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Needed[edit]

Oi, can someone go add back the stuff reverted on March 19, 2012 (cleaned up, confirmed, etc)? In addition, that part of Eirin's backstory that reveals she was with Lord Tsukuyomi even before he went to the Moon... was that from Cage in Lunatic Runagate or their Scarlet Weather Rhapsody ending? Ugh, it's been so long... could have sworn I added all this when I discovered that back then but now I don't even remember exactly WHERE it came from.

I just don't have the time I used to for this wiki (or... for anything :|). Ah well, if someone else isn't able to get around to it, I'll see what I can do about restoring/fixing Eirin's article when my CPE credits are finished in a few months TiamatRoar (talk) 01:17, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Eirin's Immortality, Part 1 or whatever: Various Sources of Info[edit]

"She's in both endings for the rabbits (and maybe one more?), but I forget the numbers.


About Eirin's "immortality", doesn't Kaguya implies in Final A that is her power to manipulate eternity that keeps Eirin alive? Also, Forbidden Arcanum "Hourai Elixir" is not the only shared Spell Card, if you consider PCB's Shikigami "Chen" and Shikigami "Ran".

--Nietz 05:35, 14 November 2007 (PST)

there is no idea YET on eirin's immmortality... but there is a lot of assumption that eirin has also drank the hourai elixir

and regarding eirin last spell... shikigami is using THEM, not a teamwork spell card

--MizunoYukino

I believe that she strongly implies that she didn't in CiLR, but I agree that we'd better wait to see more of Bougetsushou before answering that.
And about the shared spellcards, it really depends on your definition. Hourai Elixir is described in-game as being only Eirin's. But that and the Shikigami ones are the only spellcards that feature more than one character. --Nietz 12:06, 4 January 2008 (PST)
I'm probably getting it wrong, but doesn't Yuyuko try to give Eirin tea brewed with a deadly poison in one of the Ghost Team's endings? (It's not clear if Eirin actually drinks it, I guess ...) —Kimiko 02:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, if the Inaba comic is supposed to be canon, Eirin shouldn't have been able to get ill if she drank the hourai elixir. However, Kaguya said that purity (of the moon or her spell) prevents vases from being damaged and everything stays the same. So in total purity, everyone would be immortal.AoA 13:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, having replayed the Ghost Team's scenario, Eirin says that it's because of her skill with medicine etc. that the poison didn't affect her, my bad ... —Kimiko 17:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
You should know ZUN isn't the composer but drafts the orinal scheme. The composer is Toshihira ARATA. So it would be common understanding that Arata's working is much up to official, but that it is fanfic: ZUN allows him to compose good manga as Arata likes, so it can make many funny discrepancies. --Masuo64 09:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


About the article, it states that Eirin is human.. but she isn't she a lunarian? did the translator had an error or is Eirin a human that went to the moon? Or is the Lunarians counted a type of human?Wrathie 08:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It could be because "lunarian" (月) includes the word "human" (人) and because PMiSS records her as human. There has been no place that the relationship between lunarian and human, I suppose, so we can't conclude that lunarian isn't human — of course, also can't conclude that lunarian is human. --Masuo64 09:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
ah, i see but then can we count her as a human too?? i mean since PMiSS says she is a human she is a human... but i think it's not state in Kaguya's profile as well? Maybe it's just Eirin that is human?Wrathie 12:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but keep in mind that PMiSS is from Akyu's point of view - she doesn't know everything about everyone. For example, this line from Eirin's article: "Rumor has it that she is a human with a deep connection to the Lunar Capital. " We know that Eirin is originally from the moon, but Akyu writes that it's only a rumour that she has a connection to the moon. Anyway, wasn't the founder of the lunar capital a human as well? Anathe 14:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

"Eirin's Last Spell (Forbidden Arcanum "Hourai Elixir") is the only spell card that is shared by two characters (the other character being Kaguya Houraisan) in the whole Touhou series." What about the shikigami cards of Ran and Yukari? ---


