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cross-promotion between wikis focused on Japanese makers?

Some examples can be seen at the main pages of AliceSoft Wiki, as well as the "Related Communities" module box in the sidebar, where wikis dedicated to TYPE-MOON, SNK, and other Japanese game makers are linked to. I would like to advocate similar footers be added to the bottom of the main page here (for TYPE-MOON and/or whichever ones the community here sees fit). To change what's in the Related Communities sidebar box (which all anon-visitors see), admins can edit MediaWiki:Monaco-related-communities. -Afker All hail AliceSoft! 05:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi all, since nobody else has commented on this topic, I'm going to be bold and experiment on the main page with the cross-promotion footer, and see how the feedback goes. Of course, if everyone hates it, it can/will be removed. -Afker All hail AliceSoft! 02:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Main page layout update

Hullo! I am Kirkburn, your friendly local Wikia Gaming Helper!

Hopefully you have read about the skin and ad changes at Wikia's New Style on Central Wikia. If not, I hope you'll have a look.

One of the changes is a block of two ads on each main page. It's possible that they won't always show up, but to ensure your main page continues to work properly when they do, you need to update your main page column formatting code with new column tags.

I have drafted a main page using the new tags on User:Kirkburn/Dev which I hope you can take a look at - feel free to make a copy and edit it. Though the layout may seem restrictive at first, there really is a fair amount you can do with them - for example see these customized main pages - Muppet Wiki, WoWWiki, FFXIclopedia. You may want to chat with your wiki community about what direction to take with a new main page.

If you encounter any problems with the new tags, please let us know.

My apologies for any inconvenience these changes bring.
Thank you for your time, Kirkburn (talk) 11:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I've switched to the updated layout! Enjoy. Kirkburn (talk) 13:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Uhm... and that... <insert vulgar word here> is supposed to be what? Not better than the old one at least... Arget, (talk) 16:05, 1 September 2008 (GMT +1)
This "updated layout" wants to make me rip my eyes out. I want the old one back, pronto. --ArseneLupin3 15:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
User:Rukaroa and I have made some tweaks to attempt make it look better. -Afker All hail AliceSoft! 18:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Fair change - it does fit by the intro paragraphs. Kirkburn (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I saw the Lyrics section put it's not place in the Main Page in the Wiki... I supposed i should put right? -Dandan550 15:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Duel of the Earthworms: 〜 vs ~

The links to game titles are edited on the main page like this; TH11 東方地霊殿 〜 Subterranean Animism. But look at [this page]. The letter between Japanese & English words is "~" (fullwidth tilde), not "〜" (wave dash). Normally Japanese people don't use or see a wave dash, because a Japanese version of keyboard don't have a key of wave dash, but fullwidth dash (shift+^). Is there any reason why wave dash is used there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masuo64 (talkcontribs) 19:07, September 16, 2008 (UTC)

The wave dash can't even be input on any kind of IME. I'm not sure where it came from, but whoever is using it needs to stop. Darkslime 23:37, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
for whatever reason, the jp.wikipedia uses wave dashes for all touhou games. eww eww eww. I'm tempted to change it, but that just sounds bad to do. Elm-39 - T/C 10:16, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Categorize this wiki

Touhou Wiki is still not categorized in wikia:c:gaming:Portal:Full Wiki List. We have 2120+ articles as of now, that would reward us an orange star. We just need to decide in which category Touhou should be. --TOUHOU-Miles 00:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

An orange star? Sign me up! Really, though, the Shooter category is best for Touhou. We'll be a little out of place among Doom and Halo, but then again, Pokemon is in the Fighting category, so whatever works is fine. glasnost0 01:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Action is probably the best place for Touhou, because even though most of the game are the shmups, there are also the fighting games. A happy medium, or something like that.NForza 08:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

World record link on front page

can we please get a link to world records under misc? 76.126.66.123 08:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

whether or not period mark is needed at the end of each title?

ZUN's manner is to put a period, or full stop, at the end of each title. And The current top page omits it. 東方Wiki or Japanese Wikipedia follows the former style while English Wikipedia follows the latter style. I don't think English manner is bad, but what is the criterion? We're spelling the name at the index name as ZUN spellt in PMiSS and setting memos, regardless of how in body text. It shows we're to spell as ZUN does, then why is the current top page is like that? --Masuo64 13:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I had it in my head that that had ended as of "Mountain of Faith," but I looked into it, and discovered that you're right. I just checked Zun's blog announcement for UFO, and even today, he still uses periods in his titles. Though, as far as I'm aware, the only actual title screen to use a period is that of "Immaterial and Missing Power." All others are bereft of periods, if I recall correctly (probably because of the style of the typefaces the titles are written in, I'd wager). If it were a personal call on my part, I'd say not to worry about a period (as opposed to, say, apostrophes or commas, whose placement I'd be far more worried about), and I'd even suggest against it, as in my opinion titles with periods look awkward and strange. However, I can't make that call. But I couldn't tell you which way to call it, either, as I don't know which way he'd say it's official. Can anyone provide more insight?--AceOfHeartsDX 02:19, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion that we add more categories

Each official title has its particular pages; for example, Story, Strategy, Character, Spell Card, which Wikipedia is likely to have but touhou wiki doesn't have. Now I want to suggest to you that we make new categories. The categories of my idea are like this:
1. Official works: Official Game, Offcial CD, Offcial Book.
2. Things about official works: Game Play, Story, Character, Music, Strategy, Miscellaneous. Perhaps it's needed to add Frame Data, Netplay to them.
3. Doujin works: Doujin Game, Doujin Book, Doujin CD. (But I suspect we have difficulty of making these categories because of the enormous number...)
These may be a little short, but we can make new categories except these. At least, the categories of official works are necessary, I believe. --Masuo64 12:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should add categories separating doujin circles that do manga from anthologies. That way, we could categorize which doujin circles participated in which anthologies. jpp8 19:53, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Adding the "ability" topic in characters.

