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:Awww. How disappointing~ I don't even see my rpg listed here at all! Then again, I wouldn't be surprised since I don't even know how many know if its existence ^^;... [[User:Xenomic|Xenomic]] 07:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 
:Awww. How disappointing~ I don't even see my rpg listed here at all! Then again, I wouldn't be surprised since I don't even know how many know if its existence ^^;... [[User:Xenomic|Xenomic]] 07:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 
::What's the game called? You know you can add the game... --[[User:Tony64|Tony64]] <sup>([[User Talk:Tony64|Talk]])</sup> 12:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 
::What's the game called? You know you can add the game... --[[User:Tony64|Tony64]] <sup>([[User Talk:Tony64|Talk]])</sup> 12:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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:::Touhou Fantasy. Reason I haven't yet is because I feel uncomfortable doing so for some reason. Dunno, maybe because it's still a beta and not fully done, but then again, I don't know... [[User:Xenomic|Xenomic]] 23:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
  
 
== 洩矢の旅 ~ I Wanna Be The God ==
 
== 洩矢の旅 ~ I Wanna Be The God ==

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Toss everything else in here. The front page will be reserved for games that are more official or sanctioned than the others.

I don't see what Kurukuri (by Chibitami) has to do with Touhou other than the fact that both of them feature lolis.--165.21.154.111 01:03, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
Uh... Neither do I. Sorry, dunno how that one made it into my Flash games link dump. Thanks for pointing it out. -Winane 01:36, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
I recently came across a youtube video [1] showing footage of a game (東方神魔宴) not featured on this page. Anyone know what that is? Perhaps yet another game made in Danmakufu? 88.217.45.254
The Momiji rogue game is confusing me, does anyone have a guide or something?
Hey guys, I discovered a fangame (Mrs.エスタシオン) with original characters but with Touhou-like music and impressive graphics. [2] - Yui Takenaka 17:13, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys I discovered one thing, one blog, [3]. Probably if you find someone with more information on Touhou Fangames, you might actually prove me wrong... I will post the link here, since it is not related to anything else, and it can provide somewhat fun to people actually looking for games to play... Berzul 05:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Awww. How disappointing~ I don't even see my rpg listed here at all! Then again, I wouldn't be surprised since I don't even know how many know if its existence ^^;... Xenomic 07:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
What's the game called? You know you can add the game... --Tony64 (Talk) 12:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Touhou Fantasy. Reason I haven't yet is because I feel uncomfortable doing so for some reason. Dunno, maybe because it's still a beta and not fully done, but then again, I don't know... Xenomic 23:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

洩矢の旅 ~ I Wanna Be The God[edit]

A game by UTG Software featuring Suwako (and has Chelsea from Bunny Must Die as a hidden TLB). Plays like Mario/I Wanna Be The Guy with horizontal danmaku bosses. Wondering why it's not in the page.

Touhou RPG: Defiant of Shrine Maiden[edit]

The project site is: http://www.hachikuma.net/

Video ("official" video for the RPG?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmvUWHCLGuM

Touhou reference in Fate/stay night[edit]

Not a character cameo, but I think it counts in spirit: The second Tiger Dojo extra skit (after getting 20 Tiger Stamps) is a brief danmaku battle between Rin and Sakura, complete with a fake stage introduction and spellcards. I guess it's because TYPE-MOON was a doujin circle before going commercial. --Moogle Warrior 20:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Clean up! New layouts![edit]

We really need to do something about this section. I came in here to add a game that wasn't on the list and had a hard time just trying to add something. It's really cluttered and the pages are all over the place it seems. The summaries are unstructured and everything.

For starters, maybe we could have like a table that will organize the information like they have here.

Eventually, we should come up with some standard categories for each game itself, such as an "Overview" and maybe "System Info" and "Gameplay". The idea here is that it doesn't matter what type of game it is, a game in the end is just a game and everything about the game can be described and categorized accordingly.

Currently some of the pages use the Infobox Touhou template, which looks pretty good. But we can probably go further and define further guidelines to use. --Tsukihime 17:34, 26 December 2010 (PST)

Just for backup purposes from the cards section
Mugendai has recently made some templates that will hopefully replace the existing page. I've converted the Cards section for now. --Tsukihime 17:49, 27 December 2010 (PST)

Seihou[edit]

Since we already have a page dedicated to seihou games, why is it a section here? --Tsukihime 20:47, 26 December 2010 (PST)

Name unification[edit]

Now it appears that articles about games are named randomly. Some of them are in romaji, some in Japanese kana/kanji. I think this thing should be unificated. While we have article about official game named as Touhou Hisoutensoku not 東方非想天則, I propose to rename all Japanese spelled articles into romaji. --Coyc 16:00, 27 December 2010 (PST)

