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Album Summaries

I've been looking through the album pages a lot, finding lyrics and stuff like that, and I've been thinking about the little summaries at the top of the page. I think they could be improved...!
So, the current wording is as follows:
"[Album title] is a music album by [circle] released on [date + event]. It is a vocal album featuring arrangements from [games]"
It looks fine on the surface, but there are a couple of things about it that feel a bit unnatural, especially the second sentence:
-"Music album." The 'music' in 'music album' feels a bit redundant, and I personally feel that 'album' is more widely used than 'music album.'
-"It is a vocal album." This doesn't stick out that much, but I think it would sound smoother if rewritten as 'It features vocal arrangements...' I also think it would lead to better balance between the two sentences.
-"arrangements from [games]." Again, this looks like it makes sense, but it actually doesn't. As it is currently, the phrase implies that the arrangements themselves appear in the games, which they generally don't. This would be clearer if rewritten as 'arrangements of themes from [games]'
So, with that in mind, I'd like to propose a new template with some minor changes:
"[Album title] is an album by [circle] released on [date + event]. It features vocal [and/or instrumental where necessary] arrangements of themes from [games]" This also would allow for greater consistency, as the template accommodates albums with arrangements of themes from a single game or multiple games.
It would be a big ask to suggest going through and changing all of the past pages, but I'd like to propose that this be made the standard for future pages. Does anyone have any thoughts/feedback? Biggest Dreamer (talk) 10:55, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Thinking back to when I started editing not too long ago I also thought the wording was unnatural but went along with it anyways, looking at your suggestions I have to agree that there is room for improvement. To talk about the logistics of your proposal, the summaries are composed of the template generated first sentence using the filled out template fields while the second and so on sentences are entirely user editor generated. This miss-match of editor formatting and template auto formatting is why the sentences sound so unnatural together. As far as changing that, the first sentence can be changed across all albums instantly since it's part of the template and not the "description" field, where as the second sentence would have to be changed manually. Changing the second sentence can be done in an orderly fashion if a handful of editors decided to truly offer their time (I'm a given of course).
Now to talk about the specific proposals I think we should use "Doujin album" since I agree that "Music album" is redundant but also think that "album" is too bare. I was put off by the proposed second sentence at first but it's without a doubt more accurate than the original so I have no reason not to change it. My only concern is about it's flexibility since the editor doesn't have much access to the first sentence, but I've been wanting to experiment with adding a field that removed the first sentence entirely while retaining to appropriate categories for cases where you need more control. I'll probably experiment with adding another field for "Original" albums while I'm at it since groups like BUTAOTOME (who's page I look to as the standard) have non-Touhou albums with pages that show up in the Arrangement CDs category, this issue could also be fixed at the same time.
The "MusicArticle" template is above my user level to edit and it is kind of a big change to make with only 2 users input anyways so please chime in if you're reading this and make you opinion known. Ycdtosa (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I generally agree with your proposal, especially the second sentence changing "arrangements from [games]" to "arrangements of themes from [games]"; the former has always felt weird to me. (Also, I personally think just "album" is fine over "music album" or "doujin album".) Tsuukasa5 (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback on my idea! If 'album' by itself is too bare, I agree that 'doujin album' is an acceptable substitute for 'music album.' If more people end up providing feedback on the second sentence, I'm also happy to take the time to update a couple of circles. Biggest Dreamer (talk) 10:33, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Okay so here are some test cases of the proposed new format in action, Fragile Sacrifice, BLUE NOTE 東方 Vol.1 & Monologue~魔法が解けるその前に~. It's really not a huge change but since I plan to go around changing all the albums over to this format I want to be sure it's the best format we can come up with, anyone have any more input?
I also went ahead and looked up some stuff to try and fix some issues I would normally run into while editing, here's a slightly modified version of the MusicArticle template I used for the 3 pages that fixed some issues I would have run into with the normal template. I'll quickly outline the changes and on what pages you can see them in effect.
- fixed the issue of broken code showing up at the bottom of the page if the "groupCat" field is left empty, Fragile Sacrifice makes use of this.
- added "no_intro" parameter so the pages begins with the "description", BLUE NOTE 東方 Vol.1 makes use of this.
- added "banner_res" parameter for custom banner sizes, option to enter "Original CDs" into the "musictype" parameter for various changes and fixed the issue that albums with only the Japanese title had. Monologue~魔法が解けるその前に~ makes use of all these.
- plus some other minor changes/clean up
I'm not a native speaker, so take my style advices with a grain of salt :). I, however, agree about the second sentence completely. Your version is better.
As of the first sentence, I might be the one who wrote that part of the template a long time ago. On the second thought, "music album" does sound a bit redundant in English. "Doujin album" is better. I'd avoid capitalizing word "doujin" like it's done above, though. "Album" sounds ok, but I'd rather not omit "doujin" if reader is not familiar with doujin music phenomenon (the omission is also a problem with existing articles).
Speaking of mass page editing, I've done something similar with AutoWikibot, which can save a lot of time. I may be able to help this time, too. Using special bot account can also prevent RecentChanges from being cluttered when doing so. --WGH (talk) 14:01, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Eh. I just don't see "music album" as particularly redundant, given that you can have albums that aren't "music" albums. Such as "drama" albums, though they're not as common in Touhou. Still, the distinction should remain for that purpose. Honestly, I think it's addressing a problem that I don't think exists. But anyway, if anything I would like to include "doujin" or "official" in "music album" in the header, depending if it is an official release by ZUN or Tasofro. So an example page would read "[Album Title] is a doujin/official music album by [Circle]. It features vocal and instrumental arrangements of themes from [Game Titles]."
Anyway, back to my first point, it seems as if Monologue~魔法が解けるその前に~ might fit the bill for a drama album, and as such might be titled [Album Title] is an original drama doujin album by [Circle]. UTW 10:39, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
It seems like to me that "doujin album" and even "music album" are a little too verbose. I think "album" fits the bill a little better, and it keeps the formula a little more standardized with other websites. Code Slasher (talk) 01:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
@WGH I've un-capitalized doujin as you suggested, that was a mistake on my part because I was under the impression it was proper noun. That doesn't seem to be the case so thank you for correcting that. There seem to be universal consensus about the second sentence so if you would be able to use a bot to make the change that would be great, from there we would only have to go through the album pages looking for any that might have fallen through the cracks.
@UTW The change you requested for official albums has been added to the test template, Monologue~魔法が解けるその前に~ is in the same format as kimino-museum's other original works and would be better described as a rock opera/concept album. But with the addition of the "no_intro" parameter non-standard albums can all be defined in the first sentence. I don't mind going with just "album" but I feel it's a wasted opportunity since nowhere is doujin even mentioned on any of the album pages, as WGH pointed out, that omission is a problem and including a link in the first sentence would fix it across all concerned pages.
@Code Slasher Wikipedia uses the term "studio album" which is where I got the idea to use "doujin album" for this wiki, I'm curious what other sites you're are referring to with regards to standardizing.
I don't have the user rights to edit Template:MusicArticle so another user will have to implement the appropriate template changes. I'll make a post on it's talk page with a full change log since many of them are separate issues from the album summary, before that I'd like to get the "album"/"doujin album" thing sorted first, as for me I feel it's important to include doujin and that music album is redundant but it's not my call to make alone. Ycdtosa (talk) 12:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
I'll get to writing bot plugin later this week, I hope. --WGH (talk) 17:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
At this point everything has been updated more or less, I sipped over some circles pages which who were too outdated (sine they needed allot of work anyways) but all the major circles and maintained pages have been updated. Ycdtosa (talk) 06:35, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

All-at-once Sprites on Tabs suggestion

Right now we're using only last official sprite for characters pages, so this solution has come to my mind. Test example here ru:Участник:Unknwn/Черновик. Comparisons this way is more fun, but maybe there are some restrictions, for example I don't know is there a way to load last tab, and not the first. --Unknwn (talk) 20:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I know I have seen this sort of thing before somewhere.... There should be a way to make it load the last tab. The only thing is that with the way you have it set up, it messes with the browser's history, i.e. it makes it harder to go back or forward pages. Code Slasher (talk) 02:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
This thing was used alot at Homestuck wikia. --Unknwn (talk) 12:39, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Another example with lots of Reimu sprites. For now I don't know what to do with subpages mess, maybe there is some way with templates, but I can't use things like {{PAGENAME}} properly at user space. I also wanted to wrap all the Windows tabs into two strings, but hadn't find how so I splitted it to 3 subtabs by "generations", it works this way, but looks overcomplicated. --Unknwn (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Antique Game Music

Can someone confirm/add this? Seems like a recently discovered page in the old ZUN's website that is uncovered by this wiki. Sorry for the bother if the discusion shouldn't be hereVirus bass (talk) 17:58, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

This one may be interesting too: Eighter (talk) 08:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
It's not really news, but it might be something the old timers in the fandom might remember more. Interest in PC98 music (and making of such) seems to have grown a bit lately, which is nice. Mamizou (talk) 09:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

General category page issues and changes to doujin circle categories

New pages and files don't appear on category pages at the moment (Comiket 90 for example). I also want to question the use of English translations/romanizations for the doujin circle categories, is it acceptable to just use their Japanese name in situations where there is no official translation? Ycdtosa (talk) 16:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

At a guess, the job queue is not being processed for some reason - 12201 jobs outstanding in the queue at the moment, which I'd normally expect to be close to zero. Needs an administrator to give it a look. -- Mazian (talk) 19:14, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Job queue is clearing out and should stay up to date from now on; thanks for the notification. Mamizou (talk) 20:21, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
It's been 4 days since the job queue began working again and while some category pages have been updated properly others are now worse off than before. For example almost every page in the Conventions Category is blank while other categories like Doujin Circle/Arrangement Category are now missing a number of pages. Is this just an issue with the system updating the categories slowly or is something else wrong? Ycdtosa (talk) 12:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Argh, the cron job wasn't actually running. Re-clearing the queue again; it should run on it's own from now on. Mamizou (talk) 02:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
The issue persists but I really don't know the solution. I recently added a bunch of images to a category and they all appeared in the category just fine (see here), but the problem remains that the actual album pages have not appeared (despite being tagged well before the images). I really don't have a good guess but if I had to give one anyways I think it might be a problem with categories done through templates as apposed to being tagged directly on the page (IE putting [[category:such&such]] on the page itself). Ycdtosa (talk) 03:35, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Expansion depth limit exceeded on multiple pages

So, i wanted to check up Double_Dealing_Character/Music for a tidbit of info, because that's what wikis are for; and i found out, to my horror, that the page was all broken. It also affect other pages, but curiously, some are still okay for me. MapleTree (talk) 21:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

As mentioned above, the Job Queue's been processed through; those pages should be fine now. Mamizou (talk) 00:00, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Confirmation: Now everything looks back to normal. MapleTree (talk) 09:15, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Spell Cards and Abilities

On the abilities roster of Reimu, Marisa, Sanae and Reisen the abilities that they use in Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom are not included in the roster or at least they don't show in the game titles 'LoLK' as a game the abilities are used in.

Done MapleTree (talk) 21:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Spell Card screenshots

Some of the hard and lunatic spellcard screenshots in Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom are still missing. People that don't have the game may wanna look them up here.

Honestly, i was expecting to take it easy and leave other to do it, but i guess i'll fill the pages like i did with Fairy Wars and a share of fangames. I hope to do it in the next days. MapleTree (talk) 21:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Update: Done. Actually, i finished uploading yesterday, but i was waiting for the pages to update with the new images. Image uploading tends to do things like that. MapleTree (talk) 17:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Expansion depth limit exceeded

To all Touhouwiki users, please notice that don't try to insert TOO MANY templates into character's page as mediawiki can't handle more than 40 levels of nested template, as stated in this Wikipedia page, thanks. Character page's format need to revise - KyoriAsh (talk) 15:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Could at least move those banners “This character page is a member of project characters” to the talk pages of respective articles. That is how banners like these are being handled in English Wikipedia and I do not see the point of showing them to readers. Person who reads article do not care about this stuff, while any relevant things for wiki editors are placed on talk pages anyway. --Coyc (talk) 01:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
While I have seen other wikis put banners like these on main article pages, this does seem like a good option to me. Code Slasher (talk) 05:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think this is an actual problem with expansion depth, if it was than I don't think purging the cache would fix the problem as the expansion depth would sill exceed the 40 levels limit regardless. I believe the problem arose from the job queue being tidied up as discussed in another topic above. Ycdtosa (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

EoSD Spellcards

The EoSD spellcard menu shows the spellcards on the hardest difficulty but i want to see the difference between hard/lunatic and easy/normal but easy and hard are mostly not present —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymario Pokénic (talkcontribs) 9:20, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, due to the nature of the game itself, We're unable to provide the spell card in all difficulties, however I'm planning to revamp the whole spell card template to make it more *variable* to the differences. - KyoriAsh (talk) 14:53, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Mokou's skills?

Doesn't Mokou have skills in Urban Legend in Limbo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymario Pokénic (talkcontribs) 10:21, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I could gather, it does not look like she has any more significant abilities other than setting herself on fire, but that probably is not important to mention. Also:
When you make a comment on a talk page, could you please add ~~~~ to the end of your posts so that you can sign it?
Why did you make a section about it here instead of on her talk page?
Thank you. Code Slasher (talk) 21:22, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Mima's Theme

魔法鐘愛 was literally translated into Love of Magical Chimes, until THBWiki translator reminded that our English translation of Love of Magical Chimes is totally wrong, because according to Chinese and Japanese, 鐘愛 is a word, and by translation means, it should be refer to this wording: 魔法 鐘愛 instead of 魔法 鐘 愛. I hope anyone can come out with a better translation as Love of Magical Chimes was wrong as the wording doesn't contains any chimes meaning. KyoriAsh (talk) 12:33, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Well, this is the short theme before you fight Yumemi, not Mima's theme. Anyways, this is kind of a silly case. It isn't that 鐘愛 is a word, but that 鍾愛 is a word. However, both 鐘 and 鍾 are simplified in Chinese to 钟. I don't know whether they are actually conflated in practice (in either Japanese or Chinese), but yeah it's pretty clear this is what is meant regardless, and is how it is interpreted on nicopedia at the very least. A more correct title would then be something like "Adoration of Magic" or "Devotion to Magic". It is obviously referring to Yumemi's intense obsession over proving magic exists. Drake Irving (talk) 12:10, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Tagging untranslated links?

Random suggestion - could the site be configured to automatically add an [Untranslated] tag after any link pointing to a page that's in Category:Untranslated? Something like this extension. On pages that are likely to have a mix of translated and untranslated links (e.g. Strange Creators of Outer World) it would make it easier for average readers to see which pages have content, and for translators to see which pages need attention. Worst case scenario right now, someone could click on an untranslated link or two, find nothing, and assume that none of the links on that page are translated. --Prime32 (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thoughts on MusicArticle and Circle template changes

There are a couple things I've realized would be useful for the MusicArticle template and the Circle template so I figured I would list my thoughts and also ask if anyone else has any ideas.

  • MusicArticle template ideas
    • A parameter for replacing the word "album" in the first auto generated sentence before the "description" parameter with whatever you want, mini-album, voice drama, DVD, etc.
    • An override for the headers of each credit parameter if you begin with a semi colon, credits don't always fit neatly into the fields so being able to name them is useful.
    • User:Unknwn said to me once that fitting the track credits into a template would be useful for other language wikis. In reality it wouldn't be too hard to extend the Track template to include the standard credits, Arranger, Lyrics, Vocals, Other, along with the original title etc. At that point you could also have the first sentence (It features vocal and instrumental arrangements of...) be auto generated if you wanted. I think at that point it becomes allot of work though, so I really don't want to even try unless it would actually help other language wikis.
    • Using tables to give the option of splitting the credits into two or more columns like on palette~人々が愛した幻想郷~ or Groove into the Night.
    • Option of text bellow album covers to mention who the character on it is/whatever else might be useful there.
  • Circle template ideas
    • Wikipedia lists "Associated acts" and I think we should find somewhere to list associated circles since there are circles who might often play live together, or regularly split booths at conventions, or appear on the same collaboration works, but rarely actually collaborate on albums. Not to mention it would be useful for the circles who do regularly appear on each other's albums, it can already be done using the description permitted but I wanted to bring it up since maybe there's somewhere nicer to put it, like an infobox or something.
    • Additional discography sections and greater control over the main discography section, it shouldn't be so hard for editors to add additional discographies. I've seen other's try to do it and while it's not hard if you already know how the circle template works it really should be a feature in the first place. Also the discography section as it is now needs to be updated in some way, currently it only accounts for 99 albums, TAMUSIC has 98 on their page right now. The template could be updated to account for more albums, or we could just make it limitless, I actually don't know why it was capped in the first place since looking at the wikimark up it would be easier to just have it be limitless. You would have allot more freedom to add headers and text to the discography sections if it was formatted differently so it makes no sense to my why it's like this in the first place...
  • Circle name template for Japanese names
    • So basically this is a step up from the hover text templates we have been using for names on music pages recently, it's first function would be like a regular name template so that if the circle's official English name changed it could be updated everywhere at once. We can also use it to updated a category across a number of pages if we also use it to tag files, it would basically give editors allot more confidence to build up categories knowing that it wouldn't actually be so hard to update it if the circle announces an official English name or if the editor is uncertain of how their name should be romanticized.

Those are the ideas I've had so far, I will eventually start messing around with the templates so feel free to give any comments or criticisms of the changes I'm thinking of making, and of course any ideas you might have yourself. Ycdtosa (talk) 07:32, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

The music themes section of character info boxes

Currently, in the character info boxes, the music themes are written out in Japanese, with mouseover text displaying the English title. For character titles, this is the other way around, and I want to recall that the character titles used to be in Japanese with English mouseover, but it was decided to change this at some point. So now I wonder - why not make this same change to the musical themes? I'm fairly sure that the majority of wiki users don't actually know Japanese, and so seeing the English titles first would be more useful to them, and the goal of this wiki should be to present the information in a way optimized for English-speaking users, no? Since the music themes are already hidden behind an [Expand] link, length shouldn't be an issue (and shouldn't be an issue even if it wasn't, tbh). So for the same reasons that character titles in the info box were changed to show English first, I propose that we apply the same logic to the music theme names and change those to show up in English with Japanese mouseover text. KennyMan666 (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

The problem is that most of the music themes appear as Japanese text in the games (barring a language patch). If one can figure out the shape of the characters, they can find the translation of it on the corresponding game's music page. Code Slasher (talk) 06:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Everything appear as Japanese text in the games if you're not using a translation patch. Including the character titles, which we chose to write out in English first with the Japanese text available as mouseover. So that argument doesn't really hold water. I'm talking about specifically the music themes section in the info box on character pages, which already have both Japanese and English text - the latter as mouseover. I am simply suggesting we swap those around, so the more useful of the two shows up first - just like we did with character titles. KennyMan666 (talk) 18:40, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I agree with the change. It is more consistent that way. ☢ Quwanti 10:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
I should point out that the H:title template used in the music themes section doesn't allow for templates as part of the hover text, the documentation specifically warns against using the Lang template (which is currently used on all the Japanese titles) in hover text as the template will not work. I don't know how to fix the error that the lang template would cause or how important the lang template is in the first place. Ycdtosa (talk) 12:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

'Album Series' Addition to Music Article Template

I was having a look at the 東方猫鍵盤 album pages, and I was wondering if it's possible to add a section to the music article template that will allow us to link to future and previous albums in a series on the right-hand side of the page (somewhere underneath the album art). Something like "Preceded by" and "Followed by". At the moment, links to previous albums are included beneath the album's introduction, but I think moving it to the side would look cleaner and free up space. Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this? Biggest Dreamer (talk) 00:48, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

I've switched 東方猫鍵盤6 over to a testing template, tell me if the "chronology" section at the bottom of the info box satisfies your request, the format is take directly from Wikipedia's album pages. I always thought they were kind of pointless on Wikipedia, but because of the the very formulaic nature of some doujin releases like Touhou Keyboard Cat, Another World (GITR VS TUMENECO) or even Alstroemeria's POP CULTURE series I think it could be beneficial to us here, plus I think it looks very good personally.
I would also like to know how you feel about the chronology section's implementation from an editor perspective, currently it's set up with 3 variables; the name of the chronology, the previous release and the next release (an override "chrono_curr" can be used to specify the current release explicitly). An alternate implementation would be to centralize all the releases on one template and have the specific albums simply call on that template and specify the album's position in the series, the outcome would be the same on the reader's end but for the editors things would be less cluttered but a little more involved. Do you have any preference between the handcrafted vs centralized implementations?
Currently the template only supports one chronology at a time, I think that's sufficient since from my understanding it will be used for specific album series as apposed to being paired with complete circle chronologies (as I do believe that would be pointless). Ycdtosa (talk) 03:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
That's exactly what I had in mind! Awesome work there, like usual. I tried test editing the next album in the series using your template, and it was simple to add the releases in. With a lot of them, we'd only be changing a number here or there, so I don't think manually adding each release in would be too much trouble. Of course, I'm happy to have a look at other options, too! For now, though, the chronology you put together looks clean and works perfectly, and I think it will be a good way for people to easily browse through specific album series quickly. Biggest Dreamer (talk) 03:49, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Great, it's good to know I could be of help. Personally I like the handcrafted approach in place now so I'll leave the chronology section as is. The current test template appears to be stable, so after some more "field testing" and maybe more discussion/other user feedback it should be ready for complete adoption fairly soon. Ycdtosa (talk) 04:40, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Question to other language wiki's regarding the Track template