I will add the Ability in all characters. Suggesting the ones who appeared very commonly and detailed by the fans. If anyone want to say about this idea please inform to me. Dandan550 14:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

P.S i will start first on Reimu Hakurei since she had the longest storyline histoy.

shld be fine, i'll edit if necessary..Wrathie 14:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Please add the characters appearances in printed works; in Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth appearance Mokou, Keine, Sakuya, Meirin, Alice, Wriggle, Rinnosuke, Akyu, Suwako, Aya and Reimu. And a little appearances of Nitori, Remilia, Patchouli, Flandre, Komachi and Mistya. Are importante the appearances in Strange and Bright Nature Deity, Eastern and Little Nature Deity, Cage in Lunatic Rungate, Silent Sinner in Blue, Memorizable Gensokyo, Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red and Curiosities of Lotus Asia.

Whoa~! I post soon. Taking huges time to think for. Dandan550 06:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Character name pronunciation

If anyone actually wants me to do this, I can. Although, TouhouWiki doesn't have a multi-listen item format. Someone add it. Drake 06:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Like this?


Wriggle Nightbug Name: リグル・ナイトバグ

Wriggle Nightbug
[ɹɪɡɫ ˈnaɪtˌbʌg]


Species: Youkai Insect
Abilities: Manipulation of insects
Age: Unknown
Occupation: Unknown
Location: Unknown, last seen roaming a typical forest path
Description:
  • Blue eyes, teal hair, bug-like antennae. Wears a white shirt with stylised short sleeves, a black cape (red on inner side), and knee-length blue baggy pants.
Relationships:
  • Unknown
Appearances:
Titles: See Character Titles
Does this meet your expectation? --Masuo64 07:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
In truth, almost no native English speakers can read that system lol... I notice drake uploaded a sound file, which could work, or we could make a small guide for pronouncing Japanese (just how to sound out the vowels should be enough) like the wiki system. Oreng3 09:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Using aquestalk, a TTS software, we can make an approximate sound like this. Do you suggest we upload such a sound file & make a link to it? --Masuo64 17:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I was actually just thinking of uploading voice clips from people who can actually speak instead of a program. I have 20 different names ready to put up, and more if possible. Wikipedia has a a bunch of functions that might work, but it doesn't look like Touhouwiki has any of these options. How would one go about putting them up? wikipedia:Audio_templates

(♫)

This will work I am amazing. ~Drake not logged in —Preceding undated comment added 00:41, April 17, 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, Drake. But, are you a native Japanese? From your pronunciation I guess you're non-native, because Your uploaded file has stress accent, while Japanese language has pitch accent. As a trial, what do you think about My uploaded file, Suika & Sanae? --Masuo64 13:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Aha, no, I'm not. I'm Canadian. Actually, I haven't even taken any classes. The only references I have for accents is neckbreak-pace stuff, which is hard to figure. It's like trying to learn a french accent from a Quebecois; doesn't work. I can see how mine and yours differ, though, which is definitely a plus. I just have a problem with the dullness in your voice, no offense~ Drake 18:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I've never realized my pronunciation is dull. But my pronunciation is unclear, and my environment might not fit to record, my ogg file hasn't enough quality. So, you might as well go ahead, Drake. --Masuo64 10:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Maybe we should use aquestalk, instead, like you suggested. Or, although I don't know if other people would like it, using the softalk ("yukkuri") voice might be amusing... Oreng3 04:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Softalk doesn't work, because softalk isn't able to make the sound with the high accent on the first syllable. Aquestalk had better be used. Well... Tomorrow or the day's after tomorrow afternoon, I'll record again my voice for many characters of Japanese, European, & Chinese names, taking attention for volume & pronunciation. (Will do at least Japanese pronunciation. My English pronunciation might be bad, but I'll record. If that's not OK... I'll think at the time.) If those recorded file aren't worth using, I'll prepare the sound file with aquestalk (Japanese pronunciation) for many characters of Japanese, European, & Chinese names. So, wwit a moment please... --Masuo64 16:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Added sound files of EoSD characters at first. What I must say is; thank you, Drake. My English pronunciation is much worse than what I expected... And particularly your French sound brighten Flandre with the echo of French sound. Very good quality. Next, I'll go to PCB's characters. But, sleepy now. Good night... --Masuo64 16:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers in the Wiki August 2009

Moved to Touhou Wiki talk:Copyrights

Spoilers in the Wiki September 2009

Because this issue is coming up (and understandably so) time and again, I propose that information, text, or pictures that one could only know from seeing an ending by beating a game should be removed and restricted as encountered.

So if info from a previous game's ending becomes available as it is mentioned in a future game's playthrough, it will become legit.

So that Suwako had Kappa helping her is dialogue from Sanae's Th12.3 Scenario that comes before beating it and seeing the ending, that info can be present.

But for people who are getting into Touhou, and because similar to Wikipedia, there are no spoiler tags here as far as I can see, but because visitors will come in the midst of playing through a Touhou game, it would be inconsiderate to have spoilers as described above.

