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==Spell Card Info Template Revamp==
As per topic, I will starting to revamp Spell Card Info, and this action ''may'' broke certain article's presentation. I will try to fix the pages as soon as possible - [[User:KyoriAsh|KyoriAsh]] ([[User talk:KyoriAsh|talk]]) 07:45, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


== Album Summaries ==
== "Albums needing pages" instead of "Albums needing genres" ==


I've been looking through the album pages a lot, finding lyrics and stuff like that, and I've been thinking about the little summaries at the top of the page. I think they could be improved...!<br>
I've been trying to maintain a [[Current event release worklist]] and I think it's a more useful link to place in the "Articles Needing Attention" section of the front page than the current music/doujin albums link to [[:Category: Genre Needed]]. [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 17:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
So, the current wording is as follows:<br>
'''"[Album title] is a music album by [circle] released on [date + event]. It is a vocal album featuring arrangements from [games]"'''<br>
It looks fine on the surface, but there are a couple of things about it that feel a bit unnatural, especially the second sentence:<br>
-''"Music album."'' The 'music' in 'music album' feels a bit redundant, and I personally feel that 'album' is more widely used than 'music album.' <br>
-''"It is a vocal album."'' This doesn't stick out that much, but I think it would sound smoother if rewritten as 'It features vocal arrangements...' I also think it would lead to better balance between the two sentences.<br>
-''"arrangements from [games]."'' Again, this looks like it makes sense, but it actually doesn't. As it is currently, the phrase implies that the arrangements ''themselves'' appear in the games, which they generally don't. This would be clearer if rewritten as 'arrangements of themes from [games]'<br>
So, with that in mind, I'd like to propose a new template with some minor changes:<br>
'''"[Album title] is an album by [circle] released on [date + event]. It features vocal ''[and/or instrumental where necessary]'' arrangements of themes from [games]"'''
This also would allow for greater consistency, as the template accommodates albums with arrangements of themes from a single game or multiple games.<br>
It would be a big ask to suggest going through and changing all of the past pages, but I'd like to propose that this be made the standard for future pages. Does anyone have any thoughts/feedback? [[User:Biggest Dreamer|Biggest Dreamer]] ([[User talk:Biggest Dreamer|talk]]) 10:55, 17 July 2016 (UTC)


:Thinking back to when I started editing not too long ago I also thought the wording was unnatural but went along with it anyways, looking at your suggestions I have to agree that there is room for improvement. To talk about the logistics of your proposal, the summaries are composed of the template generated first sentence using the filled out template fields while the second and so on sentences are entirely user editor generated. This miss-match of editor formatting and template auto formatting is why the sentences sound so unnatural together. As far as changing that, the first sentence can be changed across all albums instantly since it's part of the template and not the "description" field, where as the second sentence would have to be changed manually. Changing the second sentence can be done in an orderly fashion if a handful of editors decided to truly offer their time (I'm a given of course).
== Spell card comments ==


:Now to talk about the specific proposals I think we should use "Doujin album" since I agree that "Music album" is redundant but also think that "album" is too bare. I was put off by the proposed second sentence at first but it's without a doubt more accurate than the original so I have no reason not to change it. My only concern is about it's flexibility since the editor doesn't have much access to the first sentence, but I've been wanting to experiment with adding a field that removed the first sentence entirely while retaining to appropriate categories for cases where you need more control. I'll probably experiment with adding another field for "Original" albums while I'm at it since groups like [[BUTAOTOME]] (who's page I look to as the standard) have non-Touhou albums with pages that show up in the ''Arrangement'' CDs category, this issue could also be fixed at the same time.  
[http://clarste.tumblr.com/post/170133686491/wait-the-touhou-wiki-just-made-up-all-the Clarste] made a good point about the spell card comments, something that's been on my mind as well. Why exactly are they there? They are not official (apart from a few games' commentaries), and don't really add anything other than someone trying to be funny. ☢ [[User:Quwanti|Quwanti]] 23:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:Should we go through and delete them all, then? I didn't even realise those comments weren't from ZUN until I sat down and properly read the spell card page before... [[User:Biggest Dreamer|Biggest Dreamer]] ([[User talk:Biggest Dreamer|talk]]) 05:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
::I've never actually read the spell card comments but had always assumed they were all official non-the-less, at present no spell card pages have comments due to an error in the template (going off the discord discussion). As an outside observer who never actually read any of the wiki's spell comments (I read them in game though), I think it needs to be much much clearer which comments are official vs unofficial or they should be moved to completely avoid any misconceptions, although outside of avoiding misconceptions I really don't see an issue with including unofficial spellcard comments. At present there's not much on these pages without the comments (just a picture and 4 short lines of text) so including something unofficial in my mind makes for a better reading experience, on the flip side since many games don't have official spell card comments I'd recommend changing the format of pages without comments altogether, one example could be using full sized spellcard images instead of half sized. [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 13:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
:::In general, the spell cards can be a bit unclear since different phases of a spell card are not included, and neither are non-named cards (aside from those in StB, DS and ISC). Anyway, I think they should be removed all together, for the time being. One idea is to give some sort of explanation for the title, what it means and why it's significant for the character, but that could be a lot of work. ☢ [[User:Quwanti|Quwanti]] 15:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
::Concurring with their removal. Seemingly the only reason they've stood for so long is because of tradition, something that started over a decade ago just for flavour and happened to stick around. [[User:Drake Irving|Drake Irving]] ([[User talk:Drake Irving|talk]]) 12:46, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


