::The bullfinch bit is correct, and should therefore not be removed.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 14:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::From what I know, though Alice may be aware of the purpose of the bullfinch festival, that doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't lie solely to avoid being pecked by them.[[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 15:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::As opposed to Marisa who was pecked at, though, she was not.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 15:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::Furthermore, the style of the current "personality" section does not seem far off from character pages on Wikipedia or other game wikis, like [http://www.khwiki.net/Sora#Personality here]. If this kind of style using paragraphs in larger sections seems unnatural to you, this is probably just a carry over from the old format, when it was pretty much just about bullet points in a single "fun facts" section.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 15:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I've been editing TVTropes since 2009, made a few edits for Wikia before that, and seen a whole number of other wikis. I think I have a good feel for how wiki style works, my good sir.<br />
::::By the way, I joined this wiki after they moved from the old wikia, and I only use the "old format" if it works.[[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 15:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Above all, I do not appreciate how I get called out on this page rather than my user page after I made an edit entirely in good faith.[[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 15:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:The comment was made here since it purely concerns the contents of the page. On the other hand, it is if you were to make an edit that was ''not'' on good faith, that is when a comment would be made on the user page.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 15:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:This doesn't just concern the contents of the page; it concerns '''ME''' as well. (Very few editors have the honor of being called out in public like this.) [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 15:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:That and you seem to imply my edits are entirely counterproductive. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 15:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Then it must have been a misunderstanding of what my original comment was saying. It was not talking about ''you'', but rather, about the contents of the ''edit'' that you made.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 15:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::My edits are written solely by me alone. My edits represent my voice and my personality. My edits are my contribution to the wiki. That's why I feel this is so personal. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 15:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Half off this seems off-topic...anyway, [[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] is right about leaving any and all facts. Even the smallest piece of information is significant. It's like paleontology, each fossil tells a story and no matter how insignificant it may seem at first, it has value in the long-run. Now, about your personal feelings, it's better discussed somewhere else (Not trying to be against you, but it seems like a different topic). --[[User:Hikaruxz|Hikaruxz]] 15:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm sorry I had to rant in public, though I still don't understand why he had to mention me in the topic title of all places.<br />
::I'm not against leaving in every fact, but good writing does not ramble, and Tosiaki's writing in my opinion doesn't illustrate the point clearly enough. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 16:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I also feel he relies on '''''inferences''''' more often than facts. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 16:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::The purpose is not to ''illustrate a point'', but rather, to ''provide the official facts'' so as to allow people to make their own judgments.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 16:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::That still doesn't change the fact that your writing lacks clarity. Something you should have learned when learning about wiki style. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 16:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::As stated previously, things can be revised to make things more clear, but that does not mean that any information should be removed.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 16:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Of course, that's fine. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 16:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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"It can thus be concluded that her personality could be seen as "cool."" Aren't the readers supposed to make their own conclusions? I feel you're making your own conclusions for them. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 16:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Just for WaHH, she seems greedy and not that "cool" in terms of her actions. She slips up so many times. --[[User:Hikaruxz|Hikaruxz]] 16:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:The point I wanted to make here is that Tosiaki's being a hypocrite. But yeah, I see what you mean. [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 16:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Few notes. First, I see no problem with identifying an editor on the Talk page if it helps to identify the problematic edit in question. EDIT: Not using a name to identify would probably be better; surely ''I'' don't need to mention the name of the same editor to get my point across.<br />
::Second, I have to back IbarakiIbuki on this. As I have noted before on other pages, clarity and conciseness are very important. I decided to specifically tackle [[Marisa]]'s and [[Patchouli]]'s articles because 1) to serve as examples, 2) I don't have the time to go through every article, and 3) they were characters I knew more about. I trust other editors to make character pages more readable, and to prune unnecessary details that add little to the point trying to be made.<br />
::Regarding clarity. It's bad if readers don't understand; it's worse when editors can't understand and have no choice but to ''guess'' the meaning. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 05:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::The naming of section might have indeed been somewhat non-judicious.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 06:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Miko ==<br />