I haven't had a chance to play through UFO yet, but from reading the tidbits here it's been spoiled for me. That's obviously not a big deal, but given the volume of visitors, particularly near a release date or after a release, a mass of spoilage, whether it be a picture or text conveying info only knowable from seeing an ending, should be given due consideration, and I believe, removed or restricted. I hope as with the romanization discussion that others will weigh in to either change or preserve whatever the current policy is. TheTrueBlue 16:14, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I was initially under the impression that ZUN had changed his policy regarding use of his materials. After the regular translators had another look at it it was apparent that ZUN in fact had not changed his policy since 2 years ago, thus I see no reason to change the consensus regarding spoilers we've allays adhered to.
A "Here be spoilers" on the main page however is something that escaped implementation for some reason, fixing it now.--Umhyuk 16:39, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
Or we can use spoiler warnings or hide spoilers somehow with code. We don't need to follow what Wikipedia does. My reading of ZUN's guideline certainly doesn't bar the discussion of ending material. _dk 22:25, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
By discussing do you mean posting about endings in forums? Or openly permitting text that reveals things only knowable if one were to see an ending to be inserted anywhere in articles here on Touhou wiki. The first is obviously true and permissible and widespread, the second might be troubling for reasons I previously posted.
Spoiler code is an excellent idea, and one that's widely implemented on countless forums. That would work beautifully.
Unfortunately I think one has to be an admin to add or remove code permissions? Unless Touhou wiki already had such a feature?
TheTrueBlue 22:58, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
The second point is what I'm talking about. Well, but if you agree with the spoiler code idea then I guess this issue is settled. We can have spoilers that can be seen only when highlighted like this. Or revealed on mouseover, whatever works. _dk 23:32, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the highlight option looks pretty good, just a standard "Spoiler: Spoiler goes here" .
Now everything that reveals something one could only see from beating a Touhou game and seeing an ending; that's further not revealed in a future game, will ideally have "Spoiler: Spoiler goes here". To protect the unwary. TheTrueBlue 00:07, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) I've made a simple template that makes hiding text easier, like this, invoked by {{hidetext|insert spoiler here}}. There also is a little-used template {{spoiler}} that makes this appear:

Spoiler Warning: Plot and/or ending details follow

Though I don't know how we can use this. _dk 00:57, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The spoiler code idea is good, but I wouldn't even consider "X is in Y's ending" to be a spoiler in the first place, unless Y was thought to be dead or something. --TheSinnerChrono 01:03, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
Well I think it can get tricky making those kinds of calls and proposed the above criteria - As long as it's something you'd have to see an ending to know. It can be considered a spoiler. So knowing that character A makes an appearance in character B's ending, being something only revealed when you see an ending, fits into this category. Of course this kind of info is less harmful than something spoilerific like RON MARRIES HERMONIE, but although it's for those kinds of possible disasters that I hope this system will come in handy, there are also lesser threats that it could help with. It couldn't hurt, simply having to highlight something. TheTrueBlue 01:09, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
It's kinda disturbing... like censored or so. Why do we had to censored about the extra ending since it's writed on the scripts. -Dandan550 02:02, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
I've sometimes wished I could remove black box censorship from tv shows just by highlighting it with my mouse. TheTrueBlue 02:07, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
Well, to get to extra in the first place, you have to beat the game. Since you can't know anything about the extra stages until you beat the main game first, those can technically be considered spoilers... I guess. jpp8 02:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that could be implemented too easily. Extra stages involve gameplay and not the picture+text format that Touhou endings have always been delivered as. Besides, who could play through a Touhou danmaku game and NOT at least beat extra. That's where the sexiest bosses always lie in wait. In any case, I would not be in support of blackboxing Extra stage material. TheTrueBlue 02:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
>Touhou fans should be able to at least be able to beat extra.
Well, there's the fact that a decent amount of the western fanbase already have trouble 1CCing Normal and not to mention the fact that there a noteworthy number of fans only in it for the doujinshi, music, etc. and have no intention of ever beating the games. But I digress. jpp8 02:33, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

So... What the hell do we do with Ruukoto? jpp8 15:59, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Is there something that should be done with Ruukoto? TheTrueBlue 17:03, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Touhou Wiki Policy on Adult Content

Dandan550 recently posted a "fun fact" with a link to Danbooru, a site with an abundance of adult content, including readily visible ads with adult themes from Jlist, etc.

http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kogasa_Tatara&diff=74134&oldid=73106

What is the policy of Touhou Wiki towards adult content or not safe for work content? TheTrueBlue 04:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Pretty sure it has too be work safe most of the time. Border-skirting is OK too, I guess, as a few of the album covers on the site are somewhat lewd. Reverie, 東方サマーバケーション, and 背徳姉妹 ~紅に染まる片翼~ being good examples of that. There are also a few of doujin circles with translated manga, such as 3-Chome, Sekitou, Luxia Continent, and MARCH, which have warnings for their content. I'm going to guess that as long as it doesn't completely ignore the existence of a border, then it's OK. Just a guess though. jpp8 04:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Even though the content of the picture is worksafe on danbooru, everything on it is not...it's because of the Ads, most of the time, are hentai games and has nudity or sex on those ads. Unless we do safebooru...I'll be replacing the danbooru links with safebooru on the canon article. If the pictures are less on safebooru, then I'll mark the links with danbooru which might be nsfw. MaronaPossessed 22:03, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Concerning whether GoM is spelt in katakana or alphabet