:The "MusicArticle" template is above my user level to edit and it is kind of a big change to make with only 2 users input anyways so please chime in if you're reading this and make you opinion known. [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 15:51, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
==Spell Card Template new coding==
Hi all, I would like some opinion about the new Spell Card Template that made use of some new CSS, which might broke some browser especially IE 11. [[Template:Spell Card Info/testcases|Test Cases]] can be viewed from the link. Please provide opinion here if you feel that the template is not compatible with your browser - [[User:KyoriAsh|KyoriAsh]] ([[User talk:KyoriAsh|talk]]) 11:55, 15 March 2018 (UTC)


:I generally agree with your proposal, especially the second sentence changing "arrangements from [games]" to "arrangements of themes from [games]"; the former has always felt weird to me. (Also, I personally think just "album" is fine over "music album" or "doujin album".) [[User:Tsuukasa5|Tsuukasa5]] ([[User talk:Tsuukasa5|talk]]) 16:41, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
==updated list of Fan Comics + Official Print Work==
Hi Guys,


::Thanks for the feedback on my idea! If 'album' by itself is too bare, I agree that 'doujin album' is an acceptable substitute for 'music album.' If more people end up providing feedback on the second sentence, I'm also happy to take the time to update a couple of circles. [[User:Biggest Dreamer|Biggest Dreamer]] ([[User talk:Biggest Dreamer|talk]]) 10:33, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
I made a list of fan cirles and some of the official printwork.


:::Okay so here are some test cases of the proposed new format in action, [[Fragile Sacrifice]], [[BLUE NOTE 東方 Vol.1]] & [[Monologue~魔法が解けるその前に~]]. It's really not a huge change but since I plan to go around changing all the albums over to this format I want to be sure it's the best format we can come up with, anyone have any more input?
To be honest, I have no experience on wiki editing and I have no idea how this works.
:::I also went ahead and looked up some stuff to try and fix some issues I would normally run into while editing, [[User:Ycdtosa/Sandbox|here's]] a slightly modified version of the MusicArticle template I used for the 3 pages that fixed some issues I would have run into with the normal template. I'll quickly outline the changes and on what pages you can see them in effect.
::: - fixed the issue of broken code showing up at the bottom of the page if the "groupCat" field is left empty, [[Fragile Sacrifice]] makes use of this.
::: - added "no_intro" parameter so the pages begins with the "description", [[BLUE NOTE 東方 Vol.1]] makes use of this.
::: - added "banner_res" parameter for custom banner sizes, option to enter "Original CDs" into the "musictype" parameter for various changes and fixed the issue that albums with only the Japanese title had. [[Monologue~魔法が解けるその前に~]] makes use of all these.
::: - plus some other minor changes/clean up


: I'm not a native speaker, so take my style advices with a grain of salt :). I, however, agree about the second sentence completely. Your version is better.
So I put this list, that maybe somebody could edit this.
: As of the first sentence, I might be the one who wrote that part of the template a long time ago. On the second thought, "music album" does sound a bit redundant in English. "Doujin album" is better. I'd avoid capitalizing word "doujin" like it's done above, though. "Album" sounds ok, but I'd rather not omit "doujin" if reader is not familiar with doujin music phenomenon (the omission is also a problem with existing articles).
: Speaking of mass page editing, I've done something similar with AutoWikibot, which can save a lot of time. I may be able to help this time, too. Using special bot account can also prevent RecentChanges from being cluttered when doing so. --[[User:WGH|WGH]] ([[User talk:WGH|talk]]) 14:01, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


:Eh. I just don't see "music album" as particularly redundant, given that you can have albums that aren't "music" albums. Such as "drama" albums, though they're not as common in Touhou. Still, the distinction should remain for that purpose. Honestly, I think it's addressing a problem that I don't think exists. But anyway, if anything I would like to include "doujin" or "official" in "music album" in the header, depending if it is an official release by ZUN or Tasofro. So an example page would read "[Album Title] is a doujin/official music album by [Circle]. It features vocal and instrumental arrangements of themes from [Game Titles]."
I hope, that I could be somehow useful.
:Anyway, back to my first point, it seems as if [[Monologue~魔法が解けるその前に~]] might fit the bill for a drama album, and as such might be titled [Album Title] is an original drama doujin album by [Circle]. [[User:UTW|UTW]] 10:39, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
::It seems like to me that "doujin album" and even "music album" are a little too verbose. I think "album" fits the bill a little better, and it keeps the formula a little more standardized with other websites. [[User:Code Slasher|Code Slasher]] ([[User talk:Code Slasher|talk]]) 01:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


