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Spell Card Info Template Revamp

As per topic, I will starting to revamp Spell Card Info, and this action may broke certain article's presentation. I will try to fix the pages as soon as possible - KyoriAsh (talk) 07:45, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

"Albums needing pages" instead of "Albums needing genres"

I've been trying to maintain a Current event release worklist and I think it's a more useful link to place in the "Articles Needing Attention" section of the front page than the current music/doujin albums link to Category: Genre Needed. Ycdtosa (talk) 17:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Spell card comments

Clarste made a good point about the spell card comments, something that's been on my mind as well. Why exactly are they there? They are not official (apart from a few games' commentaries), and don't really add anything other than someone trying to be funny. ☢ Quwanti 23:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Should we go through and delete them all, then? I didn't even realise those comments weren't from ZUN until I sat down and properly read the spell card page before... Biggest Dreamer (talk) 05:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
I've never actually read the spell card comments but had always assumed they were all official non-the-less, at present no spell card pages have comments due to an error in the template (going off the discord discussion). As an outside observer who never actually read any of the wiki's spell comments (I read them in game though), I think it needs to be much much clearer which comments are official vs unofficial or they should be moved to completely avoid any misconceptions, although outside of avoiding misconceptions I really don't see an issue with including unofficial spellcard comments. At present there's not much on these pages without the comments (just a picture and 4 short lines of text) so including something unofficial in my mind makes for a better reading experience, on the flip side since many games don't have official spell card comments I'd recommend changing the format of pages without comments altogether, one example could be using full sized spellcard images instead of half sized. Ycdtosa (talk) 13:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
In general, the spell cards can be a bit unclear since different phases of a spell card are not included, and neither are non-named cards (aside from those in StB, DS and ISC). Anyway, I think they should be removed all together, for the time being. One idea is to give some sort of explanation for the title, what it means and why it's significant for the character, but that could be a lot of work. ☢ Quwanti 15:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Concurring with their removal. Seemingly the only reason they've stood for so long is because of tradition, something that started over a decade ago just for flavour and happened to stick around. Drake Irving (talk) 12:46, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
So, it's two years later and the comments are still there and while reading through SA's spellcards I caught myself automatically assuming they are canon before remembering that they are in fact not. I would take it upon myself to remove all of them from all games. Is it OK if I do this? --Nameless Fairy (talk) 17:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Spell Card Template new coding

Hi all, I would like some opinion about the new Spell Card Template that made use of some new CSS, which might broke some browser especially IE 11. Test Cases can be viewed from the link. Please provide opinion here if you feel that the template is not compatible with your browser - KyoriAsh (talk) 11:55, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

updated list of Fan Comics + Official Print Work

Hi Guys,

I made a list of fan cirles and some of the official printwork.

To be honest, I have no experience on wiki editing and I have no idea how this works.

So I put this list, that maybe somebody could edit this.

I hope, that I could be somehow useful.

Talk:Potential Comics

(I chose this page, because it wasn't used since 2009)

P.S.: I won't be active after this post. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austrian Pianist (talkcontribs) 16:53 (UTC), 9 April 2018

We *seriously* need a way to have people knowing what is going on

Anyone's who's been on here for a non-trivial amount of time should know by now that a major issue with maintaining the wiki, insofar as making any kind of "significant" changes, is that nobody ever knows what the heck is going on because there's no way to notify people when there's ongoing discussion and shit always hits the fan. I knew once people started talking about changing "Rei'sen" and asking for votes or objections, as well as e.g. the above requests for input about Spell Card templates and the user-written flavour comments, that basically nobody answers even if they would have useful input. It's awful for productivity and consensus.

There's the Discord and IRC at least, but any kind of external requirement is not great for this kind of purpose because some people simply do not use those services at all or minimally, and it shouldn't be a requirement for people to use, because then this implies only users that are part of these groups are privy to important notices, which I think is destructive. Having a clear and visible method for "issue tracking" as a part of the wiki itself is important because anyone with any stake in editing the wiki is already going to be a user. Put another way, the Discord and IRC as means of discussion should be 1) orthogonal to means of notification, and 2) supplementary to talk pages but entirely optional.

Stuff like Projects is kind of along the right lines, but those are more about long-term maintenance and still require active checking. Additionally there's the fact that you add the Notice to include articles as part of the Project and so on, whereas I'm thinking more that the issues shouldn't require any extra work on existing pages and are basically a way to point out "hey, there's a discussion happening over here relevant to [subscribed topic] that potentially needs input". Heck, this very talk page is one of the only ways people get notified about sweeping changes, if people even put them here. That's half of why I'm putting this here.

