Talk:Reimu Hakurei

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Reimu's ability[edit]

I have a question regarding "ability to call on the power of Gods"

isn't that supposedly what all Shrine Maidens are supposedly to have as well, in that case would that not not be an ability she has but a trait of shrine maidens??

153.20.95.70 07:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)wrathie

Point in fun facts[edit]

Er, point 16 of the fun facts : "Something MUGEN fans have run away with", the video has been removed on youtube and I don't very know where it lead...--Akiro 09:12, 15 August 2010

Reimu's abilities[edit]

Just wondering: has her "ability to fly/float" that she had in the first windows games been retconned, or should it be added in her main profile? Even though it's not really much of an ability in Gensokyo, her last word specifically references it.

--Spadequeen 06:27, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Her ability to fly is not just in the air but rather over abstract concepts as well. She overcomes the challenges in each game by flying over the improbability of her succeeding. It's a form of plot armor.

--131.191.10.46 00:48, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

That's real deep. But no, she just "overcomes the challenges" because it's her job as a shrine maiden and as the player character. Her ability to fly is physical only.
--Song ofthe apple 00:55, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
Her ability is ability to the extent of flying in the sky. It is not the abstract notion of "flight."--Tosiaki 05:08, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

What sounds better: "flying in the sky" or "flight"? The latter seems too literal of a translation, as "flight" generally implies that it is through the sky. NForza 04:53, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Flight Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 04:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Wrong. It excludes flying in space.--Tosiaki 05:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment The word "sora" () does have multiple meanings - one is "sky," the other is "air." Perhaps "flying in the air" might have been better. I guess I shall make the change now.--Tosiaki 05:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

TH02 character images[edit]

The pictures for the characters in TH02 - Story of Eastern Wonderland are very small. I've been thinking about enlarging them to double the size. It looks much better in my opinion but I want others comment before I proceed. --Svinto 21:59, 04 Ferbuary 2007 (GTM+1)

File:Th02reimu.png File:Th02reimu1big.png File:Th02reimu1bicubic.png
normal double double with bicubic resampling
Bicubic looks pretty good, try sharpening it a little though if that doesn't make it all pixelated again. -7HS
Have you tried hq2x/hq3x/hq4x? They tend to give unrivaled quality and sharpness for pixel-art sources like these. 134.173.61.98 02:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Requesting Source[edit]

Latest edit put "Reimu invented the Spellcard Combat System." into the Fun Facts. That's a pretty big statement and one I haven't heard of before. What is the source/basis for this statement? --Psieye 20:59, 7 March 2007 (PST)

Well, if spellcards = ofuda, technically she was the first one to use them. I know not what the person who added that was thinking, though. -7HS
It's from Perfect Memento.
Although there're some room for speculation (one of Unresolved Materials), officially it's her that invented the system, according to Akyu.

Long page[edit]

I'm starting to get this warning when editing-

WARNING: This page is 32 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections.

It's only going to get larger when Touhou 10 is released (assuming she's in it, which she wasn't in 9.5). Is this an extremely outdated warning from before the days of 1Mb/sec download speeds, streaming live video, and 3D MMORPGs?

About Main profile pictures[edit]

Discuss it here

Reimu's age[edit]

Is there any canon material anywhere - profiles, dialogue, books, interviews, anything - that specifies or even hints at Reimu's age? I have not seen a single reference to it anywhere.

If there is nothing in canon, her age should be listed as "unknown".

