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::::::::::And let's not forget the best explanation: early inconsistency about how all these barriers work. In IN it's said it would be impossible to travel between Gensokyo and the Moon due to the barrier, so no one from the Moon could find Kaguya and Eirin, yet we have SSiB and CiLR. The Hakurei barrier itself was meant to be made by humans and Yuyuko said Yukari couldn't do it, then BAM, later canon says it was actually made by youkai themselves, and specifically by Yukari. [[User:PK|PK]] ([[User talk:PK|talk]]) 18:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Every boss could revive at the end of a battle to use their last spells, and yet Kaguya and Mokou are the only ones confirmed (not implied) to have taken the elixir. The ending implied she has done it, but it could be that she decided not to take it afterwards. Yuyuko wasn't scared of Eirin at all and she'd be so if she was immortal. The barrier of the Netherworld is at least confirmed to prevent the immortals from getting to the Netherworld, and Lunarians have other ways to go to the earth, such as the Dream World. [[User:BraviNoname|BraviNoname]] ([[User talk:BraviNoname|talk]]) 10:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, every boss revives, but Eirin is the only one who has an explanation for it, and it's explicitly the elixir no matter how you look at it. Yuyuko was scared of Mokou because she outright tried her powers and it didn't work. I mean, she was also not scared of Kaguya because she never tried it against her for that matter, and she actually says "my enemy!" when Eirin says she took, or was going to take, the elixir. And the point isn't that it's ''later'' revealed that there are 2000 ways to come to Gensokyo from the Moon (Reisen 2 used a primitive physical way), because in IN both Yukari (who travels to the Moon on her own, and knows Toyohime can do the same) ''and'' the narrator both said Eirin's entire plan was pointless since at that time there was explicitly no way for someone from the Moon to enter Gensokyo and find Kaguya. It's clearly a retcon about how it works, and shows how ZUN can, and will, change idea about how the series work, especially if you consider that he was supposed to end Touhou right at IN.
 
Anyway, it's basically like this:
 
* Eirin is considered an immortal by the end of CiLR
* In IN she said she was going to become immortal in IN, or that she already was (coincides with at least being immortal in CiLR)
* Revives because of the elixir (coincides with being already immortal and with CiLR)
 
so i'm not even sure what the problem is anymore. She either was already immortal, and immortals not being able to enter the Netherworld is a later retcon even if you take it literally, or she became immortal after the ending. The only point against her immortality is entering the Netherworld, and it doesn't matter anyway if she took it after the ending even if you take the statement as being absolutely, literally true even in IN. [[User:PK|PK]] ([[User talk:PK|talk]]) 11:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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