Recently it says on her wiki page that Mokou can't visit the Netherworld because she is immortal (can I have a source on this). This might mean that Yuyuko and Youmu's IN good endng may have actually quashed the Eirin is immortal idea.Universalperson 13:09, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Can't die due to age (Eirin, supposedly) isn't the same as can't die NO MATTER WHAT (Mokou). The problem's with the English word "immortal" and how it's ambivalently used nowadays. TheTrueBlue 18:46, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
You misunderstood, I meant to say that if Mokou can't enter the Netherworld, then ZUN may have, in a roundabout way, answered the question as to whether Eirin drank the Hourai Elixir as well as Kaguya and Mokou.-Universalperson 20:04, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
The Hourai Elixir isn't the only means to immortality. Although if what you've proposed is inferable and sensible then add it to the article if you wish. TheTrueBlue 22:22, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Eirin's Immortality, Part 2 or whatever: Ghost Team IN Ending[edit]

The issue's been raised that the ghost team ending in IN has been mistranslated (I hope there's no need for me to repeat/summarize what it is. Please check Eirin's history session for the latest revisions to see what the issue is, I guess ^^;;). Well, the original Japanese text is here for people to scrutinize.

Ghost Team Ending

I guess I'm just hopefully getting a ball rolling. I can't read a word of Japanese, so it's impossible for me to aid that ball in finding a destination in this case.

I request, anyone who can read Japanese, if you have some time, please help verify which of the contexts in the Eirin page (before revert and after revert, regarding whether or not she drank the elixir) of this ending is correct.

Thanks! TiamatRoar 16:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

In the ending, Eirin says herself that she has already taken the medicine which was made through Kaguya's power, and that she can't stay at Netherworld therefore. I don't write down here where is the point, but you can find easily with pushing "Ctrl + F" and search "It's a shame". I find that part is a mistranslation, so I corrected, which I'm not sure if I might well be talking here about. --masuo64 Talk 05:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, if that's what it says, then it seems pretty definitive to me. I guess with that and CannedFury's original edit, that's two people so far that say that's what it says. ......so um.... now what? Should we wait for a third opinion? Well, I personally figure I'll just wait a little longer to see if there are any objections, and then I'll go bring back CannedFury's version of the Eirin Hourai elixir page. Maybe with some slight edits of my own to er, smooth things out a little. Unless someone else wants to. ^^; TiamatRoar 21:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Due to the importance of the change I think we should be a little more prudent and wait for more opinions. I also think we should make an exception to ZUN's spoiler rule and post the untranslated ending text in the talk so we can work it out here and leave no doubt as to what exactly was said. UTW 01:22, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
I agree. Send the script here to make things strait with this massive problem. Translations will become more accurate with the translators we got at this wiki, and most of them might not go to that other wiki to do the corrections *speculating*. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 01:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
I hate to give this the wiki equivalent of a bump, but given how it's a semi-big deal, we probably shouldn't just leave it hanging if we can help it. Do we have any other opinions/translations etc on this matter? ^^; TiamatRoar 03:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


Okay, here's the untranslated text in question

まだ、死にたくは無いわ。 それに私は、姫の能力で作られた薬を服用している。 残念だけど、冥界のお世話にはなれないのよ。


Well, there might be other parts in the ending that imply she drank it, but I doubt it. I'm under the impression that the specific text I posted is "the big reveal", so to speak, to wrap up the ending.

Originally, under the allegedly "mistranslated" text, I thought Eirin was just threatening Yuyuko with the possibility of bringing over the Hourai Elixir and distributing it around.

Under the "corrected" translated text, however, she is instead revealing to Yuyuko that she drank it herself, as a bit of a "too bad!" snap at Yuyuko.

The final text afterwards works with both interpretations.

