Talk:Perfect Cherry Blossom

From Touhou Wiki
Revision as of 11:58, 17 October 2016 by Drake Irving (talk | contribs) (Inconsistencies with 妖々)
Jump to navigation Jump to search

Old discussion[edit]

Just realized that adding titles the way we've been doing it will somewhat botch the table of contents on top of looking ugly if a ToC is added. Will stop here. Any suggestions or fixes greatly appreciated. --Pent


The table of contents automatically appears if there are 4 or more "titles" in the article.

However, the table of contents can be explicitly turned off by using the command __NOTOC__ anywhere in the article.

Alternatively, the table of contents can be forced to appear at a specific place by placing __TOC__ at the place you want it to appear, even if there are less than 4 titles.

Also, you can use the larger "title" fonts without them counting as "titles" by replacing == Header 2 == with <h2> Header 2 </h2> , and so on.

So, you don't have to make changes because you're worried about how the table of contents will look. The article itself is more important; let's all focus on making those things look good and we'll be on our way to an excellent database.

--Leviathean 14:23, 29 Apr 2005 (PDT)


Could anyone more fluent in Japanese than me take a look at http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/西行 ? Besides the name being part of "Saigyouji", two of the poems at the bottom appear in PCB end-stages, so I think it's relevant. -7HS


仏には桜の花をたてまつれ我が後の世を人とぶらはば
In modern speech:もし私の後世(こうせい)を弔(とむら)ってくれる人がいるなら、仏前(ぶつぜん)には桜の花を献(けん)じてください。

願はくは花の下にて春死なんそのきさらぎの望月のころ
In modern speech:(もし死ぬのであれば、)願わくば、春、2月の満月の頃に(桜の)花の下で死にたいものだ。

Both of the poems are about cherry blossoms and his own death. Saigyo loved cherry blossoms very much. He actually made 230 poems about cherry blossoms! --Robert

Automated transfer of Problem Report #18374[edit]

The following message was left by MegaKirb17 via PR #18374 on 2009-02-08 01:37:31 UTC

Hey My Game wont play any music can you help?

You might want to check if you have the file thbgm.dat in your Perfect Cherry Blossom folder. If this file is not present, you will not be able to hear any wav sound, only MIDI. If the file is not present it can be found on the PCB CD. TOUHOU-Tyle 15:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Automated transfer of Problem Report #18387[edit]

The following message was left by MegaKirb17 via PR #18387 on 2009-02-08 09:17:23 UTC

Do i have to do something to get the BGM to work in the game? cause its not working

BGM[edit]

I don't really know where to direct this, but there are 2 versions of the BGM in Perfect Cherry Blossom.

Just, for instance, listen to this video I made: thumb|300px|left If it sounds just like in your game, please tell me where you bought your version.

if it DOESN'T sound like in your game, then here is the problem, the BGM extracted with the thbgmextractor sounds difference from ingame, and in some games versions, the extracted version and the ingame one matches.

Personally I don't like the extracted versions, I like more the [see video] like type of BGM. Wertoret 21:54, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: oh god I was sure freaking out! I just had to change Sound to Midi instead of Wav to have my preferred music :P

Just a note for all of you Wertoret 22:06, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

adoption[edit]

I'm adopting this page hauuuu~

--Sefam 17:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Need help in gettig a game to play[edit]

Okay, so I'm trying to play PCB and when I start up th07e.exe it goes to the loading screen then it justs exits out and the game quits. A window pops up if I try and immediately try and restart it with the title bar saying log on it and a bunch of random symbols which I assume is untranslated japanses text. I'm willing to post a pciture of this if needed. The preceding comment was written by Shinuto

Ah, sounds like you need to set your computer in Japanese Locale. To do so, go to Control Panel > Clock, Language, and Region > Regional and Language Options then go to the tab that says "Administrative" and select Japanese for Non-Unicode Programs (your comp will restart).

Or you can always get Microsoft Applocale so you don't have to go through that.

Also, please sign your posts by placing "~~~~" after your comment Let me know if this works. ♥★♦ 03:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok so...will doing that change my comp's entire text to japanese though? I just wanna make sure I don't get ito a situation that will be irritable to fix.Shinuto 04:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok, now I've downloaded Applocale...what do I do with it?Shinuto 04:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Nope, that will not have your text turn into Japanese lol, it's just for non-unicode programs to play.
If you are going the applocale route, open it, pick browse and find PCB, select the option that says "日本語 " and use that to run it.
If that didn't work, then it is a patch problem, and I recommend getting the latest patch.
Lemme know how this goes.

