Talk:Touhou Wiki/Archive 4

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New guidelines page[edit]

I'm constructing a new editing guidelines page here, which aims to be the definitive source on standards and such for the wiki. Help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated! It would probably be better to discuss things of those topics there, as well. Darkslime 20:24, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps policies and copyrights should be merged into this. This would save on two extra pages. Some of these guidelines would need to be updated as we are no longer hosted by Wikia. Condensing some of the rules would help. Kiefmaster99 20:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Touhou_Wiki:Policy -> Touhou_Wiki:Privacy_policy and Touhou_Wiki:Copyrights -> Touhou_Wiki:Disclaimers? (as the link are available at the bottom of the page - KyoriAsh 20:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. It would be nice if we could replace Touhou Wiki:General disclaimer, Touhou Wiki:About, and Touhou Wiki:Privacy policy with more useful pages. Pufferfish101 00:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Don't forget Hepburn romanization (sya > sha, ti > chi, zi > ji, si > shi, etc.). Momiji 21:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
There's nothing saying you all can't help, too, lol. Darkslime 15:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
But I like sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. ^.~ Just kidding. Momiji 19:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I didn't know there was a name for the set of romaji that we use. Well, that explains why japanese sites use "sya" instead of "sha". Though, I've never actually seen "zi" before. --Tsukihime 16:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

English patches for official games[edit]

The page is in a bit of a shambles. The patches for PCB are completely missing. The patch for EoSD leads to version 0.8 from 2007, and I'm not sure if there is a newer version. Could someone who has good knowledge of the English patching scene make sure that all the English patch links on the wiki (for the official games) are up to date with the newest version and valid? Also, if there are no English patches for games 3-5, perhaps a notice could be put on the page? Some other notes: Phantasmagoria of Flower View/English Patch doesn't seem to contain any useful information, and I'm not sure what Phantasmagoria of Flower View: In-game images to translate and Category:Phantasmagoria of Flower View Translation Screens are up to. Also, the weather patch should include a description of what the weather patch is. That is, if the weather patch wasn't rendered obsolete by the full patch, in which case it should be removed. Anybody familiar with the patches? Pufferfish101 00:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Is it unacceptable for me to find offsite patches (I'll make sure they are safe, I swear!)
Because I'm not familiar with patching to begin with, but I do want to help!
Nazeo 19:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Sure, as long as it's the right version and it works properly with the games. Pufferfish101 05:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
If the weather patch here was the same one from wikia (oh noez!) then it isn't completely obsolete but it's unneccessary. I remember this patching telling the player outright how the weather affects gameplay and the full patch just hints at what the weather does. But to be honest, it really isn't that hard to figure out given the hint.
~jaxter0987~ 10:12, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Unifying Spell Card Info template[edit]

Currently there are 5 spell card info template available:

Right now I'm try to unifying these 5 template into one with a parameter to call, Sample can be view here and the related template can be view here. Feel free to discuss about this template - KyoriAsh 23:18, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

New template partial implemented - KyoriAsh 06:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks nice. Are you going to be unifying the fighter card templates as well? Pufferfish101 06:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Yep, in planning as I want to find the common parameter between other 3 templates - KyoriAsh 06:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Template for Skill Card or Spell Card for Fighter game has completed, now the Spell Card Info template is 5 in 1 - KyoriAsh 05:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Getting the word out![edit]

Since the old wiki isn't playing nice, I (Nazeo) will get the word out on every community that is interested someway, somehow!

My buddy, User:Pufferfish101 gave me the idea when I changed the links in knowyourmeme!

Wish me luck, and I'll be listing the sites I've got the word out to!

Sites I've covered


Knowyourmeme Links to us!
Vocaloidotaku Mentioned to the references they make to us.
Gensokyo Thank Momiji for this one!
Squiby One day, we shall have Touhou Pets on this wiki!
Youtube Yeah, that's right. I'm making comments to ALL the vids (as Thelarrman) to be sure they credit us!
Doujinstyle They are some curious people!
I mean, a bunch of people already combed the internet for links way back when when the move was first happening (TvTropes, random wikis, etc.) but I just rechecked the other day to see if they missed anything relatively big (inevitable, since there are so many links). Don't bother with the obscure ones - a lot of the links are in places where they can't be changed, but if you come across any other high traffic sites like the above still linking to the old wiki, then yeah, feel free to spread the word. Good luck! Pufferfish101 05:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Updating your subpages[edit]

Please update your articles so that any related articles are properly nested as a subpage. All subpage articles should follow the main article, followed by a slash, followed by the article name.