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Why is she constantly reffered to as "miko" and not just "shrine maiden"? ☢ [[User:Quwanti|Quwanti]] 11:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:It's shorter and means exactly the same thing. "Miko" has a better relation to the Shinto religion. Although with [[Toyosatomimi no Miko]] introduced, I guess it might be better to use "shrine maiden" to avoid confusion with those that are unfamiliar with Japanese terms. --[[User:Hikaruxz|Hikaruxz]] 11:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:They mean the same thing so it is no problem to use both of them interchangeably. However, when it comes to {{lang|ja|博麗の巫女}}, it should be referred to uniformly as "Miko of Hakurei" (with capital "M"), since it is somewhat of a title.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 12:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah, ok. But it may be confused if two different terms are used in the wiki. Especcially as she is still the "Shrine Maiden of Paradise". ☢ [[User:Quwanti|Quwanti]] 12:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, for things that are title-like or name-like, it should be consistent as for whether "miko" or "shrine maiden" is used for each particular name or title - so for that case, it should be uniformly "Shrine Maiden of Paradise" - although there doesn't seem to be a need for consistency between all usages.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 12:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Edit Warring ==<br />
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I'm warning both of you, [[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] and [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]], to please keep it civil and to try and work out your differences. If you do not I'll be protecting the article for a period of time and probating the both of you. Thanks. [[User:Momiji|Momiji]] 01:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I would like to comment that I have not attempted to make any personal attacks. If you have [[#Regarding IbarakiIbuki's recent edit|read my comments in the previous section]], I think it should be clear that I was simply trying to argue regarding the reasons for edits and did not say anything personal, merely the merits and demerits of certain edits, nor did I respond to anything that went into personal issues. I would just like to make this clear. Thank you if you can understand this.--[[User:Tosiaki|Tosiaki]] 01:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I would like to sincerely apologize for my actions. I felt that my rights as an editor were infringed upon and acted in an inappropriate matter. I deeply apologize to all the editors who witnessed my wild behavior. (Momiji, I am most sorry for getting you involved.) [[User:IbarakiIbuki|Ibaraki Ibuki]] 01:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== hidden function ==<br />
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What's going on now? The green strip is obstructing the yin-yang orb emblem that's right next to the section. I'd suggest that we undo the edit until someone comes up with a solution to this problem or, if you can, suggest a better section to move those images to and keep the hidden function there. --'''This message from [[User:Deathsoul4|DeltaSierra4]] was delivered on''' 16:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Rather than simply ''undoing'' that edit, I suggest that we simply move the emblem instead. The problem won't go away even if the edit was undone, since when the table is unhidden, the table still obstructs the emblem.--[[User:Tosiaki|としあき]] 16:47, 29 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::It didn't obstruct the yin-yang emblem before the edit. I think you mean that it collided with the image with Marisa in it, and even that didn't get obstructed but rather obstructed the table itself (which is still a problem, true). As for why I was suggesting undoing the change and work on a solution, before the edit, at least the toggle view function didn't collide with the yin yang orb image, but now, the green strip collides with the image, regardless of whether the table is expanded or hidden. I guess this can be done: Move the images to a different part of the same section of spell cards (there is no other section that it seems to fit in, unless we implement the gallery feature) so that it appears underneath the table or something. --'''This message from [[User:Deathsoul4|DeltaSierra4]] was delivered on''' 16:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::It shouldn't be a problem to perhaps simply just move it to the "general information" section.--[[User:Tosiaki|としあき]] 17:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== PC-98 name moved ==<br />
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I'm a little curious as to why Reimu's PC-98 name has been moved to "Additional Information" when it's Reimu's (former) name, as well as this "In the Japanese community, {{lang|ja|博麗靈夢}} is used to refer to Reimu in the PC-98 era specifically" onwards isn't under the fandom section. I appreciate it if someone could explain this. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 06:57, 15 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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== Clarification needed on one of her abilities ==<br />
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What does "floating away from reality" even MEAN? Can someone who knows what this means please clarify?--[[User:OverCoat|OverCoat]] ([[User talk:OverCoat|talk]]) 12:02, 12 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
*It's unknown what ''really'' means, ZUN doesn't really like to explain the abilities. But according to this sources:<br />
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Spell_Cards/Last_Word#Spell_Card_215<br />
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Grimoire_of_Marisa/Reimu_Hakurei%27s_Spell_Cards<br />
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'''Floating from reality''' means that she ''floats away'' (she leaves reality) from everything (damage,etc...the reality she is in) and thus becoming intangible and invincible because now she is not in ''the reality''. It's a bit too complicated to explain and to understand... as I said, ZUN dislikes to define everything...<br />
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Hopes this helps... and if not... then I don't know other official sources where he explains this ability, and I don't have any other simply way to explain it. --[[User:Camilo113|Camilo113]] ([[User talk:Camilo113|talk]]) 03:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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So basically she has the ability to phase in & out of this plane of existence. I'll clarify this in the article myself.--[[User:OverCoat|OverCoat]] ([[User talk:OverCoat|talk]]) 04:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Final boss status ==<br />
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Reimu is a final boss when playing the regular final bosses' scenarios in the competitive games, but that isn't acknowledged for some reason. Shouldn't her status be (Possible Opponent/ Possible Final Boss) or something along the lines of that?<br />
:Seems OK. I'd put something along the lines as 'final boss of <name>'s scenario'. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 17:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you for agreeing.^^ [[User:Risanderu Yumikozuki|Risanderu Yumikozuki]] ([[User talk:Risanderu Yumikozuki|talk]]) 20:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Paper Charms ==<br />
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Reimu's danmaku often appear to be paper charms. I was wondering if they should be mentioned on this page since they seem to be a significant distinguishing feature of her character (and, as such, often end up in her fanart).</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Impossible_Spell_Card&diff=326321Talk:Impossible Spell Card2014-08-23T18:01:24Z<p>Karob: /* Difficulty */</p>