:::@WGH I've un-capitalized doujin as you suggested, that was a mistake on my part because I was under the impression it was proper noun. That doesn't seem to be the case so thank you for correcting that. There seem to be universal consensus about the second sentence so if you would be able to use a bot to make the change that would be great, from there we would only have to go through the album pages looking for any that might have fallen through the cracks.
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:::@UTW The change you requested for official albums has been added to the test template, [[Monologue~魔法が解けるその前に~]] is in the same format as [[kimino-museum]]'s other original works and would be better described as a rock opera/concept album. But with the addition of the "no_intro" parameter non-standard albums can all be defined in the first sentence. I don't mind going with just "album" but I feel it's a wasted opportunity since nowhere is doujin even mentioned on any of the album pages, as WGH pointed out, that omission is a problem and including a link in the first sentence would fix it across all concerned pages.
:::@Code Slasher Wikipedia uses the term "studio album" which is where I got the idea to use "doujin album" for this wiki, I'm curious what other sites you're are referring to with regards to standardizing.
:::I don't have the user rights to edit [[Template:MusicArticle]] so another user will have to implement the appropriate template changes. I'll make a post on it's talk page with a full change log since many of them are separate issues from the album summary, before that I'd like to get the "album"/"doujin album" thing sorted first, as for me I feel it's important to include doujin and that music album is redundant but it's not my call to make alone. [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 12:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


:::: I'll get to writing bot plugin later this week, I hope. --[[User:WGH|WGH]] ([[User talk:WGH|talk]]) 17:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
[[Talk:Potential Comics]]


:At this point everything has been updated more or less, I sipped over some circles pages which who were too outdated (sine they needed allot of work anyways) but all the major circles and maintained pages have been updated. [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 06:35, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
(I chose this page, because it wasn't used since 2009)


== All-at-once Sprites on Tabs suggestion ==
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Right now we're using only last official sprite for characters pages, so this solution has come to my mind. Test example here [[ru:Участник:Unknwn/Черновик]]. Comparisons this way is more fun, but maybe there are some restrictions, for example I don't know is there a way to load last tab, and not the first. --[[User:Unknwn|Unknwn]] ([[User talk:Unknwn|talk]]) 20:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
P.S.: I won't be active after this post. - <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Austrian Pianist|Austrian Pianist]] ([[User talk:Austrian Pianist|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Austrian Pianist|contribs]]) 16:53 (UTC), 9 April 2018</small>
:I know I have seen this sort of thing before somewhere....  There should be a way to make it load the last tab.  The only thing is that with the way you have it set up, it messes with the browser's history, i.e. it makes it harder to go back or forward pages. [[User:Code Slasher|Code Slasher]] ([[User talk:Code Slasher|talk]]) 02:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::This thing was used alot at Homestuck wikia. --[[User:Unknwn|Unknwn]] ([[User talk:Unknwn|talk]]) 12:39, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::[[ru:Участник:Unknwn/Рейму_Хакурей|Another example with lots of Reimu sprites]]. For now I don't know what to do with subpages mess, maybe there is some way with templates, but I can't use things like {{tl|PAGENAME}} properly at user space. I also wanted to wrap all the Windows tabs into two strings, but hadn't find how so I splitted it to 3 subtabs by "generations", it works this way, but looks overcomplicated.  --[[User:Unknwn|Unknwn]] ([[User talk:Unknwn|talk]]) 13:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


== Antique Game Music ==
== We *seriously* need a way to have people knowing what is going on ==


Can someone confirm/add this?
Anyone's who's been on here for a non-trivial amount of time should know by now that a major issue with maintaining the wiki, insofar as making any kind of "significant" changes, is that nobody ever knows what the heck is going on because there's no way to notify people when there's ongoing discussion and shit always hits the fan. I ''knew'' once people started talking about changing "Rei'sen" and asking for votes or objections, as well as e.g. the above requests for input about Spell Card templates and the user-written flavour comments, that basically nobody answers even if they would have useful input. It's awful for productivity and consensus.
https://www.facebook.com/Touhou763/posts/1763454940608876
http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/pmd.html
Seems like a recently discovered page in the old ZUN's website that is uncovered by this wiki. Sorry for the bother if the discusion shouldn't be here[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:58, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
: This one may be interesting too: http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/data/html/contri.html [[User:Eighter|Eighter]] ([[User talk:Eighter|talk]]) 08:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
::It's not really news, but it might be something the old timers in the fandom might remember more.  Interest in PC98 music (and making of such) seems to have [http://hertzdevil.bandcamp.com/album/pc-98-perfect-cherry-blossom grown a bit lately], which is nice.  [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 09:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


== General category page issues and changes to doujin circle categories ==
There's the Discord and IRC at least, but any kind of external requirement is not great for this kind of purpose because some people simply do not use those services at all or minimally, and it shouldn't be a requirement for people to use, because then this implies only users that are part of these groups are privy to important notices, which I think is destructive. Having a clear and visible method for "issue tracking" as a part of the wiki itself is important because anyone with any stake in editing the wiki is already going to be a user. Put another way, the Discord and IRC as means of discussion should be 1) orthogonal to means of notification, and 2) supplementary to talk pages but entirely optional.