In case it wasn't obvious, Touhou suffers from Simpsons Syndrome in relation to characters' ages. Yes the series have a timeline etc. but the characters themselves do not age normally. And since ZUN loves being vague and ambiguous about things like this, "Age:" really means "Age at first appearance:" on this wiki.--Umhyuk 09:17, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Read before you delete. ZUN's own words: "If I say how old she is, she’ll have to keep getting older. Suffice it to say they’re getting older. Besides, if she gets too old, I’m afraid some day she’d get too old to play danmaku." That is the complete opposite of what you said.
1. If a dispute is up, you keep the old revision of the page.
2. Nowhere in that sentence is it ever explained how much older she gets. Is it a month between games, a year, a day?--Umhyuk 13:56, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
How could she get a month older after a year passes? You aren't making any sense. Cirno doesn't look 60+ years old, but she's been around for over 60 years. Yukari appears to be in her 20s, but her age is listed as 1,200+. Reimu's been around for 5 years since ZUN described her as "mid-teens", therefore she's 5 years older. It doesn't matter how much she aged physically, which you can't even tell from his drawings (he said not to trust them). And anyway, how would she get "too old to play danmaku" if she isn't aging physically? It doesn't fit with what ZUN said.
The old version of the page has zero research, citations, or evidence, so I'm putting mine back up. Don't remove valid research and leave nothing in its place. Kapow751 15:12, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm just barging in an ongoing argument, but if the "Age:" does mean the current age of the character, which is what I believe Kapow751 is trying to prove here, probably all other characters should have their ages changed? So Flandre should no longer be 495 but instead 502 or 503? Now the problem is Flandre could be actually 496 or 512 - way off what I just expected her age to be, based on the time passed since EoSD came out.
We wouldn't be able to know Flandre's current and actual age because there's no official statement from ZUN stating her current age - we only have his statement that these characters get older. What Umhyuk is trying to explain here is that we cannot assume that the characters will get a year older every year just because ZUN said the characters will age. Yes I do see Kapow's and ZUN's point that characters get older, but at what rate is the remaining question.
Anyways I hope this issue could be solved without too much dispute. I see a possible major edit war going on in this article, and I'll try see if anything comes up so that we can clear up this issue. Deathsoul4 16:18, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
Again, how could "the characters will get a year older every year" not be true? If Reimu was born in (for example) 1990, then in 2004 she would be 14 (mid-teens), and in 2009 she would be 19. That's what age is, we aren't listing physical ages (see Cirno, Yukari, Remilia, etc.), we're listing the time that's passed while they were alive. Yes, every other character is also 5-6 years older since EoSD, because in TH12 it is 5 years later and they have lived 5 more years since then.
If Flandre was 495 in 2004, then she is 500 in 2009. She will be 512 in 2021. You could always put "in 2004" or "during EoSD" on Remilia and Flandre's ages in their profiles, to make it more clear. I only put Reimu's present age up because she's young and human, so 5 years is a bigger deal to her than to someone who's lived 100 times that long and has an indefinite lifespan. Kapow751 18:36, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
I see... Thanx for your taking your time to reply. I'll look to both possibilities. There's this quote I got from here: "Note that although the Windows games seem to follow a real-time progression as shown in this timeline, the human protagonists, Reimu Hakurei and Marisa Kirisame, don't apparently age beyond their mid-teens." The quote traces back to SuddenFrost's edit dating back to August 24th of 2009. Maybe we need to check the source of this quote. Deathsoul4 19:23, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
This discussion is age old on this wiki, and the general consensus is that Age means "Age at first appearance:". Just check out the history of the Remillia and Flandre pages for edit comments about this. Also keep in mind that unless it is a translation of a canon source it is not canon, even on this wiki. So don't use it as basis in an argument about canon. In case it isn't obvious, the timeline is full of errors based around stupid assumptions people has done, the only place it is reliable is where it has the explicit backing of the BAiJR.
I'm all for axing the whole age tag like anon suggests and degrade it to a fun fact for the characters where it is relevant. I would also suggest not blatantly ignoring parts of the discussion such as "If a dispute is up, you keep the old revision of the page."--Umhyuk 20:40, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
In that case I'm also for scraping the ages and put them in the Fun Facts section. So many characters have unknown ages anyways. Deathsoul4 20:46, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
I double-checked the timeline for the games, actually. If you read in the Prologue for each game it almost always says the current season, and there's often a direct reference to the previous game. Aside from TH06 being a little early, all of the games fit together perfectly if each takes place on the year it was released. For example, TH10.5 was released almost a year after TH10, the first line of the prologue: "Almost a year has passed since the shrine maiden went to the mountain." BAiJR confirms it for the earlier games, so it's absurd to think he stopped doing it and the games keep fitting the pattern just by coincidence.
Anyway, I agree the age should be left off the profiles. ZUN refuses to give exact ages for anyone, and there's only a handful of characters whose ages can even be estimated. All of the rest are complete unknowns. It looks bad to have 90% of the profiles saying "Unknown", like nobody bothered to fill it in. Kapow751 04:44, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
That quote on the timeline is someone's opinion. That's the problem with this wiki, there are all these profiles and "fun facts" and location descriptions and most of it is completely uncited. Who knows how much of it is speculation, or just plain wrong? Who ever checks it? Kapow751 04:44, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we just ax the age from all from character descriptions? Pretty much everyone is either over 1000/undetermined. 68.84.74.52 19:41, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like we're all in favor of removing the ages, are we gonna do this or what? Is there an editor-in-chief or someone we should check with before we go updating every profile on the site? I don't want to waste my time editing 100 pages if somebody's just going to reverse them all. Kapow751 22:54, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
This wiki has no authority. Just someone who deletes spam and blocks spammers when we ask him too. Also, there's no need to edit all of the character pages right away. The removal of age can be done with a simple tweak to the template it uses. The data would still be there, but it just wouldn't show up.
So far, there seems to be no objections. Feel free to raise any objections, anyone. 68.84.74.52 23:05, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think ages should be removed, as some ages are sort of determined...for example Alice Margatroid became a youkai when she was a human, therefore for a youkai, she is young. MaronaPossessed 02:14, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
==Fun Facts==
* Having become a Youkai through training between the events of Mystic Square and Perfect Cherry Blossom, Alice is relatively young for a Youkai.
Or something like that. 68.84.74.52 02:31, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
And as an added bonus, the age trolling (YUKARI IS OVER 9000/17 YEARS OLD) would finally stop. I hope we're all in agreement here. 68.84.74.52 00:25, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Help with the Reimu page[edit]

