Template talk:Character Info

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Discussion[edit]

It looks okay, I guess, but the uniform background colour and borders everywhere makes it appear as though none of the text is particularly noteworthy.

What if we remove the borders from the first two columns (so that the image and headers are visually grouped together as nominative info) and make the background colour for the third column white (so that all the info there is grouped together as descriptive info)? And bump the border colour up a few shades to #aaaaaa, which is what's used by all the other borders and <hr>s. --Deciare 15:26, 27 May 2005 (PDT)

Well, I was working on this at work, and didn't really have time to polish it. Because the headers no longer have borders, I've right-aligned them to make it easier to see the connection to the info. I wonder how it would look without the internal borders on the right side as well?
Also, is there any other useful heading we could add to this template before we start using it en masse? I've removed the "Spell Card" and "Talks" because they were not informative at all. The Unofficial Touhou Guide has "Height" (ranging from Very Short to Very Tall), "Relations" (for Yukari, it would be like, Ran (shikigami); Chen (shikigami's shikigami); Yuyuko (friend)), "Titles" (a list of all the titles that character has had since their creation), and "Theme Songs" (a list of that character's theme songs). However, I'm not sure if we really need these... --Leviathean 20:13, 27 May 2005 (PDT)
I didn't mean to say anything insulting. The effort you put into making stuff look consistent is very commendable.
Your suggestion to remove the internal borders on the right side reminds me of a table layout that I once tried for another site. The right side of the table would have borders coloured the same as the background colour on the left side, so it looks like the borders were 'leaked' from the header columns.
Not sure how it would look without any borders at all, though. Probably a bit confusing (on wide screens where you have to look some 20 inches to the left to see which row the text you're reading is lined up with).
A "Relations" sections would be cute. We sort of do that already, indirectly, with Location and the profile stuff, but it might be nice to have a summary. I can imagine that there'll be some controversy, though. How does Alice relate to Marisa (friend/chewtoy)? Mystia to Yuyuko (playmate/food)? Actually, it could be interesting to have vastly different descriptions at either end of the same relation... --Deciare 20:42, 27 May 2005 (PDT)
Ack, border colour == header colour is too light with this site's colour scheme. Hurts my eyes. --Deciare 20:52, 27 May 2005 (PDT)
Ah, I wasn't annoyed in the last comment, I was just making an excuse for my checkin in a non-emotional way. Hmm, is there such a emotion as non-emotion? Anyway, what I meant by "no internal borders on the right side" was that we would still have the dark borders on the outer edge of the table, and one dark border going straight down the middle, between the headers and content. --Leviathean 21:16, 27 May 2005 (PDT)
Looking good. The newlines at the start of each row improve readability a lot. I wonder what'll happen if we have multiple sections like "Description", each containing blank lines within the same table cell? Since the line breaks at the start and end of each cell are extra wide, I don't think it'll be a major problem. (Some preliminary testing shows that it isn't a problem.)
I just noticed that the font looks too tiny in a maximised window. Can we go back to 95%? --Deciare 21:48, 27 May 2005 (PDT)
Yes, 95% is fine. Though it makes me wonder what kind of super monitor/resolution you're running this on. If stuff like this and Mokou's profile is hard to read, then wouldn't a lot of the internet be hard to read in those same conditions?
Also, the "Relations" section of the profiles in the Unofficial Guide only list the really obvious relations, and not one-time things like Yuyuko/Mystia or Marisa/Flandre... --Leviathean 22:28, 27 May 2005 (PDT)
1280x1024 on a 17" LCD, but certain aspects of my setup require me to sit a fair distance away from the monitor. The 90% font size wasn't unreadable, but I had to strain a little bit (wow, I'm that lazy). Most of my standard UI fonts are in the 9pt-10pt range, and my browser fonts are 12pt, so I'm not used to smaller text.
Regarding Relations, I'm fine either way, with or without them. If you think they're too much work for too little return, I'd probably agree. --Deciare 22:45, 27 May 2005 (PDT)
Adding the extra sections to see what it would look like. It probably is a little lengthy now, eh? I wouldn't mind keeping the summary of Relations, but Themes and Titles are probably too much work? --Leviathean 08:36, 28 May 2005 (PDT)
Yes, the complete listing does look a little overwhelming. Similar titles can be compressed into the same line—and their sources removed?—to save space, but there's no way to do that for themes. It is interesting information, but we're already keeping song titles and their translations on separate pages... It'll increase the work that needs to be done if even more pages have to be updated whenever there's a new/better translation (music pages, script translation pages, and character profiles).
Edit: But there's no problem if we keep the Japanese titles for themes? I don't know, it seems inconsistent. --Deciare 08:50, 28 May 2005 (PDT)
Well, it's probably for the best if we leave out Relations, Titles, and Themes. Not everyone has them, in the first place, and you make a good point that it'll increase the amount of pages to change if there is a better translation. However, if we want to add any other sections, now's the time to do so before we start using this... I can't think of anything else useful though. Maybe we can go ahead? --Leviathean 09:43, 28 May 2005 (PDT)


With consideration to how interesting/useful different types of information are likely to be, and how troublesome it would be to find that same information elsewhere...
Relations should be kept. They're easy to maintain if only obvious relations are listed, and translations of character names are unlikely to change; even if they do, the wiki auto-redirects old links to the new locations. Relations helpful as summary items for new readers who aren't ready to dive into the deeply interrelated and sometimes inconsistent character profiles.
Titles and Themes aren't quite as useful and need more work to maintain, so they can be dropped.
What happened to the character images? All the Th08*01.png images, and some others, are 403 Forbidden.
--Deciare 13:28, 28 May 2005 (PDT)


I don't know what happened to the images, but it seems to be a wiki-wide issue at the moment. Every single uploaded image seems to be 403ed. Anyway, I think that we are now in agreement for the format. Any other changes are just stylistic changes.
--Leviathean 17:05, 28 May 2005 (PDT)
In terms of Titles and Themes, although it may be difficult to maintain a Title or Theme section for each character page, might it work to at least have a link from the infobox to an appropriate page with that information? I noticed that we already have Character Titles; would it not work to add a link to that? Something like: "Titles: See Character Titles", for characters that have titles, and "Titles: None" for those that don't. It could be easily implemented with ParserFunctions to choose which to display. If the Character Titles page was reorganized, so that each person had their own heading, we could make them link directly. I was thinking the same could be applied to theme songs, although there is no similar page at the moment regarding that. At the very least, there could be links to the appropriate Music pages. What do you guys think? --Amakase 02:15, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Image rollover request[edit]

For games like PoDD and PoFV, is it possible for the person who did the templates add a way that when we hover our mouse over the character image, it changes to a different one? Or would it break every other template on the characters? MaronaPossessed 19:39, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

*pointingOnmouseoverOnmouseout* well there is a code, but too many images to do IE: Reimu? - KyoriAsh 21:42, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
For now I'm doing PoDD then after PoFV. I tried putting in the CSS code in the profile but that doesn't work.MaronaPossessed 23:17, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Removing Age section[edit]

Earlier in #touhouwiki:

<Darkslime> someone with privileges please get rid of the "age" section in the character info box
<~Momiji> oO
<~Momiji> "age"?
<Darkslime> we talked about it earlier
<Darkslime> it's not necessary at all
<Darkslime> since there are no ages
<Darkslime> stated
<Darkslime> ever
<Darkslime> and all we can give is "uhh.... let's just say, over a thousand years old"
<~Momiji> b-but
<Darkslime> "lived for a really long time"
<~Momiji> what about the vampires?
<Darkslime> "immortal"
<Darkslime> those are the exception, not the rule
<~Momiji> hmmm
<~Momiji> well i don't mind

