Talk:List by Song

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I suggest you split this page. It's very long and hard to navigate. Just title them

List by Song: Imperishable Night

or something like that.

There is something wrong... i know there are official arrangements but it's not there? -121.97.231.122 09:03, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

touhou.torlan.ru[edit]

What do you think about this site? Should we just provide the link to the site and forget about manually editing subpages? I run this site, and I promise that I'll update it at least twice a month. It will be up to date as long as new album pages are written by users in this Wiki. --WGH 12:13, 17 November 2010 (PST)

We currently have two options. Editing these pages manually obviously doesn't work. Too many albums released so far. The first option is to forget about these articles and actually replace them with link to this external site. The problem is the site is external, and it is questionable to divert wiki readers to the other site. The second option is to modify the script I use to fill that site to create a wiki bot which would fill List by Song articles automatically. Drawbacks: I don't know what to do with songs here that don't correspond to any album, and "Play on YT" feature would be probably lost actually can be preserved. Please, discuss. --WGH 06:59, 19 December 2010 (PST)
The first option isn't too bad, and seeing how the option to play it on youtube would save people from having to find it on their own would make it so much easier (though, I"m not sure how you would be getting THAT done). However I agree, I'd much rather prefer this wiki to be populated. If in the future someone comes up with some new ideas and requires such lists, it would be "readily" accessible using whatever scripts they plan to make. A wiki bot that auto-populates the lists on regular intervals would be, IMO, the most effective method, especially if it auto-populates whenever someone adds/updates (ie: re-populate if I figure out the original title, or remove it if I realize I got it wrong) or maybe at specific time intervals (Ie: do it all over again!). Or...why not just do both? I'm not even taking into consideration the amount of resources that it would require, but since you already have the script and just need to make modifications here and there to switch to a different option, wouldn't it be feasible to just do both? Tsukihime 19 Dec 2010
SUDDENLY the third option: make a *.touhouwiki.net subdomain for the site. It wouldn't be external that way :) --WGH 07:42, 19 December 2010 (PST)

Helpful tool[edit]

Use this to help you fill in the songs: http://xtsukihime.webs.com/formatsong.htm --Tsukihime 17 Dec 2010

Redesign[edit]

Since it seems like there's a BIG update of this entire section coming, I thought this could be a good opportunity to change the form of entries. For example this:

  • プロローグ by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 1)
  • 俺は「上海紅茶館」でもかまわないで食っちまう人間なんだぜ by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 2)
  • エピローグ by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 10)
  • 突撃!隣の紅茶館 by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on Eternal Force Blizzard (Track 7)

is almost illegible. Even after adding the bold you still can't tell with one, simple glance what's the title of the song or circle name. That's why I was thinking of something more like this:

Arrangements (album)

上海紅茶館 ~ Chinese Tea  by =NeutraL= on 紅魔館音楽祭 (Track 11)
上海紅茶館 ~ Chinese Tea  by =NeutraL= on Acoustic Shooter (Track 1)

Happy Tea Break  by 38beets on POISONING (Track 6)

プロローグ  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 1)
俺は「上海紅茶館」でもかまわないで食っちまう人間なんだぜ  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 2)
エピローグ  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 10)
突撃!隣の紅茶館  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on Eternal Force Blizzard (Track 7)

or maybe this (I think the first one looks better, though)

Arrangements (album)

上海紅茶館 ~ Chinese Tea  by =NeutraL= on 紅魔館音楽祭 (Track 11)
上海紅茶館 ~ Chinese Tea  by =NeutraL= on Acoustic Shooter (Track 1)

Happy Tea Break  by 38beets on POISONING (Track 6)

プロローグ  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 1)
俺は「上海紅茶館」でもかまわないで食っちまう人間なんだぜ  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 2)
エピローグ  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on とうほうテクニック (Track 10)
突撃!隣の紅茶館  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 っ Zero-shiki's House on Eternal Force Blizzard (Track 7)

There is also another option: Instead of grouping entries by circle names they could be ordered by release date with added group filter for easy access to one group's work like is done on WGH's site. That way it's easier to see recently made arranges of a particular song.

Either way, some sort of ordering/grouping seems necessary.
Opinions/suggestions/alternatives? BuraQ 09:16, 19 December 2010 (PST)

Quite good! I also like the first one more because of the consistent alignment of title/artist.
There was some talk on IRC about how to handle English/Japanese matters, as well. So far, the general idea I took away from it was that romanized text should take priority over original Japanese text. When names get longer, however, taking the approach of showing both languages at once proves to be far too lengthy. It is also important to preserve the original language's text, if only for reference's sake. Because of this, I thought it would be a somewhat decent compromise to relegate the original text to a title attribute rollover. Turns out some like-minded geniuses on Wikipedia also thought the same thing, and made the H:title template. It's quite simple to use. {{H:title|hover text|displayed text}} is all you need to get rolling. For convenience, use the link=yes parameter to make the text a wikilink to the hover text. Roll over the dotted text to see the original text. As applied to one of your song listings:
エピローグ  by っ´Д`)っ ゼロ式の家 on とうほうテクニック (Track 10)
Look good? The dots can go away, using the parameter dotted=no. So far, the biggest downside to this that I've seen is that it's not very easy to select the original language text. Sure, you can view-source it, but that's not exactly the most convenient thing, is it? -- K 10:50, 19 December 2010 (PST)
Maybe try it the other way? Original name by default, translation on hover? --WGH 10:53, 19 December 2010 (PST)
That's relatively easy! Simply reverse the parameters given to the H:title template. Instead of {{H:title|Japanese text|English text}}, use {{H:title|English text|Japanese text}}. The only problem lies in ones that use link=yes.
Epilogue  by Zero-shiki's House on Touhou Technic (Track 10)
Notice how this turns into a red link. This is because I changed the template to use the first parameter as the one to link to. One workaround is to do something like [[とうほうテクニック|{{H:title|Touhou Technic|とうほうテクニック}}]] which will grant Touhou Technic. In fact, the link parameter is really just a convenience parameter to accomplish that very thing. If the desired default style is "show romanization in article, original on hover", then the current modification to H:title is fine. However, if the desired default style is "show original in article, romanization on hover", then the H:title template can be reverted to better accommodate this. Things might get slightly more hairy if we implement some sort of user preference or something that lets the user decide on whether they prefer English first or Japanese first. That's for later, though. -- K 11:18, 19 December 2010 (PST)

Subpaging[edit]

Why are pages listed on this one not subpaged? --Coyc 17:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)