....enough babble. I don't even speak Japanese. Thanks again to everyone who does ^^;;;

Here's the link again in case anyone wants to see the ending in full (er, link doesn't take you directly to the ghost team ending for some reason. Still, you can just click to it from the table of contents at the top)

(warning: Ending spoilers for all IN endings (well duh))

http://touhouendings.wikkii.com/wiki/Th08#Good_Ending_4_-_Ghost_Team%7CIN

TiamatRoar 01:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

The link should be http://touhouendings.wikkii.com/wiki/Th08#Good_Ending_4_-_Ghost_Team - you seem to have messed up your external link syntax the first time you posted it (external links use a space instead of a pipe to separate target and text). Arcorann 02:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


An examanation of the sentence: まだ、死にたくは無いわ。それに私は、姫の能力で作られた薬を服用している。残念だけど、冥界のお世話にはなれないのよ。

My Japanese is not so great so here is a word-by-word translation. The translated word is to the right of the original.

まだ not yet 死にたく want to die は (particle) 無い not わ (indicates emotion)。(end stop) それ that に (particle) 私 I は (particle) 、(comma) 姫 princess の (indicates genitive case) 能力 ability/power で (particle) 作られた past tense of "able to be made" (作られる) 薬 drug/medicine を (indicates accusative case) 服用 take medicine, receive dosage して to do "suru" in "te" ending いる (verb for progressive tense) 。 (full stop) 残念 disappointment だけど however 、 (comma) 冥界 netherworld の (indicates genitive case) お世話 looking after/help/aid/assistance には (particle) なれない negative of "able to become" (なれる) の (indicates emphasis) よ (indicates emphasis or certainty)Tosiaki 04:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

HELP ME EIRIN![edit]

Where does "Eirin, Eirin, HELP ME EIRIN!" come from?

This line appeared on the anon board "2ch" first. An Yagokoroite made Tasukete E-rin, which meaned "help me, E-rin!" This lyric became popular. And the Cool & Creat, or it's member Beat Mario, made the song Help me, ERINNNNNN!! at the CD Touhou Strike borrowing the line "えーりん!えーりん!助けてえーりん!". In a strict sense, 2ch was where the line first appeared. But considering about the number of Touhou fan, there are a lot of people now who find it at the song "Help me..." In fact, the writing at 2ch is nowadays only worth as what had the line first. --Masuo64 09:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Yagakoro[edit]

Where did the Yagakoro character come from?

You mean, you don't understand why "yagokoro" is translated into "infinite mind"? In ancient Japan, eight is very important number, & it means "numerous", which is led straight to "infinite", or "whole". And the character "意" is related with "mind", e.g. "意図" (deliberation) "意志" (will) "意識" (consciousness). Then one possible translation is "infinite mind".
Actually, I think he's trying to ask where the joke character "Yagokoro" came from (he's that weird guy who does the leekspin attack in the IOSYS flash "Gets to the diseased part and melts quickly ~ Lunatic Undonge!"). From my knowledge, he originated as a poorly done ASCII job of Eirin or something; in a way, he's kind of like a Yukkuri. I may be wrong, however. --ArseneLupin3 20:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
What I find amusing is that you speak of Yagokoro as if it has a gender (male?) yet it seems quite genderless, and if anything, should be female since it was originally intended to be Eirin, no?
Well, now, not much gender you can apply to a poorly arranged bunch of text, eh? I just refer to Yagokoro as male because the voice he had in the aforementioned flash was, although high-pitched and fast, was male (I only really remember the character from that flash). However, as the character isn't official or anything even close to that, there's no real answer to our predicament. --ArseneLupin3 04:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh, Dr. Yagokoro (ヤゴコロ先生, Yagokoro Sensei)? I don't know who made this cute character, but it is certain that Dr. Yagokoro is an arrange of "Tsumari". On 2005.01.01, a thread was made on VIP of 2ch: "My Big Sis's Bathtime live thread" (姉のお風呂実況スレ, Ane no Ofuro Jikkyou Sure). 01 of the thread uploaded low-quality photos, so an angry person uploaded the photo of his/her sister's notebook of school. In her notebook, a few simple cute character appears. (Some Japanese people somehow tend to draw pictures for deeper comprehension.)"Tsumari" is one of them, saying "i.e." (つまり, tsumari). And now, Dr. Yagokoro is far more popular than Tsumari. Anyway, what I want to say is that Dr.Yagokoro is derived from Tsumari & Dr. Yagokoro is seem to be a kidding appearance of real, sophisticated YAGOKORO Eirin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masuo64 (talkcontribs) 18:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Source on this[edit]

