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== Relationships ==
At the moment her relationships only has one person, same to mayohiga.net, but if we don't separate settings from PC-98 series like mayohiga.net does, probably we also could add Shinki to there as she swears she created everything in Demon's world - where Alice come from.
At the moment her relationships only has one person, same to mayohiga.net, but if we don't separate settings from PC-98 series like mayohiga.net does, probably we also could add Shinki to there as she swears she created everything in Demon's world - where Alice come from.
Well, there're many difference between old and new settings that would cause many conflicts, so separating em wouldn't be a bad idea though... it's kind of "Do we make her as an exception?".
Well, there're many difference between old and new settings that would cause many conflicts, so separating em wouldn't be a bad idea though... it's kind of "Do we make her as an exception?". {{Unsigned|Aona|17:49, 31 May 2005 (UTC)}}
:FWIW, Marisa's Relationships section has Mima in it. -- [[User:Kitsune Inari|Inari, the mischievous fox =^·^=]]


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:Hmm...


Hmm...
:Other than that, they're also different in using [[Forest of Magic|forest]]'s mushroom as preference or not. {{Unsigned|J5983|00:11, 27 August 2005 (UTC)}}


Other than that, they're also different in using [[Forest of Magic|forest]]'s mushroom as preference or not.<br/>
::FWIW, Marisa's Relationships section has Mima in it. -- [[User:Kitsune Inari|Inari, the mischievous fox =^·^=]] <small>&mdash;Preceding undated comment added 22:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</small>
 
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== Fun Facts ==
I removed this from Fun Facts:
I removed this from Fun Facts:


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If someone wants to put back the note about Bucresti/Bucharest without the speculation, feel free, but I don't think it's necessary. -[[User:7HS|7HS]] 09:22, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
If someone wants to put back the note about Bucresti/Bucharest without the speculation, feel free, but I don't think it's necessary. -[[User:7HS|7HS]] 09:22, 29 September 2006 (PDT)


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== SuperGALS ==
 
I think she kind of reminds me of Ran Kotobuki from SuperGALS...anyone else seeing this resemblance? [[User:Lunais|Lunais]] 15:15, 9 March 2007 (PST)
I think she kind of reminds me of Ran Kotobuki from SuperGALS...anyone else seeing this resemblance? [[User:Lunais|Lunais]] 15:15, 9 March 2007 (PST)


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== Magician vs. doll specialist ==
 
From perfect memento- ''"However, her history as a magician is shallow, and she is a novice.''"
From perfect memento- ''"However, her history as a magician is shallow, and she is a novice.''"


Alice's profile has said for a while now ''"She really is a doll specialist, but dolls are more like a hobby in comparison to her full power."''
Alice's profile has said for a while now ''"She really is a doll specialist, but dolls are more like a hobby in comparison to her full power."''


Are we just confusing PC-98 Alice with Windows Alice? It seems like she isn't really a super strong magician and this "hobby" of hers seems to consume all of her time and effort from PCB and on. -[[User:Redpanda|Redpanda]]
Are we just confusing PC-98 Alice with Windows Alice? It seems like she isn't really a super strong magician and this "hobby" of hers seems to consume all of her time and effort from PCB and on. -[[User:Redpanda|Redpanda]] <small>&mdash;Preceding undated comment added 15:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</small>
 
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More likely she was a magician first (PC-98 days) and became a doll "specialist" (read: otaku) sometime between Touhou 5 and Touhou 6. However, due to her "shallow" history as a magician she might prefer to focus power through her dolls for better control. Does that work? - Unregistered
:More likely she was a magician first (PC-98 days) and became a doll "specialist" (read: otaku) sometime between Touhou 5 and Touhou 6. However, due to her "shallow" history as a magician she might prefer to focus power through her dolls for better control. Does that work? - Unregistered {{Unsigned|137.132.3.11|02:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)}}


== The Origin of 'Margatroid' ==
== The Origin of 'Margatroid' ==
Has it been definitively established that Alice's last name is a reference from an Agatha Christie novel?
Has it been definitively established that Alice's last name is a reference from an Agatha Christie novel?


As an older fan, my first thought when I heard her last name was of the Hanna-Barbara character [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snagglepuss  Snagglepuss] and his catchphrase "Heavens to ''Murgatroid''".
As an older fan, my first thought when I heard her last name was of the Hanna-Barbara character [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snagglepuss  Snagglepuss] and his catchphrase "Heavens to ''Murgatroid''".
The fact that in her first appearance--Mystic Square-- she wears primarily pink and Snagglepuss is a pink mountain lion also sounds a little suspicious to me...
The fact that in her first appearance--Mystic Square-- she wears primarily pink and Snagglepuss is a pink mountain lion also sounds a little suspicious to me...