I'd say all of the articles should be romanji simply because it is much easier to type/read for the vast majority of the audience; myself included. The only problem is that the romanji is rarely included with the game and I don't have the necessary Japanese knowledge to write the romanji for a game if I were to add a bunch of games to the list from Operation Jaguar or something else. -- Qazmlpok 17:45, 27 December 2010 (PST)
My idea is to have both the original name as well as the english (or romanized, if english is unavailable) name. For search purposes, it would be easier. For sure we should HAVE romanizations or translations for every title so that people can actually read it/say it. --Tsukihime 17:57, 27 December 2010 (PST)

Genre Definitions[edit]

Since I'm not an avid gamer, can someone outline some basic characteristics for each of the genres we have? And perhaps any additional ones that we could add? --Tsukihime 18:16, 1 January 2011 (PST)

Not really that much of a gamer, but here are some quick Wikipedia inspired summaries:

  • Beat 'em up - Fight multitudes of enemies, usually in close combat. Beat boss at end of level. Go to next level and repeat. Related to the Hack and Slash, which has a bigger emphasis on weapons.
  • Card - Card battle games like Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh, or the Pokemon trading card game.
  • Danmaku - Dodge bullets and shoot bullets. Touhou.
  • Fighting - One-on-one fighting. Street Fighter, King of Fighters, the Touhou fighters, etc.
  • Platformer - Mario, Castlevania, basically anything with platforms.
  • Puzzle - Solve puzzles. Really broad genre.
  • Racing - Race to the track finish!
  • Rhythm - DDR.
  • RPG - Level up your party characters by fighting monsters and gaining experience and new skills! Complete quests! Follow the story line! Final Fantasy, etc.
  • Seihou - A series.
  • Sports - Anything involving sports.
  • Strategy - "Strategy video games focus on gameplay requiring careful and skillful thinking and planning in order to achieve victory." Kind of broad, but includes real-time (Starcraft), turn-based (Advance Wars), 4X (eXplore, eXpand, eXploit and eXterminate) like Civilization, or even tower defense.
  • Tactical RPG - Turn-based strategy game meets the individual character aspect of the RPG. Fire Emblem, Super Robot Wars. There should be more of these. O_O
  • Flash - Flash games. Can be any genre, really.
  • Visual Novel - Walls of text and lots of story, but with pictures! Like a choose your own adventure (or not) illustrated storybook. Can be like a dating sim, with multiple routes/girls/ends. Sengoku Gensokyo is interesting because it's a "conquest simulation" game, whatever that means.

As for new categories, I'm not sure Tower Defense should really be lumped with Strategy, but it's a very small category so I suppose it's fine. You can take a look at more categories here: Wikipedia TvTropes Pufferfish101 23:00, 1 January 2011 (PST)

Haphazard Game Ordering[edit]

Right now the games for each category are for the most part randomly ordered without any clear pattern (save game sequels, and not even all of those are grouped together). Should we perhaps change the default ordering to be based on Publisher, Release Date, Popularity, Name, etc? None of these really work, but almost anything would be better than what we have now. Thoughts please. Pufferfish101 21:59, 1 January 2011 (PST)

I've had the same concern. I think rearrangement depending on date would be pretty useful. As for the sequels, if people are looking for a sequel to a certain game, all they have to do is look under the date when that game was released (since a sequel would be released after the original one so the sequel would not be placed above the original). Still if the sequel issue takes priority, then probably ordering by title would be more efficient (since sequels usually share names, don't they?) Deathsoul4 23:07, 1 January 2011 (PST)
Just some clearing up: By sharing names I mean sequels sometimes have similar names (like the Harry Potter Series). Also if we'd go by arrangement by title, then I'd suggest arranging in order of romanization, since many of the titles are in Japanese, and if the game title is already in English, then we can just go by that English title. Deathsoul4 23:10, 1 January 2011 (PST)
Ya, there was some agreement on sorting by romanized title, and then japanese title (of course, that probably means randomly throw it at the end). When the page was re-designed I was supposed to order them by name. Didn't really get to it though lol. I would think sequels would be ordered correctly regardless whether we sort it by date or title. Anyways since all of the entries are uniform I can probably amuse myself by coming up with some script where you just copy all of the entry templates and it'll output them based on the specified sorting scheme (translated title, release year, etc.) --Tsukihime 23:24, 1 January 2011 (PST)
You know what would be really great? If we could just take the sorting script that was made for the table and just use it to re-order the entries. Saves so much time :| --Tsukihime 14:44, 3 January 2011 (PST)
The table is set up as sortable; at the click of a button you can re-order it by title, language, publisher, release, and description. Which is honestly rather silly; it should be possible to modify the table to only allow sorting by title and release; sorting by description is meaningless, publisher I can't see much use for, and language is misleading.
If you really want to manually sort it somehow, I would recommend sorting it by date released but giving special preference to sequels. So TPW, TPW EVO, and EVO+ should all be next to each other despite the time difference between their releases. Just how I'd do it. -- Qazmlpok 15:19, 3 January 2011 (PST)

