https://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Hopeless_Masquerade/Story/Futo%27s_Scenario&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Hopeless Masquerade/Story/Futo's Scenario - Revision history2024-03-29T14:19:39ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Hopeless_Masquerade/Story/Futo%27s_Scenario&diff=370299&oldid=prevKyoriAsh: Unsigned2017-05-15T13:35:48Z<p>Unsigned</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Why is it that Futo refers to Miko as "Crown Prince"? Makes no sense since Miko is a girl...[[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] ([[User talk:MaronaPossessed|talk]]) 22:00, 20 June 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Why is it that Futo refers to Miko as "Crown Prince"? Makes no sense since Miko is a girl...[[User:MaronaPossessed|MaronaPossessed]] ([[User talk:MaronaPossessed|talk]]) 22:00, 20 June 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>KyoriAshhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Hopeless_Masquerade/Story/Futo%27s_Scenario&diff=370296&oldid=prevDrake Irving: /* Crown Prince? */2017-05-15T04:32:20Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Crown Prince?</span></span></p>
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</table>Drake Irvinghttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Hopeless_Masquerade/Story/Futo%27s_Scenario&diff=370272&oldid=prevUTW at 01:48, 14 May 20172017-05-14T01:48:03Z<p></p>
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</table>UTWhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Hopeless_Masquerade/Story/Futo%27s_Scenario&diff=296449&oldid=prevGilde at 22:51, 20 June 20132013-06-20T22:51:30Z<p></p>
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</table>Gildehttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Hopeless_Masquerade/Story/Futo%27s_Scenario&diff=296448&oldid=prevGilde at 22:49, 20 June 20132013-06-20T22:49:11Z<p></p>
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</table>Clarstehttps://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Hopeless_Masquerade/Story/Futo%27s_Scenario&diff=296445&oldid=prevClarste: /* Crown Prince? */2013-06-20T22:33:49Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Crown Prince?</span></span></p>
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