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How is your stay so far?

I figured I would ask everyone that since we got a good amount of people that moved here. How is your stay so far? For me it's so much better here since we're making some improvements^^ MaronaPossessed 12:00, 20 November 2010 (PST)

Making many improvements is the only way to leave Wikia behind. We shouldn't stop however, as we might end up in the same stale state in which old wiki has been recently. --WGH 13:06, 20 November 2010 (PST)
Well, I'm going to have to get used to some of these new (old?) controls (and/or looks). Still, I do think it is for the best that we move to the new site. I just hope there won't be any funding problems down the road. - Kiefmaster99 13:33, 20 November 2010 (PST)
If it helps ease your troubles, I can make donations if needed.MaronaPossessed 15:00, 20 November 2010 (PST)
I was pretty annoyed when I noticed the touhou.wikia format changed and I couldn't find edit histories... Still don't know where that is if it still exists. I much prefer this format. Also, I made a note on the wikia's main page discussion: "Should perhaps the message on the main page [about this wiki] be a little more noticeable? Like in red, or slightly bigger font to stand out a bit more than just bold? I can see a lot of people not noticing that. In fact, I bet a lot of people skip the first page entirely. The new wiki has the "this is the new wiki" message on every page it seems... is that kinda thing possible here? It would save effort for a lot of the edits that have to be redone like I just had to." -StrikerX22 16:17, 21 November 2010 (PST)
Another note: I don't know anything about it really, but finding this place on google seems like it might be an issue for a while. The easiest way to get here is to give the old wiki another click first, which doesn't really encourage those to come here either. When I google'd www.touhouwiki.net, the main page was the 4th result down, with a strange twitter title about it having "been 3 days." -StrikerX22 16:51, 21 November 2010 (PST)
I googled "touhou wiki" a couple days ago and it was on page 3. Now it's mysteriously disappeared, although there are strange fragments of the site on here and there on different pages. Very odd. I suppose if you wish to improve the new wiki's ranking on Google, look around for anyplace linking to the old wiki and change it. Also, if you want to make the message on the Wikia wiki more prominent (and in more places than just the mainpage), than see to it. I probably won't do it, because of COI. Momiji 22:54, 21 November 2010 (PST)
I've changed various links on the English Wikipedia to refer to en.touhouwiki.net instead of Wikia. —Nereid talk 00:22, 22 November 2010 (PST)
The main page of pooshlmer.com still links to the wikia page, but I'm not sure how many people use that link. ChiyuriKitashirakawa 11:42, 22 November 2010 (PST)
One of the Wikia people removed the link from the main page, but I added it back in. Hmm. Pufferfish101 18:00, 22 November 2010 (PST)


My stay so far has been great; no difficulties as of yet, and not to mention, I really like this format. It was merely coincidental of me to visit the Wikia to see that a number of users have moved here. I guess I came back at the right time or something. Anyways, just the entire simple tone to this layout makes things easier for me, and I'm sure we can adapt to the "new" things. It's pretty much the same, yes?
Naome 09:58, 23 November 2010 (PST)

Fine for me so far, even if I haven't done anything here since way back with the templates (just browsing the site and all that stuff). I have to say, this move was sudden for me, since I didn't read any discussions on the other wiki, but I think it's for the best. That old layout was just yuck (and even Monobook over there I don't really like that well >_<). This wiki though...I'm liking the layout, especially on the left side. Keep up all the good work people ^^
In other news...dunno exactly what the shortcut is for the signature now x_x Xenomic 12:16, 23 November 2010 (PST)

PC-98 endings

My opinion on this there should be a base that is unlinked to anything or possibly hidden on the recent changes list. We could have a section where we could post the pictures of the ending to be translated. So far there is a SoEW english patch and there may be more patches in the future. Or if you feel this should be discussed in MoTK, then omit what I said. MaronaPossessed 12:27, 21 November 2010 (PST)

I believe that this wiki's policy should be no different than the previous one. I'm a big fan of the PC98 games, and I probably play them more than the Win32 ones, and I don't want to be spoiled at all. Plus, ZUN's demand that the endings not be published. (That tells you just how bad I am at Touhou games, ahahahaa. T-T) Momiji 13:25, 21 November 2010 (PST)
Patchwork would probably be best discussed in a forum, such as yeah MotK. To create a separate page not meant to act as a proper article would probably be more hassle than what it's worth.
The only reason I would object to posting endings is due to ZUN's policy. If his policy wasn't there, then I would tolerate a separate page for ending scripts. Also, it is the end-user's prerogative if he or she chooses to access information knowing that, since a wiki is a collection of information, that it will contain spoilers. - Kiefmaster99 21:16, 21 November 2010 (PST)
Since the PC-98 games are so old and lapsed, along with having issues preventing them from being properly translated and patched, I feel that posting those endings in some form would be fair. That said, PC-98 translations and patches are still being worked on, albeit at a very slow rate. I've read that 3-5 have more than a few problems preventing them from getting done, however. Also, any ending translations to date, including PC-98, can be had elsewhere by anyone willing to search, anyway. So it's perhaps something that we needn't muck this wiki up with in the first place.
As with all endings, I believe old policy has it that videos, screenshots, and full, exact text is not fine, but summaries are. The latter could possibly be worked in somehow. In any case, I'm sure most would rather stay away from full scripts and screenshots, even for the PC-98 games. But that's what I've always assumed ZUN wanted all along. - UTW 07:36, 22 November 2010 (PST)
If I could identify a loophole in ZUN's policy, then I would use it. If others agree that summaries would be okay, then we could set up those. Based on what I have read on his policy, I would also be more indifferent to the posting of a script, but not screenshots. - Kiefmaster99 07:59, 22 November 2010 (PST)
Isn't there already another wiki with most of the ending scripts already partially posted? Anyway, I don't think the endings should be posted on this wiki. Pufferfish101 18:05, 22 November 2010 (PST)
You might be thinking of touhou-endings.wikia.com, which was deleted and the address redirected to the old wiki's mainpage a while ago. - UTW 19:06, 22 November 2010 (PST)
Nope, I'm thinking of touhouendings.wikkii.com. Pufferfish101 19:32, 22 November 2010 (PST)

Further improvements

We've started with improving navigation between albums of the same group. As for me, it looks really nice. But there's still a lot to do.

First, imagine that you've just learned about Touhou arrangement thing. By browsing YouTube, for example. Now you go to this wiki, wanting to learn more about that phenomenon. You, obviously, click on either "Arrange CDs" or "Doujin Circle/Arrange" link to the left. And you get a huge list sorted alphabetically. Where to start?.. This list's unable to answer that.

The wiki needs a better "entry point", an article which could contain:

  • Short description of the phenomenon.
  • List of the most outstanding groups and genres in which they play. This one is controversial though, as it's purely subjective. But I believe this wiki SHOULD have it in order to help newcomers find a starting point.
  • Some links to "Music Threads" at various imageboards and forums.
  • Link to List by Song, lol.

The same goes to fanfiction, fan games, etc.

--WGH 11:56, 23 November 2010 (PST)