There's an edit of the top page to fix the title of "The Grimoire of Marisa" into "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ". Yes, this is a puzzling thing. Maybe everybody can't say at first which is original.
My conclusion is it's better in latin alphabet: The one reason is because there are "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ" just on the spine and "Grimoire of Marisa" or "The Grimore of Marisa" on the other parts (frontcover, backcover, pg.1, and pg.168). And the other reason is even if we coundn't help but see that the spine of book appears to be the essence, or what we see at the most time of all parts of book, because Amazon.jp, ja.wikipedia.org, and publisher's web site use it. --Masuo64 13:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

So Masuo64, you are proposing that the English title: "The Grimoire of Marisa" should currently be used, but that the katakana "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ" should not at all be used? Is that right? I just to make sure I understand what you wrote.
Well, it works either way I suppose, just seemed strange that with all the lovely Japanese titles on the left side of the main page in "Games" and "Print Works", that this one English-only title stuck out like an ugly sore thumb. But if neither Zun nor his partners in this project have officially granted a Japanese title to the work, then I suppose to add one otherwise would be reprehensible. TheTrueBlue 13:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Your understanding is right, TheTrueBlue. There are more proofs for using alphabet than katakana. And, indeed, as you write, it looks bad for the inconsistent line of titles due to the only one title name. But it looks a bit bad if we write it in katakana, since the other titles are 東方XXX like 東方香霖堂 and GoM doesn't follow the way of naming.
We can also say that ZUN doesn't care about non-Japanese environment and culture or that it might be the implicit explanation: pick up ZUN's works which don't follow the form "東方○○○ 〜 XXX" (○ is kanji, almost all are 3 letters except PMiSS. XXX is an English phrase). Probably they are seen as side stories or no main stories: Akyu's untouched Score series (the story is quite short and brief in it than in Hifuu Club's CD), Tsuki no Inaba to Chijou no Inaba (many settings contradict those of the shooting game), the Grimoire of Marisa (it hasn't story, setting text and conversation), and Hisoutensoku (ZUN said on twitter that this is a side story, ). Um, anyway, my opinion is we follow the way of "Grimoire of Marisa", not "グリ... マリサ" because ZUN spells it in such a way. --Masuo64 13:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Well my position will always be that whatever ZUN names it is what it will be named. If ZUN wants to call it "Marisa's Ultra Sexy Danmaku-Fest" then that will be its official English title regardless of what the Japanese title is. That doesn't mean editors here can't include as a side-note or alternate or literal rendition, the meaning of the Japanese, but that except for that tiny note, the designated English title should reign in all other respects. Similarly, if there is no English title, then there simply is none, and only a small side-comment detailing what the Japanese title means in English should exist. If that is the current situation then the aforementioned procedure is what I will advocate. TheTrueBlue 14:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

On De-Orphanizing Articles

Is there a way to find out or keep track of which articles are not linked to by many other articles (orphans) here on Touhou Wiki, which would benefit from additional internal linking? TheTrueBlue 19:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

This one just has the ones that have no pages linking to them at all. jpp8 19:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, it looks less extensive than I feared it might be. TheTrueBlue 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Heads up to other Translators

Is there a way to indicate that a translation is in progress on an article? I remember reading something of the sort, and because some of the translators here might work at the same time of the day, it'd be a disasterous waste of time if two translators browsing through the articles needing translation spent half an hour or more working on the same article. So if one could, at the beginning of work, save the page once with "Translation Currently in Progress, Date, Username" somewhere near the top, other translators would know to leave well enough alone. I'll be making use of this tag and I hope others do so when applicable as well. Happy Translating. TheTrueBlue 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Music Gallery

I'm thinking on a special link for the official music by ZUN, but I'm not quite sure how this will be arrange.

Well in this way... we can list the either list of fan-made arrangements by other music artist. But there could be problems right?

Example: Lunatic Eyes ~ Invisible Full Moon 狂気の瞳 ~ Invisible Full Moon

Zun's note:

Our note:

List of Arrangements (Official above by year and fan-made also by year)

However I realize this is going on but we need to put them in one place. Allowing us to place all fan-made arrangements. However I or anyone alone can't do this... ALONE. Since we could know that the Touhou fan-made music is flooded. So does how had time to do this might help in this Impossible Task. -Dandan550 11:09, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's the nice thing about a wiki, everyone can contribute. I think it would be best to sort the music by game, and then give each song it's own page, using something like the format you provided. I think it's a really good and useful idea, so I'd be willing to help categorize when I can. NForza 11:42, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
EoSD and IN already have these so it's just a matter of making them for the other games/official CDs. BTW, I really like this idea and I've been thinking of doing it for some time now, so... yeah. Let's do this then. Also, "List by Song" has some arrangements that aren't featured on albums. jpp8 16:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Kay, so I was thinking the format for the arrangements section should go something like:


"Circle Name (link to article if applicable; you'll make one" - "[Catalog No.](if applicable)" [["Album Name"]]


