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Talk:埼玉最終兵器 & Aether

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Revision as of 16:17, 20 April 2018 by Ycdtosa (talk | contribs) (Clearing up misinformation about SSH, reasons for moving the page, please give thoughts.)
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A few things need to be corrected, first this page should be moved to 埼玉最終兵器 & Aether as all albums on the page clearly state, Aether rarely arranges Touhou themes outside of this collaboration and has never released a Touhou arrangement album to the best of my knowledge. This is an example similar to Pizuya's Cell x MyonMyon and should be treated as such. I don't believe Live House S.S.H is a circle but simply Saitama's website, none of his albums that I'm aware of are released under that name, as far as I know they're all released under the name 埼玉最終兵器.

Another thing is the images, none of them are in the correct format, images should be uploaded using the catalog number, it would also help if the were properly categorized with the {{album|cover}}/{{album|banner}} template and circle category. Ycdtosa (talk) 03:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I had a feeling this was gonna happen. I'm really not 100% sure what the story is. Though also didn't know two circles collaborating was categorized as its own circle here. That seems odd and a bit inconsistent to me cause where do differentiate the two? Hachimitsu-Lemon and Aftergrow do collaboration albums in the same way but they weren't swallowed up into a Hachimitsu-Lemon x Aftergrow circle for organization here.
The thing is firstly it appears like Eru of Aether and Saitama of Live House S.S.H look to be two different people of two different circles. But while looking through the stuff Saitama of Live House S.S.H has done over the years (which is hard enough to tell cause they're considerably smaller plus their website is annoyingly incomplete) yes they collaborate with Eru of Aether exclusively. With the exception of singles released on other albums which I went and fixed a bunch of other albums as well. So for example Saitama is credited exclusively for Track 10 of disk 4 of 東方幻奏響UROBOROS肆 ~dEATHtINYoVERdRIVE~ but not Eru. Similarly there's stuff like 東方幻奏祀典2"Canon" where it's Eru who's credited exclusively and not Saitama.
But it doesn't go both ways, Aether by comparison has a much more detailed site and a much longer discography. Plus they've released albums by themselves plus collaborations albums with other circles as well. But the caveat there is none of those were Touhou related. All in all they seem separate enough to warrant separate pages especially considering all their albums credit each other as 埼玉最終兵器 & Aether as opposed to more direct collaborations like the Pizuya's Cell x MyonMyon example.
Long story short, what is the standard we want cause it's fairly inconsistent across the site. Should collaborations between two circles still be listed on each circles Discography page like some are done across this wiki? Or should collaborations between circles get their own page for said collaborations like other examples here as well? Personally I like the way it looks on the former cause it's then all on the same page, but perhaps a separation between solo discographies and collaborations works for the sake of cleaning clutter. Like how A-One has LUNATIC TOHO listed in its own section, that but for collaborations with circles X, Y, and Z.
Also, are you sure Live House S.S.H isn't the name of the circle? Cause I've seen people credit 埼玉最終兵器 in the same way they credit Eru, with that being the name of the artist, not the circle. But at the same time I've also seen 埼玉最終兵器 referred to in the same way I've seen Aether credited so I'm not sure. So the name Live House S.S.H really seemed like the name of the circle considering the way Saitama uses it.
And I was not aware there was a standard for album images. But saying that no one said anything before isn't an excuse so I'll just make sure to do it right from now on.--Megaman-Omega (talk) 13:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Allot of this stems for some misconceptions about SSH, so first lets sort that out. You can check 埼玉最終兵器's vgmdb page for more info but the short version is 埼玉最終兵器 have in fact released their their own original doujin albums, contributed to projects outside of their collaboration with Aether including composing original soundtracks, and have been active since 2002 which is actually the same year Eru showed up. If you were looking for albums by "Live House S.S.H" that could explain how you missed this, in this case 埼玉最終兵器 is both the artist (originally a unit made up of 2 by the way) and the circe, none of their albums are credited to "Live House S.S.H" but instead to 埼玉最終兵器 (ssh JP wikiepedia, itunes page, japanese used goods store).
With that said, this is also something of a special case and technically up for debate, which is why I didn't move the page before posting on the talk page despite seeing no reason not to move it. Although, if you're looking for a standard I don't believe one has been codified in any guidelines as of yet, the precedent has primarily been for collaborations to be listed on their respective circle's pages (sometimes in addition to a combined circle page), but in this case that would mean a page for Aether and 埼玉最終兵器 that are almost identical. In this case I believe a combined circle page is preferable since the individual circles' discographies have little to do with Touhou meaning there's nothing relevant lost by consolidating them, that's the major distinction between this case and Hachimitsu-Lemon and Aftergrow for example. I'd like to leave the decision up to you since your the one editing the page, but the page must be changed since it was made with some inaccurate information regarding SSH. I'd recommend a combined page but if you have another idea I'll leave it to up you. Ycdtosa (talk) 16:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)