More generally, I do not think wholly article-based solutions are the way to go. We see attempts at structure pop up every now and then with stuff like Touhou Wiki:Translator Zone, Touhou Wiki:Touhou Daikaitei, portals, I dunno; the point is that there are a ton of them and nobody knows about them, nobody gets notified, nobody participates, and they die. Many of them are also for like, the same general purposes. It's literally insanity to keep using these kinds of arcane methods to try to get people on board to do things.

My suggestion here is first to use a MediaWiki tool like Notifications (aka Echo) to implement a way for people to actually receive notifications of some sort. The information surrounding Notifications is pretty fuzzy but apparently it should be standard already? In any case, many extensions see to make use of this feature for various productive purposes and it solves the problem of pushing versus checking (at least on the wiki level). The next step is to use one of these extensions like Newsletter (for example), to have a public and clear list of subjects that users might want to be notified about when there's relevant discussion. Maybe there are only a couple and are manually added by admin so as not to go overboard with compartmentalization. If a user subscribed to the subject (Translations, Names/Terminology, Music albums, Templates, etc), they would be able to create new issues that are basically links to the relevant talk page(s) that require input and discussion, and they'd also receive notifications for new issues added. Make it obvious how one would subscribe to these lists so nobody just happens to not realize it exists.

This way editors that are interested in certain subjects have ways to become notified of things they want to be notified about, and have a way to bring other interested parties to discuss things they probably wouldn't have otherwise noticed unless they stalk RecentChanges. I would particularly like to hear input from User:Mami about technical feasibility.

Drake Irving (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

This is a constant issue here. The Discord seems to have helped in establishing more rapid communication between groups. I already have a module that pushes wiki updates to a channel on the Discord; if there was a way to push things from the Discord here, in the sense of a constant and frequent event/news list it'd be pretty nice. I'm also open to discussing any other sort of notifications. Mami (talk) 23:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to create an RSS feed for those who are members of each respective zone/project? Code Slasher (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Images not loading without JavaScript

It seems that most images on the wiki fail to load now with JavaScript disabled. I think it used to work fine not too long ago. Checked in both Mozilla and Chrome. Niektory (talk) 22:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC) Even with JS enabled they sometimes don't load. I have to refresh the page to see them. Niektory (talk) 13:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I changed some of the settings for the image scaler. Let me know if you still see the issue. Mami (talk) 23:09, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, still the same, nothing seems to have changed. Niektory (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Translation Misedits

User_talk:Yamaxandu is continually undoing the correct translation of "その八重垣を" which is an has an officially translated source Kushinadahime and also removing my citations in favor of his fan translation. Please advise. (sorry of this is wrong area 'report issue' links here.ADCK (talk) 10:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

  • No Reply? In case i'm not making myself clear, I'm requesting Admin assistance. This Yamaxandu kid is itching for an edit war, I feel like i'm doing the right thing here by reporting the issue, I have verifiable citations proving my case. It should be a simple thing for an admin to say yay or nay? ADCK (talk) 12:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • They didn’t respond because I am in the right ;) -Yamaxandu (talk) 12:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
I am not an admin, but if a vote helps, I think ADCK could be right, providing that there can be definitive evidence that the makers of that song were referring to that poem about her. Code Slasher (talk) 06:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

ToggleDisplay no longer working

I noticed that in articles like Dragon (God), there are some <toggledisplay> tags showing up in plain text. Someone also mentioned this over at Template_talk:Bug#Update for MediaWiki >= 1.18: Apparently, the ToggleDisplay extension was eliminated in MediaWiki 1.18 and was replaced with collapsible elements. I don't know what these were originally supposed to look like, so could someone help fix this? Thanks. Ahiijny (talk) 04:41, 28 December 2018 (UCT)

Fixed in that template and another now, though there's no easy search to find more templates, and the bare element is used by itself on way too many pages -- almost always unnecessarily. If you see those tags, 95% of the time, just delete them. -- Mazian (talk) 04:43, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Re:Colors/Colours (part 3)

After a few years of going back and forth on the spelling for the translation of "色" and in light of recent edits, I believe that it is time that we revisit this topic and its overlying issue: translation consistency. Based on this discussion, we essentially decided that "色" needed to be "colour", "coloured", etc. (a British English spelling) because that was how someone first translated it for one of Story of Eastern Wonderland's song titles in an English patch. That being said, this caused a weird discrepancy when someone translated "色" to "colored" (an American English spelling) in one of Imperishable Night's song titles. ZUN has used at least two variants of English over the years, such as "the Last Judgement" and "Colorful Path", making it difficult for us to establish a set spelling standard for future use (although we have tried via the aforementioned discussion). Despite this, because he has used "colored", I believe that we should unite all of the translations for at least "色" to "color", "colored", etc., including the translation used for that Story of Eastern Wonderland song title. Is there anyone here who believes that we should use "coloured" instead of "colored" at this time? Code Slasher (talk) 07:08, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, I don't think it's a pressing issue, but it would be nice to adapt a single spelling for consistency's sake. "Legacy reasons" are a pretty poor argument, even when it comes to something as incredibly minor as this. We primarily use "colored" just about everywhere else (see "Seven-Colored Puppeteer" or "The Ground's Color is Yellow"), so why not? That, and while I argue for not following him to a T all the time, I think ZUN has only used the "judgement" and "color" variants. VasteelXolotl (talk) 09:21, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
For the sake of consistency I really think it should be colored across the board considering that's how ZUN's used it. It doesn't really make sense for Reimu's theme to use "colored" but Marisa's theme to use "coloured"Megaman-Omega (talk) 03:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Music Titles and Potential Redundancies