For example, Youkai Tan Q Roku/Items

Where Youkai Tan Q Roku is the main article and Youkai Tan Q Roku/Items is a subpage. You can see that the Items article contains a link back to the parent page. More information on subpages can be found here

Any future sub-articles to an article should be created with this structure. Possible applications include, but not limited to:

  • Games (gameplay, translation, etc.)
  • Print works (chapter 1, chapter 2, etc.)
  • Conventions (specific conventions would be a subpage to the main conventions page, which will be created later)

I personally would prefer updating the main article to link to the new subpage directly as opposed to using the re-direct, but that is up to you. Some problems I see with the appearance is the page title. It will contain the entire name you see in the URL. This can be quite ugly. I have moved different types of pages like a translation article for a game. We can see that as I decided to structure it as such, the page title is really long. Perhaps there is a way to make it so the page title will only show the last part of the URL? Or maybe we can define our own custom page titles.

This will be the solution to removing all of the existing "Return to" links. --Tsukihime 14:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not 100% sure, but it's probably best if we use [[/subpage_name| ]] to link to the subpages. That way, if we decided to move the main article (and consequently all of the subpages), the links would not depend on the base name. Maybe someone can verify --Tsukihime 05:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Tsukihime, verfied. The [[/subpage_name]] link works - KyoriAsh 06:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Second that, and I would add that it's much easier to type. Pufferfish101 06:54, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Btw, remember that if you just type [/name] the / will still be there lol --Tsukihime 14:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Subpage Link Example:

VIEW THE SOURCE CODE PLEASE - KyoriAsh 07:46, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Re-structuring Articles[edit]

We should probably consider re-structuring pages if necessary before actually moving them. Of course, many have already been doing that (ie: placing individual spell card pages under the main spell card article, etc) but I've found that the number of layers that I've been making is getting a little high (ie: sub-sub-sub-subpages) because I've been using the "Return to" links as a guide.

For example, in most Games, we have the main article, and then sections for Gameplay, Translation, Maps, and Music. Preferably, I would like subpages to be at most 2 layers deep (sub-subpages), as attempting to link to it from outside of the main article would be pretty crazy!

Some articles would definitely need some thought put into it --Tsukihime 14:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Uploads of (official) printworks / piracy in general[edit]

Doujin Circles[edit]

We should make a really big deal with this. Like, a huge deal. So I have come up with some categories so far:

  • Doujin Circle/Game (for games)
  • Doujin Circle/Arrange (for music)
  • Doujin Circle/Print (print works I suppose?)
  • ...and maybe more

We'll have a main Doujin Circle page. It will be a master list of all doujin circles throughout the wiki, which is about 1000. This means we'll have to start categorizing groups appropriately.

Every doujin circle will have their own page. Their page will serve as some general profile along with all of their works that they've released.

We'll have a conventions page that will list all of the conventions (as opposed to the conventions category) and each convention will have its own page as a subpage under this (ie: Conventions/Comiket 79). There could be several installments, and we have one of the "summary" pages (ie: Reitaisai) so I'm not too sure how this might be structured. Conventions/Comiket/Comiket 79 perhaps?

Each convention subpage will contain information about the convention. Maybe a map if people really want to make one. Otherwise, just a list of products released during that convention.

The following main articles are proposed:

  • Conventions (master list of conventions)
  • Doujin Circles (master list of doujin circles)

All information would be structured appropriately. It would be quite unfeasible to maintain (or even create) these pages manually, so with the existing resources it doesn't really work :< --Tsukihime 15:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

One other possible category that I would propose is having another category for animations (possibly include flash?) and whatever category M-1 skits would fall into. I take it that these categories are not mutually exclusive. With regards to Comiket information, I'm not sure if map information is essential, since I don't see any use for it after the convention ends (maybe someone else does?). Basic statistics (such as how many participating circles) would be nice. Kiefmaster99 23:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Flash would be a good addition. I think there are more and more video/flash works coming out and are pretty well-done. They definitely should have their own category --Tsukihime 19:52, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Some Video[edit]

  • Update: Thanks to NamelessLegacy lending his talents for making my video into a jamming masterpiece!

I also made the video a little easier on the eyes!

External Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEBIryH7zkM

♥★♦ 03:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


Ehehe, good stuff there. Might as well spread the word out to everywhere else. Deathsoul4 03:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


Looked great. I'm being a bit nit picky here but the "Hello" is a little hard to read in that color. And yeah we should spread the word everywhere else.
~jaxter0987~ 10:12, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Please don't embed that into the Talk page, thanks. Momiji 04:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Regarding some redirect pages[edit]

I see that some redirect pages have recently been deleted. Well, as we are moving most of the "Main page: Subpage" stuff to "Main page/Subpage", can't we delete the "Main page: Subpage" if we can? Deathsoul4 05:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I was on a crusade with deleting re-directs, but then others on IRC mentioned that external websites may be using some of those links. I personally don't see a problem with it, but I was convinced that it makes no real difference in the end so I just didn't bother deleting them. I mean, I can move pages without even creating redirects, but for the convenience of some arbitrary user out there, it probably isn't too bad to keep a re-direct. --Tsukihime 19:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Gotcha. I was thinking that keeping them might only take up space... But I see what you mean. Deathsoul4 19:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

New talk page structure[edit]

I've made an attempt to organize how discussions take place. Anything that requires discussion (ie: adding a new feature, organizing content, etc.) should probably have their own page for it. It is also easier to see what kind of things we've discussed --Tsukihime 17:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

You mean something like Talk: Touhou Wiki/Fandom, Talk: Touhou Wiki/Yukari Yakumo, and Talk: Touhou Wiki/How to use a bomb under the discussion page, and probably the talk page should kind of look like this:
==blah blah blah==
(previous discussion materials)
==blah blah blah blah==
(matters not that important so as to make a separate discussion page--e.g. sth like popularity votes or sth)
==Discussions==
[[/Fandom]]
[[/Yukari Yakumo]]
[[/How to use a bomb]]
Good idea if the discussion topic is something that would take up a lot of spaces. Sry for taking up too much space! ;) Deathsoul4 21:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

DISAGREE

Talk Page should not have subpage, and please archive the topic if it is too long - KyoriAsh 12:12, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

The current archive is rather useless. If you're looking for a topic, you have to go to each archive one by one to see if such a discussion took place. The sort of discussions we have are more meaningful if you organize by topic rather than date. You're not required to make a subpage. However, don't be surprised if a really heated topic gets subpaged rather than shown on the front! --Tsukihime 20:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Regarding My Nuking of Wikia Refferences[edit]

Before anyone "follows my example" by nuking the rest of the references to wikia. I've been following the following criteria: Userpages and talk pages is off limits unless it was painfully obvious that the person in question intended to link to the new link(mostly revision logs and diffs) or the user in question was a wikia bot.

Also someone should probably take a look at the help pages and add the delete template to pages that no longer make any sense or redirect people to the Wikipedia equivalent.--Umhyuk 06:07, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

The User Project[edit]

Here's the summary...

A grand Project has taken place!

Add yourself, and put a field (or fields) you wish to be under, or make one yourself if you feel the need!

Or don't, it's your wiki, and the only thing I'll be doing is adding names.

You decide if you want to add yourself in the field or description, I'm not touching that!

Why I'm doing this?

This makes things more accessible rather than the Special Pages.

Now we can see which things need to be done and what are people are capable of!

Look and see, perhaps you have been added already!

If you feel there is a project that must be put to the attention of other members, then do so!

Any questions, and just ask!

Also, feel free to give me suggestions, and the like!

It's your wiki!

The Itinerary Database

Currant questions I have for the community:

Should I have siggys as a box in the community's table?


Currant Q/A the community has for me

Q:

If I add myself in a field, such as an album or tool hacker, what stops me from getting spam requests saying "MAKE ME THIS NOWZ!

A:

Well, first off, you don't have to add yourself in the field.
Second, I'm thinking of adding a busy meter that come in 3 strengths (Free/Moderate/Busy) so the ones that are willing to do it,will and the ones that are busy don't have to be asked.

Q

What if I remove myself from your list?

A

I really wish you wouldn't, but hey, I can't stop you.
What am I gonna do, force you?
This is a community consensus, and if you don't want it, then remove yourself; I won't hold it against ya!

Update!:The Lounge Room has been added!

The Community portal has been added as the Working Projects Table!
The Editor's Corner is also a source to see the future of this page!

♥★♦ 02:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Objectivity[edit]

I've been reading the official game articles and have noticed that there are some rather subjective descriptions (like "a challenging game"). Perhaps we should consider a more objective presentation? --Tsukihime 18:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Really, all the main game articles could use a good edit. When was the last time they were really revised? Pufferfish101 22:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I've been going through them and revising minor things like grammar and removing some subjectivity as well as removing ALL external references (ie: non touhou) in the overview. Frankly I don't think it's necessary to say that EoSD is "like this other game for the sega genesis" as readers probably have no clue what that game is. Overviews should get to the point and avoid user's opinions on the matter. A separate section dedicated to what people think of the game would be for reviews.
Of course, this is only what I think a formal game description should be like. Perhaps the authors thought a bit more casual and subjective presentation would be more engaging to the audience. --Tsukihime 22:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
How do we describe Touhou games then?
Even on easy mode, they are harder than most games, so how do we describe that?
I am for the reviews page, though! :3