New pages and files don't appear on category pages at the moment ([[:Category:Comiket_90|Comiket 90 for example]]). I also want to question the use of English translations/romanizations for the doujin circle categories, is it acceptable to just use their Japanese name in situations where there is no official translation? [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 16:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Stuff like [[Touhou Wiki:Projects | Projects]] is kind of along the right lines, but those are more about long-term maintenance and still require active checking. Additionally there's the fact that you add the Notice to include articles as part of the Project and so on, whereas I'm thinking more that the issues shouldn't require any extra work on existing pages and are basically a way to point out "hey, there's a discussion happening over here relevant to [subscribed topic] that potentially needs input". Heck, this very talk page is one of the only ways people get notified about sweeping changes, if people even put them here. That's half of why I'm putting this here.


: At a guess, the [[:mediawikiwiki:Manual:Job queue|job queue]] is not being processed for some reason - 12201 jobs outstanding in the queue at the moment, which I'd normally expect to be close to zero. Needs an administrator to give it a look.  -- [[User:Mazian|Mazian]] ([[User talk:Mazian|talk]]) 19:14, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
More generally, I do not think wholly article-based solutions are the way to go. We see attempts at structure pop up every now and then with stuff like [[Touhou Wiki:Translator Zone]], [[Touhou Wiki:Touhou Daikaitei]], portals, I dunno; the point is that there are a ton of them and nobody knows about them, nobody gets notified, nobody participates, and they die. Many of them are also for like, the same general purposes. It's literally insanity to keep using these kinds of arcane methods to try to get people on board to do things.
::Job queue is clearing out and should stay up to date from now on; thanks for the notification.  [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 20:21, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:::It's been 4 days since the job queue began working again and while some category pages have been updated properly others are now worse off than before. For example almost every page in the [[:Category:Conventions|Conventions Category]] is blank while other categories like [[:Category:Doujin_Circle/Arrangement|Doujin Circle/Arrangement Category]] are now missing a number of pages. Is this just an issue with the system updating the categories slowly or is something else wrong? [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 12:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Argh, the cron job wasn't actually running.  Re-clearing the queue again; it should run on it's own from now on.  [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 02:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::The issue persists but I really don't know the solution. I recently added a bunch of images to a category and they all appeared in the category just fine ([[:Category:UFO_County|see here]]), but the problem remains that the actual album pages have not appeared (despite being tagged well before the images). I really don't have a good guess but if I had to give one anyways I think it might be a problem with categories done through templates as apposed to being tagged directly on the page (IE putting <nowiki>[[category:such&such]]</nowiki> on the page itself). [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 03:35, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


== Expansion depth limit exceeded on multiple pages ==
My suggestion here is first to use a MediaWiki tool like [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Notifications Notifications] (aka Echo) to implement a way for people to actually receive notifications of some sort. The information surrounding Notifications is pretty fuzzy but apparently it should be standard already? In any case, many extensions see to make use of this feature for various productive purposes and it solves the problem of pushing versus checking (at least on the wiki level). The next step is to use one of these extensions like [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newsletter Newsletter] (for example), to have a public and clear list of subjects that users might want to be notified about when there's relevant discussion. Maybe there are only a couple and are manually added by admin so as not to go overboard with compartmentalization. If a user subscribed to the subject (Translations, Names/Terminology, Music albums, Templates, etc), they would be able to create new issues that are basically links to the relevant talk page(s) that require input and discussion, and they'd also receive notifications for new issues added. Make it obvious how one would subscribe to these lists so nobody just happens to not realize it exists.


So, i wanted to check up [[Double_Dealing_Character/Music]] for a tidbit of info, because that's what wikis are for; and i found out, to my horror, that the page was all broken. It also [[Mystic_Square/Music|affect]] [[Reimu_Hakurei|other]] [[Double_Dealing_Character/Story/Reimu_B%27s_Scenario|pages]], but curiously, [[Mountain_of_Faith/Music|some are]] [[Human_Village|still okay for me]]. [[User:MapleTree|MapleTree]] ([[User talk:MapleTree|talk]]) 21:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
This way editors that are interested in certain subjects have ways to become notified of things they want to be notified about, and have a way to bring other interested parties to discuss things they probably wouldn't have otherwise noticed unless they stalk RecentChanges. I would particularly like to hear input from [[User:Mami]] about technical feasibility.
:As mentioned above, the Job Queue's been processed through; those pages should be fine now. [[User:Mamizou|Mamizou]] ([[User talk:Mamizou|talk]]) 00:00, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
::Confirmation: Now everything looks back to normal. [[User:MapleTree|MapleTree]] ([[User talk:MapleTree|talk]]) 09:15, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


