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Should explanations of literary references and such in song titles be put on Music pages (like this one) instead of on the script translation pages? Maybe put them in both places?

Moving song title explanations to this page will unclutter the script translation pages a bit as well as lessen the need to edit multiple pages whenever a title's translation is updated, or more information about it is discovered.

--Deciare 12:05, 4 Jun 2005 (PDT)

What tone are these comments written? Jokingly? Mockingly? Is it serious at any point? Are there any native English speakers on this board who are even close to fluent? An editor of a translation who can't understand the language is kind of a joke, unfortunately. J5983 22:04, 18 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Should these comments be edited more extensively, at the risk of losing original meaning, or be left as they are in a more literal state? Can they be rewritten into a more coherent form? -Breathstealer 08:40, 13 Aug 2005 (PDT)


ZUN's comments have usually been in a somewhat joking manner from the previous interviews. I think that given our limited resources and abilities, editing it down to a form that reads well is sufficient until someone comes along with a high level of proficiency with both Japanese and English.

Sometimes ZUN even ends off his blurb with a (*laughs). I've added back one of them but there simply isn't enough room to put everything in. I suppose we'll just have to make sure the text reads in a jovial manner. --ChronoReverse 16:27, 16 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Manual text

Where do you think a good place for the manual text describing the music tracks should go?

Stage 3 Theme

Something that bothered me for some time now:
The Doll Maker of Bucuresti - shouldn't that been Bucharest? It's written in katakana as ブクレシュチ, ZUN wrote it as ブクレシュティ, which would actually make more sense, since ティ is used to write a "ti"-sound from western languages, while チ is a "chi". I don't change it right away, since it's not really the "true" way of writing it in katakana, but one that sounds more reasonable.
I'm actually surprised, that nobody has asked this so far. - Arget 00:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I think Bucureşti or Bucuresti is better because Japanese normally say it as ブカレスト (bukaresuto), which might be loaned from German word "Bukarest". Normally Japanese call it Bukarest, not Bucureşti, but ZUN use the latter. So why don't we follow the original Romanian name? And about the topic of ブクレシュチ, you would be right. The present Japanese Romanization would be, frankly speaking, out of date. So they can't write down to distinguish the two sound in their proper writing system. Some Japanese are worring about this problem, then remake the system to write チ & ティ as ti & t'i. Of course it's not proper now...

Ink-Black/Sumizome

There might be a translation inconsistency between the new title of this song and one of Yuyuko's spell cards.

Spell Card: 桜符「完全なる墨染の桜 -封印-」
Cherry Blossom Sign "Perfect Cherry Blossom of Sumizome -Seal-"
(Sumizome: name of the spirit in a cherry tree in the Japanese play, "Seki no To")

Song Title: 幽雅に咲かせ、墨染の桜 ~ Border of Life (Yuuga ni sakase, Sumizome no sakura ~ Border of Life,
lit. "Bloom Nobly, Ink-black Cherry Blossoms ~ Border of Life"

I would be tempted to change "Sumizome" to "Ink-Black" in the spell card name, but there's a TL note. Your thoughts? Kiefmaster99 13:20, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Kobayashi's:
Literal translations of place/person names are retarded. It'd be like translating it as "source of the sun" instead of "Japan".
Additionally, it's far too late to change it - Bloom Nobly, Cherry Blossoms of Sumizome ~ Border of Life is the popular translation by now.
!8RstuPId2Y 22:12, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, just checked out that thread. When the song TL was changed to "Ink-black", I have a feeling that whoever changed it did not regard the TL note, probably because it only existed on the Spell Card page. When I noticed it was changed to "Ink-Black", I searched for other instances of Sumizome (in particular Yuyuko's penultimate SC) and found reasoning for its use. Thus, I will be reverting "Ink-Black" to "Sumizome" with the TL note unless anyone objects here.
With regards to your second argument though, I'm just going to quote T. Solamarle from the MoF music talk page
More correct translations should be preferred over incorrect "established" names.
With regards to putting TL notes on the Music Page, I argue it helps for understanding, plus its been done for references that only exist in the music title. - Kiefmaster99 01:49, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Who done it

What's the punctuation at the end of "妖々跋扈 ~Who done it"? Several Japanese sites I've seen have it listed with an exclamation point at the end while here we have [had] it as "妖々跋扈 ~ Who done it?". Some clarification on which one is more correct would appreciated. !8RstuPId2Y 02:21, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

In the Japanese version of the official game, it's an exclamation mark. Presumably whoever did the translation on the wiki (and the patch) decided that a question mark was more grammatically accurate. DerangedTHMN 04:42, April 10, 2010 (UTC)