Yes or no? jpp8 17:25, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
...And then I realized I forgot about the arrangements not featured on albums. So then, when that is the case, how about we just put the circle name and a link to an mp3 of the song? jpp8 18:01, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, most of the songs don't really have enough to say about them to warrant their own articles. If the majority of the content would be listing arrangements, then why not just expand the current List by Song pages?
Regarding the song-specific articles for TH06 and TH08, I think it results in too little content being spread out far too much. As a comparison, we don't have separate pages for translating each individual stage of a game, but rather one article for all stages of a scenario. It keeps the number of articles reasonable, and keeps their lengths from being too short. --TheSinnerChrono 19:11, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
So, something like "Music from Imperishable Night: Stage 4" would have the articles for descriptions and arranges of 永夜の報い ~ Imperishable Night, 少女綺想曲 ~ Dream Battle, and 恋色マスタースパーク then? jpp8 19:52, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Still it will be a hard and time-tasking. Since there are so many songs. Also we should separate the ones who had lyrics as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandan550 (talkcontribs) 02:33, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
(Sorry for not replying sooner.)
Jigglyppuff8:
List by Song: Imperishable Night is the grouping that seems best to me. (That grouping is also used in the "<Game>: Music" articles.)
Since the List by Song articles are currently used specifically for download-only music, I'd like to suggest that if they're expanded beyond that, the songs could have "released via album" and "released via download" sections. That way, the download-only music can still have attention drawn to it.
Dandan550:
The List by Song pages have "(vocal)" beside the relevant links (example). Is that about what you had in mind, or would you want the vocal arrangements to be further distinguished? --TheSinnerChrono 15:13, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
So, should we do this for the original tracks on ZUN's Music CDs, the CDs included with the manga, Seihou, and その他の作品 ~ ZUN's Strange Works? jpp8 01:50, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Would anyone have objections to linking to abbreviated forms of some of the tracks names? I.E. "Candid Friend" vs. "Akutagawa Ryuunosuke's "Kappa" ~ Candid Friend ".
Also, is there some kind of way to collapse the arranges section? Because I can see that getting huge. I tried to do something like it, but I fail at wiki code apparently. !8RstuPId2Y 00:48, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
First thing first, I'm lazy to login... Second, about the collapseable wiki code, I also wanted to do but nowhere to be reference. I suspected that the collapsable maybe have to modify MediaWiki:common.css as in the official Wikipedia - KyoriAsh 05:33, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Rumor about TH13

This is obviously a 'fake'. Please don't add it to the main page... If you think it's real, try doing some research (in Japanese). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngrmile (talkcontribs) 08:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yes it's a fake, who go upload THAT THING to Youtube?
Reference Link (Chinese)
KyoriAsh 08:32, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

About the lang|ja| tag

I see these are on all games pages. But not on subpages (gameplay etc...). Is it worth the effort adding this tag for all the pages everywhere there is japanese text? --Dodoecchi 10:14, October 29, 2009 (UTC) (forgot sig)
And all other languages http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Touhou ^^ Lord Ice Dragon 22:34, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Depends. If the japanese language interferes with the english language(making the english text look weird, etc), then add it. If not, then don't worry. MaronaPossessed 01:36, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Navboxes

Am I the only one who thinks that these are largely useless? We already have the subordinate articles organized in the main articles, and the main articles are linked back from the subordinate articles, so at most, navboxes would save the whole one click it takes to go back a page, and larger navboxes that are collapsed by default wouldn't even accomplish that. For example, Dolls in Pseudo Paradise already links back to Music CDs, which links to all of the other pages covered by Template:Navbox ZUN Music (and some that it doesn't cover). What's the point? --TheSinnerChrono 22:46, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

British English vs. American English

Yeah, pretty much. So that everything is standardized and pages' texts aren't inconsistent, which one should be used? !8RstuPId2Y 04:27, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I suggest US English? Deathsoul4 07:58, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki linking

I'm working on getting all the interwiki pages linked together across all the existing Touhou wikis (at least those I've seen so far). Any help would be appreciated. Arekku 02:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Could you change the French wiki link please? Current link redirects to an abandonned wiki, true French wiki is here. Thanks --Fenfen 01:12, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll have to change the interwiki link for it. Arekku 03:17, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Also Simplified Chinese version: here. Thanks - KyoriAsh 09:54, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Added Reply: But I'm not responsible for Simplified Chinese version in Wikia. - KyoriAsh 10:01, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

I've put up my link change request for both wikis, just waiting for it to go though. Arekku 05:45, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Just a heads up, someone on the French Touhou wiki said that it's still active (see mainpage's edit history). I'll refrain from changing the French wiki links for the time being. Arekku 02:59, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, so you have to contact Wikia to change it. Sorry about that, I thought it would be as simple as editing a link. In fact, the wiki I linked to is not related to Wikia. French Touhou wikia is active but nobody's on it. Well, thank you anyway. - Fenfen 14:06, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

TH12.5 ダブルスポイラー ~ 東方文花帖 (Double Spoiler)

I dunno, man. Looks pretty fishy to me. But a second Shoot the Bullet WOULD be awesome. --Invaderhado 20:26, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