Okay, so let's discuss this in a talk page that can be referenced in the future. There was some previous discussion here, but given that it was in a user's talk page, it didn't get much traffic. Basically, there have been edits made and reverted that removed the Japanese part of Music title due to being perceived as redundant. Examples of this include 世界の果て ~ World's End going from End of the World ~ World's End to just World's End and 少女綺想曲 ~ Capriccio going from Maiden's Capriccio ~ Capriccio to Maiden's Capriccio.

Personally, I echo what PK wrote in the previous discussion. A translation of a music title is just that, a translation. When we have a music title like JAPANESE ~ ENGLISH, ideally we translate the Japanese part and keep the rest of the music as intact as possible. If the title has two parts you keep both even if the meaning is the same so that anyone reading the title actually gets to know what both parts mean without having to wonder why someone removed the Japanese part instead of translating it. It's still part of the music title and thus should not be removed. I will note that the two examples above had added annotations with "lit. End of the World ~ World's End" when it was changed to World's End. Why not just make that annotated translation the actual translation if it is more correct? For 少女綺想曲 ~ Capriccio, the two "sides" so to speak are not even the same, one is "Maiden's Capriccio" and the other is just "Capriccio". Strange? Sure, but it is different and should not be perceived as redundant. --DTM (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I should've put this here in the first place. Oops.
Translations of titles should be kept as close as possible, yes. However, the titles were originally already laid out as [Japanese title] ~ [English translation] (kinda like how ZUN does it in Shuusou Gyoku, except in the cases I want to change it's in the titles themselves rather than omake files). You may be against giving those particular songs some sort of "exclusive treatment" since we generally keep everything, but these tautologies are introduced specifically due to translation, as it's now all in one language. Keeping both segments in these cases isn't necessarily more correct - to me it feels more overcorrect, trying to keep everything the same due to some unwritten rule. In addition, I don't know why some of them are cut off while others aren't. What makes World's End special compared to Doll of Misery that necessiates keeping both parts, other than trying to keep old, inconsistent translations for status quo reasons? Or Casket of Stars?
The annotations were added as a compromise between both ways, where the needless part is out of direct view, but it's there as a footnote in case someone really wants to know. I can't imagine anyone actually getting confused, since to care and look for the untranslated titles (and reasons for cutting things out), you would need to have some prior knowledge in the first place, and at that point it's not exactly hard to come to the conclusion without any guidance.
Besides, this isn't something like omitting a previously untranslated part of EoSD's 3rd stage theme - it's removing something that's the exact same and translated word for word without regard for that. To me it's just slight translation corrections. VasteelXolotl (talk) 16:56, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Honestly speaking, the argument of "if other songs had the Japanese section cut off when translating, why not this one?" sounds equally like an argument for properly translating them instead of "cutting out the redundant words". 装飾戦 ~ Decoration Battle into Decoration Battle, 霊天 ~ Spiritual Heaven into Spiritual Heaven, 禁断の魔法 ~ Forbidden Magic into Forbidden Magic and 悲しき人形 ~ Doll of Misery into Doll of Misery.
Music translations should be done to accurately translate what's there so people who don't know Japanese aren't left with "Huh? Why'd they just not bother translating the first part?"
Yes you may come into some redundancies, especially with earlier music (sometimes not even though, 少女綺想曲 and Capriccio are two completely different words and definitely should not be combined into one). But the point of this place is to accurately translate what's presented, not make arbitrary decisions of "this sounds redundant, so just cut it out". Changes to old translations should be done to improve or fix old mistranslations and errors, but something like changing Vessel of Stars ~ Casket of Star into Casket of Stars feels like less of an improvement of the original translation and more personal preference from feeling that "Vessel of Stars" and "Casket of Star" sound too similar to one another.Megaman-Omega (talk) 17:16, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Sure, a consistent approach would be the primary thing to consider over preferences in translation in this case. Still, I don't see why not. This does seem like a translation problem to me, since this really only becomes an "issue" when translated, and it's a result of trying to go for the highest possible accuracy over taking some liberties to make things seem more coherent to an English speaker. An issue in a few other places, actually. I should get on that sometime.
You could translate 器 in about a million ways just like any other character, but why would you, when you straight-up have the English translation right there? It's the same as other "redundant" songs, where I'm pretty sure the titles work in the way I laid out in my initial reply. Unless you want to propose translating the Japanese segments differently from the English counterparts in every song like that, in which case... well, I don't know what you could do with names like "眠れる恐怖" that wouldn't be stilted and make matters worse. I guess I can see the case for Maiden's Capriccio, though, since it's not literally the same. I've gone back on the Phantom Ensemble change for a similar reason.
As I've said before, I don't see how all this is a problem to people who don't know Japanese. In the first place, you have to learn of these changes and go out of your way to look up the music separately of the games to figure out just why they were made. I imagine reaching a conclusion by yourself at that point isn't hard. Buuuut you wouldn't particularly need to think/google much, since you'd have the annotations. Boom.
If anything, I imagine your average Joe would go "ah, makes sense, it's the same thing" instead of "why would they ditch this?!" Matter of factly, the current English patches for the PC-98 games cut out the unnecessary parts in music and stages (with one exception) and still have the full Japanese titles in the Music Room, and I've yet to see anyone raise an eyebrow. Kind of a moot argument, I think. VasteelXolotl (talk) 20:08, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
"Your average Joe" is a little bit subjective. Their opinion might change depending on how long they have been paying attention to the Touhou Project, especially the song titles. Furthermore, I side with DTM and Megaman-Omega on this one, as there are plenty of instances where the Japanese before the tilde is not easily equatable to the English on the other side. This even happens in areas that are not song titles, such as "東方神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires". Removing the translation on one side of the tilde dulls the clarification of the other. Code Slasher (talk) 04:28, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