I think I put up the page a bit early, as Momiji pointed out to me. I'd like to apologize if I caused any trouble and I understand that this page is the most visited on the entire wiki. Some stuff is incomplete in the page and needs some editing;

  • Need to integrate the book synopsis completely in the page and remove it.
  • Need to insert some fluff in the story section, without spoiling too much. This is an hard one, considering all Reimu does is investigate every single incident.
  • The appearance section could maybe use a hand, the Touhou 6 - Touhou 12 section is a tad confusing.
  • Maybe need to insert a new section pertaining more to the character itself, personality/situation, I don't see myself putting "No youkai dares oppose her, for if she is defeated, the Great Boundary might collapse." in occupation

I'l edit the page a bit myself tomorrow and during the week, I'l also be busy on the Marisa and the 3 fairies page. Any help would be appreciated and we could use this page afterwards as a model to all the other pages.

Sefam 02:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I really wonder what to edit(Or rather, how to edit it), could someone help me? I'm sorry about bothering people here, I cannot access the IRC at all.

Sefam 20:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I did consider adding a personality section when moving stuff from the book synopsis section. Maybe you could write that up.
I also tried to summarize all of Reimu's Windows appearances; just check the second paragraph. Ibaraki Ibuki 23:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I think that we should include personality in the main description of the page(First few paragraphs). It would present Reimu to the readers more easily. I also took the liberty of chopping the occupations section, because it was redundant; you can't describe a character in the main desc without referring to its occupations, Reimu is not Reimu without being a shrine maiden that resolves incidents. And now I think that we need to chop the backstory subsection, I kept this from the old page, but I'd like to either send it in the trivia for the moment or somehow integrate it in the article. I will also edit the relationships section later. --Sefam 02:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The possible Nanoha reference[edit]

I don't see the similarity between the characters here. It says "they both tend to befriend others through superior firepower", but I'm pretty sure Reimu just wants to get rid of most of the enemies she faces(since they're all youkai and everything)... Darkslime 14:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

But isn't "I'm pretty sure" an opinion? The "She treats youkai and humans in the same manner" part comes from PMiSS. Besides, the only reason she faces youkai is because they cause incidents.

--Sefam 14:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

What you just said supports the fact that she isn't particularly out to befriend them, just to exterminate them when they cause trouble. Darkslime 13:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Yet she apparently treats them in the same uninterested manner as humans. I don't think that she looks down on youkai as much as Sanae does. --Sefam 14:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Treating all life as equal is a trait thats a general concept though. Coincidence for this trait would be fairly common throughout the world. Byakuren has more of this trait and during their conversation theres examples of Reimu hating youkai and trying to get rid of them. --Hikaruxz 15:55, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The problem I have with that is that in the Nue conversation, Reimu states she could seal her back, yet doesn't and let Nue go, she doesn't seal back Byakuren either. I think she's more condescending to youkai than she looks like. Besides, again, her shrine is filled with them, just look at Oriental Sacred Place for example. Most of her game dialogue consists of her being a dick to whoever is getting in her way.

--Sefam 16:24, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I think she just wants to do your job and get done with it. I don't think she really has anything against the Youkai since when they aren't causing trouble, they visit her shrine. She's sort of the person who wags her finger at anyone who causes trouble ♥★♦ 05:49, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Italics[edit]

The usage of italics in this article, and perhaps other character articles too, is, to put it nicely, in need of work. In particular, there is needless italicizing of names (Her best friend is probably Marisa Kirisame) and not enough italicizing of titles (From Embodiment of Scarlet Devil onward,). I ask that whoever is rewriting the bulk of the text to please review the usage of italics. - Kiefmaster99 04:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, this is my fault since I rewrote the text, I thought the names needed italicizing and not the games. Sorry for the trouble. --Sefam 17:10, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Table of content has "too much content"[edit]