WAIT A MINUTE. It was on ZUN's blog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invaderhado (talkcontribs) 20:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
Yupp, right here: http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ Albeit, I do not want... Arget 21:27, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
um, can't we just format it like the other games (東方文花帖 ~ Double Spoiler)? it's not like soku here. 174.111.86.246 23:06, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
[sic]? Then again, there's the whole full stop argument... !8RstuPId2Y 23:10, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
It's formatted that way on ZUN's blog, I say keep it as is. Arekku 05:13, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
I understand that but it's amazingly misleading as is: "Double Spoiler" is put in parentheses beside... like UNL. "UNL" is some unofficial translation of the main title, "Double Spoiler" is the actual official subtitle. if you really want to stick to the format, replace the kana with "Double Spoiler" 174.111.86.246 00:48, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
"UNL" isn't on the front page though; it's "Touhou Hisoutensoku", the romanization of the first part of a fully Japanese title. So, I'm just going to keep hiding behind my [sic] argument like the coward I am. !8RstuPId2Y 01:03, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
oh god haha I never even noticed that. it USED to be up there. now I don't mind so much 174.111.86.246 19:42, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
Got a question about the release date, is March 14th exclusive to Reitaisai 7 (akin to UFO during Comiket 77) or will it be sold in regular stores/online shops on March 14th as well? --Petit89 06:16, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
Regulary, new works of ZUN are sold at shops, approximately one month after it has been released at the doujin event (Reitaisai or Comiket). Maybe this work is, too. --Masuo64 12:29, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lang tag battle

Grgspunk, I don't know what you're proposing, but some wordings like Japanese is better to stay native as different user will render with different fonts. Some of the Japanese already rendered in native language in certain article, why not this?- KyoriAsh 04:02, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia-wide Touhou file sharing

All of the Touhou wikis on Wikia can now load files from the English wiki. Just use the usual [[File:]] and [[Image:]] markup on the other wikis, and they'll load images and whatnot from here automatically. Just ensure that if you're working on the other Wikis that you upload new files here, that way all of the other wikis can use the file (like all of the Wikimedia sites). Thanks! Arekku 21:05, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

New lyrics

Hi, not sure if this is the right place to request, but the lyrics to the OP of Kinema Kan 2nd aren't there. The song is Fragments, a Necrofantasy arrange. Lyrics here: http://cn.last.fm/user/kadonoki/journal/2009/08/24/2ym8fh_narco+capo_-_フラグメンツ

Question about the policy on endings

Mainly if there isn't some way to reach a compromise on at least the scripts being posted. I ask since it's very well known how many fans don't bother playing the games and rely on doujins, some of which are prone to taking very many liberties with canon if not outright disregarding it. I was thinking perhaps just the text in a section that can't be easily stumbled upon.

Before one states "It's ZUN's wish", I do believe that was more in regards to posting videos of it (something I can agree with), not so much keeping it locked up. The endings Wikia filled this task before it ended up going down (under slightly suspicious circumstances) I only ask in the pure spirit of combating ignorance and bettering the fandom as a whole.--99.66.112.202 08:25, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

"Do not reproduce or reprint ending material, including the text." This has already been gone over several times. Check out Spoilers in the Wiki for more details. !8RstuPId2Y 16:08, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Are you going to tell me the reason why you folks follow that taboo isn't one of these: Guilt over how most of the western fanbase PIRATES the hell out of the series, Keeping the endings as some sort of elite thing for those with the skills and high end enough computers to play all the games, Support of said toxic fanon. The taboo has already been broken in a few places, such as youtube and lets play vids. Especially the endings Wikia before you guys whined and complained until it got taken down. --99.66.112.202 19:42, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
What the fanbase does, pirating or whatnot, is irrelevant to how this Wiki works. As a Wiki, normally we would post spoilers, except that ZUN's policy supposedly says otherwise.
Now, ZUN's terms of use, to my knowledge, is broken into two sections - use in derivative work/doujin, and use of snapshots on a webpage. However, I find his own terms of use ambiguous. The first section covers terms for derivative work, which a Wiki is not. [EDIT: "For the usual activities in doujin (uploading material on a homepage" might account for wikis.] The second section covers screenshots, but makes no mention of script. Unless I'm missing something, there seems to be no explicit rule against posting ending scripts for the sake of a Wiki. I can only propose two possible remedies - either email ZUN for clarification ("just ask me and I'll respond"), or follow the example of the Japanese wiki. - Kiefmaster99 00:47, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

東方Project 第12.8弾 「妖精大戦争 ~ 東方三月精」Announced

More in: [1] [2]

Just made the foreign wiki article stubs. If anyone speaks ja/es/ru/pt/fr/de, please complete these. Momiji 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Can we add a page for colonel_aki's Life of Maid 4komas?

If anyone doesn't know about it, colonel_aki's Life of Maid is a 4koma series that centers the daily lives of the SDM residence. The 4koma series is very enjoyable and its highly amusing. colonel_aki combines a cute art style with very witty humor and it does not require any understanding of the Japanese language since there's no actual spoken dialogue but the characters acts out the scenes very well and the readers can get the idea of the jokes in the comics. The series also uses some of the fannon stuff in the Touhou series, like Yuyuko being a glutton and Patchouli being an otaku.

The 4komas can be seen here: http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/678
AmethystViper 01:23, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Comics - Kiefmaster99 02:27, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Music section on the front page

It's severely outdated. I vote we change it. Darkslime 16:39, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

What changes do you have in mind? - Kiefmaster99 18:35, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
I guess he means adding more official soundtracks or the music template is out of date. Currently, I'm working on adding the japanese into the story page of Celestial Wizardry~Magical Astronomy. Once I get that done, I'll see if I can understand that new template and replace that template. Last time I tried adding the new template, it looked screwy to me.MaronaPossessed 20:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
I meant more that it's out of date. It shouldn't be too hard to give the "Other Music" page the attention it deserves - i.e. removing the "Other" from the name and giving a general rundown of what Touhou music exists - and then instead of linking to specific albums on the front page, we can link there, or something. Darkslime 19:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, so I made the Music CDs page better. Any ideas on what to do on the front page? Darkslime 19:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Links back to main page

