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Talk:Hourai Elixir
>and never stay dead no matter how many times they are killed.
but... people die when they are killed... 70.145.190.183 21:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- Goddamnit man, have you figured it out yet? Touhou is fake. This is
Spartaa Wiki for information on Touhou. No offense, but seriously, would anyone care if you can't die in fiction?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairy Maid (talk • contribs)- I'm not sure if you knew this, but "People die when they are killed" is a meme from fate/stay.Oreng3 23:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
It wouldn't matter how many times you killed her, she won't die because immortality is like casting away the physical body. She uses resurrection to come back to life instantly, as the Elixir has erased her death (or afterlife), and because the soul itself is not a physical being and cannot be destroyed, it's forced to inhabit a new vessel (body). Reality won't allow life to roam around bodyless. As a result, she inhibits a new body, well the same one, and is 'stuck' in this reality. Similar to division by zero. It wouldn't matter how many times you kill her, she literally can't die, even if her body is destroyed. She'll resurrect indefinately, whether she wants to or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.166.43.168 (talk • contribs)
- "reality not allowing life to roam around bodiless" That's vague. What is "reality" and what about ghosts? They don't need a physical body to wander around (and I'm not talking about those souls that escape from the Netherworld but they don't seem to need one either). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reil (talk • contribs)
- I think that what he means is that when you die, you go to some sort of afterlife. If I'm not mistaken, he's implying that if it can't go there, then it stays here and, is forcibly put in a new body. It would make sense. But in Touhou, Ghosts are depicted of having some sort of body- else they would not be able to eat one's guts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fujiwara no Mokou (talk • contribs)
- It makes sense in a way but the "force of reality" is vague and doesn't sound relevant to Gensokyo. Ghosts don't have a physical body (see PMiSS: Ghosts); they have a corpse lying around somewhere but they aren't forced into it nor are they chained to it. Other than preventing enlightenment and granting regeneration from even a single hair, there is no information on how and why a Hourai user would be resurrected in a "new" body after complete destruction. I think speculative statements should be limited in wiki articles unless given its own section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reil (talk • contribs)
- Well they still have some sort of physical body. Otherwise they wouldn't have any sort of visual/physical form. I think that's safe enough to say that they do have some sort of body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.204.113.174 (talk • contribs)
- Personally, the way I've always interpreted it is that the Elixir makes the body unable to die, and because of this the spirit/soul can't leave for any part of the afterlife. The Elixir works all the way down to the molecular level, which is why they can't age and damage is healed regardless of severity. The atoms would reform to the state they were in when it was ingested, so even if you burnt a person who drank it to ashes they'd reform. Think like a save state feature on a emulator and whenever you die your set back to that one state, except you can't change it. RavenKouryuu 13:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- Adding on to that analogy, you can't override or replace the save state either. --ArseneLupin3 23:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, putting it logically, I'd like to put it in this way. But let's make a rule here. The number is your state of life, and the only way to change it, is to get the square root of it. Take a number, any number. In this case 9. Take the square root of it to change it. That's 3. Now that we have it, let's change it to 4. Now find the square root to change it again. That's 2. Logically, the Elixir changed it to -2. Now negatives don't have a square root. Every option is now impossible. It's put in a state which we cannot get it out of and now it's forever stuck. This, in my opinion, is Mokou's state. Logically put, of course.
- I don't think the atomic idea is such a good example. Nuclear fission can split atoms and therefore, put an end to Mokou. Seeing she's immortal, that can't be the case. In context to the game, it said that souls can freely create new bodies. She said her death doesn't exist, so I think it's safe to imply that the Elixir changed her life to an irreversable and permenant state. Alice did say immortality is like casting away the physical body and that the soul is constantly reborn in new flesh, so I think it's safe to say that implying the whole erasing death idea is a good enough assumption. But No-one can be absolutely sure, except give their best opinions. The fact of the matter is anyone who drinks the Hourai Elixir will never die forever, no matter what. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.164.153.17 (talk • contribs)
- Absolutely Correct.Fujiwara no Mokou 20:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- Adding on to that analogy, you can't override or replace the save state either. --ArseneLupin3 23:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- Personally, the way I've always interpreted it is that the Elixir makes the body unable to die, and because of this the spirit/soul can't leave for any part of the afterlife. The Elixir works all the way down to the molecular level, which is why they can't age and damage is healed regardless of severity. The atoms would reform to the state they were in when it was ingested, so even if you burnt a person who drank it to ashes they'd reform. Think like a save state feature on a emulator and whenever you die your set back to that one state, except you can't change it. RavenKouryuu 13:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well they still have some sort of physical body. Otherwise they wouldn't have any sort of visual/physical form. I think that's safe enough to say that they do have some sort of body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.204.113.174 (talk • contribs)
- It makes sense in a way but the "force of reality" is vague and doesn't sound relevant to Gensokyo. Ghosts don't have a physical body (see PMiSS: Ghosts); they have a corpse lying around somewhere but they aren't forced into it nor are they chained to it. Other than preventing enlightenment and granting regeneration from even a single hair, there is no information on how and why a Hourai user would be resurrected in a "new" body after complete destruction. I think speculative statements should be limited in wiki articles unless given its own section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reil (talk • contribs)
- I think that what he means is that when you die, you go to some sort of afterlife. If I'm not mistaken, he's implying that if it can't go there, then it stays here and, is forcibly put in a new body. It would make sense. But in Touhou, Ghosts are depicted of having some sort of body- else they would not be able to eat one's guts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fujiwara no Mokou (talk • contribs)