"Some vague hints seem to suggest that she even predates modern humanity, which emerged as a species approximately 100,000 to 200,000 years ago." - Can I please have a source on this? I didn't see any sort of reference to a source of any kind in the article. Apologies if I just missed it. Battousai9439 01:22, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

If no one's going to add sources or contest it, I'm going to take the liberty of removing references to her possibly being over 100,000 years old. Battousai9439 20:21, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Symposium of Post-Mysticism (or, Eirin's Immortality, part 3)[edit]

"僕の中では月の都は高貴な神様たちが居る場所で、という設定なんです。で、反対に幻想郷には親しみやすいというか土着っぽい神様たちが居る。神様にもいろいろ派閥があるんだろうなって。で、永琳はその中の一人だったから、幻想郷に来ても他の人間と接触を持たないんです。"

Doesn't this imply that Eirin is, herself, a god? Auxy(talk) 18:19, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

Yes. She has been assumed that she was Yagokoro Omoikane no Mikoto, and that description reinforces the assumption. --Doncot (talk) 05:28, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Can be added to her species Lunarian (Goddess) in the same way that Sagume Kishin?Virus bass (talk) 15:36, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
No, herself being a goddess is just an assumption. --Camilo113 (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Actually, in the SoPM interview it is clearly stated that she's a god.PK (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
You're right, I haven't realized that. I guess there is no problem then adding that she is a goddess. --Camilo113 (talk) 00:05, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Chiming in to mention that the only reason that this seemingly casual statement from SoPM made a splash in the english fandom at all is because not many people here realized that this actually has been "established" for years. It was one of those unspoken truths that came just shy of outright saying she's Omoikane, that... the english fandom just didn't notice. So it isn't like ZUN let this slip, he was just talking about something he figured people already knew. It's basically a slam-dunk. Drake Irving (talk) 05:00, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Age[edit]

Haven't visited this wiki for a long, long time. So out of curiosity, where is the source of Zun stating that Eirin is "hundreds of millions?" MaronaPossessed (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

...I think it has something to do with the SoPM article stating she is a goddess, but after that, it's speculation. I'd get rid of the age thing since it's not definite. ♥★♦ (talk) 23:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
It previously said "ZUN made a drunk statement that her age is in the hundreds of millions". I deleted it because of its unreliability. Somehow, though, someone added it back in... --Quwanti (talk) 00:09, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
The statement (ZUN in a drunken state) of her age being in the hundred of millions was for Kaguya and in the Gensokyo Timeline article it says that ZUN stated Eirin's age but it doesn't have any citation... --Camilo113 (talk) 00:16, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I was the one that added it back in. Even if ZUN was in a drunken state, it's still ZUN. Also, you have to realize who she's most likely based off of, and we base ages off of who the character is based off of (take Miko for example). Code Slasher (talk) 16:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Yeah we get it, but as I said before ZUN stated it (in a drunken state) for Kaguya Houraisan iirc, and the problem is that the Gensokyo's Timeline doesn't have a reference to this.--Camilo113 (talk) 04:22, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Caduceus[edit]

Article really needs a mention on how ZUN falls into the same trap so many do by using the caduceus as a medical symbol. More annoying than usual because you'd think he'd know better... Despatche (talk) 16:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Eirin's age (again)[edit]

The chinese wiki has this: https://thwiki.cc/ZUN/月人关联答复

It seems to have the source that no one could find.PK (talk) 10:45, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm actually asking if it's an usable source. PK (talk) 11:08, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah, right. I forgot to say that the source is supposed to be the booklet that came with this doujin album. I don't know how to find the whole booklet, but as you can see the part about Eirin's (and Kaguya's) age is available.PK (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC)