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Please don't ask me any wiki-related stuff. I'd just feel annoyed, and won't help you anyway. There should be plenty of other people able to help you.

If not, well, looks like the fanbase isn't that large! :-P


Hi, welcome to Touhou Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Image:Olja 0003.jpg page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Toughpigs (Talk) 16:44, March 28, 2009

I, holy crap dude. Thanks for the props! I'll make sure to link the BGM Extractor when I upload soon! --DarkOverord 19:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I was reviewing your contribution to the Ten Desires page and was wondering if you had a source for the combined tracks you mentioned? Thanks. -Whoopidoo-

Here's an archive with the combined tracks. There are some floating around imageboards, but I guarantee that this one is flawless and perfectly lines up everything. --NamelessLegacy 14:18, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

MusicRoom template

Hey, I'm pretty sure there is a piece of code that makes templates parse section headings, do you know what it is ? What I want to do is adding level 5 headers (they look the same as bold text) to the "category" field of the template to make a POC appear, allowing people to link directly to specific music comments. Master Bigode 15:37, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Just add <h5> tags around the text that should appear as a section heading.
However, this could make the TOC appear inside the first table if it's not already present on the page. To avoid this, just specify __TOC__ in front of the template code (after <includeonly>). MediaWiki will only consider the first appearance of that command. --NamelessLegacy 16:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

?

What happened?

Did you lose interest?

Or did some traumatic event occur in your life?

Either way, you will be sorely missed friend!

♥★♦ 17:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

If you would just know how much the fanbase will really miss me.
But anyway, yeah, I lost interest pretty much, and I blame that largely on
  • the entire Japanese arrange music scene being so damn shallow and meme-driven, as well as terribly unorganized and unable to deal with its own weight,
  • us Western fans failing to build up any comparable arrange scene where we would have learned from those mistakes and shifted the focus to the communication between arrangers and listeners and
  • the usual wear marks after being a super-primary fan for two years
Yeah, I did my fair share of work to improve the fanbase. But I'm not willing to put more and more months of work into further improving its state when I'm that butthurt already.
During the past month, I elaborated on all this on various other sites, so if you want to know more, I just direct you there instead of rephrasing the whole sermon yet another time:

--NamelessLegacy 01:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

You did good while you were here friend.

I hope it wasn't us that drove you away.

I wish you would reconsider, but as you said, if you feel if you aren't making a difference, then it be selfish 4 me to ask you to stay

I wish you warmly!

♥★♦ 03:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's peoples choice whether to stay or not, it's also peoples opinions about all the stuff said above as many might disagree. Agree with that? Well, hope you find something really interesting out there! (As I already have (lol)) --Tony64 10:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

It's quite sad to see someone as amazing as you just leave like that, but... it's not like I can do anything about it, and I kind of understand your point(s). Oh well. I hope you have success in whatever you decide to do in the future, and maybe even maybe give this mess of a fanbase a second try. Thanks for everything. --Zurren 17:19, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Western Arrange Scene

Western Arrange Scene

Check the progress here.

If you have any advice, please do tell.

♥★♦ 03:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Shuusou Gyoku Text

Thank you for pasting the Seihou Shuusou Gyoku Main Scenario text. I tried writing it all by myself and I had a hard time doing so. :S I'll try to translate it from there, Thank you. --☢☢☢ CAUTION!! ☢☢☢ 10:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Need approval

I haven't forgotten about you, plz give your opinion on these please...

Nazeo Test 0.ogg

Nazeo Test 1.ogg

Nazeo Test 3.ogg

Nazeo Test 4.ogg

♥★♦ 18:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Short answer: Denied.
Long answer: *facepalm*.