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<div>"the 14.3rd official installment"<br />
A little bit weird for me. <br />
"http://youtu.be/S2XZ1w-vvwI?t=2s"<br />
Naming method doesn't match ZUN's nor English convention.<br />
NVM just a personal view.<br/><br />
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== Difficulty ==<br />
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Chances are, If you haven't 1cc'd any Touhou game on Hard, [[Impossible Spell Card]] will be a HUGE challenge for you.<br />
:I am new to the Touhou games and have not managed to clear [[Imperishable Night]] on normal (while using continues). I did not have much trouble with Impossible Spell Card until I reached the final day. I currently feel like Impossible Spell Card is easier for me, though I guess I can't say that since I haven't beaten either game yet. Also, in Impossible Spell Card, the player only has to repeat a spell card until they have defeated it, instead of having to repeat the entire game until they clear it. -[[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 18:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Three_Fairies_of_Light&diff=325557Talk:Three Fairies of Light2014-08-13T03:34:30Z<p>Karob: /* Sangetsusei "Three Lights" Character for Light */</p>
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<div>== What is the source of the names of them? ==<br />
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I wrote the transcription of the article of Sunny Milk in PMiSS, and after a time a good person had my writings more accurate. Thanks! That was like this; "you writes Lunarchild & Starsaphire, but those are not good spelling. They don't match their names in the page of 'Eastern and Little Nature Deity'". Luna Child & Star Sapphire."<br><br />
When I see PMiSS, their names are written vertically on the right side as "サニーミルク Sunnymilk". The names of the other 2 fairies are "ルナチャイルド Lunarchild" and "スターサファイア Starsaphire". Of course the spelling "saphire" isn't better. "Star" is an English word, not German word, so "sapphire" is better. Of course ZUN doesn't alway write things in correct spelling. But I think that the original spelling should be respected in some degree. What is the source of the names of 3 mischievous fairies in this page? --[[User:Masuo64|Masuo64]] 05:33, 20 March 2008 (PDT)<br />
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: [http://gallery.gensokyo.org/displayimage.php?album=201&pos=16 This page scanned from Eastern and Little Nature Deity] appears to be unedited (unfortunately. I wonder why the little 4-koma was left untranslated). -[[User:Winane|Winane]] 08:50, 20 March 2008 (PDT)<br />
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:: Hmm... Thank you, Winane-san! That page is p.23 of the former Sangatsusei. The picture brings me confused which we should follow. For the time being, I understand that ZUN sometimes doesn't care about character's spelling in Romaji (in Japanized Latin alphabet), and that we're maybe better to follow the spelling in the picture except indices of PMiSS; the first appearance of her name on the PMiSS page of each fairy. <br><br />
::Do you need a translation of 4-koma?<br><br />
::1. Remilia: "Hey! Reimu's shrine is all so far, isn't it?" Sakuya: "It's strange... I suppose it would come out soon..."<br><br />
::2. Sunny: "Ahaha, they're getting lost, getting lost." Star: "They doesn't seem to get there for a while." Luna: "But the maid seems to have a quite keen sense...?"<br><br />
::3. Sunny: "Have no fear! Absolutely we can't be discov..."<br><br />
::4. Remilia: "What's the matter, Sakuya?" Sakuya: (じー is Japanese onomatopoeia meaning staring)"... Well, it might just be me." 3's: " " "That was cloooose!!!" " "<br><br />
::I think this translation will be OK. --[[User:Masuo64|Masuo64]] 10:23, 20 March 2008 (PDT)<br />
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I'd just like to mention that both Sunnymilk and Star Sapphire are listed as "wisest among the three". Since I can't remember which one's actually supposed to be the least stupid, I thought I'd comment on it so that someone could fix it.<br />
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== ルナ茶 ==<br />
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I think that doing a Google search for this phrase pretty much confirms that this is a common name for Luna Child. Does anyone disagree? --[[Special:Contributions/192.5.109.49|192.5.109.49]] 03:59, September 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: It reads as "Runa Cha", meaning "Luna Tea" (茶 is tea). Maybe "Cha" is the short form from "Child", or maybe she likes tea, or else, pun of "Lunatic"? I don't know... [[User:Antimo|Antimo]] 06:31, September 15, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Star's 'sensibility'==<br />
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"Age: Unknown, Apparently the most sensible among the three" <br />
Says the description about Star's age in her main profile. Now, "Apparently the most sensible among the three" doesn't quite sound like an age description of a character, so I think this part should be dropped from her age description and be moved to either her abilities description or to the fun facts. I'd like to know how everyone thinks of this. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 02:36, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==One page for 3 characters?==<br />
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Isn't a bit weird that we have a single page for 3 characters that each have a rather significant amount of canon content(Read: SaBND, OSP, Fairy Wars)?<br />
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It's like if we put [[Renko]] and [[Maribel]] on the same page because they only are in a few music albums.<br />
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Why can't they all have their own page?<br />
:I second that. Think of them as a "real music band". They have a description as a grope as whole, and seperate pages which goes in more detail per character. ~ [[User:Quwanti|Quwanti]] 21:19, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Going to split ==<br />
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I'm going to split this page into four different pages(One for each fairy, and one page for the mischievous group, referring to the 3 profiles.) somewhere this week or next week. I need to get the Reimu/Marisa/Youmu profiles ready for C80. Please don't touch<br />
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--[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 00:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cirno is a friend? ==<br />
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I've been quite lazy, don't worry, the split is coming soon, but I have a bit of a problem with something. Why does the original page state that the trio is friends with Cirno? She's only present in a few chapters of the manga and helps them play a prank on someone, and then they fight in fairy wars because the trio are outright dicks to Cirno by destroying her home. If anything, for anyone who read the manga, Marisa is way more supporting to the fairies than Cirno is, and would sound more like a "friend" to me, so why isn't she mentioned at all on the page?<br />
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**It's an incident, I'm sure after everything was said and done, they were back to pretty friendly terms, though you do have a point with Marisa being the most occurring usually friendly character.--[[User:ReiKusanagi|ReiKusanagi]] 22:39, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
