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I'd like to request for a new optional parameter to be added to the infobox, called either "Faith" or "Religion". {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 00:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 
I'd like to request for a new optional parameter to be added to the infobox, called either "Faith" or "Religion". {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 00:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 
:Seems like I did this before, so again I wish to request this to be added. Cheers {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 20:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 
:Seems like I did this before, so again I wish to request this to be added. Cheers {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 20:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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::Religion plays a very important role in both Touhou and its characters. {{User:Tony64/Sig}} 11:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 11:55, 20 February 2016

For edit requests, please add your requests to this talk page so an admin can see and come to a conclusion whether to add or not.

Replace the old template[edit]

I believe it would be a better idea to get an admin to replace the old template with the new one instead of having 2 separate templates. Master Bigode 21:40, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

The name should be changed to this one, as it is an infobox. Plus, it would affect the page immediately which is annoying. It needs some good look before it is changed. ~ Quwanti 21:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

My idea of how the whole page should look[edit]

As you can see I converted the Hina Kagiyama page to this template with some other changes on the whole content. I think it would be useful to share those ideas and discuss it if people are against it.

(in order of the edit page)

Template[edit]

First make use of he template. Just fill everything in which are SURE.

age: This one should not be used UNLESS it has to be sure. No "somewhat between thus and that age", but an accurate age or which are reliable and in numbers. So like on Medicine's page "Unknown, but young for a youkai" is not good. So it should be left out. Or on Ran's page "Unknown (possibly older than 800 years)". "Older than" should not be used, because you can give for everyone "older than 1 year".
charTitle: The Character title has to be the character it's most used title, and its last title. Like for Sanae, the main one is "Newbie Goddess of the Mountain" and her latest "Selfish Shrine Maiden". Use the Template:H:title. First the Japanese name, and then the translation.
relationships: Those are official ones. And a REAL SHORT word or two words should give a short explanation.
musicThemes: Only use the OFFICIAL one's which ZUN said himself. So no stage themes. Example, Daiyousei does NOT have a theme, even though she appeared in a stage. Unless she have a music CD theme, like for the Three Mischievous Fairies.

The other parameters are on the template documentation. Use Template:H:title.

Introduction[edit]

The introduction appears under the template on the beginning of the page page. Start with "'''ENGLISH NAME'''(JAPANESSE NAME)" and a short description of who is she (shrine maiden, god of the misfortune) and as last where she (or rarely he) appeared in, (is the main character of Curiosities of Lotus Asia) or (is a playable character in most of the games)

Concept[edit]

The concept is all optional, but it has to talk about something. Make use of the official sources and ONLY use the official sources. So no words such as "could be" or "is possible".

Story[edit]

Story of the character in chronological order. For Hina I wrote a whole summary of what happens in both storylines of Marisa and Reimu, but if it has more story's (like for Reimu or Marisa) it should only list it when you have to fight those, and the rest a short summary (why is she part of the story, and how was she part of the end and why did she fought the enemy characters).

Additional Information[edit]

Make use of the Guidelines.

Spell Cards[edit]

If she has spell cards, take those from the List of Spell Cards.

Official Profiles[edit]

Just the official profiles. If from internet, use them as reference and link those to the page (make use of Template:Cite web.

Official Sources[edit]

Official sources in chronological order. If there is information from the prologue of a game, list that also. If there is a different profile in the demo of the game, give that one too.

References[edit]

References from outside this wiki. Those are often the official profiles, but could also be something ZUN said in an interview. Again, make use of the Cite Web Template.

Extra[edit]

Only link to an other page once. Only the first time it is on the page, except for the template. in the template it should link to something and in the rest of the page also, but only once in the rest of the page.

~ Quwanti 21:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


Converted List[edit]

Keep a track of which ones are converted. Good for looking for any problems that might occur. --Hikaruxz 04:24, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

They are all OK. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 09:25, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
It is ok that they are converted, but some needs more attention and information like Kyouko's page. :I will have the MoF cast on my list btw. ~ Quwanti 11:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I think it's best to do all the major characters and newer characters first cause the more thats added makes it that much harder to sort everything into their correct place. --Hikaruxz 13:59, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Prismriver Sisters[edit]

Argh, I alway forget. What about the Prismriver Sisters and the three mischievous Fairies. ~ Quwanti 11:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to come up with a solution. May take time to do... Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 11:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Finished list[edit]

Better that we keep track of articles that could be considered as "full finished" (so the whole story, backstory and all is available on the article).

<toggledisplay showtext="Show done characters pages" hidetext="Hide characters">

</toggledisplay>

<toggledisplay showtext="Show almost done characters pages" hidetext="Hide characters">

</toggledisplay>

and the rest needs some big stuff done. Though, it is possible that I missed some pages. ~ Quwanti (Talk) 20:46, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

One tiny suggestion I would like to say to an admin[edit]

Can an admin please add this to the template? Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 14:02, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

The removement of relationships[edit]

  • The long page is rather bothersome but more importantly it looks unnatural for some characters due to the lack of information for some while others have multiple paragraphs. I prefer having relationships back on the infobox but with certain guideline so everything is uniformed. My idea is somewhat like this.
  • Categories
    • Friend, Sister, Brother
      • Added first if any apply.
      • If a character is given this relation, other relation should not be added.
    • [Occupation]
      • Self explanatory.
      • If a character is given this relation, other relation should not be added.
    • Ally
      • Part of the same group.
      • Ex.Flandre's relation with other character within Scarlet Devil Mansion.
      • Ex.Miko, Futo and Tojiko's relation with Yoshika.
      • Ex.Unzan's relation with Byakuren
      • Ex.Aya's relation with Momiji.
      • Ex.Nue's relation with Shou
      • Ex.Kyouko's relation with Byakuren, Murasa, Shou, Nue, Unzan...etc
      • Ex.Shanghi's relation to Hourai and then with Goliath
    • Partner
      • Any character who works together for a common goal or destination, although not a offical alliance.
      • Ex.Marisa's relation with Nitori.
      • Ex.Ichirin's relation with Unzan. Added along with Ally.
    • Rival
      • Ex.Aya's relation with Hatate.
      • Ex.Reimu's oneway rivary with Byakuren. In this case the reason would be mentioned in story within Oriental Sacred Place. Reimu of course will not appear in Byakuren's profile becuase only Reimu is confirmed to think in that perspective.
    • Enemy
      • Ex.Mokou's relation with Kaguya.
      • Ex.Miko's relation with Byakuren.
    • Mutual
      • Ex.Utsuho's relation with Kanako. Reasons are obvious within story.
    • Possibly
      • Ex.Letty's one way relation to Cirno. The reason why it's oneway is because one might think of someone as a friend or acquaintance while the other doesn't.
      • Ex.Cirno's relation with Wriggle, Rumia, Mystia. Seen in the same group twice makes it highly likely but not 100%.
  • I think this would make the pages more suitable since having this information will let people find and read the whole story rather than just read a character page and possibly get the wrong information due to a error in translation at the time. Translations of games that go back to EOSD are still not perfected and are modified often and sometimes I see things in English on the character pages that doesn't correspond to both the Japanese and the current translation of the game aka obsolete data.

--Hikaruxz 09:53, 12 September 2011 (UTC) Side note this isn't a request, just a suggestion.--Hikaruxz 09:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

List of (xxx)[edit]

User:Quwanti/Template:CompactList

Though, the name could be just "small" or something, I would suggest using this for bulleted lists within the template. With this there would be more space for short "lists" of information, so some words wont get two lines. With this I hope the change from "300px" to "350px" could be changed back as I think it really looks ugly and really fat. ☢ Quwanti 21:45, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Seems I did not get any feedback yet. It is not a priority but pretty useful though. ☢ Quwanti 16:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Removing the four "unknowns"[edit]

Currently, there are four parameters that default to "unknown" if there is nothing given: species, abilities, occupation, and location. I think that all of those should be done the same way "age" is - that is, given as a blank by default, not "unknown." If it is written as "unknown," it could mislead people into thinking that it was officially given as "unknown," whereas it actually wasn't given.--としあき 18:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, a comment on "location." I think that this is a carry-over from when the character box was large and essentially contained the "synthesis of information" of "characters at a glance." However, with the "general information" sections, I do not think this is needed. The character boxes should only give information that has officially been given as fundamental information, and things like "location" that is only mentioned in other parts of the characterization (like the omake.txt, Shanghai Alice correspondence, Perfect Memento in Strict Sense, etc.) should be noted in "General Information" instead. There are really only a few things that should go in the character box: name, official nicknames, species, ability, titles, theme music, and appearances. Everything else should go elsewhere.--としあき 18:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Additionally: to change the word "location" to "residence." "Location" implies something more fixed, which is not proper for characters who move about.--としあき 19:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I would then recommend changing the template itself to "Not specified", or blanking out on default, as you suggested. That being said, is there any profile that actually does state "Unknown"?
Residence is more specific than Location and would be something I'd be willing to support. But, are there any characters for which Location would make more sense than Residence? I would keep it in the infobox section. - Kiefmaster99 19:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, pretty much all of the PC-98 characters have "Ability: Unknown" as well as Daiyousei. There are also plenty of profiles that state "unknown" as "occupation." There are plenty more that are merely guesses at occupation that should be deleted since they are made-up just to fill something in for "occupation."--としあき 19:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Which works state occupation and which don't?- Kiefmaster99 20:01, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, there are pretty much no works that state occupation the same way abilities or titles are stated for the characters, other than things like "the elegant maid of a certain mansion." As such, most characters shouldn't have anything for their "occupation."--としあき 21:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I actually made this suggestion before to make abilities, occupation, and location (I'm excluding species) not show if unknown (can't remember what and where it happend). Due to this, I support. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 21:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Misunderstanding here. When I said "profile", I was expecting some game profile, not the Touhou Wiki kind. Anyways, with that previous question answered, at least for occupation, I would tolerate synthesis to some extent. Occupation would make sense for some characters (Reimu, Marisa, Patchouli, Sakuya) and not a whole lot of sense for many others (Rumia, Cirno). I would support blanking occupation for those characters. - Kiefmaster99 05:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Items[edit]

It might be a good idea to add an optional space to the template for any special items the character is known to own/use, like Marisa's Hakkero. --Prime32 (talk) 15:50, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

That seems fine. Perhaps it can be added to the template? Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 23:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Religion parameter[edit]

I'd like to request for a new optional parameter to be added to the infobox, called either "Faith" or "Religion". Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 00:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Seems like I did this before, so again I wish to request this to be added. Cheers Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 20:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Religion plays a very important role in both Touhou and its characters. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 11:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)