But I'm not arguing for that? 神霊廟 is as far from Ten Desires as it can possibly be. Not once have I talked about game titles, which always have two distinct parts. I don't see what enlightening context will this hypothetical average Joe gain from seeing "Sleeping Terror" twice back to back. VasteelXolotl (talk) 10:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Would it be worthwhile removing the redundancies, but then noting in a footnote that the first half of the title is the Japanese version of the second half? That way people know that there was originally two halves, but they know why we didn't include it in the translation. After all, it's inherently impossible for these translated titles to serve their original function (source language ~ translated language) unless we do something like (translated title ~ romanisation), which wouldn't really be ideal. I agree that we gain nothing from seeing "Sleeping Terror" twice back to back. Biggest Dreamer (talk) 06:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
That was my proposed solution for those exact reasons. I had the footnotes up on the LLS page for a while, actually. I think this option would make the most sense.
I changed all the titles to their redundant versions for the time being, but I'm still not at all convinced, either. Especially since one person completely missed the point and talked about game titles for some reason. VasteelXolotl (talk) 07:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I thought you did that on purpose. I think you are not understanding when there is an approximation versus an exact versus something entirely different. When you remove one side of a tilde for either an approximation or something entirely different, you are potentially removing clarification in a title. What you are suggesting only works when they are exactly the same and/or there is no better alternative for the translation of the original Japanese, such as with "Sleeping Terror". (In fact, there is a similar situation with some of the fan-made arrangements, like "UTAKATA -泡沫-" (both are "Foam").) Code Slasher (talk) 21:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I wasn't gonna weigh in on this originally but I thought I might just to see if I can offer a little insight on what seems to be an endless back and forth discussion. First and foremost, this is a wiki. We primarily record all things canon to the series. We should, ideally, preserve the titles no matter how redundant because, in the end, ZUN wrote them that way. But, we have leeway with translation. We don't have to have "Sleeping Terror ~ Sleeping Terror". Why not "Dormant Horror ~ Sleeping Terror", for example? That's a valid translation and it gets rid of a ridiculous title repetition. Why not? Same thing was done for Phantom Band, Casket of Star, and Luna Dial ("月時計 ~ ルナ・ダイアル" is just the repetition of [moon]+[timepiece]). In order to remove hilarious redundancy, I propose that new translations be made. "End of the World ~ World's End" (世界の果て refers to the edge of the world; Pandemonium is canonically at the edge of Makai, according to Shiki) could be "Edge of Space ~ World's End" as 世界 can mean "realm" or "dimension" and Makai is, based on what little we know of it, no orb-shaped planet. These are just suggestions of course. If this idea is implemented we could always have a vote on titles. But, yeah. I believe that giving alternative translations to these titles is the perfect middle ground to outright removing them or keeping a ridiculously redundant title. Hopefully I don't sound too crazy making a suggestion like this. It's always an option.
Ennin (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
No, what you are saying is not too crazy. In fact, I was advocating for exactly that (not getting rid of approximations), and this is also what used to be the status quo on here. Code Slasher (talk) 21:49, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
And I brought this up because I wanted some translation leeway, so I don't have anything against it either. I'm not sure if that's doable for every title (not that I'm particularly going through all of them to check now, but what about 霊天, off the top of my head?), but it'll come down to individual songs, so it's a valid approach. VasteelXolotl (talk) 13:43, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I think that keeping the text to the left of the tilde, rather than increasing clarification, actually decreases clarification (especially if unnecessary liberties are taken for the sake of making it sound different). In these sorts of titles, like many of the PC-98 ones, I think the text to the right actually sets out the boundaries through which we interpret the text to the left.
For an example, let's look at Yuuka's second theme: 幽夢 ~ Inanimate Dream. We currently have it as 'Faint Dream ~ Inanimate Dream'. I actually don't think 'Faint' is an adequate translation of 幽 in this instance, and I've come to that conclusion based on the text to the right of the tildre. Inanimate literally means 'lifeless'. Knowing this, we can now make use of the following meaning of 幽: ⑤あの世の。死者の。「─界・─霊」. In other words, we should interpret 幽 as meaning 'lifeless', and can actually translate 幽夢 as Inanimate Dream. It's another example of a title where the English translation is already given, and I don't think that 'Faint Dream' necessarily adds to our understanding of the title.
It's an entirely valid approach to offer up a different translation to the left of the tilde, but I think if we did that we'd be doing it for the purpose of adding flavour, rather than preserving titles or removing clarification. The clarification for these titles is provided by the English - In effect, ZUN is telling us how to interpret the Japanese text.
I strongly feel that the ideal solution is to keep the English translations to the right of the tilde and add in a footnote that the Japanese text means the same thing. We should identify the titles, like Inanimate Dream, where the English deepens our understanding of how the Japanese text should be interpreted and adopt that translation as the best one for the sake of clarity. It seems like the general mood is to use an alternative translation to the left, and that's fine too - I just think that the reasoning is off. We'd be taking that approach to add flavour and preserve the structure. After all, if "World's End" should be interpreted as "The End (destruction) of the World", then translating 世界の果て as "Edge of Space" is actually taking us further away from the intended meaning. For more discussion on how 世界の果て should be interpreted, please see this old discussion.
That's pretty much all I wanted to say, but I think there are pretty good arguments to go for both flavour text and going with the translation we've been given. Biggest Dreamer (talk) 09:01, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:The/A/[blank] [song title]

