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Discussions


Spell Card Info Template Revamp

As per topic, I will starting to revamp Spell Card Info, and this action may broke certain article's presentation. I will try to fix the pages as soon as possible - KyoriAsh (talk) 07:45, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

"Albums needing pages" instead of "Albums needing genres"

I've been trying to maintain a Current event release worklist and I think it's a more useful link to place in the "Articles Needing Attention" section of the front page than the current music/doujin albums link to Category: Genre Needed. Ycdtosa (talk) 17:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Spell card comments

Clarste made a good point about the spell card comments, something that's been on my mind as well. Why exactly are they there? They are not official (apart from a few games' commentaries), and don't really add anything other than someone trying to be funny. ☢ Quwanti 23:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Should we go through and delete them all, then? I didn't even realise those comments weren't from ZUN until I sat down and properly read the spell card page before... Biggest Dreamer (talk) 05:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
I've never actually read the spell card comments but had always assumed they were all official non-the-less, at present no spell card pages have comments due to an error in the template (going off the discord discussion). As an outside observer who never actually read any of the wiki's spell comments (I read them in game though), I think it needs to be much much clearer which comments are official vs unofficial or they should be moved to completely avoid any misconceptions, although outside of avoiding misconceptions I really don't see an issue with including unofficial spellcard comments. At present there's not much on these pages without the comments (just a picture and 4 short lines of text) so including something unofficial in my mind makes for a better reading experience, on the flip side since many games don't have official spell card comments I'd recommend changing the format of pages without comments altogether, one example could be using full sized spellcard images instead of half sized. Ycdtosa (talk) 13:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
In general, the spell cards can be a bit unclear since different phases of a spell card are not included, and neither are non-named cards (aside from those in StB, DS and ISC). Anyway, I think they should be removed all together, for the time being. One idea is to give some sort of explanation for the title, what it means and why it's significant for the character, but that could be a lot of work. ☢ Quwanti 15:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Concurring with their removal. Seemingly the only reason they've stood for so long is because of tradition, something that started over a decade ago just for flavour and happened to stick around. Drake Irving (talk) 12:46, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Spell Card Template new coding

Hi all, I would like some opinion about the new Spell Card Template that made use of some new CSS, which might broke some browser especially IE 11. Test Cases can be viewed from the link. Please provide opinion here if you feel that the template is not compatible with your browser - KyoriAsh (talk) 11:55, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

updated list of Fan Comics + Official Print Work

Hi Guys,

I made a list of fan cirles and some of the official printwork.

To be honest, I have no experience on wiki editing and I have no idea how this works.

So I put this list, that maybe somebody could edit this.

I hope, that I could be somehow useful.


Talk:Potential Comics

(I chose this page, because it wasn't used since 2009)


P.S.: I won't be active after this post. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austrian Pianist (talkcontribs) 16:53 (UTC), 9 April 2018

We *seriously* need a way to have people knowing what is going on

Anyone's who's been on here for a non-trivial amount of time should know by now that a major issue with maintaining the wiki, insofar as making any kind of "significant" changes, is that nobody ever knows what the heck is going on because there's no way to notify people when there's ongoing discussion and shit always hits the fan. I knew once people started talking about changing "Rei'sen" and asking for votes or objections, as well as e.g. the above requests for input about Spell Card templates and the user-written flavour comments, that basically nobody answers even if they would have useful input. It's awful for productivity and consensus.

There's the Discord and IRC at least, but any kind of external requirement is not great for this kind of purpose because some people simply do not use those services at all or minimally, and it shouldn't be a requirement for people to use, because then this implies only users that are part of these groups are privy to important notices, which I think is destructive. Having a clear and visible method for "issue tracking" as a part of the wiki itself is important because anyone with any stake in editing the wiki is already going to be a user. Put another way, the Discord and IRC as means of discussion should be 1) orthogonal to means of notification, and 2) supplementary to talk pages but entirely optional.

Stuff like Projects is kind of along the right lines, but those are more about long-term maintenance and still require active checking. Additionally there's the fact that you add the Notice to include articles as part of the Project and so on, whereas I'm thinking more that the issues shouldn't require any extra work on existing pages and are basically a way to point out "hey, there's a discussion happening over here relevant to [subscribed topic] that potentially needs input". Heck, this very talk page is one of the only ways people get notified about sweeping changes, if people even put them here. That's half of why I'm putting this here.

More generally, I do not think wholly article-based solutions are the way to go. We see attempts at structure pop up every now and then with stuff like Touhou Wiki:Translator Zone, Touhou Wiki:Touhou Daikaitei, portals, I dunno; the point is that there are a ton of them and nobody knows about them, nobody gets notified, nobody participates, and they die. Many of them are also for like, the same general purposes. It's literally insanity to keep using these kinds of arcane methods to try to get people on board to do things.

My suggestion here is first to use a MediaWiki tool like Notifications (aka Echo) to implement a way for people to actually receive notifications of some sort. The information surrounding Notifications is pretty fuzzy but apparently it should be standard already? In any case, many extensions see to make use of this feature for various productive purposes and it solves the problem of pushing versus checking (at least on the wiki level). The next step is to use one of these extensions like Newsletter (for example), to have a public and clear list of subjects that users might want to be notified about when there's relevant discussion. Maybe there are only a couple and are manually added by admin so as not to go overboard with compartmentalization. If a user subscribed to the subject (Translations, Names/Terminology, Music albums, Templates, etc), they would be able to create new issues that are basically links to the relevant talk page(s) that require input and discussion, and they'd also receive notifications for new issues added. Make it obvious how one would subscribe to these lists so nobody just happens to not realize it exists.

This way editors that are interested in certain subjects have ways to become notified of things they want to be notified about, and have a way to bring other interested parties to discuss things they probably wouldn't have otherwise noticed unless they stalk RecentChanges. I would particularly like to hear input from User:Mami about technical feasibility.

Drake Irving (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

This is a constant issue here. The Discord seems to have helped in establishing more rapid communication between groups. I already have a module that pushes wiki updates to a channel on the Discord; if there was a way to push things from the Discord here, in the sense of a constant and frequent event/news list it'd be pretty nice. I'm also open to discussing any other sort of notifications. Mami (talk) 23:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to create an RSS feed for those who are members of each respective zone/project? Code Slasher (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Images not loading without JavaScript

It seems that most images on the wiki fail to load now with JavaScript disabled. I think it used to work fine not too long ago. Checked in both Mozilla and Chrome. Niektory (talk) 22:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC) Even with JS enabled they sometimes don't load. I have to refresh the page to see them. Niektory (talk) 13:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I changed some of the settings for the image scaler. Let me know if you still see the issue. Mami (talk) 23:09, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, still the same, nothing seems to have changed. Niektory (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)