Game infobox template[edit]

Right now some of the pages use Template:Infobox_Touhou to display the info. Which is great, as most games generally use the same fields anyways. However, in an effort to categorize all doujin products, I want to add a field for the convention that it's released in so that it will be automatically categorized (and then we could possibly do more stuff with it later). But several problems arise:

  • multiple release dates (ie: trial, trial+, full)
  • multiple conventions

And possibly more. How should we effectively incorporate the convention information? --Tsukihime 02:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

"Other games"?[edit]

I mean what is "Other games"? Doujin games? Other games made by ZUN? Or what? It's not obvious from the title. I propose renaming this article to either "List of fangames" or "List of Touhou fangames". --WGH 14:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Games not made by ZUN that are somehow related to Touhou, either because they are touhou fangames, ZUN contributed music, or are related to amusement makers. "Touhou fangames" currently isn't accurate as it includes Samidare; seihou probably also isn't considered a touhou fangame. I think hollow world of god was on the list too, but I can't find it (assuming I didn't just forget the name). -- Qazmlpok 15:13, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, most of the games here are Touhou fangames. Other ones can be safely moved to separate articles. --WGH 15:45, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Whatever happens, we should make sure all the games are still easily reachable from the front page. Right now the main page only lists the main games, Seihou, and "Other Games." Maybe change the name to something that gives the feel of "Derivative Games" or "Related Games." We don't really need "List of" though. Pufferfish101 19:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Is Magus in Mystic Geometries not considered a fangame for any reason? I think it should be listed on both pages, like touhou unreal mahjong. -- Qazmlpok 13:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, haven't checked all the games. This one doesn't have "Touhou" in its short description :). --WGH 13:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

New infobox template[edit]

I've separated fangame infoboxes from the generic "infobox touhou" template. This new template currently looks exactly the same as infobox touhou except auto-categorizes the publisher and convention and places it in the fangames category.

It includes a separated convention parameter which should be used for the full version (meaning, none of the trials or expansions, if they appear in the same article).

Changing the existing templates is pretty simple: just point to infobox fangame and separate the full version convention into a separate field --Tsukihime 14:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Character references in descriptions[edit]

When a game references a character in its description (e.g., DynaMarisa: "3D action game starring Marisa Kirisame"), should one add a wikilink to the character's page? If so, there's a lot of wikilinking to be done. --Fallingcirno 19:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It would be good. That's what wikilinking is about. Don't go as far as "is a game featuring [[a]], [[b]], [[c]], ... [[z]]" though. --WGH 20:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, if there are only a few controllable characters, then just put them, but don't if there are more than a few. A related issue: repeated links. Should we add a wikilink for every time a character is referenced, or just the first time? Personally, I'm thinking every time, but what do you think?
I agree. Because this is a list, and Wikipedia's manual of style states that lists are usually exceptions to this rule. --WGH 15:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

EoSD 3D[edit]

Don't know where to put this

Where to go?

--Tsukihime 13:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I would classify that as danmaku, 3D danmaku, or unsorted (like Master Burner). - Kiefmaster99 13:49, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Just post any game you found out that is Touhou?[edit]

So... I has this idea, browsing some of the pages of Touhou games developers. Since they have kinda similar style while making their games, it would be logic actually to create links to a page, that would give a list of games they produced. Some pages are made already, some have only links to the developer's page, most have nothing.... It might be handy, but might be not, since you just need to go to their page, where you can get all the info you want. Berzul 15:04, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Well the idea evolved, What I want to know really, if what do you think people want from this page? I find it just a general database of possible leads, maybe there will be no videos on Youtube, but on Nico there is plenty more than just games from here. On that note, I think we should discuss just that, should we actually change or add somekind of division of these games, not only by genre, but by circles, or releases (As in "released at Rentaisai")? Berzul 06:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind being able to search by different criteria, but it would seem difficult to implement on a wiki. Currently all game pages are categorized based on publisher, convention, and maybe genre. However the convention is pretty much just lumped with the rest of the products like music so it's not very useful. Perhaps a new category to distinguish the two. --Tsukihime 22:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)