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:::I think the icon for "Glossary" should be changed (into a book only, without Patchy for example). As of now, personally I think it's not well-arranged to have 2 character icons for '''"Character"''' and "Glossary".[[User:Rantuyetmai|Rantuyetmai]]
:::I think the icon for "Glossary" should be changed (into a book only, without Patchy for example). As of now, personally I think it's not well-arranged to have 2 character icons for '''"Character"''' and "Glossary".[[User:Rantuyetmai|Rantuyetmai]]
::::Oh, I didn't notice that the Japanese counterpart for the official games were stripped. But I would definitely try to fit them in somehow as they are part of the official titles, but if they can't, oh well. With regards to 東方OOO, I just think that the current version is rather long. We would also have to stick a translation for that somewhere on the front page too or something. ウィキ as used before would be the most literal, requiring no translation, but whatever, so long as it's short or just "Touhou Wiki". I still think that Ongoing Wiki Work should at least be moved to the side (maybe under News, a left-right static index vs. recent info?). As much as I agree with getting contributors to help out, >90% of the time I have nothing/am unable to contribute, and that big section on the front page is more likely to get in my way. Or maybe its just me, since I tend to access the games pages rather frequently and get updates through other means. I also plan on making a last of all Spell Cards during X-mas break so you know. [[User:Kiefmaster99|Kiefmaster99]] 14:51, 6 December 2010 (PST)
::::Oh, I didn't notice that the Japanese counterpart for the official games were stripped. But I would definitely try to fit them in somehow as they are part of the official titles, but if they can't, oh well. With regards to 東方OOO, I just think that the current version is rather long. We would also have to stick a translation for that somewhere on the front page too or something. ウィキ as used before would be the most literal, requiring no translation, but whatever, so long as it's short or just "Touhou Wiki". I still think that Ongoing Wiki Work should at least be moved to the side (maybe under News, a left-right static index vs. recent info?). As much as I agree with getting contributors to help out, >90% of the time I have nothing/am unable to contribute, and that big section on the front page is more likely to get in my way. Or maybe its just me, since I tend to access the games pages rather frequently and get updates through other means. I also plan on making a last of all Spell Cards during X-mas break so you know. [[User:Kiefmaster99|Kiefmaster99]] 14:51, 6 December 2010 (PST)
:::::Japanese names of the games aren't even on Slime's page. And they're really something that could just stay on the games' pages anyway... most often they're kinda close to the English part of the title.
:::::And I figured I'd use kanji over katakana. None of the games use kanji in the Japanese title aside from Double Spoiler and Hisoutensoku... and neither was in the Touhou part of the title. '''''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">TTE</span>]]'''''[[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000;">chidna</span>]] 02:01, 7 December 2010 (PST)

Revision as of 10:01, 7 December 2010

I definitely prefer white being the primary background color for text. I think the games are laid out neater than Darkslime's too, but the color coding on the games themselves irks me a little, no idea why. The big problem though is it doesn't fit on 1024x768, which is still the default resolution on a lot of machines out there. Tubercular Ox 20:32, 29 November 2010 (PST)

It doesn't fit at 1280x960 either, at least not on Chrome. Curtmack 22:55, 29 November 2010 (PST)


As the Windows games differ a lot, there's no need to split them into two generations. The other thing is I feel that the ZUN's other works should be listed alongside the games and not crammed into the sidebar.

And the main problem as others have said, is it's way too wide. The current main page does not need to scroll even at 800x600.

The coloured button design is nice though. Maybe it it was confined to two rows kinda like the current main page. G6672D 04:13, 30 November 2010 (PST)

(Although others have already mentioned it) the design seems too wide. I like the colors though. Good job! I'm looking forward to what the front page would look like after redesigning :) Deathsoul4 15:39, 30 November 2010 (PST)

Echidna. May I say for the most part that I love you for this design? It's far easier on the eyes than Darkslime's design, and goes well with the friendly feel I think we're looking for. As mentioned above, the main problem this design has is that it is too wide. I run a somewhat widescreen monitor (1024x600) and it still has a horizontal scroll bar; that's a little much, in my opinion. As for those of you who say there is no need to separate the games by generation: I can agree in concept, as all are official Touhou games; however, for the sake of organization, assuring something can be to the right of the official games table, I'd say unless you just wanna put five games per line and be done with it, we have no other categorical means by which to separate the Windows games (and I don't see anyone complaining about the fighting and side games being organized away from the traditional shooters). Also, I will nitpick just a little bit: all words in table headers should be capitalized except articles (a, an, the; words like that). Other that these issues, though, I like this design far better than Darkslime's. AceOfHeartsDX 08:37, 1 December 2010 (PST)

Keep this one thing in mind, though: This would be nothing without Slime's design. My point is to improve on his, he improves where mine's deficient, I improve where his is deficient, and eventually we come up with something amazing. So I absolutely needn't take all credit. TTEchidna 10:25, 3 December 2010 (PST)

hmm...

| rowspan="4" width="40px" style="color:#AADDFF; line-height:40px; font-size:300%;" | {{lang|ja|東<br />方<br />ウ<br />ィ<br />キ}}
| width="67%" valign="top" style="-moz-border-radius: 10px; background: #FFFFFF; border: 2px solid #225588;" |
=Welcome to Touhou Wiki!=
The '''[[Touhou Project]]''' ('''{{lang|ja|東方Project}}''')

fix this - KyoriAsh 13:37, 3 December 2010 (PST)