Whining

Note to everyone else: Further commenting any of those points is pointless, I won't change my opinion. If you agree, act and leave. If you disagree, call me a self-righteous ass and leave. Thank you.
It seems that you still don't get the big picture of what I'm saying.
Did you seriously read and understand my Western arrange scene document? Then why do you try to get my approval by covering some mainstream character themes I stopped caring about long time ago?
This is not what the fanbase needs, goddamnit! And this is the sole reason I even wrote this PDF and created the arrange wishlist in the first place. The fanbase should no longer place its main focus on those popular themes which were already arranged to death. Touhou is such a large and diverse field musically. Yet the content producers only scratch a small surface, over and over again. Really, I'm facepalming and almost crying every time I'll read some fan saying that some rare theme needs more love. Because that's what I've been trying to tell everybody!
Then, I cry myself to sleep, wake up, check my e-mail, and see the 9002nd new chiptune arrangement of U.N. Owen pop up. The irony! Do you now understand why this behavior drove me out of the fanbase? You shouldn't even try to get my approval with this. Really, I feel slightly insulted.
Now, you might be saying "But we all enjoy listening to over 9000 similar arrangements, and hey, the arrangers are having one hell of a time creating those! The fanbase is SO DEVOTED, this is THE BEST THING EVER". Well, then I apparently have a different personality compared to the majority of the fanbase. I can not constantly listen to what's essentially the same few songs for nearly three years now. I can not feed off "memories" when the underlying content never became "old" to begin with, because the fanbase keeps beating this dead horse.
I just won't enjoy creating music if the result will be nothing special to anybody, including myself. I believe it is futile to even try making music when you don't have own, unique ideas, and when the same combination of source, theme and music genre was most certainly been done before much better by some distant, faceless and unreachable Japanese arranger some years ago!
You said you don't want to become a Japanese arranger? Then why do you start out exactly that way, mirroring their behavior? Again, Japan is too caught up in their established, bullshit doujin scene conformity to change anything, and this is exactly the way your oh so almighty god wants things to be! This is why I seek hope in the Western fanbase, which already tends to care more about obscure themes.
You said you don't want to be/remain a secondary? Then why do you behave like a prime example of one? The most crucial flaw in your "Primary and secondary fandom" page was that it appropriated the content production to the super-primary group. This is just wrong. It's exactly the secondaries, those who know the least about Touhou, who produce a vast majority of the content. This is why everything's so shallow in the first place!
In the IRC, you sounded as if you would already start out with covering some of my wishlist entries? Now, I can understand you're just starting out and won't immediately try your hand on one of my ideas. But why do all of the files have my name in the URL? Apparently, you're just doing this for me after all, without being particularly interested in making music...
... You know what's the worst thing about all this? That I apparently have to constantly repost and rephrase all of this every so often. Not only because people like you just don't seem to get it, but more because people seem to agree, yet it doesn't seem to prompt much action and my voice is drowned and sage'd into oblivion. Like "that's nice and all and so true, but let's continue sharing cosplay pictures from the latest conventions, *power level or moe/waifu-ness discussion* and OH LOOK THAT'S SUCH AN AMAZING COSMIC MIND ARRANGE ZOMG".
This way, I can never truly, 100% seperate myself from Touhou like I already wanted some months ago. All the time and effort I already put into this would have been worthless if nothing changes.
Fuck my life.


P.S.: My protip for the next weeks: Don't, I repeat DON'T focus on creating Ten Desires arrangements. With new memes and new oh so moe kawaii desu uguu~ characters, Japan's arrange scene will sure be all over it.
There is (or rather, should be) no pride in being the first one to upload a MIDI rip synthesized through a crappy soundfount and call it an "arrangement". This sort of thing takes time . Just avoid it until there is a clear lack of arrangements of certain themes after the Winter Comiket.
I don't care how good the music will be (heck, my hard drive won't even see this game, for sure). Just pay back the fanbase for how terribly it treated Double Spoiler and Fairy Wars music, heh.

Just my two cents: I believe that things like this happen because way too many people share the same favorites, then feel like arranging their favorites and you get that 9003rd U.N.Owen arrangement. Asking for people to be a bit more diverse if they want to arrange Touhou music is OK, but I don't think that asking them to stop liking the most popular themes is. Not that I know what's the primary reason doujin musicians have to arrange Touhou music, anyway. --Zurren 17:19, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Serious critique

*sigh* But OK, let's look at this with an open mind.
So, you chose "chiptune" to start out? Hmm... people always think that "8-bit music ran on simple hardware, so it should be simple to make".
However, chiptune music is about more than just using basic waveforms. There is another limitation people often don't realize: the low number of audio channels in those old sound chips (often no more than 4) resulted in a low polyphony. You can't just play full guitar power chords and a melody at the same time if you want "true" 8-bit sound. That old hardware couldn't do that either!
It's pretty cumbersome to try and force an existing MIDI to fit those limitations. You'd better off recreate the song from scratch and perhaps directly use dedicated tracker software (which, however, could be a bit difficult to understand). So, please don't go out and call this "8-bit", because it's everything but.
Still, props to you for not using GXSCC as the obvious synthesizer choice. Actually, those waveforms doesn't sound that much like any 8-bit sound chip either, more like some FM synthesizer.
Also, I might add that most outsiders don't particularly care about your self-imposed synthesizing limits. The always rate your song based on the final result they hear. So, only restrict yourself if the nerdy pleasure you get out of this is more worth than what everyone else thinks of the song.
Thus, you should definitely use all the possibilities of audio production (reverb, EQ and that stuff) accordingly in order to improve your sound. As I said, your music isn't even "true 8-bit" to begin with. It's not supposed to be synthesized by a sound chip. So it's just lame to use that term as an excuse for cheap sound.
If you focus on only one solo instrument (which is what you do here), you need to concentrate all the more on making this one instrument sound natural, varied and interesting. To bring another example, it's just lame to claim to make "solo piano arrangements" when everything you do is just to strip some background instruments and drums and run the rest through a piano soundfount. The results will just sound mechanical and unrealistic. This is not what piano playing is about! And, as I said, it's the same with 8-bit.
And to be honest, entirely relying on modifying pre-made MIDIs isn't what I'd call "arranging music" in the first place (according to some people, it's the sole reason why there's so many TH06/07/08 arranges). And it seems that you did exactly this here. Those tracks are always hard to judge, since I can't easily tell what you did and what you stole from somebody else. I'll just compare those to the original pieces then. You'll sure know if the things I said really apply to your own work...
  • U.N. Owen: Well, there are some slightly wrong chords here and there.
  • Doll Judgment and Satori Maiden: Why did you render those as 8-bit? Those were clearly written for a rock band. Just listen to those guitar chords.
  • Homicide Moon: Oh wait, what theme is this? You should _always_ state your covered sources and themes if you want others to fully appreciate your work. I'm, understandably, a bit out of the loop with identifying Touhou themes... wait, is this Flowering Night? Oh wow, this is actually quite well written! Congratulat...
*googles title*
WHAT THE FUCK, YOU STOLE THAT FROM IOSYS. And the other songs are probably stolen as well.
And yet again, you're doing it wrong. This is not how Touhou arrange music works! It should always be about putting your unique spin on a canon theme. This is just one many arrangements of the original Luna Dial! It's perfectly fine to reference other arranges or other music in general in your work. But what you do here is nothing but outright plagiarism.
Now, I know that you clearly meant this to be "a remix of Homicide Moon by IOSYS". But look, I never heard of that particular song, so I interpreted it as a Luna Dial arrangement, based on the original song by ZUN, and it's a kinda good one musically. Didn't you always say that you don't want to take credit for the work of others? Well, this is exactly what you're doing here, in my view.
If you claim to make "Touhou arrangements", your arrangement will usually be, on the music side, only seen in relation to the original song by ZUN. That's just how the definition goes.