***There's a chapter in one of the mangas where Reimu either says "Oh, it's those fairies taht Marisa's always hanging out with" or "It's those three fairies that Marisa's friends with", though I forget which one of those two statements it was, and which chapter it was in. If it's the latter one (and maybe even if it's the former one), maybe Marisa should be added as a friend to the list of relationships, since Reimu herself said that was the case. Someone needs to track down which chapter that statement was made, though (maybe I'll do it later. Bit busy atm). [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 21:28, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Name Change to "Three Fairies of Light" ==<br />
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:I am wondering if we should change the name of the article to "Three Fairies of Light". Quoted from the trivia section of that page,<br />
::''The official name for these three fairies in Japanese is "Three Fairies of Light" (Hikari no San-Yousei, 光の三妖精) or its shortened one "Three Fairies" (San-Yousei, 三妖精).''<br />
:which leads me to believe that if this is indeed the official Japanese name for the three, then we should switch to that. As well, the article makes no mention of the origin of "Three Mischievous Fairies" in the Name and Concept section, so I have nothing to justify that name off of except their behaviour or as a fan-assigned nickname. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 21:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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If you aren't aware yet, I'm splitting this article in four( [[Talk:Touhou_Wiki/Editor_Corner#Splitting_the_fairies._Now.]] ). And changing the name seems like a good idea. --[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 21:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Where should the tibbit about their love of liquor go? ==<br />
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As the only way I see things is having to do it each in their pages as the group page as no trivia spot.--[[User:ReiKusanagi|ReiKusanagi]] 20:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sangetsusei "Three Lights" Character for Light ==<br />
"Sangetsusei (三月精) which contains '''"Three Lights" (三精 sansei)''' and also as san ("SUN") getsu (月, "moon") sei (星, "star")."<br><br />
Can 精 really refer to lights? Should it perhaps be 晢 (三晢 sansei)? -[[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 23:04, 11 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It's referd in Shanghai Alice Correspondence Three Fairies Version vol.5, or E&LND pg.95. --[[User:Masuo64|masuo64]] <sup>[[User Talk:Masuo64|Talk]]</sup> 16:44, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you.-[[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 03:34, 13 August 2014 (UTC)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=User:Karob&diff=325556User:Karob2014-08-13T03:32:31Z<p>Karob: Created page with "Hello. I'm just your friendly neighborhood Touhou fan. As I browse the English wiki I occasionally see things that are written in an unclear or grammatically incorrect way. I..."</p>
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<div>Hello. I'm just your friendly neighborhood Touhou fan. As I browse the English wiki I occasionally see things that are written in an unclear or grammatically incorrect way. I created this account in hopes that I could improve the readability of some sections as I come across them.<br />
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My favorite character is Youmu Konpaku. Why? Well, quite a number of reasons, but I will only mention one. I feel like her half-human half-phantom nature parallels where I find myself, trapped in a place between the worlds of reality (the tangible) and imagination (the intangible), not fully accepted by either one. It makes me... cold. I'd rather be warm but the cold is, somehow, comforting.</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Three_Fairies_of_Light&diff=325432Talk:Three Fairies of Light2014-08-11T23:04:26Z<p>Karob: </p>
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<div>== What is the source of the names of them? ==<br />
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I wrote the transcription of the article of Sunny Milk in PMiSS, and after a time a good person had my writings more accurate. Thanks! That was like this; "you writes Lunarchild & Starsaphire, but those are not good spelling. They don't match their names in the page of 'Eastern and Little Nature Deity'". Luna Child & Star Sapphire."<br><br />
When I see PMiSS, their names are written vertically on the right side as "サニーミルク Sunnymilk". The names of the other 2 fairies are "ルナチャイルド Lunarchild" and "スターサファイア Starsaphire". Of course the spelling "saphire" isn't better. "Star" is an English word, not German word, so "sapphire" is better. Of course ZUN doesn't alway write things in correct spelling. But I think that the original spelling should be respected in some degree. What is the source of the names of 3 mischievous fairies in this page? --[[User:Masuo64|Masuo64]] 05:33, 20 March 2008 (PDT)<br />
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: [http://gallery.gensokyo.org/displayimage.php?album=201&pos=16 This page scanned from Eastern and Little Nature Deity] appears to be unedited (unfortunately. I wonder why the little 4-koma was left untranslated). -[[User:Winane|Winane]] 08:50, 20 March 2008 (PDT)<br />
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:: Hmm... Thank you, Winane-san! That page is p.23 of the former Sangatsusei. The picture brings me confused which we should follow. For the time being, I understand that ZUN sometimes doesn't care about character's spelling in Romaji (in Japanized Latin alphabet), and that we're maybe better to follow the spelling in the picture except indices of PMiSS; the first appearance of her name on the PMiSS page of each fairy. <br><br />
::Do you need a translation of 4-koma?<br><br />
::1. Remilia: "Hey! Reimu's shrine is all so far, isn't it?" Sakuya: "It's strange... I suppose it would come out soon..."<br><br />
::2. Sunny: "Ahaha, they're getting lost, getting lost." Star: "They doesn't seem to get there for a while." Luna: "But the maid seems to have a quite keen sense...?"<br><br />
::3. Sunny: "Have no fear! Absolutely we can't be discov..."<br><br />
::4. Remilia: "What's the matter, Sakuya?" Sakuya: (じー is Japanese onomatopoeia meaning staring)"... Well, it might just be me." 3's: " " "That was cloooose!!!" " "<br><br />
::I think this translation will be OK. --[[User:Masuo64|Masuo64]] 10:23, 20 March 2008 (PDT)<br />
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I'd just like to mention that both Sunnymilk and Star Sapphire are listed as "wisest among the three". Since I can't remember which one's actually supposed to be the least stupid, I thought I'd comment on it so that someone could fix it.<br />
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== ルナ茶 ==<br />
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I think that doing a Google search for this phrase pretty much confirms that this is a common name for Luna Child. Does anyone disagree? --[[Special:Contributions/192.5.109.49|192.5.109.49]] 03:59, September 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: It reads as "Runa Cha", meaning "Luna Tea" (茶 is tea). Maybe "Cha" is the short form from "Child", or maybe she likes tea, or else, pun of "Lunatic"? I don't know... [[User:Antimo|Antimo]] 06:31, September 15, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Star's 'sensibility'==<br />