== Spell Cards and Abilities ==
[[User:Drake Irving|Drake Irving]] ([[User talk:Drake Irving|talk]]) 07:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


On the abilities roster of Reimu, Marisa, Sanae and Reisen the abilities that they use in Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom are not included in the roster or at least they don't show in the game titles 'LoLK' as a game the abilities are used in.
:This is a constant issue here.  The Discord seems to have helped in establishing more rapid communication between groups.  I already have a module that pushes wiki updates to a channel on the Discord; if there was a way to push things from the Discord here, in the sense of a constant and frequent event/news list it'd be pretty nice.  I'm also open to discussing any other sort of notifications. [[User:Mami|Mami]] ([[User talk:Mami|talk]]) 23:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
:Done [[User:MapleTree|MapleTree]] ([[User talk:MapleTree|talk]]) 21:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
::Is it possible to create an RSS feed for those who are members of each respective zone/project? [[User:Code Slasher|Code Slasher]] ([[User talk:Code Slasher|talk]]) 02:41, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


== Spell Card screenshots ==
==Images not loading without JavaScript==
It seems that most images on the wiki fail to load now with JavaScript disabled. I think it used to work fine not too long ago. Checked in both Mozilla and Chrome.
[[User:Niektory|Niektory]] ([[User talk:Niektory|talk]]) 22:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Even with JS enabled they sometimes don't load. I have to refresh the page to see them. [[User:Niektory|Niektory]] ([[User talk:Niektory|talk]]) 13:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
:I changed some of the settings for the image scaler.  Let me know if you still see the issue.  [[User:Mami|Mami]] ([[User talk:Mami|talk]]) 23:09, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah, still the same, nothing seems to have changed.  [[User:Niektory|Niektory]] ([[User talk:Niektory|talk]]) 16:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


Some of the hard and lunatic spellcard screenshots in Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom are still missing. People that don't have the game may wanna look them up here.
==Translation Misedits==
:Honestly, i was expecting to take it easy and leave other to do it, but i guess i'll fill the pages like i did with Fairy Wars and a share of fangames. I hope to do it in the next days. [[User:MapleTree|MapleTree]] ([[User talk:MapleTree|talk]]) 21:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
[[User_talk:Yamaxandu]] is continually undoing the correct translation of "その八重垣を" which is an has an officially translated source [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushinadahime Kushinadahime] and also removing my citations in favor of his fan translation. Please advise. (sorry of this is wrong area 'report issue' links here.[[User:ADCK|ADCK]] ([[User talk:ADCK|talk]]) 10:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
::''Update'': Done. Actually, i finished uploading yesterday, but i was waiting for the pages to update with the new images. Image uploading tends to do things like that. [[User:MapleTree|MapleTree]] ([[User talk:MapleTree|talk]]) 17:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
*No Reply? In case i'm not making myself clear, I'm requesting Admin assistance. This Yamaxandu kid is itching for an edit war, I feel like i'm doing the right thing here by reporting the issue, I have verifiable citations proving my case. It should be a simple thing for an admin to say yay or nay? [[User:ADCK|ADCK]] ([[User talk:ADCK|talk]]) 12:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 
*They didn’t respond because I am in the right ;) -[[User:Yamaxandu|Yamaxandu]] ([[User talk:Yamaxandu|talk]]) 12:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
==Expansion depth limit exceeded==
To all Touhouwiki users, please notice that '''don't try to insert TOO MANY templates''' into character's page as mediawiki can't handle more than 40 levels of nested template, as stated in [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Avoiding MediaWiki expansion depth limit|this Wikipedia page]], thanks. Character page's format need to revise - [[User:KyoriAsh|KyoriAsh]] ([[User talk:KyoriAsh|talk]]) 15:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
: Could at least move those banners “[[Template:Project Characters Notice|This character page is a member of project characters]]” to the talk pages of respective articles. That is how banners like these are being handled in English Wikipedia and I do not see the point of showing them to ''readers''. Person who reads article do not care about this stuff, while any relevant things for wiki editors are placed on talk pages anyway. --[[User:Coyc|Coyc]] ([[User talk:Coyc|talk]]) 01:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
::While I have seen other wikis put banners like these on main article pages, this does seem like a good option to me. [[User:Code Slasher|Code Slasher]] ([[User talk:Code Slasher|talk]]) 05:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think this is an actual problem with expansion depth, if it was than I don't think purging the cache would fix the problem as the expansion depth would sill exceed the 40 levels limit regardless. I believe the problem arose from the job queue being tidied up as discussed in another topic above. [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 19:08, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 
==EoSD Spellcards==
The EoSD spellcard menu shows the spellcards on the hardest difficulty but i want to see the difference between hard/lunatic and easy/normal but easy and hard are mostly not present <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Raymario Pokénic|Raymario Pokénic]] ([[User talk:Raymario Pokénic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Raymario Pokénic|contribs]]) 9:20, 2 October 2016 (UTC)</small>
:Well, due to the nature of the game itself, We're unable to provide the spell card in all difficulties, however I'm planning to revamp the whole spell card template to make it more *variable* to the differences. - [[User:KyoriAsh|KyoriAsh]] ([[User talk:KyoriAsh|talk]]) 14:53, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 
== Mokou's skills? ==
 