(And if you honestly thought of Homicide Moon to be a "legit Touhou song", this just adds to your secondary score.)
(Actually, it would have been even more sad and ridiculous if you had used the really popular song in Japan instead.)


But in the end, it delights me to see that I'm proved right. You are already better at making music than at web design or video editing.
I'd suggest you to upload those to YouTube. I'll bet you'd instantly get some popularity and subscribers lauding your devotion to Touhou (because hell, that's how this blasted fanbase works, haha). This may motivate you to pursue the idea further. Heck, because the majority of fans just don't know better, it might even be more popular than if you would try to please me (which is, again, something you should not do, because you can't get me back anyway).
Yeah, it will take you years to get really good. But look, you're just starting out like everyone did back then, and you already are on par with the worst of Japan's arrangers :-).
I recently came across this excellent guide on arranging music. I'd really suggest you to read that one if you're interested! Some of the sound creation sections may be especially relevant to the style of music you want to create.
For the future, please only post here if you have something interesting (and I think, by now you should have a pretty good grasp of what I mean with this term). Keep in mind that you just make me rage yet again if you post secondary stuff.
And another tip: If you can't listen to your own music only because "it's bad" and "you're ashamed of it", you did something wrong. --NamelessLegacy 07:29, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey hey hey, calm down! If there's anyone who should be doing this, it's me. We don't even know who you're talking to, and besides, I can't access the IRC, so I know even less what you're talking about. Care to specify? Oh, and I'l address the whole of your post later.

--Sefam 12:11, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I think he's yelling at Nazeo. Momiji 13:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

What I have to say for myself...

...But again, I tried.
I started with 8-bit because it was a start, as I would work on 16, then 32, then 64, and so on.
If you want me to use the original midis, I can do that too, I was just experimenting on the ones already listed (they were tests as I wanted to know if I was heading in the right direction, but due to your reaction, that is a resounding NO, which is all I asked for.)
Also, I really don't care much for what the fanbase trends on, what I care about is getting this right.
So... I'm lost.
Here is a nice bullet pointed list of what confuses me.
  • You call me secondary, yet you rely on me on creating arrange, a grand task
  • You hate my music, yet you want me to keep making it
  • You say I never read your .pdf while I base everything that I do from it and has became my second Bible.
  • I'm a highschool student who doesn't own, or play any noteworthy instrument, and is much less likely to have a band, yet I'm tasked on making ZUN level (Yeah,yeah I know your feelings on him) music, which really hurts my chances for making this work
  • Speaking of the .pdf, you tell me that my website sucks, but I should still advertise for it.
  • Everyone else gave up, yet here I am still trying to make this work
That aside, either you like seeing me fail, or you could tell me exactly what to do (and I read the damn thing countless times)
I still wanna do this, I just need some guidance...
Honestly, I feel horrible that I'm messing up, because you DO expect a lot out of me and that's why I keep trying.
I can't wait for the day you finally go "Yes! My wish has been fulfilled" (or something along those lines) and it doesn't even have to be me to do it. I just want it to come true and so far, you and I had no help so it looks like your stuck with my secondary style until I get better or someone steps in.
(Everyone else, back off. It's me that is messing up, not Nmglc. I just need to figure out how to craft the wish better. Disregard my last statement,no one is obligated to help, and I don't expect them to.)
...Now I'll just bang my face against the wall now.
♥★♦ 23:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)