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"Age: Unknown, Apparently the most sensible among the three" <br />
Says the description about Star's age in her main profile. Now, "Apparently the most sensible among the three" doesn't quite sound like an age description of a character, so I think this part should be dropped from her age description and be moved to either her abilities description or to the fun facts. I'd like to know how everyone thinks of this. [[User:Deathsoul4|Deathsoul4]] 02:36, October 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==One page for 3 characters?==<br />
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Isn't a bit weird that we have a single page for 3 characters that each have a rather significant amount of canon content(Read: SaBND, OSP, Fairy Wars)?<br />
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It's like if we put [[Renko]] and [[Maribel]] on the same page because they only are in a few music albums.<br />
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Why can't they all have their own page?<br />
:I second that. Think of them as a "real music band". They have a description as a grope as whole, and seperate pages which goes in more detail per character. ~ [[User:Quwanti|Quwanti]] 21:19, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Going to split ==<br />
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I'm going to split this page into four different pages(One for each fairy, and one page for the mischievous group, referring to the 3 profiles.) somewhere this week or next week. I need to get the Reimu/Marisa/Youmu profiles ready for C80. Please don't touch<br />
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--[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 00:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cirno is a friend? ==<br />
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I've been quite lazy, don't worry, the split is coming soon, but I have a bit of a problem with something. Why does the original page state that the trio is friends with Cirno? She's only present in a few chapters of the manga and helps them play a prank on someone, and then they fight in fairy wars because the trio are outright dicks to Cirno by destroying her home. If anything, for anyone who read the manga, Marisa is way more supporting to the fairies than Cirno is, and would sound more like a "friend" to me, so why isn't she mentioned at all on the page?<br />
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**It's an incident, I'm sure after everything was said and done, they were back to pretty friendly terms, though you do have a point with Marisa being the most occurring usually friendly character.--[[User:ReiKusanagi|ReiKusanagi]] 22:39, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
***There's a chapter in one of the mangas where Reimu either says "Oh, it's those fairies taht Marisa's always hanging out with" or "It's those three fairies that Marisa's friends with", though I forget which one of those two statements it was, and which chapter it was in. If it's the latter one (and maybe even if it's the former one), maybe Marisa should be added as a friend to the list of relationships, since Reimu herself said that was the case. Someone needs to track down which chapter that statement was made, though (maybe I'll do it later. Bit busy atm). [[User:TiamatRoar|TiamatRoar]] 21:28, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Name Change to "Three Fairies of Light" ==<br />
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:I am wondering if we should change the name of the article to "Three Fairies of Light". Quoted from the trivia section of that page,<br />
::''The official name for these three fairies in Japanese is "Three Fairies of Light" (Hikari no San-Yousei, 光の三妖精) or its shortened one "Three Fairies" (San-Yousei, 三妖精).''<br />
:which leads me to believe that if this is indeed the official Japanese name for the three, then we should switch to that. As well, the article makes no mention of the origin of "Three Mischievous Fairies" in the Name and Concept section, so I have nothing to justify that name off of except their behaviour or as a fan-assigned nickname. [[User:Kiefmaster99|- Kiefmaster99]] 21:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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If you aren't aware yet, I'm splitting this article in four( [[Talk:Touhou_Wiki/Editor_Corner#Splitting_the_fairies._Now.]] ). And changing the name seems like a good idea. --[[User:Sefam|Sefam]] 21:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Where should the tibbit about their love of liquor go? ==<br />
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As the only way I see things is having to do it each in their pages as the group page as no trivia spot.--[[User:ReiKusanagi|ReiKusanagi]] 20:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sangetsusei "Three Lights" Character for Light ==<br />
"Sangetsusei (三月精) which contains '''"Three Lights" (三精 sansei)''' and also as san ("SUN") getsu (月, "moon") sei (星, "star")."<br><br />
Can 精 really refer to lights? Should it perhaps be 晢 (三晢 sansei)? -[[User:Karob|Karob]] ([[User talk:Karob|talk]]) 23:04, 11 August 2014 (UTC)</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Three_Fairies_of_Light&diff=325425Three Fairies of Light2014-08-11T22:28:52Z<p>Karob: </p>
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<div>[[File:Strange and Bright Nature Deity.jpg|thumb|150px|The Three Fairies of Light together in ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'']]<br />
The {{nihongo|'''Three Fairies of Light'''|光の三妖精|Hikari no San-Yousei}}, or the {{nihongo|'''Three Fairies'''|三妖精|San-Yousei}} for short, also called the '''Three Mischievous Fairies''', are a small group of [[fairy|fairies]] composed of [[Sunny Milk]], [[Luna Child]], and [[Star Sapphire]]. They are known for causing mischief to humans by playing pranks on them using their powers. They are the protagonists of ''[[Eastern and Little Nature Deity]]'', ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'', and ''[[Oriental Sacred Place]]'', and the antagonists of ''[[Fairy Wars]]''.<br />
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==Concept==<br />
[[File:FS Three Fairies of Light.jpg|thumb|left|150px|The Three Fairies of Light in ''[[Forbidden Scrollery]]'']]<br />
===Name===<br />
The "three lights" refer to the sun, moon, and stars, the most clearly visible lights in the sky. It is from these lights that the fairies derive their power and after which they have been named. Many of their spell cards reflect how they derive their power. These three lights are also referred to in the name of work in which they appeared; Sangetsusei ({{lang|ja|三月精}}) which contains {{nihongo|"Three Lights"|三精|sansei}} and also as san ("SUN") {{nihongo||月|getsu|"moon"}} {{nihongo||星|sei|"star"}}.<ref>『三月精 第1部』「上海アリス通信 三精版 第5号」</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
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==Spell Cards==<br />
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<div>{{Infobox Character<br />
| nameJp = {{ruby-ja|大妖精|だいようせい}}<br />
| nameEn = Daiyousei <br />
| nameIPA = daijoːseː [[Media:Pronunciation_Daiyousei.ogg|(♫)]]<br />
| image = [[File:Th128Daiyousei.png|Daiyousei]]<br />