I'm confused on the standard of linking back to the main page. Most of the important pages seem to have a link back at the top and bottom. Should all pages have this? Also, is it necessary when one can click their back button, or simply click on the Alice icon to get back to the main page? Darkslime 19:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


A Large Task for Others

Sure I'm somewhat "new" here, but anyways, here's a task that I believe we could do. Adding these templates (such as Navbox templates) to each and every page that should have them. For instance, Soku's pages don't have the Soku Navbox template on all pages yet, compared to say SWR and earlier games. I'll probably work on this myself, but any help on it would be greatly appreciated~ Xenomic 05:50, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I've been making the game navboxes, but when I got to Hisoutensoku it got to be a little ridiculous to put the navbox on every single page, so yeah, help would be appreciated >_< Darkslime 14:15, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Spell Card compilation

Would it be okay if I compiled all known Spell Cards (arranged by character) into one big list? I've been thinking about doing this for a while now, and I have seen this been done in Japanese before (see here or here. This may or may not involve putting a link to spell cards either the Main page or each character page, and linking to the game-specific spell card pages. I'm thinking that compiling all known spell cards by each character across each game would provide useful. - Kiefmaster99 02:37, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

I see no possible objections against this (aside from the massive amount of effort it would take). If you can do it, by all means, go ahead. 68.84.74.52 02:55, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, free time is not something I have much of right now actually. I might get to it eventually. Might. - Kiefmaster99 03:48, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wish List

So, this might be either a very stupid suggestion or something that many of you may have been thinking. Why don't we create a page for a wishlist? For the next Touhou Project Game that'll be released, we can write in stuff that we want it to be included in the next game. Deathsoul4 08:01, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Kind of stupid in my opinion. But hey...my first wish would be to see Mima again :P MaronaPossessed 15:20, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
And give the impression that this wiki have any say in what ZUN's next project is? No. Put it on a message board or something instead.--Umhyuk 17:56, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, well my thought was just to make some page where we can see what everyone wants in the next TH, but w/e it seems to be out of the question. Suggestion dismissed. Deathsoul4 22:58, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and btw I'd also like to see Mima in another game too XD Deathsoul4 22:59, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oh hey the icon changed

Instead of the "W" icon we see, we see the P block icon :D MaronaPossessed 18:45, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm? I don't see the P block icon D: guess it's just me. Deathsoul4 23:32, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

This new look it's...it's...

Terrible! GAAAAH!!! It confuses me because I always check the activity feed on the left>_< and I can't check the history of the article!MaronaPossessed 16:37, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oh thank goodness...at least wikia isn't an ass like YouTube, forcing changes on the user. Anyways for those who hate the new look, go to your User then preference settings, then set the skin to monaco. It's the original look. MaronaPossessed 16:44, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Monobook is more better, I guess....
If Vector is available, that's the best - KyoriAsh 17:38, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
Apparently the old skin will only be available until November 3rd, then everyone will be forced to switch to the new one. Y'all better be ready for this. Master Bigode 20:08, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
There is too much negative feedback, not only here. I hope they still may think better of it. WGH, 09:26, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
Too bad =/ and the new look doesn't seem to allow me to access some information. For instance I can't look at "Newly Changed" from the drop-down menu of "Top Content". Is anyone having the same problems with me? Deathsoul4 23:36, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Same here. Try clicking on "Wiki Activity" instead, it works pretty much the same as the old new changes page. Master Bigode 00:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
I can't even look at the full log of history...because the drop down menu appears when i hover over that link...and yeah same problems as you X_X this stinks...MaronaPossessed 00:02, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
One thing I like about the new form is its color, ehehehehe (maybe I'm too used to using the old form). Anyways, thx for the feedback. Deathsoul4 07:55, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
Someone should just host an actual Wiki for this instead of using Wikia. We're almost at 6,000 articles - I think this is a popular enough site for it. Darkslime 16:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the notion of making Touhou an actual Wiki. We're getting larger, and it's not so nice to depend on the Wikia team. If I can help out in anyway in the moving process, I will. What are the admins' opinions about this?
As for the new look, it's stylish, but the fixed width is just not easy on the eyes nor convenient, especially for wide-screen users.
Repeat after me: There is only one and will always be only one admin on Touhou Wiki. Having a separate wiki sounds silly anyway. What are the benefits? 68.84.74.52 20:35, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
Cool down, dude. I came to this community to know more about Touhou, didn't pay too much attention to people who actually maintain the site. As for the reason, I don't agree with relying on Wikia host since their recent move are much too dramatic and business (*look at the visible features associated with new skin*). Wiki should be simple and content-focusing. Plus Touhou deserves its own wiki. But it's just an opinion, I understand things are not so simple or easy to make on a whim. Rantuyetmai 20:50, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
It's not like it's impossible to move THWiki to being an independent wiki, you know. Why not check out what the guys at NIWA are doing? 99.19.92.66 22:43, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
WTF is NIWA? --WGH, 17:52, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
NIWA is an alliance of independent wikis which work to maintain their own independence from wiki farms, as well as to get other wikis independent from them. Already the pre-eminent Pikmin wikis have migrated to independence from Wikia, and the StarFox wiki is planning a merger with the NIWA-affiliated Lylat Wiki. 99.19.92.66 08:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
So you're saying instead of making a new wiki for Touhou we can split THwiki from wikia and make it into an independent wiki? Sounds like a good idea. Better than having two separate Wikis serving the same purpose (like Diablo II Wiki lol)
Anyways, the consensus seems to be inclining towards favoring an independent TH wiki. Is there anyone who still supports THwiki remaining under Wikia? Deathsoul4 22:54, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
I don't support it myself o-oMaronaPossessed 23:49, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
I personally think it would be a change for the better, but I have no problem if we stay at wikia. Master Bigode 00:52, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
I'd be in favor of helping you guys to move to be an independent wiki. At the risk of sounding like I'm just a bland advertiser, I'd like to also point you guys to NIWA, or at least to some of the heads over at Bulbagarden, who were among the NIWA founders. --Darkeiya | talk to me! 00:47, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
I am somewhat indifferent. My main problem with the new look is that the width is compressed - infoboxes begin to interfere with reading the text, and the overall width compression makes it more difficult to read. I would also have to reformat some of the pages that I look after.
If Wikia decides to remove the old skin for good/fail to address my problems with the new skin, then I am more inclined to support a split. On the other end however, this would have to be a complete move - the old site would have to be removed and become a redirect. Otherwise we'd end up with a divergence of contributors, and a predicament similar to having two SWR wikis.
If I remember correctly, the move to Wikia was initially made to get the wiki off of the Poosh server, possibly due to bandwidth issues (I don't remember). I am unsure if the admin would be willing to (re)host. In any case, talk to him about it before taking any action. - Kiefmaster99 14:24, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