(revisiting from the discussion from Archive 14)

This is driving me nuts. We seem to have all three of these scattered throughout the wiki. Should this be a user discretion thing, or should we standardize something? I for one have tried to improve the flow of song titles, add title emphasis, etc. to different song titles by using these filler words, but I would really like some other users' inputs on this. For example, we have The Road of the Misfortune God ~ Dark Road. Why did we not use A Road of the Misfortune God ~ Dark Road or Road of the Misfortune God ~ Dark Road? In addition, we have Eternal Transient Reign (like Eternal Shrine Maiden). Why did we not use The Eternal Transient Reign (like The Eternal Steam Engine) or An Eternal Transient Reign (like An Eternity More Transient than Scarlet)? Code Slasher (talk) 17:13, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

There's no possible overall standard, no more than you could interchange "a road" and "the road" in everyday English conversation - they're not the same. It'll always have to be down to the individual translations, based on translator best judgment. -- Mazian (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)


Since the most relevant people to the site (or the people closest to them) are probably on this wiki, I'd like to say that I think it's about time someone renewed Gensokyo.org. Persona! (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Speculation and Conjecture in Character Pages

Currently, a number of character pages are absolutely riddled with hearsay - Marisa Kirisame's page is probably the prime example of this. The occupation section is mostly wild conjecture, there's absolutely bizarre leaps of logic (such as naming Chiyuri Kitashirakawa, a pc-98 character of all things, as a possible influence on Marisa's personality without a single cited source), there's very colored language at parts (such as referring to her relationship with Alice as love-hate), saying that she might have a hoarding disorder without a source cited, and this is far from the only page like this.

Character pages need to be gone through and edited to remove these instances of speculation, unless there's some reason for keeping them that I'm missing. The character pages are notoriously misleading, and removing fan speculation from them outside of the fandom page would be a good step towards fixing that.

Nyttyn (talk) 21:49, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How did they create?

Can someone please tell me what they used to create the website? 9:36 AM, October 7th, 2020 ~User:KanakoYasaka

You mean this site, the Touhou Wiki? It's using MediaWiki, the same software that is used by Wikipedia. --Nameless Fairy (talk) 14:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

There are download links (or online readers) on several of the Print Works. Wouldn't this be considered pirating?