| caption = Sprite of Daiyousei in [[Fairy Wars]]<br />
| species = [[Fairy]]<br />
| location = [[Misty Lake]] around [[Scarlet Devil Mansion]]<br />
| appOfficialgames = *[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]] (Stage 2 Midboss)<br />
*[[Fairy Wars]] (Misty Lake Midboss, Extra Midboss)<br />
| appPrintworks = *[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]] (Chapter 13 Cameo)<br />
*[[Wild and Horned Hermit]] (Chapter 18 cameo, 20 cameo, 23 cameo)<br />
}}<br />
{{nihongo|'''{{H:title|Daiyousei|This is unofficial name, but it may have been used as a term by ZUN}}'''|大妖精}} is a greater [[fairy]] who lives around the [[Misty Lake]] near the [[Scarlet Devil Mansion]]. Like other fairies, she's cheerful and mischievous, simple and emotional. Little is known about her.<br />
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==General Information==<br />
In response to questions from fans, [[ZUN]] revealed some hints about her such as "Ordinary fairies are weaker than humans. Greater fairies are mightier than other fairies."{{reference needed|source}} Cirno is said to be a very special exception in ''[[Phantasmagoria of Flower View]]'', but according to this, "Greater Fairy" seems to be a generic term for some mighty fairies, although it's usually regarded as a personal name. She's said to be one of the normal-enemy class (not boss-class) characters.<br />
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==Character Design==<br />
===Name===<br />
Daiyousei wasn't given an official name at the time ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'' was released. ZUN confirmed soon after that she didn't have any official name, though he had done rough sketches for face graphics and initially planned for her, as well as [[Koakuma]], to have their own spell cards.<ref>[[ZUN's reply to messages on the former Gensou Bulletin Board 1]]</ref> Fans nicknamed her {{nihongo|''Daiyousei''|大妖精||lit. "Big Fairy" or "Greater Fairy"}}. [[ZUN]] later used this nickname in an [[ZUN%27s_reply_to_messages_on_the_former_Gensou_Bulletin_Board_1|interview]], although he probably used it as a general term for all stronger-than-normal fairies, so the name ''Daiyousei'' is still not really official as it's a semi-official name.<br />
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The data files for ''[[Fairy Wars]]'' reveals that the file name for her sprites is called "enemy_bf.anm", furthering her identification. "bf" is likely an abbreviation for "Big Fairy".<br />
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===Design===<br />
[[File:Th06Daiyousei.png|thumb|right|Sprite of Daiyousei in ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'']]<br />
The design of Daiyousei appears to show that she has short green hair with a yellow ribbon. She wears a blue dress with white trim and sleeves and also has golden wings. The sprite in ''[[Fairy Wars]]'' shows that she was holding a bouquet of flowers.<br />
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==Story==<br />
===Games===<br />
;''Embodiment of Scarlet Devil''<br />
{{Main|Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Story|l1=Embodiment of Scarlet Devil Story}}<br />
During the events of ''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'' the heroine was attacked by Daiyousei while flying over the [[Misty Lake]] around the [[Scarlet Devil Mansion]]. Very little is known about her, even why she attacked the heroine, and she had no importance to the story.<br />
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===Literature===<br />
In ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'', she was simply shown to be playing hide and seek with [[Cirno]].<br />
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==Relationships==<br />
===Cirno===<br />
Daiyousei is first seen (presumably) associated with [[Cirno]] in ''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]'' Chapter 13 where both of them were playing hide and seek. After meeting and talking with the [[Three Fairies of Light]], Cirno appears to have completely forgotten about Daiyousei. She was later seen attacking Cirno in ''[[Fairy Wars]]''.<br />
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===Letty Whiterock===<br />
Daiyousei and Cirno both attend the third Tori no Ichi with [[Letty Whiterock]] in ''[[Wild and Horned Hermit]]''.<br />
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==Additional Information==<br />
*Her appearance in ''[[Fairy Wars]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki> Extra stage with [[Lily White]] marks the second ever appearance as a double midboss in the ''[[Touhou Project]]'', where as the first time shown as a double midboss was the [[Two Red Dots]], which are two strange creatures.<br />
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==Fandom==<br />
*'''Senior''': In many fan-fictions, she's described as [[Cirno]]'s senior (usually; they aren't related by blood). In these fictions she is depicted as timid, shy and very kind, especially to Cirno, although still weaker than Cirno.<br />
*'''Leader''': She's sometimes regarded as the elder or leader of all of the [[fairy|fairies]] living around the lake.<br />
*'''Large chest''': Many fan works interpret "big fairy" or "greater fairy" as meaning having noticeably larger breasts than other fairies or just having large breasts in general.<br />
*'''Big vs. Small''': Some fanarts like to joke about how the "big fairy" is small and the "little devil" ([[Koakuma]]) is big.<br />
*'''DAi-chan''': As an abbreviation of "Daiyousei", the affectionate name for her is {{nihongo|''Dai-chan''|大ちゃん}}.<br />
*'''DIE-yousei''': When she takes on a darker personality and/or is thought of been unusually strong, she is sometimes called {{nihongo|DIE-yousei|DIE妖精}}. This has been used recently to refer to her when she showed up in ''[[Fairy Wars]]''.<br />
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==Official Sources==<br />
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*2002/08/11 '''[[Embodiment of Scarlet Devil]]'''<br />
*2007/09/26 '''[[Strange and Bright Nature Deity]]''' - Chapter 13<br />
*2010/08/14 '''[[Fairy Wars]]'''<br />
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[[Category:Unnamed Characters]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Double_Dealing_Character&diff=325422Double Dealing Character2014-08-11T21:37:36Z<p>Karob: /* Gameplay */</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Game<br />
| type = official game<br />
| titleN = {{ruby-ja|東方輝針城|とうほうきしんじょう}}<br />
| titleEn = Double Dealing Character<br />
| image = [[File:Th14cover.jpg|256px]]<br />
| developer1 = [[Team Shanghai Alice]]<br />
| publisher1 = [[Team Shanghai Alice]]<br />
| publisher1Cat = Team Shanghai Alice<br />
| released = Trial 0.01a: May 26, 2013 (Reitaisai 10)<br />
Trial 0.01b: July 19, 2013 (Web release)<br />
Full version: August 12, 2013<br />
| convention = Comiket 84<br />
| genre1 = Vertical Danmaku Shooting<br />
| gameplay = Single-Player Story Mode<br />
| platforms = [[Windows]] [[wikipedia:Windows Vista|Vista]]/[[wikipedia:Windows 7|7]]/[[wikipedia:Windows 8|8]]<br />
| requirements = *256MB+ of VRAM<br />
*DirectSound<br />
*DirectX 9.0c (June 2010)<br />
}}<br />