♥★♦ 23:05, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Why compare games in a game overview? There are plenty of other things that can be discussed that actually gives the user an idea what the game is like. It's up to them to decide whether it is "very similar to another game" or whether it's "extremely challenging" --Tsukihime 03:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
One more vote for the reviews page. We do need objectivity in descriptions about official games, but a review section can be made to describe how the game is in the players' stance. Deathsoul4 23:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. After all, the fact notion that IN is probably the easiest game on Easy Mode should be somewhere on the wiki. Pufferfish101 04:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Even this is debatable. For Easy Mode, I would agree with you, but from Normal Mode on I personally found it to be significantly harder than, let's say, MoF or LLS. The presence of spell practice alone does not necessarily make it easy to clear.
If we want to write about difficulty, we should elaborate a bit more on that, like "This game has many randomized spellcards, demanding quick reactions from the player" or something similar.
Don't just put any of those blunt "facts". No matter how clear it may seem to you and how much forum postings you saw which amplified your opinion. --NamelessLegacy 21:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
That's essentially what I meant. Info like that shouldn't be presented as "fact" (bad wording on my part), but we can say such and such is generally thought to be easy/easier than such and such for this and that reason. Anyway, even better than a wide generalization would be a reviews section that gives you a range of opinions. Pufferfish101 06:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Introducing Review pages[edit]

Let's push towards a Review section. Where should we put it on the page? Should it be easily noticeable? Should it be tucked away near the bottom of the page? Should it even be on the game page, or should we create a special section for it (ie: wiki/reviews) where all review pages are collected and we provide a link to it from the respective game. Let's use UFO as a sample. --Tsukihime 14:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Cloud tags vs Category tagging[edit]

I saw Category:Characters in Touhou Hisoutensoku, Category:Characters not in a Touhou game, category:Characters playable in a fighting game, and Category:Characters without hats and thought it was a little questioanble. If we extend this to other games wouldn't we end up with Reimu having 14 categories at the bottom which is quite messy! Especially if you want to write "Characters in Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, Characters in Imperishable Night, Characters in Phantasmagoria of Flower View, Characters in Phantasmagoria of Dimensional Dream, etc" --Tsukihime 19:50, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I looked around for a tagging system similar to that used on danbooru (cause that would seem more appropriate than using categories), and found the concept of "Tag Clouds" which might be useful. There's this extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FolkTagCloud which sounds like it'll achieve the tagging system, but it appears to be in addition to SMW, which we have not decided whether to install or not. But for the most part, I think some of the categories aren't too necessary --Tsukihime 00:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Category usage[edit]

So when do you guys think we should or should not create a category? For example "Female character", "Tall character", "Human character", "Short character", etc.

Should they be based on characteristics, article content, other? --Tsukihime 13:58, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

No, thanks - KyoriAsh 14:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
So what should they be based on, as many of the recent category edits are based on characteristics of the character in question rather than the content of the article itself. ie: Character profile for Byakuren is also categorized under "Characters in UFO" --Tsukihime 14:29, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I think categories should be board, very broad.

Sub-categories should follow after as Article Headers, and the rest will fall in line!

♥★♦ 04:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Missing Files that Didn't Get Imported[edit]

So there are still a lot of missing files that haven't yet been transported. Especially Replays - a lot of them simply didn't get uploaded. It looks like most of the ones that did get transported are the ones that currently have links to them. I'm not sure if all the Images got imported, but I haven't seen that many missing image files anyway. Also, what's with this --> Category:Videos? Pufferfish101 09:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I doubt that we have missing image files, but there are certainly some duplicates. Few of the RSO spell card images have duplicates, but since there are so many (and so many other files in the list of unused images) it'll be pretty hard to go through all of them. Deathsoul4 01:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
The duplicates have numbers before their file names, and are mostly old versions of certain files or a thumbnail. I wonder why they didn't upload properly though. Master Bigode 03:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Speaking of RSO, I can't seem to access all images through a directory of some sort. Currently, 'Rumbling_Spell_Orchestra_Images' is blank. As well, I don't like the way they're currently named (Name####, as opposed to RSO####, since Name is redundant with the first two digits). Is there an easy way to either assign categories to them or change names? - Kiefmaster99 03:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I had reuploaded all Replay files that has been in the World Record only, other user's replay not in my consideration, and DON'T TOUCH THOSE SPELL CARDS IMAGES, currently I'm in process of converting to standard naming scheme in between zh and en side. - KyoriAsh 06:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)