Talk:Youmu Konpaku

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PCB's character .txt says Youmu's two swords are "長刀「楼観剣(ろうかんけん)」" and "短剣「白楼剣(はくろうけん)」" -- as far as I can tell, that's a longsword (choutou) Roukanken and a short sword (tanken) Hakurouken.

--Pentarou 09:31, 1 May 2005 (PDT)

>*Some Western fanfic writers portray Myon as being able to take on the shape of a ghostly duplicate of Youmu, although this depiction is rare among Japanese fanartists.

Portraying a character the same way as she is portrayed in the actually (canon) game hardly counts as a fun fact, not?

AoA 18:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

"Swordsmanship Mastery"[edit]

This is a minor point, but does Youmu actually specialise in Swordsmanship Mastery, as in the mastery of all practises that may generally be considered a form of swordsmanship? That kind of mastery strikes me as a bit odd, but I suppose it's not beyond someone living in Gensokyo.

--Deciare


Well, I'm not really sure myself. Whatever 剣術を扱う程度の能力 means, I guess. Excite gives me "Ability of extent in which fencing is treated". That's not too helpful. Would you have a suggestion for specialization of Japanese swords in particular?

--Leviathean 21:52, 12 May 2005 (PDT)

FIXME spammit[edit]

Well, since no one was gonna do it, I did. :p

-- PD 11月18日2005 2200 EST

Relativity stuff[edit]

I changed

"Einstein's general relativity theories hold that at extremely high velocities time moves slower for those traveling at that velocity than for a stationary observer"

to

"Einstein's special relativity theories hold that at extremely high velocities time moves slower for those traveling at that velocity than for a stationary observer"

GR deals with gravity's effects on curving spacetime. SR deals with stuff moving very fast, time dilation, length contraction and the like.

--71.176.229.60 23:00, 27 July 2007 (PDT)

Impershible Night[edit]

I just find out the Youmu's eye color in Impersihable Night (Last Word) Change to red just like at PCB. It seems she got a sore eyes due to seeing the Moon. -121.96.215.54 10:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that she's the only one that was affected by the full moon, yet no one has added it in her page...perhaps she's not as powerful as thought to be...--98.228.216.234 00:25, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Editted out the special relatively stuff and the Kaiden istake[edit]

I deleted the bit about time slowing down for her when she does some of her attacks, grimoir of marisa says it's because of concentration and not speed. And the calculations where it put youmu at hypersonic is in Kaidan #3 not Kaidan #2.

Kompaku[edit]

Excuse me, but where in fanon or canon did she get the alternate spelling "Kompaku"? Fairy Maid 18:55, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

It hasn't been used officially as far as I know, and I doubt that it's used much otherwise. "ん" is transliterated as "m" before B, M, and P in Traditional Hepburn (hence Asahi Shimbun), but it's not done much now. --TheSinnerChrono 01:59, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
I remember "Kompaku" hasn't been used in canon, so it's not proper to list it in the item "alternate spelling". It must be because most Japanese assume one letter indicates one sound, despite the fact, for example, that the "ん" sound really consists of 5 diverse sounds. But, as mentioned below by TheSinnerChrono, that spelling should be consistent for Hepburn style.
In fact it is just that that "Kompaku" is the correct oral spelling (for the reasons TheSinnerChrono already mentioned), while "Konpaku" is the right way to write it down...they don't have "m" letter anyway. So they both are correct and also the only way to spell her name, it's just about what spelling you are talking about...--Touhoufag 07:54, 18 December 2010 (PST)

Item from online game which may inspired by Youmu?[edit]

Speculation, There is an item called Youmuu's Ghostblade, still in beta area before apply to public game, in game called league of legends.

One of the characters also have Haruhi's dance dance animation. So this item may inspired by Touhou.

Infobox[edit]

I'm dealing with this one tonight. As well as rewriting part of the article. Also, unruly short hair! :D

--Sefam 16:11, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Fandom section[edit]

Regarding Youmu's fandom section, I think that different from Marisa Kirisame and Reimu Hakurei that it would be better to state her fandom section in paragraphs than in bullets. I do think that for some characters, but not all, it would be more appropriate to state them in paragraphs, and I think Youmu would be one of them. Kiefmaster99 tried separating out the things in the second paragraph, but I think that this makes it much more awkward not to group them together like that. For the sake of making the fandom section easier to read, I do think it would be good to at least try out seeing how it might work if it were in paragraphs instead.--Tosiaki 04:38, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

If there are no objections to having Youmu's fandom section being in paragraph form, then I shall make the switch back to paragraph form. Perhaps it may be appropriate to use paragraph form for some characters, bulleted lists for other characters, a combination for other characters. It may seem arbitrary in deciding which characters will have what format for their fandom sections, but I think that Youmu would better have it in paragraph form than in bullet form.--Tosiaki 21:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not against it. It makes it more readable, IMO. It may even be written like some sort of "Reception" in a normal fictional character article in wikipedie, I guess. ☢ Quwanti 21:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

"Youmu is known in Perfect Cherry Blossom to be an opponent to take seriously, and one whose spell cards tend to be skipped by beginners."[edit]

I can't see this been under "Danmaku/Fighting Style". I can only see this been under Fanon cause this is how a person would play, not how Youmu would play. This isn't official simply because it's someones choice of doing. Well, not everyone doesn't skip Youmu's spell cards with bombs. I didn't. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 12:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Such sayings fit more in the Strategy subpage of Perfect Cherry Blossom rather than a character's page. ☢ Quwanti 13:21, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of this being in Fandom. - Kiefmaster99 15:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps something might need to mark it out as being more of a non-absolute statement, but I do not think gameplay statements really belong in fandom.--Tosiaki 19:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I mean, I think it might already be obvious that it is a statement that does not apply to all people. If that needs to be more clear, perhaps something could be created to mark out statements related to gameplay that are not true for all people.--Tosiaki 20:00, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The words "Fighting Style" says it all to one of the reasons to why it shouldn't be there (most parts of that section mostly talks about style). Fanon is fanon. It can state anything from gameplay to memes.
When I was a beginner, I didn't take Youmu seriously, and didn't use bombs (well, I did the same thing to pretty much everyone lol). Changing to "skipped by some beginners" would be better, but it's still the kind of statement that doesn't fit with official material (as stated with my comment above). Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 21:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, I wouldn't say it fits with fanon either. Talking about difficulty can be somewhat subjective and may not be true for all people, but I do think that it is useful to at least say something about it. Pretty much all wikis and guides for games say at least something about difficulty. As stated previously, perhaps something could mark out that it may not be true for all people.--Tosiaki 22:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I take issue with the statement itself because "X is hard" is not notable, and the actual phrase itself is wordy. I don't know why "Youmu is generally considered difficult for a stage 5 boss" isn't used.
Besides that, I think we'd have to raise the bar for some sort of proof. It's no good to have "X is hard," or worse, "some people think X is hard," at least without some sort of proof because, as some editors have pointed out, can be objectionable. Thus, I recommend that any such statements be cited to some source, whether surveys, tier lists, or otherwise. - Kiefmaster99 03:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Concur. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 03:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I do admit that when I have added this statement, I based this on only one source, and that source sometimes makes joking statements, although it is quite easy to tell when they are just joking. However, upon doing various searches, I have come across various other sources that support it, like this, this, and various bulletin board discussions like this. Perhaps these could be mentioned for this as secondary sources.--Tosiaki 03:40, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a reason why I emphasize tier lists and surveys. Mentioning blog posts turns the claim into "some people think X is hard." Discussion threads are somewhat better. Tiers and surveys gives you a statistic, and so long as sample size is sufficiently high (no strict req for tiers if all matches are recorded, x > 100 for surveys), I'd consider them reliable.
I would be willing to accept discussion threads so long as the outcome is clear and two different communities are cited, but I worry this may not be sufficient. Blog posts that attempt to aggregate opinions would also work. (By this, I mean choosing any 10+ blogs, your sample, and then tallying opinions)
There are other considerations. A more recent source is better than an older one. A more global source is also better (global > language-specific > site-specific).
Contradicting sources can be considered on a case-by-case basis. For example, with Youmu, people might counter her claim with Rin Kaenbyou. - Kiefmaster99 12:33, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
To further elaborate:
Gensokyo.org sometimes holds polls. This would be a site-specific survey, with a sample size of 4549. In one poll, where they asked "What character do you use most often in UFO?", MarisaA won by a large margin. Another survey with a greater sample size and reach may trump this result.
Tier lists are created for the fighters. The following is a Japanese tier list. According to this, Sakuya, Remilia, and Yuyuko are the best characters. However, there is another tier list.
The THWiki Popularity Poll is a global (or at least tries to be) survey, with a sample size of well over 20k. We can conclude that Septette for a Dead Princess is the most popular music piece. Results coming from this poll are generally indisputable.
- Kiefmaster99 16:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I guess that for this, more comprehensive results and surveys might be needed, so I shall do more searching. Touhou Gensouban is usually the one people go towards when it comes to a bulletin board for discussion on Touhou, so I shall also search more there as well.--Tosiaki 21:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
When it comes to a secondary source, though, I shall point towards the secondary source that many often refer to, which states exactly what I added.--Tosiaki 03:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Even though it's still shown there, I just still think it's fanon... It's the tone of the sentence that gets me. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 04:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Gameplay statements are not fanon.--Tosiaki 04:18, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
In any case, I have modified the statement to more closely match what it stated originally.--Tosiaki 04:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I would also like to contest the statement that "fans" and "players" are the same. To some extent, that can be true, but when it comes to this, I would say that they cannot be equated. In fact, in general, they cannot be equated either.--Tosiaki 05:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I think of fanon more as what fans conjecture about each character, game situation, relationship, etc. rather than a gameplay statement. That said, even though the tone might get you, it's more like people's aggregated opinion (or a gameplay statement, as Tosi called it) about Youmu in game.
As for more sample, we could hit up some discussion boards (possibly foreign ones as well, like those in China, HK, Taiwan, West Europe, or Russia) to see what they think of this statement. Then we could truly get some degree of global aggregated opinion of Youmu and we could then put it into the gameplay section. --This message from DeltaSierra4 was delivered on 08:03, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Whelp, not fanon, but anything that is done by fans/players at least, I suppose lol. What should also be noted is nico nico wiki is just another wiki site where anyone can edit stuff (but I presume they allow fan related info to be said anywhere? (Correct me if I'm wrong since I can see the fanon section on that site, and that I noticed some of that with Seihou), but, yeah, they'll know more than us lol.
It's the words "Fighting Style" and "beginners". To some extent, they don't really connect with each other. I apologise, but, I still don't agree. *sweatdrop*
On a plus note, shouldn't we really be adding only official info (i.e. said by ZUN)? Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 16:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, when it comes to story/characterization and stuff. Gameplay stuff is a separate matter altogether.--Tosiaki 16:40, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
That is to say, I think we need to separate out things into four, not two, separate ways of categorizing what kind of information it is. One is "canon", otherwise known as 公式設定. Another is "fanon," otherwise known as 二次設定. There are two additional things that do not fit in it, since they are not exactly "設定" - one is "gameplay," and if a precise definition is needed, then we can refer to wikipedia page for it. The fourth one is "reception" - refer to how "reception" pages are on many Wikipedia pages. I would favor separating out "reception" from fanon as well, since that has nothing to do with "fanon" either.--Tosiaki 16:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Especially for the popularity polls - things related to "reception" like that don't really have anything to do with "what makes up the character in fanon."--Tosiaki 16:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
... although... I guess that could be resolved by changing the name of all such sections to "reception and fanon" so that it would fit. In any case, it is statements related to gameplay that still do not quite fit in there...--Tosiaki 13:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Hakurouken and Roukanken lit.meanings[edit]

An edit was made to the original page for the Roukanken and Hakurouken, but yet in the "Posessions" section the old literal meanings (high/plain-building sword) remain.

Becker260 (talk) 00:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)