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{{nihongo||東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character|'''Touhou Kishinjou ~ Double Dealing Character'''|lit. "''Eastern Castle of Shining Needles''"}} is the fourteenth official game of the ''[[Touhou Project]]''. It was announced by [[ZUN]] on his personal blog on May 11, 2013, at 5:00&nbsp;AM [[wikipedia:Japan Standard Time|JST]].<ref name="blog_announcement">{{cite web|url=http://kourindou.exblog.jp/20469044/|title=東方Project 第14弾の情報です|author=[[ZUN]]|work=Invisible Games and Japanese|publisher=[[Team Shanghai Alice]]|trans_title=Touhou Project #14 Announcement||date=11 May 2013|language=Japanese|accessdate=10 May 2013}}</ref> A playable demo containing the first three stages was released on May 26, 2013, at [[Reitaisai|Reitaisai 10]]. The full game was released on August 12, 2013, at [[Comiket 84]].<br />
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==Gameplay==<br />
{{Main|/Gameplay|l1=Gameplay|/Gameplay/Strategy|l2=Strategy|/Spell Cards|l3=Spell Cards}}<br />
The three main playable characters are [[Reimu Hakurei]], [[Marisa Kirisame]], and [[Sakuya Izayoi]], each of which have two different shot types. The major new gameplay mechanic in the game lies within the [[point of collection]] and the auto-collection of items. When you auto-collect items, either by entering the point of collection or by using a bomb, you will get a bonus item if you gather enough point or power items all at once. The bonus item differs between a bomb piece (at least 20 point or powers items) or a life piece (at least 60 point or power items). Every 5th bomb piece is replaced with a life piece.<br />
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Similar to ''[[Undefined Fantastic Object]]'', lives and bombs are gained piece by piece. The player requires 3 life pieces to gain an extra life. 8 bomb pieces grants the player an additional bomb, and this amount never changes. Bosses may also drop bomb or life pieces.<br />
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The game also features Spell Practice mode, and each stage does not have to be finished in order to unlock it for Practice Mode, only attempted.<br />
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==Concept==<br />
[[ZUN]] focused on creating a simple game for ''Double Dealing Character'', and thus he removed some complicated game mechanics in order to create what he calls a "neither new nor retro 2000s neo-retro danmaku shooter".<ref name="blog_announcement"/> From the currently released screenshots, it does indeed appear that the unique gameplay system normally present in the series is absent, making it akin to ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'' in terms of style.<br />
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In his original blog announcement, ZUN stated that the resolution of the game would be doubled from 640×480 to 1280×960. He also said that the game was being developed to be resolution-independent, but that those with higher-end computers would be able to enjoy the higher resolution.<br />
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==Story==<br />
{{Main|/Story|l1=Story|/Translation|l2=Translation|/Characters|l3=Characters}}<br />
[[Youkai]] are rebelling, and tsukumogami are turning up; no one knows what's happening, clouds are gathering, and a strong wind carries the sounds of a huge building. Gensokyo is full of the sounds of dissonance. The individual weapons of the three protagonists are starting to act oddly. It's their job to either take their weapons in hand and fight the youkai, or to cast their weapons aside.<br />
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==Press==<br />
''Double Dealing Character'' was first announced on ZUN's personal blog on May 11, 2013, along with a short explanation of the gameplay, confirmation on the playable characters and five in-development screenshots. It also included a basic story outline.<ref name="blog_announcement" /> On July 19, 2013, ZUN updated his blog announcing that the web demo was available for download in the official [[Team Shanghai Alice]] page with minor bug fixes along with a short intro story.<br />
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Four days after the release of the full game at [[Comiket 84]], ZUN released a v1.00b patch to fix bugs, such as the crash that happened with certain characters after stage 4. <br />
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On August 10, 2014, it was announced by [https://twitter.com/korindo/status/498700083521536001 ZUN] and [https://twitter.com/playismJP/status/498698271666106369 Playism] that it would be available for digital download on [http://playism.jp/games/th14/ Playism] beginning August 13.<br />
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==Music==<br />
{{Main|/Music|l1=Music}}<br />
''Double Dealing Character'' has a total of 17 tracks by [[ZUN]], with seven stage and seven boss themes, a title screen theme, an ending theme and a staff roll theme. An eighteenth track is the player score theme, which was taken from ''[[Fairy Wars]]'' (Which is origially from ''[[Mountain of Faith]]'').<br />
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The [[Theme of Eastern Story]] appears a few times in some songs. Just like any other [[Windows]] game, the title screen is based on this melody. Also the stage 3 theme "Bamboo Forest of the Full Moon" and the stage 4 boss theme "Illusionary Joururi" has this melody that is easily heard. Later on, [[Seija Kijin]]'s theme ''Reverse Ideology'' was used on the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XZ1w-vvwI official trailer] for ''[[Impossible Spell Card]]'' and in the said game itself. Another two themes (''Mermaid from the Uncharted Land'' and ''Illusionary Joururi'') were also re-used in the said game.<br />
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==English patches==<br />
The following [http://thpatch.net/wiki/Project:Download Touhou Community Reliant Automatic Patcher] repositories provide complete translations of {{PAGENAME}}:<br />
; Touhou Patch Center (<tt>http://srv.thpatch.net/</tt>)<br />
* <tt>lang_en</tt> - Community translation from the [http://thpatch.net Touhou Patch Center] wiki<br />
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There is also [[Double_Dealing_Character:_English_patch|a statically translated version of custom.exe]].<br />
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==External Links==<br />
===Official===<br />
*[http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/th14top.html Double Dealing Character official website] (Japanese)<br />
*[http://mirror.tsundere.ne.jp/download/teamshanghaialice/51ec6d98a1b0c8186442857fcfe91274/setup_th14_001b.zip Double Dealing Character web trial v0.01b download]<br />
*[http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/data/soft/th14_update100b.exe Double Dealing Character Patch 1.00b]<br />
*[http://playism.jp/games/th14/ Playism Double Dealing Character website]<br />
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===Unofficial===<br />
*[http://www.mediafire.com/download/rim2ggepfn7m454 Windows XP compatibility patch for 1.00a]. ''Only'' necessary for v1.00a, v1.00b natively works on Windows XP.<br />
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[[zh:东方辉针城]]</div>Karobhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Impossible_Spell_Card&diff=325421Impossible Spell Card2014-08-11T21:30:15Z<p>Karob: /* Gameplay */</p>
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| type = official game<br />
| titleN = {{ruby-ja|弾幕アマノジャク|だんまくあまのじゃく}}<br />
| titleEn = Impossible Spell Card<br />
| image = [[File:Th143cover.jpg|256px|Impossible Spell Card]]<br />
| developer1 = [[Team Shanghai Alice]]<br />
| publisher1 = [[Team Shanghai Alice]]<br />
| publisher1Cat = Team Shanghai Alice<br />
| released = Full: May 11, 2014<br />