5 Official Profiles

   5.1 Highly Responsive to Prayers - 靈異伝.TXT
   5.2 Story of Eastern Wonderland - 封魔録.txt
   5.3 Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream - 夢時空.TXT
   5.4 Lotus Land Story - 幻想郷.TXT
   5.5 Mystic Square - 怪綺談.TXT
   5.6 Shuusou Gyoku - 創曲幻想.txt
   5.7 Embodiment of Scarlet Devil - Manual
   5.8 Embodiment of Scarlet Devil - おまけ.txt
   5.9 Perfect Cherry Blossom - Manual
   5.10 Perfect Cherry Blossom - キャラ設定.txt
   5.11 Immaterial and Missing Power - 上海アリス通信.txt
   5.12 Imperishable Night - Manual
   5.13 Imperishable Night - キャラ設定.txt
   5.14 Phantasmagoria of Flower View - Manual
   5.15 Phantasmagoria of Flower View - キャラ設定.txt
   5.16 Mountain of Faith - Manual
   5.17 Scarlet Weather Rhapsody - chara.html
   5.18 Subterranean Animism - キャラ設定.txt
   5.19 Undefined Fantastic Object - キャラ設定とエキストラストーリー.txt
   5.20 Wild and Horned Hermit official website
   5.21 Ten Desires - omake.txt

The table of contents shouldn't contain all the profiles, it makes the table of contents bloated and takes a huge part of the page, I changed it a while ago and someone changed it back, in fact, everything under 5 should be removed from the table of contents. Or there should be another way to show it. There's a reason why the "Official Games" section in the character's info is something you can hide/show.

--Sefam 01:53, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Specific things that should be moved/removed[edit]

"In Subterranean Animism, according to Satori Komeiji who read her mind, it seems that she has put trust in Yukari Yakumo. In Chapter 7 of Strange and Bright Nature Deity, she made tempura from the sprout of an angelica tree and had an evening meal with Marisa."

-Currant Location: Personality

-Recommendation: Move to Relationships with Marisa; has not a lot to do with personality.

Response: it is commenting about her attitude towards being close to others. It is not a comment about her specific relations to Yukari or Marisa.--Tosiaki 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's Response: Then it should make more of an effort to say so. ♥★♦ 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's New Response: The connection has been made, thus I accept it. ♥★♦ 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

She left her personal-use teacup at Kourindou, but it does not seem like even Rinnosuke knows why she did this.

-Currant Location: Personality

-Recommendation: Move to Relationships with Rinnosuke, as leaving her teacup doesn't seem to impact her personality as it is stated...

Response: This does not have much to do with her relation to Rinnosuke. It is simply stating that she sometimes does strange things.--Tosiaki 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's Response: Same (as with a lot of these) it MUST be said (Users can't read minds). ♥★♦ 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's New Response: With the revision you made, i accept this. ♥★♦ 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

She usually calls Rinnosuke "Rinnosuke-san." Since it is usual, the fact that she calls him by his first name is not because of close friendship, as although their relation is more to the extent of calling him by his surname "Morichika-san" or by the name of his store "Kourindou-san," it is due to her personality that for sure she calls him by attaching "-san" to his first name. (The only times when Reimu uses "-san" are for Rinnosuke and Meira. Although Meira is female, she misunderstood and thought Meira was male.)

-Currant Location: Personality

-Recommendation: Move to Relationships with Rinnosuke and Meira where appropriate, as this is became less about personality and more about the interactions with Characters...

Response: "it is due to her personality that for sure" - it is not a comment about her relationship to Rinnosuke or Meira. It is talking about how she acts towards others in general.--Tosiaki 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's New Response: Whoops, I messed that up then. Leave it then, my bad. ♥★♦ 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

In Curiosities of Lotus Asia, there was a youkai who seemed to be enjoying herself reading a book when for some reason or another, she made a surprise attack in order to exterminate, and as the counterattack from that youkai tore her skirt, she put on Rinnosuke's clothing at her convenience, stealing the youkai's book and sold it to Rinnosuke, receiving someone else's due. Perhaps because of this, compared to Marisa who is usually considered to be a magician who does things at her convenience, she is always considered by Rinnosuke to be a miko who does things at her convenience. Nonetheless, in the case of the incident in Curiosities of Lotus Asia that progressively gets resolved, she helped by warding off ghosts free of charge, worried and inquired when she heard the mistaken information that Rinnosuke was eking out a living from his, and had a misgiving about Marisa Kirisame taking stuff from the store without permission that she came to report this information.

-Currant Location: Personality

-Recommendation: Move to story, as it tells about plot points and less about personality.

Response: maybe it should talk more about personality, but these points are not to elucidate on the story - they are more to demonstrate her usual behavior.--Tosiaki 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's Response: Then it must make a connection back to her personality if we are to have that block text (more as a summary etc). ♥★♦ 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's New Response: You did better with this, although it feels like it missing... something. But, since I can't point out what that is, I'll shut up about it. ♥★♦ 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

In Silent Sinner in Blue, she helped the fainted moon rabbit within her compound to the extent of becoming a physician, borrowing her futon without sleeping herself, thus showing a soft side of her. Although, of course, she did make the veil her own at her convenience.

-Currant Location: Personality

-Recommendation: Reword, as "to the extent of becoming a physician" isn't appropriate as is (without a official profile stating this, unnecessary to write like that)

Nazeo's New Response: I agree with how you state it now.

It can be said that she resembles Alice Margatroid in not showing her true power since there would be nothing afterwards if she lost. Furthermore, as in chapter 6 of Strange and Bright Nature Deity, since she participates in the Usoae Shinji (鷽替神事) (a festival where birds gather to peck at all the lies that one has uttered until now), one might therefore think that Reimu and Alice do not tell lies often in order not to be pecked at by the bullfinches.

Nazeo's New Response: Addressed at the bottom. ♥★♦ 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

-Currant Location: Personality

-Recommendation: Reword to be more about personality.

By looking at this official characterization, it may leave the impression that she may be "cool." Furthermore, outside of the games, if one turns one's eyes to look at her daily scenery, she repeatedly has parties in the endings, and furthermore in Sangetsusei and Curiosities of Lotus Asia it can be seen that she has become quite close to Marisa Kirisame and Rinnosuke Morichika etc., and due to this, if one looks at the official characterization, there might be a sense of doubt about the official characterization for some people.

-Currant Location: Personality

-Recommendation: Remove, as this just became on how the audience views Reimu and not about her personality. Or attempt to reword to avoid this misconception.

Perhaps it is badly worded, but it is simply demonstrating some things that are contrary to her official characterization.--Tosiaki 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's Response: Fair enough, but the statement should still be made. ♥★♦ 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazeo's New Response: I now accept this ♥★♦ 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


Work on those, then I'll move on to other sections...

♥★♦ 19:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

All in all, things can be revised, but I do not recommend any substantial information being moved elsewhere.--Tosiaki 20:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
With all of these, they really need to reconnect on how this makes Reimu on who she is...♥★♦ 20:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Alright, understood. I shall get towards revising this so as to make it more clear that it is all about her personality.--Tosiaki 20:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thx! ♥★♦ 20:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I have made a first revision, but as I did it in a hurry, I realize that there may still be things off about the "personality" section. In any case, it would be good to continue to point out what is off about it.--Tosiaki 21:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok fair enough, and I'm willing to help, given your permission (I will then treat these cases as rewrites rather than moving/removing etc unless otherwise stated at this point.)

Move

Since she is usually at the edge of Gensokyo, it is daily routine for her to look at the sky of Gensokyo, drinking tea. Carefree, she lacks any feeling of danger.

at the end of the 1st paragraph.

It can be said that she resembles Alice Margatroid in not showing her true power since there would be nothing afterwards if she lost. Furthermore, as in chapter 6 of Strange and Bright Nature Deity, since she participates in the Usoae Shinji (鷽替神事) (a festival where birds gather to peck at all the lies that one has uttered until now), one might therefore think that Reimu and Alice do not tell lies often in order not to be pecked at by the bullfinches.

The problem I had with this one was (Sorry for not explaining earlier) is the previous paragraph was how she was getting close to others, but then we have this section which jumps to another topic not getting pecked by bullfinches.
Then, we go back to caring Reimu in which she cares for the wounded Reisen I.
Basically, we need to either rewrite it so it makes more sense to the theme we had going or place it somewhere else in personality.


Overall, I do like the new changes as they are better at explaining how these events shape her personality, yay!
GJ! (=w=) d

♥★♦ 01:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, the last paragraph was there to conclude it all to summarize it at the end. I am not exactly sure what should replace it for a conclusion if it is moved up.--Tosiaki 04:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Relating fanon to canon[edit]

There should be at least some information about how fanon fits in with the canon - whether it is there or not, and whether it makes sense within canon. If it doesn't fit within the "fandom" section, it should at least go elsewhere - not removed.--Tosiaki 23:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes. If it's canon info, it shouldn't be under fandom, but as you said, elsewhere. Also, There shouldn't really be any in-death information on each bullet under fandom, but just the general parts of that meme and such. That's why I trimmed it, but didn't know where else to put it lol. ^^' Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 00:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
That's precisely why I invented Conceptuals (again, my horrible mastery of the English language.)
But, I sorta wanted it to be the page where there is in fact a lot of information on it - the format I am still working on and can be discussed.
Perhaps it would be better discussed under Touhou Wiki talk:Guidelines - I left a comment there.--Tosiaki 01:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Pasted there ♥★♦ 01:13, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Comparisons between fanon and canon[edit]

When it comes to talking about canon in the fanon section, the purpose is for comparison. The only way to do comparison is to talk about canon and fanon at the same time. Surely it would be appropriate to point out what canon has to say about fanon.--Tosiaki 21:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Additional unrelated comment: if we are going to use bullets, it only makes sense to give each entry names. After all, the point of using bullets is to make everything easier to read. Giving each entry a name would only make it easier to read, not harder.--Tosiaki 22:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Regarding a recent edit[edit]

Concerning these revisions, although I have no problems with drastic edits, I do not believe important information should be removed. This especially goes for the personality section, for which there really isn't a need to shorten it. However, I do agree with the edit to the "general information" section. For the time being, I have undone the edit, but I shall go ahead and redo some of those edits, as well as some minor reorganization of the personality section.--Tosiaki 09:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC) (Commented revised)--Tosiaki 06:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I know what I was doing when editing your content, and I tried to preserve the important parts whenever possible. And I must say that one thing your writing lacks is clarity (I'm pretty sure it's highly valued on wikipedia as well), which I am trying to fix. Let's discuss what should stay on the page here shall we? Ibaraki Ibuki 14:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Improving clarity should not involve removal of information, however. All quotations and facts should remain stated.--Tosiaki 14:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
We don't need to list every fact to prove an argument, only the important ones. Ibaraki Ibuki 14:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
We are not proving an argument here. The job of the page is to provide the facts.--Tosiaki 14:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I know, but I don't think the way the facts are organized makes the overall picture any clearer than before. (And I do have the right to move around whatever you write.) Ibaraki Ibuki 14:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Then it can be re-organized, but that doesn't mean any facts should be removed.--Tosiaki 14:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Fine, we'll keep all the facts, but only those that are 100% right. (Some, like the bullfinch bit, should be removed for being incorrect.)
By the way, pretty please try to stick to guidelines at all times. Ibaraki Ibuki 14:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
The bullfinch bit is correct, and should therefore not be removed.--Tosiaki 14:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
From what I know, though Alice may be aware of the purpose of the bullfinch festival, that doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't lie solely to avoid being pecked by them.Ibaraki Ibuki 15:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
As opposed to Marisa who was pecked at, though, she was not.--Tosiaki 15:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Furthermore, the style of the current "personality" section does not seem far off from character pages on Wikipedia or other game wikis, like here. If this kind of style using paragraphs in larger sections seems unnatural to you, this is probably just a carry over from the old format, when it was pretty much just about bullet points in a single "fun facts" section.--Tosiaki 15:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I've been editing TVTropes since 2009, made a few edits for Wikia before that, and seen a whole number of other wikis. I think I have a good feel for how wiki style works, my good sir.
By the way, I joined this wiki after they moved from the old wikia, and I only use the "old format" if it works.Ibaraki Ibuki 15:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Above all, I do not appreciate how I get called out on this page rather than my user page after I made an edit entirely in good faith.Ibaraki Ibuki 15:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The comment was made here since it purely concerns the contents of the page. On the other hand, it is if you were to make an edit that was not on good faith, that is when a comment would be made on the user page.--Tosiaki 15:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
This doesn't just concern the contents of the page; it concerns ME as well. (Very few editors have the honor of being called out in public like this.) Ibaraki Ibuki 15:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
That and you seem to imply my edits are entirely counterproductive. Ibaraki Ibuki 15:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Then it must have been a misunderstanding of what my original comment was saying. It was not talking about you, but rather, about the contents of the edit that you made.--Tosiaki 15:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
My edits are written solely by me alone. My edits represent my voice and my personality. My edits are my contribution to the wiki. That's why I feel this is so personal. Ibaraki Ibuki 15:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Half off this seems off-topic...anyway, Tosiaki is right about leaving any and all facts. Even the smallest piece of information is significant. It's like paleontology, each fossil tells a story and no matter how insignificant it may seem at first, it has value in the long-run. Now, about your personal feelings, it's better discussed somewhere else (Not trying to be against you, but it seems like a different topic). --Hikaruxz 15:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry I had to rant in public, though I still don't understand why he had to mention me in the topic title of all places.
I'm not against leaving in every fact, but good writing does not ramble, and Tosiaki's writing in my opinion doesn't illustrate the point clearly enough. Ibaraki Ibuki 16:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I also feel he relies on inferences more often than facts. Ibaraki Ibuki 16:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
The purpose is not to illustrate a point, but rather, to provide the official facts so as to allow people to make their own judgments.--Tosiaki 16:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
That still doesn't change the fact that your writing lacks clarity. Something you should have learned when learning about wiki style. Ibaraki Ibuki 16:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
As stated previously, things can be revised to make things more clear, but that does not mean that any information should be removed.--Tosiaki 16:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Of course, that's fine. Ibaraki Ibuki 16:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

"It can thus be concluded that her personality could be seen as "cool."" Aren't the readers supposed to make their own conclusions? I feel you're making your own conclusions for them. Ibaraki Ibuki 16:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Just for WaHH, she seems greedy and not that "cool" in terms of her actions. She slips up so many times. --Hikaruxz 16:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
The point I wanted to make here is that Tosiaki's being a hypocrite. But yeah, I see what you mean. Ibaraki Ibuki 16:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Few notes. First, I see no problem with identifying an editor on the Talk page if it helps to identify the problematic edit in question. EDIT: Not using a name to identify would probably be better; surely I don't need to mention the name of the same editor to get my point across.
Second, I have to back IbarakiIbuki on this. As I have noted before on other pages, clarity and conciseness are very important. I decided to specifically tackle Marisa's and Patchouli's articles because 1) to serve as examples, 2) I don't have the time to go through every article, and 3) they were characters I knew more about. I trust other editors to make character pages more readable, and to prune unnecessary details that add little to the point trying to be made.
Regarding clarity. It's bad if readers don't understand; it's worse when editors can't understand and have no choice but to guess the meaning. - Kiefmaster99 05:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The naming of section might have indeed been somewhat non-judicious.--Tosiaki 06:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Miko[edit]

Why is she constantly reffered to as "miko" and not just "shrine maiden"? ☢ Quwanti 11:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It's shorter and means exactly the same thing. "Miko" has a better relation to the Shinto religion. Although with Toyosatomimi no Miko introduced, I guess it might be better to use "shrine maiden" to avoid confusion with those that are unfamiliar with Japanese terms. --Hikaruxz 11:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
They mean the same thing so it is no problem to use both of them interchangeably. However, when it comes to 博麗の巫女, it should be referred to uniformly as "Miko of Hakurei" (with capital "M"), since it is somewhat of a title.--Tosiaki 12:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, ok. But it may be confused if two different terms are used in the wiki. Especcially as she is still the "Shrine Maiden of Paradise". ☢ Quwanti 12:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, for things that are title-like or name-like, it should be consistent as for whether "miko" or "shrine maiden" is used for each particular name or title - so for that case, it should be uniformly "Shrine Maiden of Paradise" - although there doesn't seem to be a need for consistency between all usages.--Tosiaki 12:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit Warring[edit]

I'm warning both of you, Tosiaki and Ibaraki Ibuki, to please keep it civil and to try and work out your differences. If you do not I'll be protecting the article for a period of time and probating the both of you. Thanks. Momiji 01:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I would like to comment that I have not attempted to make any personal attacks. If you have read my comments in the previous section, I think it should be clear that I was simply trying to argue regarding the reasons for edits and did not say anything personal, merely the merits and demerits of certain edits, nor did I respond to anything that went into personal issues. I would just like to make this clear. Thank you if you can understand this.--Tosiaki 01:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I would like to sincerely apologize for my actions. I felt that my rights as an editor were infringed upon and acted in an inappropriate matter. I deeply apologize to all the editors who witnessed my wild behavior. (Momiji, I am most sorry for getting you involved.) Ibaraki Ibuki 01:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

hidden function[edit]

What's going on now? The green strip is obstructing the yin-yang orb emblem that's right next to the section. I'd suggest that we undo the edit until someone comes up with a solution to this problem or, if you can, suggest a better section to move those images to and keep the hidden function there. --This message from DeltaSierra4 was delivered on 16:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Rather than simply undoing that edit, I suggest that we simply move the emblem instead. The problem won't go away even if the edit was undone, since when the table is unhidden, the table still obstructs the emblem.--としあき 16:47, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
It didn't obstruct the yin-yang emblem before the edit. I think you mean that it collided with the image with Marisa in it, and even that didn't get obstructed but rather obstructed the table itself (which is still a problem, true). As for why I was suggesting undoing the change and work on a solution, before the edit, at least the toggle view function didn't collide with the yin yang orb image, but now, the green strip collides with the image, regardless of whether the table is expanded or hidden. I guess this can be done: Move the images to a different part of the same section of spell cards (there is no other section that it seems to fit in, unless we implement the gallery feature) so that it appears underneath the table or something. --This message from DeltaSierra4 was delivered on 16:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
It shouldn't be a problem to perhaps simply just move it to the "general information" section.--としあき 17:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

PC-98 name moved[edit]

I'm a little curious as to why Reimu's PC-98 name has been moved to "Additional Information" when it's Reimu's (former) name, as well as this "In the Japanese community, 博麗靈夢 is used to refer to Reimu in the PC-98 era specifically" onwards isn't under the fandom section. I appreciate it if someone could explain this. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 06:57, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

Clarification needed on one of her abilities[edit]

What does "floating away from reality" even MEAN? Can someone who knows what this means please clarify?--OverCoat (talk) 12:02, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

  • It's unknown what really means, ZUN doesn't really like to explain the abilities. But according to this sources:

>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Spell_Cards/Last_Word#Spell_Card_215 >http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Grimoire_of_Marisa/Reimu_Hakurei%27s_Spell_Cards

Floating from reality means that she floats away (she leaves reality) from everything (damage,etc...the reality she is in) and thus becoming intangible and invincible because now she is not in the reality. It's a bit too complicated to explain and to understand... as I said, ZUN dislikes to define everything...

Hopes this helps... and if not... then I don't know other official sources where he explains this ability, and I don't have any other simply way to explain it. --Camilo113 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

So basically she has the ability to phase in & out of this plane of existence. I'll clarify this in the article myself.--OverCoat (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, that's another reason why yukari is considered the strongest character in touhou. Since she can easily manipulate the border between reality and fantasy whenever she started to fly above reality. You sy that zun dislikes to define everything but I have to disagree with that. What I think ks that a good story teller and philosopher is someone who tells enough. And I think zun has found just the right line.A persian youkai 21:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Final boss status[edit]

Reimu is a final boss when playing the regular final bosses' scenarios in the competitive games, but that isn't acknowledged for some reason. Shouldn't her status be (Possible Opponent/ Possible Final Boss) or something along the lines of that?

Seems OK. I'd put something along the lines as 'final boss of <name>'s scenario'. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 17:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for agreeing.^^ Risanderu Yumikozuki (talk) 20:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Paper Charms[edit]

Reimu's danmaku often appear to be paper charms. I was wondering if they should be mentioned on this page since they seem to be a significant distinguishing feature of her character (and, as such, often end up in her fanart).

They could be mentioned, but it'd be better if they've also got their own article. I've made a few red links to ofuda here and there, but I'll need to do some research on Reimu's amulets, unless someone else can also contribute? Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 21:03, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

About Reimu impurity ability[edit]

I think it could be noted that Reimu is capable of add calamities, impure or dark power to her danmaku, I think is based on her ability to invoke gods's power, like as seen in Silent Sinner in Blue 17, 18 and her last spell in Hong's story mode in Hisoutensoku, but the canonicity of that battle is doubtful.Virus bass (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm currently in the middle of updating this article (I've been doing it for days already, there's A LOT of stuff missing). This ability is related to her power as the Miko of Hakurei, so I'll ensure to add to it (unless someone else does this). Meiling's scenario in Soku mostly takes place in her dreams, thus having a "Fake Reimu", so that's non-canon. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 18:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Creation of Reimu source?[edit]

I'm having a lot of trouble on trying to find the original source to where I found this: "In general, ZUN thought it was a good idea to include a shrine maiden in an STG compared to other typical futuristic STGs simply because it was unusual at the time of her creation." Does anyone know where ZUN stated this? I've written it last year, but to where I've read the source was ages before that. I'm certain this statement is true, but I just can't for the life of me find where I found it...! Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 21:39, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


ULiL Profile retranslation and "毎度お馴染み"[edit]

I have retranslated Reimu's ULiL profile as that was highly necessary. Input would be appreciated. More importantly; I noted the reoccurring phrase in her profiles "毎度お馴染み", translated as "the now-familiar"; I've instead opted for the translation "the all-too familiar" as that sounds a lot more natural, as well as a bit closer to the original phrase. Preferably the profiles should match, with the same wordings and phrases being translated in the same way. I would prefer to see a change from "the now-familiar" to "the all-too familiar" in her profiles; or perhaps another suitable phrasing. Thoughts? --Huppa (talk) 14:27, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Unceremonious agreement. "Now-familiar" seems to have been introduced in the initial translation of the MoF profile and then spread forwards (and backwards) after that. "All-too familiar" definitely fits better. Long ago it used to be "the shrine maiden you all know" which was still arguably better. Drake Irving (talk) 08:22, 30 March 2017 (UTC)