Doesn't Mokou have skills in Urban Legend in Limbo? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Raymario Pokénic|Raymario Pokénic]] ([[User talk:Raymario Pokénic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Raymario Pokénic|contribs]]) 10:21, 1 December 2016 (UTC)</small>
:From what I could gather, it does not look like she has any more significant abilities other than setting herself on fire, but that probably is not important to mention.  Also:
::When you make a comment on a talk page, could you please add <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to the end of your posts so that you can sign it?
::Why did you make a section about it here instead of on her talk page?
:Thank you. [[User:Code Slasher|Code Slasher]] ([[User talk:Code Slasher|talk]]) 21:22, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 
==Regarding Mima's Theme==
{{lang|ja|魔法鐘愛}} was literally translated into ''Love of Magical Chimes'', until THBWiki translator reminded that our English translation of ''Love of Magical Chimes'' is totally wrong, because according to Chinese and Japanese, {{lang|ja|鐘愛}} is a word, and by translation means, it should be refer to this wording: {{lang|ja|魔法 鐘愛}} instead of {{lang|ja|魔法 鐘 愛}}. I hope anyone can come out with a better translation as ''Love of Magical '''Chimes''''' was wrong as the wording doesn't contains any ''chimes'' meaning. [[User:KyoriAsh|KyoriAsh]] ([[User talk:KyoriAsh|talk]]) 12:33, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
: Well, this is the short theme before you fight Yumemi, not Mima's theme. Anyways, this is kind of a silly case. It isn't that 鐘愛 is a word, but that 鍾愛 is a word. However, both 鐘 and 鍾 are simplified in Chinese to 钟. I don't know whether they are actually conflated in practice (in either Japanese or Chinese), but yeah it's pretty clear this is what is meant regardless, and is how it is interpreted on nicopedia at the very least. A more correct title would then be something like "Adoration of Magic" or "Devotion to Magic". It is obviously referring to Yumemi's intense obsession over proving magic exists. [[User:Drake Irving|Drake Irving]] ([[User talk:Drake Irving|talk]]) 12:10, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 
== Tagging untranslated links? ==
 
Random suggestion - could the site be configured to automatically add an <sup>[Untranslated]</sup> tag after any link pointing to a page that's in [[:Category:Untranslated]]? Something like [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Highlight_Links_in_Category this extension]. On pages that are likely to have a mix of translated and untranslated links (e.g. [[Strange Creators of Outer World]]) it would make it easier for average readers to see which pages have content, and for translators to see which pages need attention. Worst case scenario right now, someone could click on an untranslated link or two, find nothing, and assume that none of the links on that page are translated. --[[User:Prime32|Prime32]] ([[User talk:Prime32|talk]]) 16:47, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 
== Thoughts on MusicArticle and Circle template changes ==
 
There are a couple things I've realized would be useful for the MusicArticle template and the Circle template so I figured I would list my thoughts and also ask if anyone else has any ideas.
*MusicArticle template ideas
**A parameter for replacing the word "album" in the first auto generated sentence before the "description" parameter with whatever you want, mini-album, voice drama, DVD, etc.
**An override for the headers of each credit parameter if you begin with a semi colon, credits don't always fit neatly into the fields so being able to name them is useful.
**[[User:Unknwn]] said to me once that fitting the track credits into a template would be useful for other language wikis. In reality it wouldn't be too hard to extend the Track template to include the standard credits, Arranger, Lyrics, Vocals, Other, along with the original title etc. At that point you could also have the first sentence (It features vocal and instrumental arrangements of...)  be auto generated if you wanted. I think at that point it becomes allot of work though, so I really don't want to even try unless it would actually help other language wikis.
**Using tables to give the option of splitting the credits into two or more columns like on [[palette~人々が愛した幻想郷~]] or [[Groove into the Night]].
**Option of text bellow album covers to mention who the character on it is/whatever else might be useful there.
 