| convention = Reitaisai 11<br />
| genre1 = Single-player puzzle Danmaku shooting<br />
| gameplay =<br />
| platforms = [[Windows]] [[wikipedia:Windows 7|7]]/[[wikipedia:Windows 8|8]]/[[wikipedia:Windows Vista|Vista]]<br />
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{{nihongo||弾幕アマノジャク ~ Impossible Spell Card|'''[[Danmaku]] [[Amanojaku]] ~ Impossible Spell Card'''}} is a [[danmaku]] game and the 14.3rd official installment of the ''[[Touhou Project]]'', featuring [[Seija Kijin]] as the protagonist. The game was released at [[Reitaisai 11]]. As the title implies, it is a spinoff game consisting mostly of (near-)impossible-to-beat spell cards.<br />
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==Gameplay==<br />
{{Main|/Gameplay|l1=Gameplay|/Gameplay/Strategy|l2=Strategy|/Spell Cards|l3=Spell Cards}}<br />
The player controls [[Seija Kijin]], who uses a total of nine different "cheat" items to survive and clear spell cards.<br />
Before each card, Seija is equipped with a main item and possibly also a sub-item.<br />
The main item grants an activated ability with a limited number of uses while the sub-item grants a passive effect.<br />
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The items are:<br />
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;{{nihongo|Bloodthirsty [[Yin-Yang Orb]]|血に餓えた陰陽玉}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' allows Seija to teleport in front of the [[boss]], but the X button can be hold and moved around.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' making her hitbox smaller.<br />
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;{{nihongo|[[Tengu]]'s Toy Camera|天狗のトイカメラ}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' allows her to clear bullets using photographs.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' increases her movement speed.<br />
;{{nihongo|Gap Folding Umbrella|隙間の折りたたみ傘}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' allows her to teleport to the other side of the screen (vertical and horizontal); and holding the button will keep Seija hidden for a short period of time on the side she had teleported to.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' it allows 3 uses of itself (this takes priority over the main-item if pressing against the wall, but if it is used as both main and sub-item, the main will be used first), but you are not able to hid yourself when teleported.<br />
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;A {{nihongo|[[Miracle Mallet]] Replica|打ち出の小槌(レプリカ)}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' allows her to swipe the space in front of her, dealing damage to the [[boss]] if she is close enough.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' increases the amount of times the main-item can be used, or in the case of the ''Tengu's Toy Camera'', ''Four-Foot Magic Bomb'', and ''Ghastly Send-Off Lantern'', it increases their proficiency.<br />
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;{{nihongo|Substitute Jizo|身代わり地蔵}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' allows her to survive one hit.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' it allows 1 use of itself but the invincibility time after being hit is shortened.<br />
;{{nihongo|Cursed Decoy Doll|呪いのデコイ人形}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' allows her to lead aimed bullets away, meaning that every bullet nomally homing onto Seija will be aimed at the Doll.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' increases the bullet shot spread, covering a wider area.<br />
;{{nihongo|Four-Foot Magic Bomb|四尺マジックボム}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' after being released the bomb while stay activating and, after a while, it will explode clearing all the bullets around it.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' whenever Seija uses any of the main-items, bullets around her are erased by a explosion.<br />
;{{nihongo|Ghastly Send-Off Lantern|亡霊の送り提灯}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' allows her to become invincible for a limited amount of time.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' allows item use in the same way as counter-bombing.<br />
;{{nihongo|Nimble Fabric|ひらり布}}<br />
*'''''Main Ability:''''' allows her to hide in the nimble, thus becoming invincible for a short amount of time, during which she can't move nor shoot.<br />
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*'''''Passive Ability:''''' it allows 2 uses of itself, but only when the main-item is unusable.<br />
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==Name and Concept==<br />
This is the first official ''Touhou Project'' work that does not bear the kanji {{nihongo|Touhou|東方}} in its title. The Japanese part of the title starts with {{nihongo|"[[danmaku]]"|弾幕}}, referring to the main theme of the game, while {{nihongo|[[Amanojaku]]|アマノジャク}} refers to the playable character's species: [[Seija Kijin]]. The term "Impossible Spell Card" is describing what the game is about: dodging danmaku that's considered ''impossible'', but are actually possible since there's a trophy that can be achieved if clearing all [[spell card]]s without "cheating".<br />
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==Story==<br />
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Following the events of ''[[Double Dealing Character]]'', [[Seija Kijin]] has become a wanted [[amanojaku]] in [[Gensokyo]]. There has been signs saying that whoever captures her wins an reward. Since Seija has become a rebel, youkai have decided to use [[spell card]]s that's considered impossible to dodge, but Seija is determined to not give up and decides to cheat using the said items.<br />
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Later on however, the [[tengu]] have taken notice and have written up a newspaper about her mischief, which causes stronger [[youkai]] and [[human]]s to try and capture her.<br />
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==Music==<br />
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The soundtrack of ''Impossible Spell Card'' features a total of nine tracks. Four of these were directly taken from previous games, all used during dialogue within a [[spell card]]. The other themes, aside from the title screen, play during any other spell card.<br />
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The title screen, like any other, uses the motif from "[[Theme of Eastern Story]]", from the CD ''[[Akyu's Untouched Score vol.5]]''.<br />
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==Press==<br />
The game was announced by [[ZUN]] on April 12th, 2014, near the end of the internet broadcast "Chotto Summit ~ The Drinking Party of Indie Game Developers",<ref>http://live.nicovideo.jp/gate/lv174951611</ref> showcasing the promotional video later uploaded at Youtube.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XZ1w-vvwI</ref> A few weeks before the release, ZUN posted some info about the game and it's release on his blog.<br />
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The full game was later released at [[Reitaisai 11]] on May 11, 2014.<br />
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==External Links==<br />
===Official===<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XZ1w-vvwI Official Trailer]<br />
*[http://kourindou.exblog.jp/21894661/ Impossible Spell Card announced on ZUN's blog]<br />
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==References==<br />
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