I'm farily new to this Wiki (I have visited it for quite a while, but only started editing soon), so pardon me... I am also not someone who knows much about how licensing works for Japan print works and Mangá. But...
Wouldn't sharing print works, such as comics and novels, be considered pirating? Download links are available in multiple pages (such as this one, as well huge packs included in the Comics page. This page also has the book's content on the Wiki itself).
I know people like free stuff, but if something was sold for a price, it probably shouldn't be made available, and I'm mostly sure that not all comics have been free-of-charge.
I don't want to sound too critical here, I am just not sure as to why these are available for download. Gabrielwoj (talk) 03:01, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

It is pirating, and I support removal of such contents. We don't allow pirated copies of games on the wiki either. ☢ Quwanti
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's basically the only reasonable way to experience the comics if you are not a Japanese reader. Belone
The copyright holders clearly don't mind or they would demand removal themselves. Let's not be overzealous. If you were to remove everything that could "be considered pirating", then you'll have a lot of removing to do and the only thing that you'll achieve is making the wiki less useful. Niektory (talk) 15:43, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, historically ZUN hasn't really cared all too much about piracy, he could easily take it all down if he wanted to. Belone (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Those translations will still exist. The wiki simply won't host/be a portal for them any more. ☢ Quwanti 16:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
That sounds like a contradiction. Full translations are supposed to be the equivalent of having the material, unless you do not include the images. I am with Niektory on this one, though. We put ourselves in a position to lose useful content if we remove them. Code Slasher (talk) 03:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm specifically talking about the links to entire scans of print works, which will still exist elsewhere on the internet. The transcriptions/translations also don't really belong on the wiki like this, but I understand if there is more of a backlash towards the removal of those. ☢ Quwanti 09:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki formatting broke for me.

I don't know what caused this, I didn't change any settings or something like that, but the entire formatting for me on the entire wiki is screwed up, a few examples down below:




Can someone tell me how I can fix this, please? Belone (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

It's probably a dumb question but are you sure that you didn't just switch to mobile version of the wiki accidentaly? Lemington (talk) 04:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Dunno, how would I revert that if I did? Belone (talk) 11:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Go the the bottom of the page, there is written "desktop". PK (talk) 12:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Well, that fixed it, thanks.Belone (talk) 13:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

The formatting of one of the pages is broken

So, I was editing this particular page, and I noticed that no text had shown up on it, save for two lines. When I go to edit the page itself, I find all the text there, but I cannot find the error that's causing this to happen. Can I have some assistance?--MadamePhoton (talk) 08:23, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

I did some testing, and it works if ja/en is swapped for native/trans, which is weird because ja/en works fine on other pages e.g. the corresponding page on UFO. Tygerius (talk) 12:33, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
EDIT: Managed to find the problem. The spaces after each "ja" and "en" were non-breaking spaces, which were messing up the template somehow. I went ahead and removed them. Tygerius (talk) 12:42, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you so much for helping me! I owe you my life~ --MadamePhoton (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Error in Transcription

Just to let everyone know, this page for Strange Creator of Outer Worlds's entry on Mountain of Faith has all its text copy-pasted from the Hidden Star in Four Seasons interview. If anyone can get the actual text from the Mountain of Faith overview article, that'd be great. --MadamePhoton (talk) 16:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Discord server ban.

Who do I contact about a ban from the wiki discord server? Belone (talk) 12:08, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

May I know what's your username in Discord? - KyoriAsh (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
F.F#3060 Belone (talk) 12:39, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
I revoked your ban on Touhou Wiki server, but if you start showing undesirable behaviours, I might have to re-issue the ban on you. - Another Oni (talk) 14:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

17.5 portraits.

Do we use the 17.5 or do we keep the 18 portraits for Reimu and Marisa? 17.5's release being what it is kind of makes this confusing. Belone (talk) 21:23, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


This download contains all the assets in Touhou 17.5, if you want to help update the images, download this and go to \data_a\unk all the games sprites/gifs are in there, although all of them have names that consist of seemingly random numbers/letters. https://mega.nz/file/A9xyUCrA#hDZc2znt461S8-J528nUnjhkMRPCC2QCoUgN1qbJ_wI

You really want to first edit these images in software like paint.net to get rid of unused space.

Creddits to brliron#0478 on the thpatch Discord for this. Belone (talk) 12:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Rainbow-Colored Septentrion

Can someone please add Rainbow-Colored Septentrion to the music section thanks Crim (talk) 22:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Why do the Fandom pages exist?

You know, the "Fandom" pages that are linked at the bottom of every character, the ones that just cover a bunch of memes? I don't really think their existence is warranted. Belone (talk) 12:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

They are only a review of the different characters as seen in the community (not in the lore). Why do you consider they are not necessary in the wiki? They add a different point of view of the different games, characters and Touhou as a whole. PassingStrike (talk) 17:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't think they're relevant to deserve it. A lot of the stuff is also just really bad or disgusting. Belone (talk) 19:22, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
The pages could be trimmed slightly, but I think there is some value in documenting this stuff. ☢ Quwanti 11:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Stub markings.