I was told that adding the tracks on music articles to a template with separate fields for arranger, lyricist, etc would be beneficial for adapting these pages to other languages, is this the case? I've already set up the template (using the sandbox) that would function the same as normal but would allow for separate fields like this;

| english title = ''___''
| arrangement = 
| lyricist = {{lang|ja|}}
| vocals = {{lang|ja|}}
| other = 
| original title = {{lang|ja|}}
| source = {{}}

as apposed to what we currently use;

*{{Track|0|{{lang|ja|}}|:|lyrics=Lyrics: }}
**lyrics: {{lang|ja|}}
**vocals: {{lang|ja|}}
**original title: {{lang|ja|}}
**source: {{}}

If it will indeed help other language wiki's please let me know as I'd be happy to update the Track template, but if it won't really make a difference I don't see a reason to change it. Let me know if you see any other reasons to change or not to change the format. Ycdtosa (talk) 14:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Help please: problem with word wrapping on links inside of a navbox (resolved)

I ran into a problem while trying to make the Arrangement Table template look better by putting the table inside a navbox, I got the idea from Wikipedia:Template:Navbox with columns. The problem is that for whatever reason word wrapping stops working on links inside tables inside navboxs. From what I can tell it's normal for links to not wrap inside of navboxs, but is there some kind of workaround to force word wrapping or exempt the table from the navbox's settings?

I'll put an example of the problem it causes for the Arrangement table template (simplified version) here. Ycdtosa (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

It was a simpler solution that I thought, short answer is just us <span style="white-space:normal;"></span> if anyone was wondering. Ycdtosa (talk) 20:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Music Related Template Changes (Circle, Track, MusicArticle)

It might have been presumptuous of me but I've updated the circle template and the documentation to use a discography parameter as apposed to individual album parameters. The documentation now notates that individual album parameters are deprecated like the use of the arrange parameter and should be updated. I was hoping for more feedback on this before changing anything but after more than a month I've yet to receive any comments on the topic, as far as I can tell there's no good reason to use numbered parameters, album numbers can be commented in if editors think it helps readability.

Before I go ahead and make another change I really do need feedback on the track template, I've had people tell me breaking it all down into a template would be useful for other language wikis but I don't know since I don't contribute to any. I do think it would be good to include the rest of the track information into the template either way, but I'm leaning towards just using a different template name like FullTrack and making it the new standard. The new template would be used kind of like this;

| english title = ''___''
| arrangement = 
| lyricist = {{lang|ja|}}
| vocals = {{lang|ja|}}
| other = 
| original title = {{lang|ja|}}
| source = {{}}

Since I'm posting on the talk page anyways I'll mention that I'll be updating the MusicArticle template with some new "icing on top" features after I test it a little, see my user page for a testcase showing the features. Ycdtosa (talk) 20:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hecatia/Junko invincible during non-spells

Since there is no talk page on LoLK yet I'm posting it here

So I was trying to beat the extra stage of Touhou 15 and I came across a glitch that isn't mentioned on the Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom/Gameplay/Glitches list: So I came to Spell Card 116: Moon "Lunatic Impact", which I usually have trouble with, and accidently timed it out because I used too many of Sanae's bombs which makes the boss invincible. Now that's okay since I wasn't expecting a capture anyway. But here's the thing, the moment the time ran out another bomb was used so the time ran out while hecatia was still invincible, and when she left, Junko for some reason became invincible for the whole duration of her non-spell. I then wasted many bombs and lives because I can't get through one wave. And when it was timed out she was still invincible but then I bombed again and then she was not invincible anymore. I'm not really sure if anyone has come across this glitch as well but it actually scared me because it was on the hardest non-spell and I didn't know about this glitch before so it might be a good idea to add it to the LoLK buglist so that others will know about it as well if they don't:

'Extra stage boss invincible during non-spells: When you bomb while the timer runs out on a spell card the extra boss becomes invincible for the whole duration of the fight, this can be fixed by bombing on another spell card' or something like that. Raymario Pokénic (talk) 12:29, 4 November 2017 (UTC)