*Circle template ideas
**Wikipedia lists "Associated acts" and I think we should find somewhere to list associated circles since there are circles who might often play live together, or regularly split booths at conventions, or appear on the same collaboration works, but rarely actually collaborate on albums. Not to mention it would be useful for the circles who do regularly appear on each other's albums, it can already be done using the description permitted but I wanted to bring it up since maybe there's somewhere nicer to put it, like an infobox or something.
**Additional discography sections and greater control over the main discography section, it shouldn't be so hard for editors to add additional discographies. I've seen other's try to do it and while it's not hard if you already know how the circle template works it really should be a feature in the first place. Also the discography section as it is now needs to be updated in some way, currently it only accounts for 99 albums, [[TAMUSIC]] has 98 on their page right now. The template could be updated to account for more albums, or we could just make it limitless, I actually don't know why it was capped in the first place since looking at the wikimark up it would be easier to just have it be limitless. You would have allot more freedom to add headers and text to the discography sections if it was formatted differently so it makes no sense to my why it's like this in the first place...
 
*Circle name template for Japanese names
**So basically this is a step up from the hover text templates we have been using for names on music pages recently, it's first function would be like a regular name template so that if the circle's official English name changed it could be updated everywhere at once. We can also use it to updated a category across a number of pages if we also use it to tag files, it would basically give editors allot more confidence to build up categories knowing that it wouldn't actually be so hard to update it if the circle announces an official English name or if the editor is uncertain of how their name should be romanticized.
 
 
Those are the ideas I've had so far, I will eventually start messing around with the templates so feel free to give any comments or criticisms of the changes I'm thinking of making, and of course any ideas you might have yourself. [[User:Ycdtosa|Ycdtosa]] ([[User talk:Ycdtosa|talk]]) 07:32, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 
== The music themes section of character info boxes ==
 
Currently, in the character info boxes, the music themes are written out in Japanese, with mouseover text displaying the English title. For character titles, this is the other way around, and I want to recall that the character titles used to be in Japanese with English mouseover, but it was decided to change this at some point. So now I wonder - why not make this same change to the musical themes? I'm fairly sure that the majority of wiki users don't actually know Japanese, and so seeing the English titles first would be more useful to them, and the goal of this wiki should be to present the information in a way optimized for English-speaking users, no? Since the music themes are already hidden behind an [Expand] link, length shouldn't be an issue (and shouldn't be an issue even if it wasn't, tbh). So for the same reasons that character titles in the info box were changed to show English first, I propose that we apply the same logic to the music theme names and change those to show up in English with Japanese mouseover text. [[User:KennyMan666|KennyMan666]] ([[User talk:KennyMan666|talk]]) 11:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
:The problem is that most of the music themes appear as Japanese text in the games (barring a language patch).  If one can figure out the shape of the characters, they can find the translation of it on the corresponding game's music page. [[User:Code Slasher|Code Slasher]] ([[User talk:Code Slasher|talk]]) 06:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

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Spell Card Info Template Revamp

As per topic, I will starting to revamp Spell Card Info, and this action may broke certain article's presentation. I will try to fix the pages as soon as possible - KyoriAsh (talk) 07:45, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

"Albums needing pages" instead of "Albums needing genres"

I've been trying to maintain a Current event release worklist and I think it's a more useful link to place in the "Articles Needing Attention" section of the front page than the current music/doujin albums link to Category: Genre Needed. Ycdtosa (talk) 17:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Spell card comments

Clarste made a good point about the spell card comments, something that's been on my mind as well. Why exactly are they there? They are not official (apart from a few games' commentaries), and don't really add anything other than someone trying to be funny. ☢ Quwanti 23:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Should we go through and delete them all, then? I didn't even realise those comments weren't from ZUN until I sat down and properly read the spell card page before... Biggest Dreamer (talk) 05:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
I've never actually read the spell card comments but had always assumed they were all official non-the-less, at present no spell card pages have comments due to an error in the template (going off the discord discussion). As an outside observer who never actually read any of the wiki's spell comments (I read them in game though), I think it needs to be much much clearer which comments are official vs unofficial or they should be moved to completely avoid any misconceptions, although outside of avoiding misconceptions I really don't see an issue with including unofficial spellcard comments. At present there's not much on these pages without the comments (just a picture and 4 short lines of text) so including something unofficial in my mind makes for a better reading experience, on the flip side since many games don't have official spell card comments I'd recommend changing the format of pages without comments altogether, one example could be using full sized spellcard images instead of half sized. Ycdtosa (talk) 13:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
In general, the spell cards can be a bit unclear since different phases of a spell card are not included, and neither are non-named cards (aside from those in StB, DS and ISC). Anyway, I think they should be removed all together, for the time being. One idea is to give some sort of explanation for the title, what it means and why it's significant for the character, but that could be a lot of work. ☢ Quwanti 15:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Concurring with their removal. Seemingly the only reason they've stood for so long is because of tradition, something that started over a decade ago just for flavour and happened to stick around. Drake Irving (talk) 12:46, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Spell Card Template new coding

Hi all, I would like some opinion about the new Spell Card Template that made use of some new CSS, which might broke some browser especially IE 11. Test Cases can be viewed from the link. Please provide opinion here if you feel that the template is not compatible with your browser - KyoriAsh (talk) 11:55, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

updated list of Fan Comics + Official Print Work

Hi Guys,

I made a list of fan cirles and some of the official printwork.