Fix what part specifically? TTEchidna 01:37, 4 December 2010 (PST)
Maybe the redlink? -Wymar 07:07, 4 December 2010 (PST)
Redlink would go to this page once I mainspace it. I only haven't yet because roundycorners aren't 100% endorsed by everyone yet (but I know I'm making them grow on you guys with this main page). TTEchidna 13:12, 4 December 2010 (PST)
I mean, add the lang tag for japanese word as the sample above - KyoriAsh 16:15, 4 December 2010 (PST)
But what does it change? TTEchidna 22:11, 4 December 2010 (PST)
Natively render Japanese word in japanese environment rather in normal environment in which some user may use chinese environment to render japanese kanji words.
For more information please refer Lang Template for more information - KyoriAsh 01:13, 5 December 2010 (PST)

The improved width really does make a huge difference. I'm still liking the white backgrounds over the blue ones Darkslime has. But now the links to the games are too far down, and you've got the problem of the icons being too small to be anything other than blobs of color. For the first, maybe a "Jump to Games" link near the top instead of moving all the games themselves? For the second... bigger icons, or zoom in on just a part of the icon.
Tubercular Ox 06:31, 5 December 2010 (PST)

The PC-98 game covers are now small enough for me to prefer the white background. I'm tempted to move ongoing wiki work to the bottom, or even off the front page, or just put summaries in the "Other News" section. Most people who come here are more interested in obtaining info rather than wiki improvement. I like the organization of the games - chronological and colour-coded. Maybe make the borders a bit larger for the colour to be more obvious, as some colours are a bit too similar and would be hard on the eyes. Move the Official Games section to where the Ongoing Wiki Work is, and move the Official/Unofficial up one as well. I'm also not sure if the extra Japanese text at the top is absolutely necessary except for 東方. This wiki is primarily in English anyways. Or at least shorten it to 東方OOO. Kiefmaster99 17:26, 5 December 2010 (PST)

The issue with that: if i move it up, it'll lock the widths further, and force them to take up much more of the page in height, rather than width. As for them being in while ongoing wiki work is out, most people who come here will know about the games already, but won't know what to do on the wiki. And a wiki can't grow without contributors. And thicker borders, meh, I'd go for different colors over that. As for the Japanese text, it's there to be a joke about the fact that all Touhou games are named 東方OOO ~ Gratuitous English. If you notice, it reads "Eastern Global Village Network Encyclopedia ~ Touhou Wiki". Global village network = internet. Internet encyclopedia = wiki. Tah dah. TTEchidna 22:35, 5 December 2010 (PST)
You know I never looked at that part of the page. But I agree with Kiefmaster99 if we're going to have a reference like that, we should stick to 東方OOO. May I suggest 東方衆恵本? Character by character, we all recognize touhou. 衆 means both a very big (but nonspecific) number in general and also the people/the populace as a whole specifically. 恵 is a favor, gift, or blessing. And 本 means both book and source (ie of knowledge). So it's the Eastern Book of the People's Favors. Although to be fair that's probably as much japanese gibberish as "Embodiment of Scarlet Devil" is English. Technically correct, but missing something. For the record, it'd be Touhou Shuukeihon.
Honestly that kind of thing doesn't seem necessary to me, and possibly a little silly, but if we make it fit the 東方OOO pattern I can see it being used as a marketing tool. "Oh, hey, they're being clever. But what does it mean?" And then if we went with my suggestion we have a FAQ page where we talk about the people and favors and get them to read about contributing.
Tubercular Ox 11:16, 6 December 2010 (PST)
Lovely rearrangement. I was surprised that the games got pushed down but yeah, news and things that had to do for the Wiki should be conspicuous like this. Beside the advantage of informing people, it also get regular changes (of news) and eventually more attention from everyone.
I agree we should put full name of every Touhou game in the format 東方OOO ~ EnglishTitle. Those Japanese parts are official and deserved to be recognized through repeated seeing. The game cover size is okay, but I don't think putting them packed tightly like that is wise. It make realizing which game is PC-98, which is Windows gen.1, etc. non-intuitive. You could use the same boxes like now (for games and for indication of PC-98, fighting games, etc), then having the arrangement of Darkslime's version? Don't be afraid to make the page length increase, it's going to anyway with new games appear every year.
I think the icon for "Glossary" should be changed (into a book only, without Patchy for example). As of now, personally I think it's not well-arranged to have 2 character icons for "Character" and "Glossary".Rantuyetmai
Oh, I didn't notice that the Japanese counterpart for the official games were stripped. But I would definitely try to fit them in somehow as they are part of the official titles, but if they can't, oh well. With regards to 東方OOO, I just think that the current version is rather long. We would also have to stick a translation for that somewhere on the front page too or something. ウィキ as used before would be the most literal, requiring no translation, but whatever, so long as it's short or just "Touhou Wiki". I still think that Ongoing Wiki Work should at least be moved to the side (maybe under News, a left-right static index vs. recent info?). As much as I agree with getting contributors to help out, >90% of the time I have nothing/am unable to contribute, and that big section on the front page is more likely to get in my way. Or maybe its just me, since I tend to access the games pages rather frequently and get updates through other means. I also plan on making a last of all Spell Cards during X-mas break so you know. Kiefmaster99 14:51, 6 December 2010 (PST)
Japanese names of the games aren't even on Slime's page. And they're really something that could just stay on the games' pages anyway... most often they're kinda close to the English part of the title.
And I figured I'd use kanji over katakana. None of the games use kanji in the Japanese title aside from Double Spoiler and Hisoutensoku... and neither was in the Touhou part of the title. TTEchidna 02:01, 7 December 2010 (PST)