If you see a filled-out article, then it probably doesn't deserve the stub marking. Please remember to remove them at places they're not appropriate at, there's a lot of those.Belone (talk) 01:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Seihou summaries.

The character pages of Reimu, Marisa and Yuuka have summaries for their Seihou appearances, shouldn't these be treated as not canon? We also removed entries of the Inaba mangas. Belone (talk) 06:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Should we remove the online reader links on the manga articles?

Given the certain situation with pirated content being taken down, and this is pirated content, should we remove the links?

What situation are you talking about? — Niektory (talk) 11:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm not gonna name it, but a popular website that has been used to pirate Touhou content for years has recently removed all of the official Touhou content because of a DMCA claim by ZUN. Belone (talk) 11:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It's fine for the translation of CoLA, CiLR and the story in the CD's, but manga online reading articles should be probably removed for the safety reasons

Privetgator (talk) 19:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

    • Ok I'm not sure with entire books scanned and hosted here though Privetgator (talk) 19:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Regarding inactive wikis

So many wikis here are basically dead (zh for example), Many of them are no longer receiving any edits. Some of them even have unprotected main pages.

Combined with the loose autoconfirm policy here, I'm worried that they may be turned into breeding grounds for spam bots. And since Touhou Wiki comes out very top on search results (even dead wikis), this will ultimately harm our reputation.

So I propose that these wikis be archived: all pages go into full-protection, effectively freezing the wiki at its current stage. In the meantime, display a banner on top of the page stating that it's archived and you'd better go to the English version.

--From LilyWhite with love(Query me!) 14:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Visual editor.

How come this wiki doesn't have the visual editor? From my understanding, we are basically using the same software as Wikipedia, yet we only have the source editor. Belone (talk) 08:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

If you come across any Inaba of the Moon & Inaba of the Earth images being used on canon articles, please remove them.

We've long since decided that Inaba of the Moon content doesn't belong on these pages since it's a not a canon Touhou work, it's like if we included images of THLW on character pages. Belone (talk) 08:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

What about the character's appearance on Iom&Ioe? It's not canon so why include their appearance on the said print works? Chariz michi (talk) 11:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
I forgot about those, remove them too. Belone (talk) 11:26, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
I've removed the Iom&IoE print works on the characters I could find/locate. I might be missing some of them. Azure Empyrean (talk)
Task well done!

Chariz michi (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Wat. The canonicity of Tsuki to Chijou is not actually set in stone, and the given rationale is purely conjecture. It probably really is just meant to be a silly gag manga, but that's not even what's important here. What's actually important is that English speakers have such an unhealthy obsession with "canon" that they'll do things like... remove images? Why would you remove images simply because of the nature of the original comic? Images are simply meant to be, well, illustrative. There's all kinds of "non-canon" behavior in various "canon" images if you really want to go down that route.
I would like to point out here that this is the same community that insists the PC-98 games are somehow still Really Important, despite ZUN's endless remarks to the contrary. It's actually quite disturbing to see so many people twist such simple statements. I think you guys need to work on that far sooner than removing some harmless images. Despatche (talk) 02:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Then what do you want me to do? Undo my edits for the removal of the images to be returned then? If so then I'll be glad to do it then. Azure Empyrean (talk)
Because it's like if we had images of THLW on the character pages, both are officially licenced by Team Shanghai Alice but not canon. Do you also want us to add images from every fan-work ever licenced by TSA? Belone (talk) 07:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

"Touhou Gouyoku Ibun"

In light of the new English translation of 17.5, it now has an official English subtitle: "Sunken Fossil World." It would probably be best if we updated the homepage to display that, as now the article's name has been changed to Sunken Fossil World too. Crim (talk) 08:13, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Touhou Gensou Eclipse

So the mobile game is out by now. The question being, considering it's developed by CAVE Interactive and thus not a fangame, does it fit in spin-off instead? --ZEROGRAVITY-A01 (talk) 19:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

How is it not a fangame? A fangame is defined as any game which is not developed/written by ZUN. Spin-offs are the official "decimal" games. This meaning, games that are written by ZUN, (although in TASOFRO's case he gives a little freedom to the team to come with their ideas in some scenarios) named "Touhou X.Y" and as official and canon as the main games. Touhou Gensou Eclipse doesn't fall in this definition whatsoever. PassingStrike (talk) 23:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Honestly for me, fangame as a term for TGE feels iffy when you have a (former) arcade games developer which is a corporation and not a group of fans making a game in their spare time. But okay, we'll go with that.--ZEROGRAVITY-A01 (talk) 10:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I mean, that's how we've been categorizing other games such as Touhou LostWord & Touhou Cannonball. Like CAVE, Good Smile Company & Aniplex are corporations, not just Touhou fans.
I see where you're coming from, and theoretically we could change "fangames" to "unofficial games". But really, it feels like an unnecessary distinction to me (especially after all this time, and only for these three games). The whole point of the "fangames" section is to divide it from the official games. There's no real need to then divide that section up even further by way of "Group of X-number of employees or greater".Megaman-Omega (talk) 15:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh, wait. I think I have a better term that would fit those three exact games better: "licensed games". Can't believe that escaped my tongue for this long. --ZEROGRAVITY-A01 (talk) 18:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Am I really seeing multiple people refer to officially licensed commercial works as "fangames" simply because they don't want to draw lines between wildly different things?

Something like Mystical Chain is a fangame. It's just this cute little thing made by fans as a Comiket release. Technically speaking, the game was sold, but putting a small price tag on your game for the sake of manufacturing discs for a limited-time event is not at all the same thing as selling it through Steam.

Something like Touhou Gensou Eclipse is a licensed game. Like, it's being done in exactly the same way as a Star Wars game or whatever. There really isn't better language for this.

Then you have related games, and in fact there are two different kinds of these. Things like Seihou and Samidare could rightfully be called spinoffs; they don't really use the Touhou IP other than funny cameos, and can otherwise be directly linked back to ZUN or Touhou in some key way. Meanwhile, things like Lenen (as far as I know, anyway... though it could at least be called a Shi Seiryuujin Roku spinoff) or Ore no Animism are... I'm not even sure we have good terminology for these. Assholes would call them "ripoffs", but even ZUN will tell you just how much CAVE is in his games, or at least his old ones. Me, I call them touhoulikes, just like "diablolikes" or "soulslikes", and be done with it.

You even have things like D.N.A. and Tasogare Frontier, yet more "friends of ZUN" that may or may not be part of the Amusement Makers pantheon, and who keep making explicitly Touhou things (this is important). Everything they make that isn't one of the Tasofro fighting games exists on some weird line between spinoff and licensed game. None of those can rightfully be called fangames, and I'm not sure why that terminology is still being used for things like Gensou Mahjong etc. They're not fangames any more than something like Uwabami Breakers, which is clearly a spinoff.

There is a need for all this terminology because these are very different projects, by very different types of developers, developed and released for very different reasons. Despatche (talk) 12:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

"Am I really seeing multiple people refer to officially licensed commercial works as "fangames" simply because they don't want to draw lines between wildly different things?" Yes, and that's correct. If it's not made by ZUN or ZUN doesn't have a major role in making them, it's not made by him, but by fans. So they are fangames. I don't know what's wrong with that.
And yes, if the creators of those "fangames" buy a license from Team Shanghai Alice they are licensed games. They are still fangames, but they are licensed. You can have a game that is made by fans (so it can be called a fangame) with a Team Shanghai Alice license (so it can be called a licensed game). Both terms are not contradictory. Lost Word is a licensed game and it's not canon or a spin-off or anything more than a game created by fans that brought a license from ZUN, most probably to not have problems with their gacha mechanics. Yes, it's true that they are also called official games due to having a license from ZUN, but they have still no ground in the world ZUN created. However, spin-offs are, as I said, those "decimal" games that ZUN creates by himself or with the help of a team, for example TASOFRO. They are of course licensed games but, contrary to licensed fangames, the plot, the events, the characters, the mechanics or other parts of the game are chosen by ZUN (or ZUN has a strong influence in the decisions made about them), so they are also canon, which is a huge difference with those fangames that only brought a license because they needed it to do one thing or another. PassingStrike (talk) 17:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
This feels like an argument over semantics at this point. Like, what's even being argued here? Touhou games come in two categories, "Official Games" and "Derivative Works" (it even says "Derivative Works" on the sidebar). Games officially made by ZUN, and everything else. Now said derivative works can be further categorized into many different things (such as being grouped by genre, language, platform, sale price, circle or studio, etc) but we don't need a third page or something just to separate non-official games solely by how many people are working on it.
Frankly, the only argument I can see here is that the Fangames page could be renamed to something like "Derivative Games" or "Unofficial Games". But besides that, what is being asked to do here in the first place? Like, this whole discussion is about where to categorize a link to the Touhou Gensou Eclipse game when no one's even bothered to make a page for it yet. You can make a "licensed game" category in the fangame page if it'll make you happy, but the entire page is categorized by genre, and it would make more sense to list it as a Danmaku game, regardless of how big the company is that made it.Megaman-Omega (talk) 09:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

New Hifuu album should be added to the home page

ZUN recently announced a new Hifuu album, Taboo Japan Disentanglement in an article posted on Touhou Yomoyama News. This should probably be added to the home page. --Crim (talk) 02:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Done. PassingStrike (talk) 16:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)