They changed the new look. All there is left is monobook, so if you don't like the new look, monobook is left. MaronaPossessed 20:08, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm is there a way to add 'custom' skins to the preferences in this area? Or is it just Wikia only? MaronaPossessed 20:16, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
No, admins can change the default background, colors, etc but not the layout. Master Bigode 21:11, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

This wiki could use a serious restructuring anyway, so a move would only be helpful in that regard. Maybe someone can contact the admin about possibly hosting this wiki on a different server(not good with these things). Darkslime 21:03, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I change my vote...a move would be lovely.MaronaPossessed 00:15, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

A friend of mine and I are in the process of setting up a Mediawiki site for a potential Touhou Wiki move. We already have the domain name registered and Mediawiki partially configured. I won't post the URL quite yet, since it's still undergoing lots of work, but I will once we feel satisfied with the progress. Anyway, I was wondering how the admins here would feel about utilizing it for a wiki move? Momiji 07:31, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

You mean the admin. You should leave a message at Pooshlmer's talk page, otherwise he might not see your proposal. Master Bigode 11:14, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
What kind of hosting do you have? Pooshlmer 19:16, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
Right now it's an Ubuntu VPS w\ 384MB of RAM and hardware/bandwidth that's expandable depending on the Wiki's useage, and a dedicated server if it really becomes a problem. Also, we're using Mediawiki 1.17alpha. Momiji 20:54, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
That is probably not enough. Are you prepared to pay/raise the $50-$100 per month it will cost to run this? Pooshlmer 22:32, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
Yes. Momiji 22:51, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
Do you know of a good way to dump the images? Pooshlmer 00:27, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
Wikix. Master Bigode 01:02, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
So if we're going to go through with a move, will the topics (especially the ones with external links) be copied and pasted without problems? Will the site itself at least resemble the older, uncluttered layout? Will you guys announce that you're moving and provide a new link on the front page? Grgspunk 07:45, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
We will move by uploading the database dump to the new server, so all of our articles will be available in the new server along with all of their content. As for the look, all of MediaWiki's default skins will be available. Master Bigode 12:40, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
Will the new THWiki's default skin follow the Wikpedia skin? (Vector Skin) - KyoriAsh 13:22, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, we're definitely using Vector right now. As for dumping images or SQL tables, I'm not really sure of an easy way to do it. That Wikix utility looks like it needs some sort've source of image data, but if it can be used with Wikia that'd be great. If we can get a SQL dump it would help tremendously (and I'd avoid having to manually copy each article and image over one-by-one). Momiji 17:35, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
One more thing, we've been working to get Mediawiki configured for multilanguage support, so I may be able to transfer the other Touhou wikis on Wikia as well (like here, here, or here). Momiji 17:41, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
Good luck to you Momiji and others working on this. You guys will be a great bit help^^ MaronaPossessed 18:07, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
Awesome, so the plan's in motion now. May the whole thing go successfully. Good luck! Deathsoul4 22:16, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
Wikia should allow you to dump the database. See Special:Statistics. I haven't bothered to extract the zip, but it should be an XML database dump. If by source of image data you mean the filenames, try Special:ListFiles if the XML isn't enough. Should be possible to have a crawler get all that data. -- Qazmlpok 18:52, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
Special:Export. 99.19.92.66 06:31, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, I'm now looking at this arguments on first time. I don't object to tbe suggstion positively. But the issue in my heart the most is... Pooshlmer, I think you would be the best contributor in the sense that it seems you've been involved in this wiki the longest of all editors of this site. Do you think it's OK to move Touhou Wiki in another address? I feel like we should confirm the administrator's OK before search for new address, and you've never say yes. What do you think of it? --masuo64 Talk 11:00, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
So far, he has given implicit approval (asking for what type of hosting and whether they're prepared to pay $100/mo).
Another question - (when) should we put on the front page that we are currently in the process of moving? Perhaps we should send a message to all contributors just so that they are aware of this. As well, after what date can we expect to not see edits made to this wiki be carried over to the next? - Kiefmaster99 04:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC)