Talk:Touhou Wiki/Archive 7

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Illustration by ZUN

OK... On Danbooru, there's seems to be images officially drawn by ZUN and I'm curious why they are not on the wiki, I've also manage to found a website that seems to somewhat have a list of these images and are linked to ZUN's old website, there seems to be more images on the website than on danbooru. Discuss? --Tony64 14:44, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, there are some illustrations by ZUN that were never uploaded to the wiki. Most of them can still be found at his site if you use the web archive. Master Bigode 17:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Shall I start creating a page for these images then? --Tony64 17:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
More official stuff! lol --Tsukihime 18:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Use Miscellaneous illustrations by ZUN. -Master Bigode 18:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
See your happy, Tsukihime ;) --Tony64 18:29, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Books backcovers

I own most of the official touhou printworks(Except Inaba of the Moon and the semi-official fanbook), and all the official windows touhou shooter games up to now. I updated a few book covers, mainly for the three fairies series, but I was wondering if there was a way to get to show the backcover of the books without being invasive in the pages. Uploading it together with the frontcover in the preview picture makes it very stretched and small. I could upload the backcovers of the books as well as those of the games. Sefam 12:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm OK with the additions, but the images are a little too big file size-wise for something that is used for illustrative purposes only. If possible, try to keep their file size under 500kb. Master Bigode 20:32, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
They're big but I'm thinking it won't be a problem, since you normally see them already resized (and resized images are cached anyway). Momiji 21:04, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
What Momiji said. Just to specify; the thumbnail pictures are under 50kb, and the preview pictures(When you click on the thumbnail), are under 150kb. You only get the bigger file size if you decide to check the full resolution version, in which case I think the quality is a good thing to have. Unless the wiki's hosting can't handle the size of the images. If that's really a problem, I can either resize them or lower their quality. Sefam 21:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Make em png files and do what the above said! ♥★♦ 16:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Ehh, making them PNG files would make them bigger than 10MB. Perhaps much bigger. Master Bigode 16:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Wait, so jpgs are smaller? I was always told that png was best. ♥★♦ 16:37, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

For certain things it's best. For images with smooth color gradients (like photographs, in general) JPEG is best. For images with lots of repeating patterns and whatnot, in places you'd previously use GIF for, or if you need transparency support, use PNG. Momiji 16:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikia

OH GOD, did you guys put the goatse thing in there?! It's disgusting, please put something cute instead. ~:c MoonRabbit 11:56, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Quoting the admin of this wiki: "I wanted to say, as much as people are pissed off/fed up/apathetic/etc. with Wikia, please don't go vandalizing the old wiki."
That is our official stance. Not like we can do much else. - Kiefmaster99 15:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Goatse ? When did that happen ? And what the hell were you doing at wikia ? -Master Bigode 15:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I swear to whatever deities you believe in, if I catch anyone here putting that sort've crap up there you're getting a permanent ban without room for negotiation. Seriously. It's really uncalled for, and I've made it more than clear we disproved of it. Momiji 15:59, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I just visited Wikia and it's full of "This page has moved to http://en.touhouwiki.net/" in every page. Not to mention it looks broken Vecktor 16:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Yep, the images have been removed, but the links are still there. Guess it's better this way. Oh, and the only reason I went there is because it still pops up first on Google when I search for Touhou related stuff. MoonRabbit 16:34, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

VS3025 wrote up a pretty non-biased About page, detailing the history of the two wikis. I'd say at this point, at least between the two wikis, the hatchet is officially buried. Momiji 05:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

As much as I dislike on how things went down, that's going too far and the way I see it is we must not make a big deal on what's occurring at wikia because that just feeds the trolls and reactions really doesn't help us here.

So... in that regard I'm with you guys. It's over and that's all that really needs to be said about it No need to spam for us on our account because what that does is just makes us look bad and we don't stand for it.

♥★♦ 16:10, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Funny Party in the fog translation

Hello. I've recently discovered a fantastic CD via youtube.com called "Funny Party in the fog". I would like to know what the lyrics are in English (Romaji and English preferably) so I've been going around and asking people how I could get these songs translated. Since this is the Touhou hub of the west, I figured this would be a good place to ask around. If I've asked in the wrong area, please forgive me. I've never joined a wiki community before. Thanks for any help that can be given. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flanchan (talkcontribs)

The article for it is here, but as you can see, no lyrics are up yet. Maybe someone who owns a copy will add the lyrics some day. If you add the red links to your watchlist (click the star at the top of the page, near the edit button), and enable e-mail notifications in your preferences, you'll be notified via e-mail that those pages have been edited. Master Bigode 22:56, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. I'll keep an eye on the page. I'm currently looking around for someone who can translate the CD (or at least song 4...so amazing), so if I get any translations before touhouwiki.net does, I'll be sure to share. --Flanchan 04:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

As a follow up to my post, I can't find anywhere online to BUY the CD. I've found youtube videos and a few download sites, but I want to OWN the CD. It's that epic. The only thing is I don't speak Japanese and the English sites that have Japanese stuff (Touhou in particular) don't carry it. Any suggestions?--Flanchan 05:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Anyone know how to patch?

(resurrected from Archive 6)

After watching several of our community members make patched games (such as Lucky Charat and RegalStar) I'm interested to get in the mix!

But... after many frustrating Google searches, I got nothing...

Don't worry about the actual translations themselves, I just want to be able to make the files responsible to make this happen.

So, any one willing to help me out? ♥★♦ 00:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

First off, if you ask a generic question like "how do I create patch", chances are you're probably pretty far away from creating one.
Applying external modifications to a compiled application is just one area of "hacking", and thus requires a comprehensive knowledge on how the program in question, and programs in general, operate. And as every program, and therefore every patch, is different, there's also no "surefire way" to create a patch.
This also explains why your Google searches failed. Nobody can help you if you just ask a generic question like this. See, even I might have misunderstood your question, and you want something entirely different.
I can only suggest you to learn a compiled programming language, ideally C, from start to finish. (Watch out that you learn _only_ C, not C++, at first. All that object-oriented extra stuff may be used by some games, but is not guaranteed to help you much in that regard). Depending of what you want to patch, you may need to learn the basics of assembly language as well.
And after practicing a bit, the basic workflow of "creating a patch" should come to you naturally. If you still need help with specifics then, some hackers will certainly be willing to help you.
If you want to see how such a patch may look like, I recommend taking a look at the source code and technical documentation of the Touhou Vorbis Compressor. I documented all the aspects involved in designing and creating a patch like this. It's a fairly simple patch when compared to other, more complicated patches. If you really want to be able create a patch, you should have no problem understanding this documentation. --NamelessLegacy 11:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

I guess I better get cracking...

♥★♦ 02:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Other Dead language wiki?

OK, I have identified some of the "dead" wiki, here's the list:

German, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Swedish, and Ukrainian

As of the list above, sv admin "promised" to write the content of the wiki when he's done with his exam. And now for the rest: de has been "declared" dead by NamelessLegacy, es and pt... well not quite dead, but rarely have some editor to come in. Finally, it and uk... I don't want to say so much but... the two person who requested us to open the related language wiki is gone, and the whole wiki is left empty for a few weeks, no edit activities occur.

So, now's the problem: Who can help to revive those dead wikis? - KyoriAsh 11:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I think we should do at least two things to promote small wikis. First: finaly make global main page (Talk:Touhou Wiki/Mainpage). And second: enable interwiki panel expanded by default. Just like it's made in Wikipedia now. This panel is hidden by default in our wiki and so people don't notice it and are not aware of existence of other language wikis. For new wikis we should make incubator site as I've said before. Coyc 12:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

wiki.net vs wikia

Which out of these two is the most populist? Why I ask is because wikia is just f****d up! Has anyone seen the info they provide on the characters pages? Such as comparing Sakuya and Youmu to Sonic and saying Patchouli was the one who created flandres wind, and even saying the wrong translation on one Japanese character? And most of it doesn't say if it's either canon of fanon. WTF zombie wiki? There isn't even good articles on Kyouko Kasodani, Yoshika Miyako and Ten Desires. Someone has to either get wikia to this wiki or close the wiki for good! (or at least get every English speaker across the globe who's a Touhou fan knowing about this wiki.) I mean, we also let users upload fan-made created stuff on the wiki (e.g. Fiction and KiKi-KaiKai's OC (lol)). I also like to ask on why wiki.net is not yet at the top of google... --Tony64 11:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Simple answer: Touhou Wiki used to have Wikia as a host. Then we left. Due to Wikia's policies, it can't be closed. Due to past history, still on top of Google. How long as this particular site been active? Less than a year. Just give it time and wait til next Comiket. - Kiefmaster99 12:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I guess Touhou Project Wiki (Old Wiki) was maintained once to copy & add some ideas or sentences from this wiki. Moreover, I can't believe every user can access from the top page of that wiki to a podcast series "Touhou Podcast" from a user "THWikiPodcast", even though the current wiki (here) is "Touhou Wiki" while the Old Wiki was renamed as "Touhou Project Wiki". --masuo64 Talk 17:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
They're at the top of Google right now, but we're the more active wiki, as far as edits and up to date information is concerned. In time search results should change to reflect this. Unfortunately, Wikia is also an arm of Wikipedia, and is popular as a whole, which will likely always influence the results. Also, people are lazy. Even if they did know about us, they would still go for the first search hit, which isn't us.
I'm concerned that they'll feed the fans bad information, but we have nothing to do with them anymore, so it's not like we can do anything about it. Just as long as we continue to get the name out, keep editing to ensure that we remain the better option, and hope the other site remains a wreck of bad design and bad edits. UTW 23:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Just fight the good fight here and all will work themselves out friends! ♥★♦ 04:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Adding links to the pages Windows and PC-98 with the words "Windows" and "PC-98"

I request any admin to add [[ ]] on the words, please. --Tony64 19:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I also request someone to change "Tasogare Frontier" to "Twilight Frontier". --Tony64 20:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

This isn't a bid deal, is it? :( --Tony64 09:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Embodiment of Scarlet Devil retexture patch problem

I've noticed a problem with the patch on the title screen. The title of the game reads "Emboidment of Scarlet Devil". It's a very small problem, but it's extremely annoying. Is there someone I can contact to fix it? Is it something simple I can fix myself? Also, am I asking my questions in the wrong places? I don't want to annoy someone with having to move my posts. Thanks in advance.--Flanchan 05:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

You're better off contacting the person who made the patch directly. Try here.
He also supposedly said that he'd touch it up last December, but I guess that never happened. - Kiefmaster99 05:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll see if I can contact this person.--Flanchan 04:18, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Broken image links

I moved a bunch of images without creating re-directs. Will this be an issue? --Tsukihime 02:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Master Bigode 02:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh man, I kinda tired of this. When you delete or rename images in the English wiki all the links are broken in all language wikis. --Coyc 02:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Best practice is to edit first cross wiki then move images - KyoriAsh 04:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Hold on a bit on image deletion, we're working on getting GlobalUsage installed. Momiji 04:19, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

All moves will be reverted and redirected so existing edits won't be broken. --Tsukihime 13:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Beyond Ultra Mode?

I saw a really crazy Embodiment of Scarlet Devil video, and since this is "the" Touhou English site, I wanted to ask here about it. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01UuqBwrvdY

The guy said in his video description that he didn't know what to call it, so I wanted to ask around and find out what it was. Also what is TAS? It seems he slowed down the actual gameplay with TAS. Understandable since that hack looked too insane to humanly do. Thanks in advance. --Flanchan 04:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

He couldn't call it "Ùltra mode" only because he was playing the Extra stage of the same/similar modification.
The title is 東方紅魔郷Ex 裏2周目突入 (of which I can only made out the first part as "EoSD Ex".) The Ultra-mode one is called 東方紅魔郷Ultraモード (EoSD Ultra mode). TAS = Tool-assisted (whether by slowing down the game or by using save states).
The Nico Nico Douga link has the link to the patch.
Also, you're better off asking questions such as this in other Touhou fansite forums. While this site is dedicated to Touhou, the Talk pages are intended for improving the wiki and such. - Kiefmaster99 05:19, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer and the advice. If I ever feel like committing suicide, I'll check out that link XD. And I'll ask my questions on one of the forums from the link page.--Flanchan 23:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Is wikia getting better?

I just recently discovered on what VS3025 is doing at wikia. He seems to have created a template here for the characters at "his" wiki. Now, I don't know about you guys but who thinks this would work for wikia and who thinks this is rubbish. Who thinks is better, VS3025 on Aya's page at wikia or Quwanti's on Hina? I've also seen a "/" on Aya's sup pages there, which I know wikia has never used that before, and I've seen some users putting info at that wiki that seems to have come from this wiki. At my own speculation, wikia is copying us. Why was I at wiki is because I was checking there recent changes, at's all ;) --Tony64 16:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Both works, the one better, ask someone outside, like a post on Shrinemaiden. Berzul 16:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Wikia arbitrarily copying us is not a new thing. I have seen changes made there that stem from this wiki's discussion.
At the same time though, their quality control is, ahem, lacking.
Getting a neutral opinion is going to be somewhat hard. Most Touhou fan websites are already aware that the wiki has moved (ranging from major threads to knee-jerk reactions), and userbases have developed bias against Wikia. - Kiefmaster99 17:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Stop going to wikia. That place is already dead and harmless. Master Bigode 18:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree. As a certain fluffy friend once told me, stop beating an already dead horse and let's move on with what we have to do here! ♥★♦ 04:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, the dead horse thing goes through my mind every time it's brought up. - Kiefmaster99 04:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Social networks

It's true that Touhou fan communities are aware of our wiki, but search engines are stil showing Wikia one at their top results. And Wikia has Facebook "like" button on its pages. So how about we to enable such buttons for FB, Twitter and Google in our wiki? I think it would help to spread the word for those who yet don't know about this wiki. --Coyc 18:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Do other major wikis (Super Mario Wiki; Bulbapedia) use this? - Kiefmaster99 18:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
It seems that Nintendo wikis don't use this. Something like this is used on Wikinews: and Russian Uncyclopedia (it also moved from Wikia like us lol).Coyc 19:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
That's a brilliant idea! It can take us to top of google! I would just go straight for it if I was you ^,^ --Tony64 19:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
If it takes longer to display when such a feature is added, we should stop and consider, because, I think, one of the purposes of databases is the speediness on displaying the interface. My first impression to that wiki was "Wow, too comlicated, cumbersome... Too long to finish loading!" If this wiki gets longer to finish loading, as a result we're following one of the weak points of that wiki. Is this a needless worry? --masuo64 Talk 03:02, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
No, your theory holds water. I think if it does make our wiki slower, than I say no, because the ones who truly want to see our wiki already know we exist and they would've had contacted their friends and such... So, I think we are fine, unless we find some way to prevent slowing while implementing, then that would be great! (We don't have to prove anything to the other wiki, as everyone can decide for themselves which resource they wish to use.)

♥★♦ 04:11, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm more against the like button simply because it takes up clutter at the expense of, at least IMO, not doing much. The extra clutter will likely tick off visitors. - Kiefmaster99 04:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Those other wikis are simply cluttered to begin with. We don't really have that problem. Social links there aren't the thing making the difference between messy and clean or fast and slow and I don't think adding such here would make a significant difference in those things. I just question how much good it would ultimately do. If we really want to reach out we'd be better off making Twitter or Facebook accounts for the site, but I don't know if anyone would be willing to put time and effort into those. Twitter, at least, is worthless unless it's semi-frequently updated. Although we already have a Twitter, apparently, I guess. But either way, that's time better put into the wiki itself. UTW 06:28, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree, a couple random widgets here and there isn't what makes a page cluttered or not, it's the overall design. That said, does a like button really make that much of a difference for the rankings? --Tsukihime 16:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

References outside Touhou

I like say one thing, should we create a page that creates references to Touhou? Example, this image seems to have come from some anime (which I don't know where... ;), and the yukkuri shiteitte ne song by Miku Hatsune is a big reference to Touhou. I got this idea from the Mario wiki here. Discuss? --Tony64 20:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I vote yesh! It has enough water to deserve a slot in the Sidebar, as it shows the appreciation of other people outside the Touhou World! ♥★♦ 20:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Cirno Tokens

For every 9 major contributions you make to wiki, you receive a wonderful cirno token!

You may exchange 9 cirno tokens for a cirno coin.

You can post them on the list of users beside your name. --Tsukihime 01:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Each task on the community portal should be assigned a reward value between 1 and 5. This indicates how many cirno tokens you will receive upon completion of the task. 5 cirno tokens means you will receive a cirno coin. --Tsukihime 02:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Out of game timeline

I've been working on that thing for so long, it's still not complete, but it's the most complete I've ever seen. I've used many sources, none of them are listed though. It's there: http://gensokyo.wikispaces.com/Touhou+timeline I'm not sure if it'll be useful somehow, but I sure hope it will. MarioJr 15:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC) Oh, by the way, please, pleeeaaase disregard the other pages of that site. It's very, VERY incomplete, and still a work in progress. MarioJr 15:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

IRC Problem?

Is there a problem with the IRC? I can't seem to load it up... --Tony64 (Talk) 22:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I even checked the logs for the 29th of July and it looks like I've haven't missed much... --Tony64 (Talk) 23:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

[1] -Master Bigode 23:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
So... heard anything if it will repair soon? --Tony64 (Talk) 23:56, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I noitced to. It is pretty frustrating. :P ~ Quwanti 16:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, the shrinemaiden link now says it's fixed, but... --Tony64 (Talk) 16:25, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

The IRC should now be working for everyone. --Tony64 (Talk) 20:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Aha it is not fixed at all for me. What is happening is that it does not even connect to the server at all, just automatically it says that there is no such server. Can't ping it... so I don't know what else should I try really... Berzul 20:33, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I would just suggest waiting a bit longer. That's what I did really. I have no other suggestion, so sorry if it's still doesn't work. Tony64 22:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh I know let's use proxy, and it works, thus the server does not like my IP.... Berzul 03:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
For now I can connect, so they probably fix their block IP range lists... Berzul 17:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)