♥★♦ 00:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Ghastly[edit]

So how is ghastly a more "official" translation of 妖々? It just makes it sound like a bad nightmare, if you ask me. Not what the Japanese title is about at all. Flan27 (talk) 23:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I sincerely do not know; I'm guessing it's based on what the cover of the game says... but we all know Japanese can't Engrish...--Camilo113 (talk) 23:47, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be "ghastry" dream, then? ^^; But anyways, that's not meant to be the title anyways, just some decoration text. Honestly, the title could go several ways, things like "ghostly" or "mystical" are the best in my opinion. But anyways, if no one has any argument I'll probably just change it back to ghostly. Flan27 (talk) 23:53, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

this is all really silly. "ghostly" and "ghastly" and "mystical" and "charming" all mean about the same thing, especially in the context of 妖々. there is absolutely no reason why we should not treat "eastern ghastry dream" as an official translation, when it's one character (engrish does not count, it's more complicated than that) off and when you have no problem doing the same for things like fairy wars.
so, yes, "fairy wars" and overriding "faily wars" is fine, but "ghastly dream" and overriding "ghastry dream" is not? really?
also guys when you revert an edit and start a discussion please don't leave the edit summary blank. Despatche (talk) 04:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I still don't see how Ghastly is more official than Ghostly. The only Ghastly we can see is the one in the cover of Perfect Cherry Blossom but that doesn't means is the "official" translation of the "Touhou XXX" Title; there's also other games where you can see something written in the cover, like in the Imperishable Night one, it says: Shooting Game in Dark Side of Paradise; which is comparable to the one written in the PCB cover: Shooting Game of Ghastry Dream; but it doesn't means 東方永夜抄 (Touhou Eiyashou) translation is Eastern Dark Side of Paradise.

Well, I'm not a japanese speaker nor reader but there are people who do, like User:Flan27 and it seems he knows what he's doing...--Camilo113 (talk) 15:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

yeah, it does, because one is an actual translation and the other is a completely different phrase. there is a HUGE difference between completely different words and a phrase that is ONE character off what we have now. and let me point out again that "ghastly dream" (written in katakana) is also one of yuyuko's attacks in imperishable night at the very least, similar to how the phrases "imperishable night" and "mountain of faith" appear at all, ever, for any reason.
even with the idea that it's official aside, there's no reason to outright reject such a change when it's so similar and when it's dangerously close to being so "official". this is nothing more than rejecting "change" for the sake of doing so, without any regard to logic or rationale. Despatche (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistencies with 妖々[edit]

I'm noticing the way 妖々 has been inconsistently translated throughout the wiki. First we have the title, 東方妖々夢 ~ Perfect Cherry Blossom, translated as Eastern Ghostly Dream ~ Perfect Cherry Blossom. Then we move onto the title theme, 妖々夢 ~ Snow or Cherry Petal translated as Eastern Mystical Dream ~ Snow or Cherry Petal. As well as the stage 5 theme, 東方妖々夢 ~ Ancient Temple translated as Eastern Mystical Dream ~ Ancient Temple. Finally we have the two Extra themes, 妖々跋扈 translated as Youkai Domination. I'm honestly not seeing the point of these inconsistencies. I could see why it would be inconsistent in context, but I'm not seeing any context for why the title theme is "Ghostly", but stage 5 is "Mystical". I really, REALLY see no reason for 妖々跋扈 to be translated as "youkai domination". Yes, Yukari is a youkai (妖怪), 妖 is one of the kanji in youkai, but it's also one of the kanji in fairy (妖精), and they appear in the extra stages, so I'm not really seeing the point. I feel like these names should be more consistent.

I've looked up the words in the dictionary, and ghostly, ghastly, and mystical don't have that all similar meanings. They're related, but not very similar. Specifically between ghostly and mystical. Ghastly and mystical are closer from what I'm seeing, especially in the context of this game. Anyway, I feel like if the names are to be inconsistent, it should be between words that make more sense. The titles with 妖々夢 should all be the same. I suggest it be Eastern Ghastly/Mystical Dream for all of them. Ghastly because this game is very youkai-like, and is a game that introduces the "scene" of Gensokyo. A placed filled with all sorts of "ghastly" creatures. Or you could use the more neutral word, Mystical, which also evokes a sort of "attractiveness" to it. Which is something Gensokyo does have.

As for 妖々跋扈, I've seen it being translated as Charming Domination, which is a translation that I like. "Charming" and "Domination" are contrasting words, and 妖 which has a meaning that refers to something bewitching, mystical, and charming sounds good for a title to me. I would even say some for the other titles, though "Mystical" may be more fitting for the title theme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SupremeExplosion (talkcontribs)

See discussion here: Talk:Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Music#Translation_of_妖々跋扈. The conclusion is basically that, although it's used in many places on purpose, it means different things (and/or multiple things) depending on where it's used. I think it's impossible to have a consistent use in english that still keeps meaning, as it's entirely wordplay that's already difficult to translate. --Drake Irving (talk) 11:56, 17 October 2016 (UTC)