To be honest, I have no experience on wiki editing and I have no idea how this works.

So I put this list, that maybe somebody could edit this.

I hope, that I could be somehow useful.


Talk:Potential Comics

(I chose this page, because it wasn't used since 2009)


P.S.: I won't be active after this post. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austrian Pianist (talkcontribs) 16:53 (UTC), 9 April 2018

We *seriously* need a way to have people knowing what is going on

Anyone's who's been on here for a non-trivial amount of time should know by now that a major issue with maintaining the wiki, insofar as making any kind of "significant" changes, is that nobody ever knows what the heck is going on because there's no way to notify people when there's ongoing discussion and shit always hits the fan. I knew once people started talking about changing "Rei'sen" and asking for votes or objections, as well as e.g. the above requests for input about Spell Card templates and the user-written flavour comments, that basically nobody answers even if they would have useful input. It's awful for productivity and consensus.

There's the Discord and IRC at least, but any kind of external requirement is not great for this kind of purpose because some people simply do not use those services at all or minimally, and it shouldn't be a requirement for people to use, because then this implies only users that are part of these groups are privy to important notices, which I think is destructive. Having a clear and visible method for "issue tracking" as a part of the wiki itself is important because anyone with any stake in editing the wiki is already going to be a user. Put another way, the Discord and IRC as means of discussion should be 1) orthogonal to means of notification, and 2) supplementary to talk pages but entirely optional.

Stuff like Projects is kind of along the right lines, but those are more about long-term maintenance and still require active checking. Additionally there's the fact that you add the Notice to include articles as part of the Project and so on, whereas I'm thinking more that the issues shouldn't require any extra work on existing pages and are basically a way to point out "hey, there's a discussion happening over here relevant to [subscribed topic] that potentially needs input". Heck, this very talk page is one of the only ways people get notified about sweeping changes, if people even put them here. That's half of why I'm putting this here.

More generally, I do not think wholly article-based solutions are the way to go. We see attempts at structure pop up every now and then with stuff like Touhou Wiki:Translator Zone, Touhou Wiki:Touhou Daikaitei, portals, I dunno; the point is that there are a ton of them and nobody knows about them, nobody gets notified, nobody participates, and they die. Many of them are also for like, the same general purposes. It's literally insanity to keep using these kinds of arcane methods to try to get people on board to do things.

My suggestion here is first to use a MediaWiki tool like Notifications (aka Echo) to implement a way for people to actually receive notifications of some sort. The information surrounding Notifications is pretty fuzzy but apparently it should be standard already? In any case, many extensions see to make use of this feature for various productive purposes and it solves the problem of pushing versus checking (at least on the wiki level). The next step is to use one of these extensions like Newsletter (for example), to have a public and clear list of subjects that users might want to be notified about when there's relevant discussion. Maybe there are only a couple and are manually added by admin so as not to go overboard with compartmentalization. If a user subscribed to the subject (Translations, Names/Terminology, Music albums, Templates, etc), they would be able to create new issues that are basically links to the relevant talk page(s) that require input and discussion, and they'd also receive notifications for new issues added. Make it obvious how one would subscribe to these lists so nobody just happens to not realize it exists.

This way editors that are interested in certain subjects have ways to become notified of things they want to be notified about, and have a way to bring other interested parties to discuss things they probably wouldn't have otherwise noticed unless they stalk RecentChanges. I would particularly like to hear input from User:Mami about technical feasibility.

Drake Irving (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

This is a constant issue here. The Discord seems to have helped in establishing more rapid communication between groups. I already have a module that pushes wiki updates to a channel on the Discord; if there was a way to push things from the Discord here, in the sense of a constant and frequent event/news list it'd be pretty nice. I'm also open to discussing any other sort of notifications. Mami (talk) 23:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to create an RSS feed for those who are members of each respective zone/project? Code Slasher (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Images not loading without JavaScript

It seems that most images on the wiki fail to load now with JavaScript disabled. I think it used to work fine not too long ago. Checked in both Mozilla and Chrome. Niektory (talk) 22:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC) Even with JS enabled they sometimes don't load. I have to refresh the page to see them. Niektory (talk) 13:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I changed some of the settings for the image scaler. Let me know if you still see the issue. Mami (talk) 23:09, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, still the same, nothing seems to have changed. Niektory (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Translation Misedits

User_talk:Yamaxandu is continually undoing the correct translation of "その八重垣を" which is an has an officially translated source Kushinadahime and also removing my citations in favor of his fan translation. Please advise. (sorry of this is wrong area 'report issue' links here.ADCK (talk) 10:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

  • No Reply? In case i'm not making myself clear, I'm requesting Admin assistance. This Yamaxandu kid is itching for an edit war, I feel like i'm doing the right thing here by reporting the issue, I have verifiable citations proving my case. It should be a simple thing for an admin to say yay or nay? ADCK (talk) 12:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • They didn’t respond because I am in the right ;) -Yamaxandu (talk) 12:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)