I support this removal. Discuss. —Nereid talk 10:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, a more conservative change would be perhaps to make the Age parameter optional, because it says just Unknown for many characters currently. The matter of actually removing it would then be decided on a page-by-page basis. I'd personally still rather remove it entirely, moving the information elsewhere in the page. —Nereid talk 10:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
For every Eirin, Yuuka, or Yukari who is vaguely ancient, there are enough characters whose age is stated, given an "at least", or may be sufficiently deduced as being close to or around some age. Tewi, the vampires, the heroines, Yumemi, Renko & Maribel, and Byakuren, for example. However, there's nothing preventing any of this from being placed elsewhere in their page, true. UTW 10:37, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Why don't we just make the following optimal, like the 'Alternate spellings' one: Species, Abilities, Age, Occupation, Location, and Relationships. That may save some problems... Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 15:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Time for change ?[edit]

Our character articles look like crap, so... how about we change that ? For one, the character infoboxes are ridiculously huge. I think they could be changed to look more like wikipedia's character infoboxes. Of course, the character descriptions and appearances wouldn't fit into it. (IMO, that info could be merged and made into a separate section in the character pages)
Another gripe I have with our current layout are the TvTropes-style bulleted lists of random facts. I would absolutely love to see them gone, and I'm pretty sure that nobody likes them. In short, I would like to have our character articles looking close to this. Master Bigode 23:50, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not that opposed, but I don't think it's that bad. Implementing standard infoboxes site wide would be more than welcome, but the bulleted lists work because they're not really thoughts that flow and tie into one another, if you get what I'm saying. The bulleted lists are generally concise and to the point for each item and turning them into meandering paragraphs would just make a mess. And if you're suggesting getting rid of the facts and trivia totally, I think most would disagree, especially now that they're sorted and in order compared to how it was before. But I'm with you on infoboxes that aren't such space wasters. Maybe I'll even get to work on making one. UTW 11:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
So I made one. I was going to do one from scratch, but quickly found I didn't have the knowledge required. I already know the code is crap. It's not even doing everything I want it to, but it's not meant to be final anyway. With all due respect to TTEchidna, I used some of his ideas, like the rotating titles. I didn't want to change much, making sure to keep the color we already have, while matching the mainpage with the rounded corners. UTW 14:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
What about Quwanti's template? Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 15:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Somehow, I don't like this. Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 17:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


Infobox seems cool. Some of the information like "race" and "location" and other simple-short fields will be placed in the infobox, while other more lengthy information like relationships would go into a section on their own and possibly expanded on to give a broader understanding of the relationship between the various characters rather than a one-liner as it is right now.
Some the trivia and random facts are still related to the official series I believe. --Tsukihime 15:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
A smaller infobox would be great, but the only problem would be (I think) the list of appearances. For characters with two or three wouldn't be a problem, but like Reimu and Marisa has a real long list of appearances so the infobox would be too much stretched out. ~ Quwanti 19:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Mmmm interesting. Why don't you just put them as "show appearances" link-type thingy. Do this for others such as the description and the themes. Useful suggestion? ;) If that can work out, than it might be better than your other template ideas (I think). Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 20:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Template update![edit]

When is someone going to give Quwanti permission to add one of his templates on to this page? Just look at various location pages and various pages about people such as ZUN and alphes, they seem to go OK with the templates they got so why isn't it same for the character template and the characters? I don't really know why this page is protected in the first place only cause of one or two vandalising this page in the past and beyond... Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 20:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Delete[edit]

Should this be deleted or is it staying due to the use of the template on lots of user pages? ☢ Quwanti 16:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I suggest delete, because it will make users think "OMG! Where's it gone!! *searchers from a character page and finds Template:Infobox Character*. God, that's better :)"... It will make them change to the new template lol, and whoever doesn't, we can tell who's not active, so forget about the non-active uses lol... Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 16:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Look before decide to delete - KyoriAsh 21:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
I did, that is why I was asking about the future of this template. ☢ Quwanti 01:22, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Can the documentary be replaced with a message that the template is outdated? I cant do that because the page (also the documentary) is protected. ☢ Quwanti 17:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
That's why I hate cascade protection... - KyoriAsh 19:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)