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Playable (Unlockable) Character

First of all, the current edit war needs to stop. Now. Second, how about we actually assess the merits of relevant arguments, and use Talk Pages for disputes? "I got here first" is a piss-poor reason to justify any edit, and will bring negative attention from anybody. That said, at this present time, I actually do find stronger support for use of "Unlockable Character" over "Playable Character (Unlockable)". ULiL is primarily a fighting game, and ought to follow the formats of, in descending order, Hopeless Masquerade (direct sequel), SWR/soku/IaMP, PoFV, and then others. Hopeless Masquerade uses "Unlockable Character", so unless someone has a very, very good reason to use the other, it gets strong support from me.:Alternatively, we can change the format of all of the other fighting games to something else. Which is fine, but discuss here. - Kiefmaster99 (talk) 02:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

HM used to use "playable character" in earlier revisions, but it was changed by the same user to "unlockable". -- Mazian (talk) 02:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Point taken. In which case, we all still need to come to a common agreement on what to use for all of the articles. - Kiefmaster99 (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
This user has also vandalized the Phantasmagoria of Flower View page in exactly the same manner. They clearly have been deserving of having their editing rights frozen for a long time, and this new edit war only supports this. They were even given a warning previously. As for the other games, they also changed the texts for IaMP and SWR to "Unlockable character", but then again the previous text ("boss character") was even less descriptive. Drake Irving (talk) 05:51, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Right, time for business. First of all, I had no intentions of being part of this edit war; I find it distressing and also wish for it to stop. My prime argument to use "Playable Character (Unlockable)" over "Unlockable Character" is that it's being specific in what it's referring to. I try to think logically and thoroughly to the best I can; what does "Unlockable Character" mean specifically? An unlockable player? Unlockable boss? It sounds ambiguous. "Playable Character (Unlockable)" is very thorough in its meaning. Yes, we've got sub-headings saying "Playable Characters", but we still need to indicate it as such next to each character, following the tradition of this wiki listing characters' roles. Not only just that, it doesn't flow correctly with other characters that's just got "Playable Character". I've yet to see any valid reason why "Unlockable Character" would be preferable. Apparently, both terms are the same and Nintenchris5963 chose one over the other because it looks better; based on my point of view, they are not the same. Originally on the PoFV char page, the edit war stopped and kept the roles as "Playable Character (Unlockable)". I thought that, because of this, it would be a kind of conclusion to keep it that way, especially for other places, but I was wrong. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 16:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

It's been awhile now since this was discussed. As far as I can tell, having 'Playable Character (Unlockable)' would be the most supportive. If there really is no opposition to this, I shall go through all /char pages and change 'Unlockable Character' to the other one soon (unless someone else does this). Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 09:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to add that Kaguya was an unlockable character, but never playable. As are most of the Extra Stage bosses, I guess. --Wymar(⑨⑨) 01:54, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Tony. It should be Playable Character (Unlockable). As said it's thorough and unambiguous. 'Unlockable Character' can be, albeit often isn't, misleading. But the other way leaves no doubts. UTW 11:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Generic agreement. We should really just be consistent throughout the wiki in this regard. Drake Irving (talk) 01:15, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

As long as we're in agreement of what to use for all articles for sake of consistency, go for it. - Kiefmaster99 (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Using "Playable Character (Unlockable)" is plural and gigantic. Using "Unlockable Character" is singular and not ambiguous. "Unlockable Character" means Unlockable Character, and it makes even more sense. What if there is a Non-Playable Character? Would you put "Playable Character (Unplayable)" as a result? Nintenchris5963 (talk)

A non-playable character would be "boss". It's quite unfair to force your way on the wiki after an agreement has been made. Please don't vandalize the wiki just because you can't have it your way. ☢ Quwanti 11:43, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
You aren't doing a very good job of arguing your case. "Gigantic" isn't really a noteworthy complaint (plus it's just one word), and I'm not even sure what you mean by "plural". You claim "Unlockable Character" is not ambiguous, but give zero reason for this, while as stated several times "unlockable" does not necessarily imply "playable". If there's a non-playable character, you obviously would not title them "Playable Character", because they... aren't playable. They're simply given a different section: see Double_Spoiler/Characters for an example where there is a default playable, an unlockable playable, and several non-playables. If you want to not get shut down (and you will, if you continue to force your changes), you need to actually convince other people. Drake Irving (talk) 04:05, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Listen, it's not like I hate "Playable Character (Unlockable)" or anything. Sure I didn't want "Playable Character (Unlockable)", but I just want to make things short and all. How about this? This is for you, Tony64. "Unlockable Character" means a locked character that soon will be unlocked, and later it will be playable. (I'm sure everyone already know this.) It may not say "Playable", but later it will become playable. Or you can say "Unlockable Character (Playable)" if that's okay for you, Tony64. Nintenchris5963 (talk)

Does anyone agree this time? Nintenchris5963 (talk)

I cannot agree that 'Unlockable Character' is the best term for this. There is Kaguya Houraisan, for example: you have to clear Stage 6A to "unlock" her, but she does not become a playable character. Also, whether the character is available from the beginning or not does not seem like the best primary standard to show the character's role. I don't think it is necessary to display it first. Mario1star (talk) 13:05, 8 June 2015 (UTC)