Another piece of trivial knowledge that may or may not be useful:  
Another piece of trivial knowledge that may or may not be useful:  
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--[[Special:Contributions/75.175.109.229|75.175.109.229]] 10:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Something Clever
--[[Special:Contributions/75.175.109.229|75.175.109.229]] 10:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Something Clever


* Great piece of knowledge there. It's very possible, since ZUN already inspired himself from Agatha Christie (an example with "And Then Will There Be None?", one of Flan's spell cards that refers to the song in Ten Little Niggers, the final line being: "And Then There Were None", if I'm not wrong). [[User:DarkHedge|DarkHedge]] 11:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:Great piece of knowledge there. It's very possible, since ZUN already inspired himself from Agatha Christie (an example with "And Then Will There Be None?", one of Flan's spell cards that refers to the song in Ten Little Niggers, the final line being: "And Then There Were None", if I'm not wrong). [[User:DarkHedge|DarkHedge]] 11:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Alice not considering herself human ==
I just looked through Alice's Mystic Square dialogue in Reimu's scenario: "A human like you coming here means that you're prepared to face us, right!?"
I just looked through Alice's Mystic Square dialogue in Reimu's scenario: "A human like you coming here means that you're prepared to face us, right!?"


I get the implication that Alice did not consider herself human, and considers herself part of Makai. Alternatively, she could have just meant her familiars/dolls she uses in her boss fight.[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 1:46, 23 August 2009 (EST)
I get the implication that Alice did not consider herself human, and considers herself part of Makai. Alternatively, she could have just meant her familiars/dolls she uses in her boss fight.[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 1:46, 23 August 2009 (EST)

Revision as of 22:05, 23 August 2009

Relationships

At the moment her relationships only has one person, same to mayohiga.net, but if we don't separate settings from PC-98 series like mayohiga.net does, probably we also could add Shinki to there as she swears she created everything in Demon's world - where Alice come from. Well, there're many difference between old and new settings that would cause many conflicts, so separating em wouldn't be a bad idea though... it's kind of "Do we make her as an exception?". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aona (talkcontribs) 17:49, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...
Other than that, they're also different in using forest's mushroom as preference or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by J5983 (talkcontribs) 00:11, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
FWIW, Marisa's Relationships section has Mima in it. -- Inari, the mischievous fox =^·^= —Preceding undated comment added 22:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Fun Facts

I removed this from Fun Facts:

  • in Perfect Cherry Blossom, the theme of Alice's stage is ' ブクレシュティの人形師 ', which translates to "The Doll Maker of Bucresti". Bucresti is better known as Bucharest, the capital of Romania. Alice's appearance might be based on the girl in the Seal of Bucharest. (... this is just pure speculation.) [FIXME: investigate more about that girl]

This is because the image of the Seal of Bucharest linked appears to be atypical. [1] depicts an (apparently) male figure in the girl's place, who is described in the text as Saint Dimitrie Basarabov, the city's patron saint.

If someone wants to put back the note about Bucresti/Bucharest without the speculation, feel free, but I don't think it's necessary. -7HS 09:22, 29 September 2006 (PDT)

SuperGALS

I think she kind of reminds me of Ran Kotobuki from SuperGALS...anyone else seeing this resemblance? Lunais 15:15, 9 March 2007 (PST)

Magician vs. doll specialist

From perfect memento- "However, her history as a magician is shallow, and she is a novice."

Alice's profile has said for a while now "She really is a doll specialist, but dolls are more like a hobby in comparison to her full power."

Are we just confusing PC-98 Alice with Windows Alice? It seems like she isn't really a super strong magician and this "hobby" of hers seems to consume all of her time and effort from PCB and on. -Redpanda —Preceding undated comment added 15:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

More likely she was a magician first (PC-98 days) and became a doll "specialist" (read: otaku) sometime between Touhou 5 and Touhou 6. However, due to her "shallow" history as a magician she might prefer to focus power through her dolls for better control. Does that work? - Unregistered —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.3.11 (talkcontribs) 02:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The Origin of 'Margatroid'

Has it been definitively established that Alice's last name is a reference from an Agatha Christie novel?

As an older fan, my first thought when I heard her last name was of the Hanna-Barbara character Snagglepuss and his catchphrase "Heavens to Murgatroid". The fact that in her first appearance--Mystic Square-- she wears primarily pink and Snagglepuss is a pink mountain lion also sounds a little suspicious to me...

Another piece of trivial knowledge that may or may not be useful: The surname Murgatroyd roughly means Moor Gate Road or, "the district leading to the moor".

In legend and literature moors are wild places where one could likely encounter the supernatural, from Pixies to the Devil himself. Interpret that as you wish... --75.175.109.229 10:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Something Clever

Great piece of knowledge there. It's very possible, since ZUN already inspired himself from Agatha Christie (an example with "And Then Will There Be None?", one of Flan's spell cards that refers to the song in Ten Little Niggers, the final line being: "And Then There Were None", if I'm not wrong). DarkHedge 11:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Alice not considering herself human

I just looked through Alice's Mystic Square dialogue in Reimu's scenario: "A human like you coming here means that you're prepared to face us, right!?"

I get the implication that Alice did not consider herself human, and considers herself part of Makai. Alternatively, she could have just meant her familiars/dolls she uses in her boss fight.Universalperson 1:46, 23 August 2009 (EST)